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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 14 Nov 2023

Vol. 1045 No. 4

Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Last Friday, the CEO of the HSE directed a severe escalation in the recruitment embargo caused by this Government’s mismanagement of the health budget. Job offers were withdrawn and recruitment has been halted for thousands of vital front-line posts. More than 7,000 essential posts have now been scrapped. The disastrous consequences of this Government's decision to deliberately underfund the health services for next year become clearer by the day and by the week. In his memo last week, the HSE CEO, Bernard Gloster, wrote, "I know this will create difficulties for many of you", as the health service "faces an enormous increase in demand". On budget week, he wrote to the Minister for Health outlining that "circa three quarters of the deficit cannot be achieved by way of reduction without significant and punitive risks to the public".

Yesterday, the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation recorded 595 patients on hospital trolleys. As we head into what we all want to avoid but what I think is unavoidable, namely, an extremely difficult winter in our health services, the Government in that context has decided to deliberately underfund the health service. In plain terms, it means no more experienced nurses and healthcare assistants can be hired, despite hundreds of patients on trolleys and hundreds of thousands of people on waiting lists. It means no more psychologists for child and adolescent mental health services, CAMHS, even though the number of children on waiting lists has doubled under the Government’s watch. It means no more home care workers, even though 5,000 older people are waiting for home support; no more therapists for specialist discharge teams; and no more radiographers or clerical staff for radiology departments, despite nearly 250,000 people waiting for a diagnostic scan. It means no more porters, hygienists or cleaners to keep patients safe from infections, and no more investment in community care to deliver early intervention, chronic disease management or local rehabilitation services. The Minister, Deputy Harris, knows, as I do, that without all those supports, people will not get the right care in the right place at the right time. That is not to mention the extreme reputational damage this recruitment freeze has caused for the health service. The only exemptions here are approved consultant posts, a small number of doctor training posts and nurses and midwives who are graduating this year.

What about all the Irish nurses who are working abroad, whom we want to come home and some of whom want to come home? What about all the other healthcare professionals who are graduating this year? What message has the Government sent them? I will tell the Minister. It has told them to leave, if they are thinking about it; and that if they have left, we do not want them and they can stay where they are. It has said to Australia, Canada, Britain and New Zealand to come and take our healthcare graduates. What message does that send at a time of great crisis in the health service, when hundreds of patients are on hospital trolleys every single day and hundreds of thousands of people cannot get access to basic care? The Minister promised that children with scoliosis would be seen within four months - another broken promise from the Minister and this Government - but they have been left without any clarity on when they will get the life-changing care they deserve. It was quite obvious from the budget that the Government has thrown in the towel on health. It has condemned tens of thousands of patients and staff to extreme risk in hospitals this winter.

Will the Government wake up, see sense and undo its disastrous decision to underfund the health service? Will it immediately revise the health budget for the rest of this year and 2024? Will it reverse the recruitment embargo and the scrapping of essential front-line posts that will do enormous damage to patients?

I thank Deputy Cullinane for raising the important issue of how we ensure we continue to grow our health service by hiring more nurses and doctors and people to work at the front line. It is important when talking about the health service and recruitment levels that we bring a bit of context and honesty to the discussion. The first thing to say is that as of September, there were 143,075 staff working in the health service, an increase of 5,330 this year to date. Sometimes when you hear Sinn Féin and others, you get the impression that we are contracting or reducing the size of the health service. Some 5,330 more people are working in the health service this year, so far, compared with last year. There are 23,263 more people working in the health service since the beginning of 2020, just before this Government came into office. Included in that are 6,808 more nurses and midwives; 3,388 more health and social care professionals, including therapists; and 2,633 more doctors and dentists. The last three years - 2020, 2021 and 2022 - saw the largest-ever increase in the workforce of the HSE since its foundation. We need a little bit of context. Similarly, in the budget only a month ago, the Minister for Health secured funding to further grow the size of the health service workforce in 2024. He has funding to increase the number of people working in the Irish health service by 2,268 next year as well. Deputy Cullinane is right when he says that on 10 November, the HSE's CEO issued a pause on recruitment. There are a number of exemptions, some of which Deputy Cullinane glossed over, for example in relation to consultants, graduate nurses, midwives and doctors in formal training programmes.

