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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 21 Nov 2023

Vol. 1046 No. 1

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

Early Childhood Care and Education

There is a crisis in areas like Finglas and Ballymun with regard to the availability of places in preschools and crèches. Finglas has expanded greatly over recent years but no thought appears to have been given to a corresponding expansion in the number of crèche and preschool places. Preschools and crèches face significant challenge in trying to meet the needs of services like Brandon House, Tusla, the CDNT in Finglas and Ballymun public health nursing. Setting up a preschool is a complex process involving a long planning process and getting required fire and disability access certifications. There are also significant costs relating to architects' fees, planning fees, building works for fire certification and so on. No funding or supports are given for these costs.

There is also a lack of recognition for the skills and qualifications of those who work in preschools. Preschools are no different from primary and secondary schools in that they are educational facilities with highly educated and professional workforces. This lack of recognition for these professionals is reflected in the clear disparity in wage structures between those who work in preschools and those who work in primary schools. Preschool teachers are paid €20,000 less than their primary school counterparts. There is also no pay for non-contact time or consideration for summertime pay for preschool teachers. This inequity in pay needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency.

Preschools provide an invaluable service to our communities by supporting children with complex needs and those living in homeless accommodation hubs. It is increasingly difficult to place vulnerable children who need the types of supports a preschool provides because there are just no places available for them. Local children's disability network teams are constantly asking for preschools to take more children with additional needs and preschools are expected to take these children with no additional supports. These vulnerable children need a supportive and healthy environment. It is crucial for their development.

How preschools are funded is a problem. Core funding is based on the number of children, with this figure capped at 22 children per class, and preschools are only funded for 38 weeks of the year. This impacts on both the schools and the children as there is no funding for essential maintenance, equipment or even school trips. There is no funding for any of the school breaks at Christmas, Easter or summer. AIM level 7 support pays €240 a week for three hours daily, five days a week, 38 weeks per annum. Support is capped at two extra assistants per class regardless of the number of children with needs. To give a local example, there is a preschool in my constituency that has so many children with additional needs they have to share the teaching assistants provided under the scheme. The school is forced into the position of having to reduce hours for children with special needs, which is detrimental to those children's well-being and development. Preschools are also having a real problem finding teachers because they can only recruit those with an ECCE degree. Those with other qualifications appropriate to special needs assistant are excluded from the recruitment process.

Teachers who are working in preschools have to shoulder an enormous workload, which is proving to be very stressful for all concerned. Because of all these challenges and the difficulty in recruiting teachers with ECCE degrees for the limited number of hours they can be contracted to work for, the reality is that positions in these schools are not being filled and can lie vacant for some time. Preschools are an important component in the development of children, especially those who have special needs or who come from socially or economically deprived areas.

Táim ag tógáil na díospóireachta seo thar ceann an Aire, an Teachta Roderic O'Gorman. I thank Deputy Ellis for raising this issue. As he will know, the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth supports and funds mainstream early learning and childcare. Its underpinning policy and philosophy is one of inclusion and meaningful participation for all children in mainstream early learning and childcare regardless of ability or additional need. There are no dedicated places in mainstream preschool settings for children with special needs. All places are available to all children regardless of need.

The Department provides the access and inclusion model, known as AIM, which the Deputy has referred to. This supports the participation of preschool children with disabilities in the early childhood care and education, ECCE, programme. The key objective of AIM is to support early learning and childcare providers to deliver an inclusive learning experience. It ensures children with a disability can fully participate in the ECCE programme, thereby reaping the benefits of quality preschool education. AIM support is not based on a diagnosis but on the identified needs of the child.