I did not gloss over it at all.

The Minister for Health is supportive of this because there needs to be some link between the budget we allocate in this House and what happens in relation to a public service. The reality is that the HSE is now on course to exceed the 2023 funded workforce target. To be clear, this is for 2023. Budget 2024 will come in on 1 January, which is weeks away. In 2024, the Minister for Health will have more money for the HSE to hire more nurses and doctors in addition to the exemptions already secured. Honesty is important in politics and the health service. I have two documents. One is the budget book. On pages 104 and 105, the Government outlined its allocation of funding for the health service for 2024 of €2 billion, broken down between core funding, non-core funding and capital. I also have the Sinn Féin alternative budget for health 2024. Deputy Cullinane will be glad to know I read it. Presumably, what Deputy Cullinane would do if he was Minister for Health would be to allocate a budget of €1.5 billion. When he asked me to revise the health budget, was he asking me to cut it by a further €500 million to reflect Sinn Féin's policy plans?

The Minister can raise issues about Sinn Féin all he likes.

He did not include that we would have provided for existing levels of service above that €1.5 billion. First of all, the Minister is wrong, as usual. People do not need bluster. I want the Minister to talk to patients and healthcare professionals, the older person or grandmother lying on a hospital trolley, the person with scoliosis waiting for a procedure or the child waiting for a speech or language or occupational therapy. All will get worse because there is a recruitment freeze. The Minister called it a "pause." Some 7,000 people have had the rug pulled from under them because the posts they were offered have been scrapped because of a decision by the Minister and his colleagues to underfund the health service. What about people working in healthcare services in New Zealand, Australia, Britain and Canada who want to come home? That pause means they cannot come home. He is telling them to stay where they are when we need them most. I ask the Minister again to stop making this about Sinn Féin. He and his Government made the decision. I urge him to reverse the decision to introduce a disastrous recruitment embargo and do what is right for the patients I spoke about and the people who want to come home and work in the public system.

Deputy Cullinane needs to get over himself. I am not making this about Sinn Féin at all. I am making it about the choices Irish people have between this Government versus that government. Those choices are clear.

The Deputy does not have to take my word for it on what the Sinn Féin alternative health budget was. His leader said it on RTÉ on "This Week" on Sunday. Now, do not sue me, but she did say it.

That is additional.

She is hardly wrong.

It does not include the ELS.

Please let the Minister answer.

The Minister is misleading the Dáil.

They tend to shout at you or sue you, so stop. Elections, politics and accountability are about making choices and the people of Ireland will have a choice. They will have a choice of a Government that is continuing to grow the size of the health service. What I say to those patients is very clear. We are offering €2 billion in additional health spending. I ask the Deputy, as somebody who wishes to be the Minister for Health, from somebody who was the Minister for Health, whether it is his position that he can just spend and recruit regardless of budget or does what we or he produces on budget day matter. If it does, it is time to be honest. We are increasing the size of the health service and the budget. We are going to make more progress on patient outcomes in 2024.

The HSE said it is not adequate. Do not take my word for it.

In Gaza, hospitals are turning into morgues. That is the chilling warning from the International Committee of the Red Cross, ICRC. We are hearing increasingly desperate reports from the United Nations, Médecins Sans Frontières, MSF, and other aid workers on the ground telling us hospitals are overwhelmed due to Israel's complete siege on Gaza and the ongoing bombardment with air and artillery strikes. We have seen appalling loss of civilian life on the streets of Gaza, over 11,000 civilians, including 4,000 children. We are seeing unforgivable attacks on hospitals, the loss of life of newborn babies in incubators, older people on life support and oxygen, those on dialysis and women in labour. Our thoughts are with all of those unforgivably and appallingly affected.

Of course, our thoughts are also with Irish citizens caught up in this conflict. Our thoughts are with Irish citizens in Gaza, people like Zak and Batoul Hania, trapped with their children in Gaza, who have spoken so movingly on our media. They lived in Castleknock in Dublin for many years. We are all thinking of Emily Hand and her family since her horrific abduction by Hamas in the brutal attack on civilians on 7 October.

I welcome the Taoiseach's confirmation that the Government has ongoing engagement with Cairo and Tel Aviv. He confirmed that to me last week in the House. I know the Government is seeking the urgent release of all those with connections to Ireland. It is of utmost importance that those efforts continue and we all support that. However, to date those efforts have not been enough. Irish citizens remain trapped in Gaza. We are all utterly despondent at what is happening with the continued holding of hostages by Hamas and Israel's ongoing bombardment. We are also distressed at the spillover of violence into the West Bank and neighbouring countries.

That is why it has been so welcome to see the Government calling for an immediate ceasefire. All of us in opposition share this view because in this country we know all too well that talking and a political resolution cannot start until the bullets stop and we have a ceasefire. To date, the exhortations to the Israeli Government to stop the killing and to stop breaching international law appear to have been in vain. It would appear that in the Israeli administration and Netanyahu government there is no willingness to listen, even to intimations from the US administration that Israel has crossed a line for it. Clearly, further action needs to be taken by all of us.

We are increasingly seeing other countries severing diplomatic relations with Israel over its heinous breaches of international law and the genocidal actions we are seeing with the carpet bombing of Gaza. South Africa and Bolivia have ended relations with Israel. Many more countries, including Colombia and Chile, have recalled ambassadors and embassy staff. This week, several Opposition motions before the Oireachtas propose using the diplomatic tools available to us, just as Ireland did with apartheid South Africa. It is incumbent on the Government to reflect on how Ireland should proceed and whether the Israeli ambassador's position remains tenable in light of the rising death toll in Gaza and the evidence we are hearing from aid workers and others. Will the Government support an escalation of our diplomatic protest against the actions of the Israeli Government by removing diplomatic status from the ambassador and ensuring breaches of international law by Israel and Hamas are investigated and prosecuted by the International Criminal Court, ICC?

I thank Deputy Bacik for raising the most serious and important of issues of our time in our world today. Even if we do not agree on the path to take, I thank her and many in opposition for their constructive engagement with Government. I too am proud that we are in a Parliament and country that was among the first in Europe and the world to call for a humanitarian ceasefire.

I am proud that we took the vote that we took at the UN. I am proud of the positions of our Taoiseach and Tánaiste. I am delighted that our Tánaiste will travel this evening to Egypt, Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory, continuing the diplomatic work that has called for peace, a ceasefire and, crucially, as the Deputy stated, the protection of Irish citizens trapped in Gaza.

Like the Deputy, I am thinking of Tom Hand and his family, including young Emily, who is likely to turn nine years of age on Friday while in captivity. I am sure that many of us held our children tighter last night when we saw the emotional scene of Tom Hand pleading for his daughter to be released.

There is absolutely no doubt that what Hamas did was despicable. We have all condemned it because it deserves condemnation. It was an act of terror on the people of Israel and should be condemned. Of course, Israel had a right to defend itself, but that original right has now become, in my view, a war on children. You cannot build peace on the mass graves of children. It is unfortunate that a country has become blinded by rage.

The Deputy and I differ in our views on the ambassador. Diplomacy is not the equivalent of endorsement, as the Deputy knows, and we do not just talk to those with whom we agree. All too often, it is more important to talk to those with whom we disagree. When we discuss Israel and its ambassador, we must be conscious that there are approximately 400 Irish troops on peacekeeping missions in the region. We must be conscious of the fact, as I know the Deputy is, that there are approximately 40 Irish citizens trapped in Gaza. We must be conscious of the fact that there is an Irish-Israeli girl being held hostage by Hamas. We need to keep talking. If we expelled the Israeli ambassador, Israel would expel our ambassador there, which would make us less productive in the work we have to do.

Regarding the International Criminal Court, the Government has been clear that all sides must be held accountable for the actions they commit. I am pleased that the International Criminal Court has confirmed that an active investigation into the situation in Palestine has been open since 2021. On the Tánaiste’s recommendation, the Government has today decided to make an additional financial allocation to the International Criminal Court specifically in the context of the ongoing investigation into the situation in Palestine and Gaza. This is a practical measure that the Government can take, and which the Deputy will welcome, to help the International Criminal Court. The court has confirmed that there is an active investigation and we want to ensure that the court is supported and resourced in its work.