With regard to wider issues of increasing the availability of early learning and childcare places within Ballymun and Finglas, €69 million has been allocated to the Department to the early learning and childcare sector over the period from now until 2025 under the revised national development plan. This will facilitate and enable significant investment in early learning and childcare. Under the scheme, €9 million was allocated this year in grants to assist in reducing costs associated with energy upgrades and retrofit projects. Work is currently under way on the design and delivery of pillars 2 and 3, which will have a combined allocation of €20 million in 2024 and €40 million in 2025. These phases will support increased capacity and innovation. The capacity grant will fund an expansion of existing services in areas of undersupply. Funding will also be provided to support the development of new services where most needed. The Minister, Deputy O’Gorman, hopes to announce details of the building blocks capacity grant later this month.

In addition to the building blocks capital programme, a range of other steps are being taken to address the issues of undersupply of early learning and childcare Deputy Ellis has spoken about. Under the national action plan for childminding, the Minister has committed to opening up access to the national childcare scheme to parents who use childminders following the extension of regulation to childminders, which is expected to happen from next autumn. The Department is also seeing a significant growth in capacity since the introduction of core funding in 2022. The allocation for year 2 of core funding provided €8.47 million for a 3% increase in capacity, and further funding the Minister secured in budget 2024 provides for a further 3% increase in capacity from September 2024 at a cost of €9.27 million.

In partnership with the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage, the Department is also in the process of updating the 2001 planning guidelines for local authorities on early learning and childcare settings. In conjunction with the National Disability Authority and Mary Immaculate College, the Department is also commencing the roll-out of the universal design guidelines implementation project to all stakeholders within the sector. This project will commence in late November and the guidelines will be an important resource for the design and building of early learning and childcare facilities. This update will support better planning and development to ensure the provision of key early learning and childcare services. Finally, I am sure the Deputy is aware of the supports available through the Dublin City Childcare Committee for any specific cases he may know of.

I thank the Minister of State very much. Preschools are education facilities. They are no different from primary and secondary schools. Responsibility for them needs to be moved to the Department of Education and they needed to funded as education facilities with proper salary scales. For these people to be paid €20,000 less than a comparable person working in primary or secondary education is absolutely wrong.

To give the Minister of State some idea of the scale of it, some 141 preschools closed their doors in 2022, and another 42 closed this year up to June.

Preschools must build on their own. They set up without funding or help from the Government. They do not receive funding from parents and they only receive core funding. They face huge costs, including in planning, architect's fees, fireproofing and fire doors. They have no holidays, pensions or even pay during summer breaks. To give an example, the annual salary for a first-year preschool educator is €15,960. That is €14 per hour with 30 hours per week and 38 weeks of work. Compared with that, the annual salary for a first-year primary school educator is €38,637. That is for 35 hours per week and 38 weeks of work. It is no wonder preschool teachers are leaving the service. Ireland is the EU state that provides the lowest funding to early years education. We are haemorrhaging people from the sector because of the salaries. They cannot even get a mortgage because of the type of wages they are getting. It seems unfair and I wish we could look at incorporating this into the Department of Education.

I agree with the Deputy that this is a key and foundational sector of our society. The Government has invested significant resources in it and it is expanding the level of investment in resources and skills. The Government seeks to properly and formally recognise the skills within that sector. We will continue to substantially increase the investment being made. I have gone through the plans for capital supports and the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, is focused on assisting in skills development and in assisting the sector with the kind of costs it has and the cost increases it is being subject to. I will give the suggestion the Deputy has made to the Minister.

Housing Provision

Níl an Teachta i gcomhair na dara Saincheiste Tráthúla anseo mar sin bogaimid chuig an Teachta Ó Cathasaigh to discuss the need for affordable housing in the west Waterford coastal communities of Ardmore and An Rinn.

I am glad I came to the Chamber early as the Minister of State might have been lonely on his own in here. I want to bring the Minister of State to Ardmore in west Waterford. It is the place where Waterford derives the moniker of being the Déise. It is where St. Declan - a native of Drumroe near Cappoquin, just up the road - brought Christianity to Ireland before St. Patrick ever did, and converted the Déise tribe. That is where the name comes from. We have a round tower, which is visible for miles around. It is 98 ft. tall. I think they kept it under 100 ft. for planning permission but I cannot confirm that.

The population of Ardmore in 2020 was 486 and in 2002 it was 459. Over a period of time when Ireland's population grew by some 30%, the population of Ardmore grew by less than 2%. Why is that? It is not because Ardmore is not a beautiful place to live; it is quite the opposite. Ardmore is a victim of its own attractions. The few houses that are coming on the market are simply unaffordable to local people who are trying to start families. Looking at the property price register, some of the prices are eye-watering. Houses on Chapel Row are going for well over €500,000 and some of the properties are approaching seven figures. These are unachievable prices for people who are starting out and that is only for the handful of properties that come onto the market each year. The people in the area, in the school or the GAA club, will say that the children who are arriving are arriving from the surrounding areas but not from the village. That is because there are few families in the village. There are holiday homes, second properties and short-term lets but there are few houses for families that want to return to the village.

There have been positive developments in recent years. In 2020, Ardmore received €168,000 through the water services infrastructure resolution programme. That solved the headroom issue with water supply and we thought we were well under way with that.

Residents' representatives were engaging with an approved housing body to develop affordable housing. That project has since foundered, with the Department saying that the gap between the proposed build costs and affordability thresholds being too big for the Department to fill. I acknowledge that the site we are talking about is challenging but it means we are kicked back to the drawing board. Waterford City and County Council is looking to step into the breach, which is a positive move. Just yesterday it opened expressions of interest for an affordable housing scheme in Ardmore, which remains open until 31 December. I encourage everybody who has an interest to make a submission. I expect a deluge of submissions because there are so many people who want to move back to Ardmore.

The community has been this far down the road before so I am asking what comfort we can give the people that this time we will get this affordable scheme over the line? What are we going to do to give that opportunity to the next generation of people who want to live in Ardmore and who want to start a family? There is a broader question I want to put because I could make the same argument about An Rinn, which is the neighbouring parish; Bunmahon in the mid-county; or Dunmore East over towards the east of the county. These are all places in Waterford where supply is constrained and where market prices are through the roof, precisely because the quality of life that is offered in those towns makes them stand-out options. Are we doing enough in coastal communities in particular, be they in Waterford, Galway or the Minister of State's county of Mayo, to close the affordability gap? Are we doing enough to ensure that the next generation of people who call places like Ardmore, Dunmore East and wherever else home, get the opportunity to raise their families there into the next generation?

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Teachta Ó Cathasaigh as an scéal seo agus as an gceacht stairiúil. Tuigim anois cérbh as na Déise ach cad as don blaa? I am happy to take this on behalf of my colleague, the Minister, Deputy O'Brien, and to update the House on this matter. I note that in line with the Affordable Housing Act 2021, responsibility for the administration of affordable housing schemes rests with the local authority concerned, in this case Waterford City and County Council.

The Housing for All strategy delivers on the programme for Government commitment to step up housing supply and put affordability at the heart of the housing system, with an ambitious target to increase the supply of housing by delivering 300,000 homes for social, affordable and cost rental, private rental and private ownership housing purposes over the nine-year period of the plan. Some 54,000 affordable homes will be delivered between now and 2030, to be facilitated by local authorities, approved housing bodies, the Land Development Agency and through a strategic partnership between the State and retail banks. Funding is being made available by Government to assist local authorities and the approved housing bodies in the delivery of affordable housing, for purchase and rent, through the affordable housing fund, previously known as the serviced sites fund, and through the cost rental equity loan.