I thank the Minister for his response and I welcome the announcement of Ireland’s renewed support for the International Criminal Court, but this is a war on children and it requires a firm and clear response from the Government. While we need to continue all forms of constructive engagement to secure the release of Emily Hand and the 40 Irish citizens who are trapped and effectively being held hostage by the Israeli Government in Gaza, we must also continue to call out and condemn the breaches of international law by Netanyahu’s Government.

At the weekend, I was glad to join with other social democratic party leaders at the Party of European Socialists’s annual congress. While there, I made strong representations on the need for a united call from across Europe for an immediate ceasefire. Many of those in attendance emphasised the importance of Ireland’s leadership on this issue, both from the Government and the Opposition, because as a neutral country with a strong record on international peacekeeping missions and with our own history of conflict resolution on this island, we have a responsibility that is not to be taken lightly. It is important that our Government and Ireland show strong leadership in pushing further for Israel to stop its barbaric action in Gaza, put an end to this war on children and the horrific death toll that is rising daily in Gaza, and listen to the calls of aid workers, medics and others for the bullets to stop and a ceasefire to be put in place. I appeal to the Minister to use every lever at the Government’s disposal, including that of diplomatic relations, to ensure that this war on children is ended.

Objectively, the Government, the Oireachtas and the country have, to use the Deputy’s words, been firm and clear on this issue. In many ways, Ireland’s position is becoming the position of more countries. There is a growing coalition of countries calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. When other countries chose to abstain at the UN, Ireland did not. It is fair to say that Ireland has had a clear and consistent position, one that has been articulated by the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste, the Government and many in opposition.

The most practical thing we can do – I am not playing politics with this and do not mean this dismissively – is, rather than pass more motions in this House, to have our Minister for Foreign Affairs and Tánaiste to go tonight to the region, including Egypt, Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, to advocate for our citizens and to advocate for peace. We do not intend to cancel or call off diplomatic relations with Israel because we believe that would mean cutting off communication channels. However, we do intend to ensure people are held accountable for their actions, to support the work of the International Criminal Court, to add money to it and continue our advocacy for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, the release of all hostages and the safe return of Irish citizens.

Last week saw the conviction of Jozef Puska for the murder of Ashling Murphy. This horrific murder shocked the nation and our deepest sympathies and solidarity are with the Murphy family.

It is quite clear that we have reached a dangerous tipping point in terms of crime and antisocial behaviour in towns and villages across the country. In recent years under the Government, Ireland has become a more violent and dangerous place. The rates of rape and sexual assault have doubled in the past ten years and the murder rate is soaring. Thefts from people and vehicle theft have significantly increased, assaults and the obstruction of gardaí have increased, human trafficking has increased and harassment and stalking have increased. The spike in violent crime in towns has not happened by accident. One reason for this is that Garda numbers are at their lowest in five years. The number of rank-and-file gardaí is the lowest in six years. Right now, Ireland has one of the smallest police forces per capita in the whole EU. New data released to Aontú just this week by the Minister for Justice show that, so far this year, only 237 gardaí have been recruited. By comparison, over 600 were recruited in 2019. Four hundred and thirty-four gardaí retired so far this year, which again represents a significant increase on the number in 2019. Garda resignations are also increasing significantly. A garda told me that of the 25 people who left the force in October,13 resigned. This is startling. Resignations comprised the main cause of exit from the force last year. Gardaí are voting with their feet and leaving well before their retirement dates. It is incredible that, despite all the Government has said, the photo opportunities and images of the Minister for Justice walking the streets of Dublin with gardaí, the Garda force in this State is still shrinking. The bottom line is that under the Government, more gardaí are leaving the force than joining. Is it any wonder that the data given to me by the Minister last week show that, every day in Ireland, at least one Garda has been violently assaulted? So far this year, 339 gardaí have been assaulted while on active duty. So far this year, 35 gardaí have been off sick due to poor mental health, with 300 in total over the past six years.

The fall in the number of gardaí has exposed the remaining gardaí further to violent attacks and has made them more vulnerable. There is no doubt but that there is a direct correlation between the spike in violent crime in communities throughout the country and the collapse in Garda numbers. The collapse in Garda morale, recruitment and numbers under the current Government is leading to more violence in towns and villages throughout the country. I want to know from the Minister what material steps the Government is taking to stem the collapse in Garda numbers and morale.