The target for Waterford City and County Council for the delivery of affordable housing from 2022 to 2026 is 76 homes. The local authority is on course to exceed this target, having already delivered successful affordable purchase schemes in Deerpark, Waterford city and at Elderwalk, Summerfields and Kilbarry. Further to this, the local authority is developing the first local authority-led cost rental development at Gort na hInse, Ballynaneashagh in Waterford. Waterford City and County Council is actively considering the development of an affordable housing scheme at Ardmore in County Waterford. As referred to by the Deputy, it is assessing the viability of a scheme while also assessing the need for such a scheme in the area. In this regard, and as referred to by the Deputy, Waterford City and County Council has opened and is seeking expressions of interest from the public for an affordable housing scheme in Ardmore. I endorse the Deputy's remark that if members of the public believe they may qualify and if they are interested in declaring an interest provisionally at this point, they should fill in the expressions of interest online survey on the local authority’s website.

I will liaise with the Minister, Deputy O'Brien, on Deputy Ó Cathasaigh's behalf, and will communicate the Deputy's thoughts to him following this evening's debate.

It is critical that people express an interest. Waterford City and County Council has been driving forward the developments the Minister of State referenced and many of them are in the city. They are closer to where I am based rather than in the west of the county. I know there can be a difficulty in making provision for smaller schemes and attracting people into that area but it is critical we do so. We have so many policies that are aimed at rural Ireland, between Connecting Ireland, the Town Centre First policy, the Our Rural Future document and Croí Cónaithe funding.

These are all concrete and tangible measures to try to breathe life back into these communities. It might not be immediately obvious if you were to visit Ardmore now because you would see the strand, you might go up to the cathedral or have a bite to eat in the Cliff House Hotel but it is a town that dies on its feet in the winter, in particular, when the tourism spend goes out.

Mar fhocal scoir, ba mhaith liom píosa beag a rá maidir leis na paróistí eile a luaigh mé, an Rinn agus an Seanphobal, i nGaeltacht na Déise. Is iad sin na paróistí eile a thiocfaí isteach ann ó Aird Mhór amach. Baineann na brúnna ceanann céanna sin go léir a labhair mé fúthu roimhe seo maidir le heaspa tithíochta agus inacmhainneacht na tithíochta, ansin. Tá tionchar sóisialta a thagann taobh leis na brúnna sin freisin ó thaobh uimhreacha na ndaltaí sna scoileanna a choinneáil in airde agus dóthain páistí a chur sna geansaithe ar na foirne faoi aois. Tá an cheist bhreise ann sa Ghaeltacht áfach agus is é sin todhchaí na teanga sa cheantar sin. Tá pleananna forbartha ag an bpobal sa Roinn do thithíocht inacmhainne phoiblí agus is cosúil go bhfuil tacaíocht forleathan ann dá gcuid bpleananna, ach caithfimid a bheith cinnte go dtagann Údarás na Gaeltachta ar bord agus go bhfuil coinníollacha teanga cuí i bhfeidhm. Deirimid i gcónaí gurb í beatha teanga í a labhairt ach níl aon áit ina bhfuil sé sin níos tábhachtaí ná níos oiriúnaí ná sna ceantair Ghaeltachta féin.

Go raibh maith ag an Teachta. Aontaím leis go gcaithfidh daoine a chur in iúl go bhfuil suim acu sna tithe nua san Aird Mhór. He will also be aware of the first home scheme which is delivered via a strategic partnership between the State and participating mortgage lenders. It is targeted at first-time or fresh start buyers and will improve access to newly built homes by using a shared equity model to bridge the gap between mortgage finance and the cost of new homes, similar to that employed in the local authority affordable purchase scheme. Already 32 eligibility certificates have been issued in County Waterford and, given the history of Waterford City and County Council in developing affordable homes, I have no doubt it will bring that experience, working with local representatives, to the scheme in Ardmore.

I gcomhthéacs cúrsaí na Rinne, mar is eol don Teachta, tá an tAire, an Teachta Ó Briain, ag obair ar threor nua le haghaidh pleanáil na Gaeltachta agus tithíocht sa Ghaeltacht. Caithfidh mé a rá gur míbhuntáiste mór é nuair a ceapadh mé mar Aire Stáit, nach ball mé de Chomhcoiste na Gaeilge, na Gaeltachta, agus Phobal Labhartha na Gaeilge. I have to say it is the committee I miss most mar bhíomar go léir ag obair le chéile ar chúrsaí cosúil le seo, ach beidh mé ag cur brú ar an Aire, an Teachta Ó Briain, faoi cúrsaí pleanála sna ceantair Ghaeltachta cosúil leis An Rinn.