I thank Deputy Tóibín. Let me begin where he did, by remembering Ashling Murphy’s family. I have had the honour of meeting on a few occasions Ray, Kathleen, Amy, Cathal and Ryan. It is fair to say that Ashling Murphy’s murder stopped all of us in our tracks. She was a young woman out for a walk or run by a canal and was brutally murdered. We all think of her family and we are all pleased to see justice served. The family remains in our thoughts. We are very fortunate to have in this country a Minister for Justice who has prioritised domestic, sexual and gender-based violence. In the short time available, I will not be able to go through all the work she has done in this area; however, her establishment of a new agency to lead and co-ordinate the implementation of our zero-tolerance strategy will in time be seen as very significant, along with significant legislative reform to ensure we genuinely take a zero-tolerance approach to domestic, sexual and gender-based violence.

Garda recruitment is an absolute priority for the Minister, Deputy McEntee, and the Government. The Government is very much committed to building stronger safer communities and strengthening Garda numbers. The Deputy, I and everybody else knows that recruitment in the Garda College was seriously disrupted by the Covid pandemic. That is not just blaming Covid; it is a statement of fact. The college had to close, not once but twice, and the pipeline of gardaí that would have come through at the time was seriously disrupted. Since then, we have seen a very high level of interest in our recruitment campaigns. The Minister has been very clear that nothing is off the table when it comes to ways to improve recruitment and retention, including looking at the retirement age, her important decision to increase the entry age - I always thought it was slightly offensive that someone could not become a garda beyond the age of 35 - and considering other issues as well. As of last month, there were about 14,000 Garda members across the country. This represents an increase of approximately 9% since 2015, when there were only 12,860 Garda members.

The Deputy is right to highlight the issue of garda safety. I am very pleased that the Houses will be passing legislation to ensure that members of An Garda Síochána can have bodycams. It seems bizarre that the only person at a protest - or worse - who does not have a camera at the moment is often a member of An Garda Síochána. They get cameras pointed in their faces, but they do not have cameras themselves. That reforming legislation by the Minister will be very significant and helpful.

I am pleased that we are seeing garda recruitment ramp up again. Numbers in Templemore are increasing, with attestations - graduations effectively - taking place every three months. We saw 135 new trainees enter the college in February, 154 in May, 174 in July and a further 177 entered the college last month. That was the largest increase since the advent of Covid. This means that nearly 500 trainees are now in the system and another class is due to start in Templemore in December. A total of 237 new gardaí have attested. We are on track to have between 700 and 800 new recruits in the college in 2023, with a funded recruitment programme for 2024.

According to the Minister's response in the past week, Garda recruitment and is at one third of what was pre Covid. The Minister opposite should not use the figures from the pandemic as his baseline to show so-called improvements. He just admitted that Covid distorted the figures significantly. The other point is that for every year the Minister for Justice has been in office, the number of gardaí has fallen. That is an incredible record.

The Minister referred to issues relating to garda bodycams. Cameras do not and cannot make up for having sufficient Garda personnel. The direct link between the number of gardaí and people's behaviour is significant. That cab be seen in the context of what is happening on the roads. A reply to a parliamentary question I tabled to the Minister for Justice showed that there has been a 36% reduction in the number of gardaí policing the roads in recent years. That is an incredible fall in the number of gardaí minding the roads. At the same time, there has been a significant increase in the number of deaths on the roads. It stands to reason that if people feel they will not come across a Garda checkpoint or meet a garda on the road, unfortunately, their behaviour changes. As a result, we have seen an increased number of crashes on the roads. There is a link between recruitment of gardaí and life-and-death situations in this country. The Government is not making a material difference in respect of that issue at present. When will it start to recruit more gardaí, protect the welfare of gardaí and make sure that the terms, conditions and wages of gardaí are at a level whereby we will be able to recruit young people into force?

I have already outlined very clearly to the House that the Government is already taking action to do exactly what the Deputy is suggesting, namely, increasing Garda numbers. That can be seen in the steps the Minister for Justice has taken. What I said about Covid is a statement of fact. The Garda College closed at least twice, which caused disruption. The Garda college is now back open. Last month alone, we saw the highest number of trainees.

The number of resignations and retirements is greater than that of recruitments.

As the Minister has said, it will take time to catch up as a result of Covid, but catching up we are. This year will see between 700 and 800 new recruits go into the Garda College. The Deputy asked what we will do to protect the welfare, well-being and terms and conditions of gardaí. This week, the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform will invite public sector unions and others to public sector pay talks. If we can achieve an outcome on that, it will benefit members of An Garda Síochána.

We have already passed legislation on bodycams. We have passed legislation to increase the maximum sentence for assaulting a garda. These were sought by the Garda representative bodies. The Minister for Justice has an incredible record including introducing stalking legislation, setting up a new domestic, sexual and gender-based violence agency, a zero-tolerance plan, bodycams-----

Without enforcement.

-----and the largest Garda budget ever. These are the practical actions we are taking to build stronger, safer communities in Ireland.

Over recent weeks we have seen various Ministers, including the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment, our Taoiseach and our Tánaiste in different parts of the country where there has been serious flooding, where people have lost their businesses or are in deep trouble and where householders have been flooded out of it, never to get insurance again. We have seen this in Midleton, Wexford and Louth and saw it in Galway yesterday. I saw the Chief Whip in Galway yesterday - unfortunately, with people crying over what was happening. We have also seen that in Lough Funshinagh, County Roscommon, the pumps are on once again and the people are very nervous.

I will be very clear on this. I welcome the announcement by the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment and the Government of the increased funding of €70,000 and the help being given. I also welcome what the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, said in the announcement he made last week about the River Shannon Callows. I hope he brings that out to the Little Brosna and the River Suck as well.

These are the facts, however. The Minister talked about honesty earlier, and I will speak honestly to him. In 2015, for the people in Lough Funshinagh, the flood started to come up. One house has been knocked already. That happened eight years ago exactly, heading to nine. The pumps are there today, and by February or March, if the rain amounts continue as is, they will be in trouble and more houses will be lost. The slatted sheds are full of water already.

I heard the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan, yesterday. To be fair to all Ministers, their hands are in chains with the amount of legislation around them. That is being honest about it. When the Minister, Deputy Ryan, wanted to bring in emergency legislation here relating to the jet engines when we were in danger of running out of power, he was able to do so fairly rapidly and we were able to get it through fairly quickly to make sure our country would have power. Unfortunately, people do not seem to matter as much because we are not able to bring in similar legislation now. With the former legislation, environmental impact assessments, EIAs, appropriate assessments and all the palaver of the habitats directive could be set aside because it was an emergency. The definition of an emergency under the EU habitats directive is a big problem. It should be borne in mind that Lough Funshinagh is in trouble. There are two pumps and another to come tomorrow. The slatted sheds are gone already, and this is early in the year. Generally, it is March or April. I am fully aware of the situation of the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan. We need heavy hitters to go to Europe. We need to get the definition of an emergency. Is someone who will lose his or her house in March not an emergency? When the works are done to 200 m in Roscommon rather than nine years trying to get works done-----

Thank you, Deputy. We will come back to you.

The people right around this country-----

Please, Deputy.

-----need honesty because that is nine years on the go. Tell that to the people in Midleton and other places.

I thank Deputy Fitzmaurice for raising this issue. I have never known him to be anything other than honest in representing his constituents, his people and his area. I will begin where he did by acknowledging that it has been an extraordinarily difficult time as regards flooding right across our country. He referred to some of the places affected: Midleton and other parts of Cork, Wexford, Louth, Newry - this has been an all-island problem - and, yesterday, Galway. I saw my colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy Naughton, in Clarinbridge. I watched a man cry on the news last night as he watched his business be devastated.

I very much appreciate Deputy Fitzmaurice's welcome for the supports put in place by my colleagues, including the humanitarian assistance fund opened immediately by the Minister, Deputy Humphreys, to get payments to people as well as the Minister, Deputy Coveney, today coming yet again to the Government to open an enhanced emergency business flooding scheme that can provide up to €100,000 on the back of a full assessment.

I also note the Deputy referred to the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, and the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan. People are acting as quickly as they possibly can, and there are other ways we will need to come at this. We will need a new national adaptation plan and a number of flood relief schemes to be accelerated, and the Government is fully committed to that. We have seen three storms in a month. If that does not give us an indication of the type of winter we are looking at, and indeed the climate change we are seeing in the world, I am not sure what will.