Nitrates Usage

Will the Minister of State do everything possible to defer the new nitrates derogation regime which is reducing from 250 kg N/ha to 220 kg N/ha? I am asking that it at least be paused or deferred for a period of time. As the Minister of State would know, coming as he does from a country area, farmers get their cows and heifers in calf by July at the latest so that they will be calving from January onwards, through February and March, to meet the new season and catch the first grass that grows, and it was no different this year. Farmers had all of their cows and heifers in calf by the end of July at the latest, and then in September they were told this new regime would be coming into place from 1 January 2024. We can see the predicament many farmers are in now. There is no market at present for in-calf cows or heifers to be milked in the coming year because most farmers have their quota filled and their culled cows sold. They have the amount of cows they need so no one will be buying the extra cows or heifers, so there is only one place farmers can go with them. To keep the same amount of cows, farmers would have to buy or rent more land and that is just not possible for most of them. The only option they have is to send their heavily in-calf cows or heifers to the factory for slaughter. That is not a good thing to be asking farmers to do. It was never done in farming practices previously. Farmers never did that. They never sold in-calf cows that were close to calving or sent an in-calf heifer to the factory. That was never done here and I am asking the Minister of State to pull out all the stops to ensure it does not happen.

Farmers are against the change to the derogation but it seems to be copper-fastened at this stage. The European Commissioner with responsibility for the environment is coming over here on Thursday and I ask the Government to pull out all of the stops and ensure this issue is explained to him. This is cruelty. It is inhumane to do this to cows and heifers that are heavily in calf. I am being contacted by farmers around Killarney, in Kerry, Cork, Tipperary and Limerick who cannot believe they are in this predicament. The Minister of State is from a country place and I appreciate his presence here to listen to my story because I know he will take it forward. I appeal to him to drive the point home to the Taoiseach, who is meeting the Commissioner on Thursday, and whoever else is meeting him. I ask that every effort be made to ensure there is a pause or a deferral so that farmers have a proper and fair chance to comply with the new regulations. When the change was announced in September, it was too late then because the cows and heifers were already in calf.

I thank the Deputy for raising this very important issue, which is timely in advance of the Commissioner's visit this week. The Government recognises the importance of maintaining Ireland's nitrates derogation and is committed to seeking to maintain it into the longer term. However, to do this, we must all act together to improve water quality. Our current derogation includes a requirement for a two-year water quality review. The European Commission's implementing decision, which is the formal legal instrument awarding Ireland’s derogation, states that the maximum derogation stocking rate must reduce to 220 kg N/ha from 1 January 2024 in areas that did not pass the review. In March of this year, the Minister for agriculture, Deputy McConalogue, engaged with the Commission to revisit the conditionality around the two-year water quality review. In June the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, reported the outcome of the review. Its report identified a significant area of the country that had failed at least one of the four criteria prescribed by the Commission.

In August, as part of the Minister for agriculture's ongoing engagement, he wrote to Commissioner Sinkevičius seeking more time to establish the impact of measures recently introduced under the nitrates action programme before there would be any reduction in the maximum derogation stocking rate. In early September, the Minister met Commissioner Sinkevičius when it became very clear there will be no reopening of the Commission's implementing decision. However, the Commissioner outlined there was scope to make some minor adjustments to the outcome arising from the water quality review based on scientifically justified parameters. Following that interpretation process, the final implementation map showing the areas that must move to the lower maximum derogation stocking rate was published on 3 October. The Minister, Deputy McConalogue, is continuing to engage with the Commission on the implementing decision, including in relation to recent reports suggesting that there may be a prospect of delaying implementation.