Deputy Fitzmaurice specifically raised Lough Funshinagh, and I know he has been talking to our colleague, the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan, with regard to this. I am certainly not going to outline the history of this matter to the Deputy as he knows it very well and better than anybody, but for the benefit of this House, I know that this is going on eight years. I know that in 2021, the CEO of Roscommon County Council took action and wrote to the OPW and said he was going to exercise his powers under the Local Authorities (Works) Act 1949 to undertake urgent works at the lough. I believe he said he was going to put in place 3 km overflow pipe to the River Shannon. The Government agreed to that request from the CEO in the summer of 2021 and, indeed, we provided €1.7 million in assistance. Deputy Fitzmaurice knows the rest because, unfortunately, about 60% of the total length of the pipe was laid by the end of 2021 and then a High Court judicial review challenge was taken against Roscommon County Council and it stopped works on the site. That is the factual position.

Since then, last December, I know that Roscommon County Council and the OPW agreed to establish the expert working group to try to find a way forward and another pathway to come up with a viable solution. I know that the membership of that group included many different agencies and cross departmental representation, and they have been charged with scoping out the requirements to commission and undertake surveys and investigations to get this issue resolved. My understanding is that the steering group is led by council but the OPW is on it and is overseeing the work to identify a viable solution to manage the flooding risk at Lough Funshinagh. The steering group has been meeting throughout the year and my understanding is that it is due to meet again this week to discuss progression of the necessary investigations and timelines to get to implementation.

In light of the comments made by Deputy Fitzmaurice and the questions he has asked in respect of European legislation and the risk to life and land, let me take that back to my colleagues and we will revert to the Deputy directly on the matter.

The Minister is correct in everything he has said. I am not having a go at the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan. I am talking about legislation. The Minister mentioned the people of Lough Funshinagh. There is a steering group for those people. This steering group looks like it is going to sit for another three or four years with the way it is going. The water is coming. You cannot stop the water. The problem is the habitats directive and the way it is being enforced here or the way Europe is pushing it and enforcing it on us, with EIAs, appropriate assessments and all of that. When the Government was afraid of the country running out of power, it decided it was able to surpass that by not having to do EIAs and appropriate assessments by using power the Government has. Will somebody in government, please, for the sake of the people in Midleton, Lough Funshinagh, in Galway, in Louth or in any part of the country, give an undertaking to go to Europe and explain we need a new definition of "emergency"? If the water is coming, we need to get these jobs done urgently, and while we welcome the funding given by all of the different Ministers, that is basically a stopgap and it will not stop the water coming next year or the year after.

In fairness to the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan, the money is there but he is being brought to court and being blocked in every way you can be blocked. We have to put a stop to what is going on. A total of 200 m, approximately, of a pipe is left in County Roscommon which would save the homes and the farms of those people and it is at a standstill. You would dig it with a digger in a day, but because of what I would call legislation gone wrong, these works are being blocked. Roscommon County Council cannot stir. Will the Minister give the undertaking that his Government will do it, not next year, but now?

I thank Deputy Fitzmaurice for his contribution. In fairness to Government and everyone else, including Roscommon County Council, there was a view at the end of 2021 that a solution had been identified. Funding was provided and a huge amount of work went into getting to that point, including technical work between the local authority, the OPW, the funding application and the funding provided by Government. Then we hit, let us call it, a roadblock, which was a finding in our courts that sent everybody back to the drawing board.

I take the point the Deputy is making in terms of the urgency and his fear and, presumably and more particularly, that of his constituents that this could go on and on, when it will be that the steering group will actually come up with a viable solution and how quickly we can get on with it. I know it is meeting again this week.

I will undertake to have the Minister of State, Deputy O'Donovan, refer to the Deputy directly on that meeting, the next steps and on some of the issues asked about by the Deputy. He asked if there was an issue of law and a need for legislative change. I will take that question away as well. I take the point on urgency because we have seen really good results in areas in which we have put flood reliefs. I was a Minister with responsibility for the OPW once and I remember Bandon and Skibbereen flooding. There has been real progress made where flood relief schemes have been put in place and I can only imagine this adds to the frustration in communities still waiting today. We will come back to the Deputy on this directly.

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