I know Deputy Healy-Rae will agree it is critically important that farmers have clarity on this matter, and that will be the focus of Commissioner Sinkevičius’ visit this Thursday.

The Minister, Deputy McConalogue, will use this opportunity to emphasise the critical importance of Irish agriculture retaining its nitrates derogation from 2026 onwards. As the engagement continues, however, it is prudent that we continue to prepare for the move to the lower maximum stocking rate. That is why the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine published the implementation map in early October, categorised all land in the country and has since commenced the process of writing to the farmers most likely to be directly impacted by the reduction in the derogation stocking rate limit.

I will speak directly to the specific concerns raised by the Deputy. It is important to clarify that the move to 220 kg does not mean that on 1 January next year an impacted farm must be at or below 220 kg of livestock manure nitrogen per hectare. As is normal practice, compliance with the new maximum allowance will be assessed on a calendar year basis after year-end. Obviously, in order to ensure farmers are compliant overall by the end of 2024, it would be beneficial if action were taken early to ensure an orderly transition to the new derogation regime.

I will address another point raised by the Deputy. To reduce the pressure to move young calves off-farm, the Minister has asked Teagasc to establish a separate nutrient excretion rate for young calves, rather than the current situation, where they are considered in the overall bovine category from zero to 12 months. Teagasc has also been asked to investigate the impact of reducing the maximum crude protein content of concentrates fed to dairy cows at grass. This may justify a reduction in the dairy cow’s nutrient excretion rate due to the lower crude protein intake. Furthermore, the Minister has asked Teagasc to review the calculation of the nutrient content of cattle slurry.

The Government strongly encourages all impacted farmers to engage with an accredited agricultural adviser to seek their best option or combination of options available to allow them to adjust to the new limit. I will bring back the points raised by the Deputy to the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, ahead of his meeting on Thursday with Commissioner Sinkevičius.

I thank the Minister of State. It is unfortunate that, even as we speak, many farmers will go out of business in the next few years because their young fellas are not taking up dairy farming. They find it too difficult and the hours too long. The vilification of farmers and the cow is stopping young fellas from going into it. There is no encouragement. They feel like they are blamed for the rain, the heat and everything else. No other industry or anything else is tackled in the same way as the poor farmer and the cow farmers. There is no comeback on lads up in aeroplanes or whatever but the farmer is an easy target.

Many farmers are going to go out of business. I was asked to say that the latest nitrates action programme has not been in place long enough to demonstrate we were gaining and improving. How many waterways have been damaged by local authorities or Irish Water? In the Lough Leane catchment area, where farmers are now being targeted by this, several treatment plants are not compliant and there are none at all in places like Scartaglin and Curra. It is very unfortunate that the finger is being pointed clearly at the farmer.

The Minister's leader gave out to me for raising the issue of culling cows or suggesting that he would want to have cows culled. That is what is happening. I raised it more than two years ago. The only way out for farmers now is to cull cows. He has to admit that either he did not know what was happening or he knew but did not want to tell us. That is not fair on farmers, however. Farmers who got their cows in calf last July now have no option other than to send heifers that are heavily in calf into the factory. I am appealing to the Minister of State. I am relying on him to get people around the table in order that they can see this is wrong. It is cruelty to animals.

I absolutely agree with the Deputy regarding the vilification of farmers. It is wrong. If we are to have a proper debate on climate change, which is real and happening and will be very real for every person, then vilifying one sector will not allow that. It is wrong and I agree with the Deputy that everybody has to shoulder the burden here.

The Minister, Deputy McConalogue, deals daily with the issues raised by the Deputy. Earlier this year, he established the agriculture water quality working group, which involves key stakeholders from across the agrifood sector. The group has several aims, including to improve awareness of the impact individual actions can have on water quality, to improve farmer compliance with existing rules and to consider what new measures should be introduced to drive improvements in water quality.

The Government continues to support improvement in overall water quality through a number of other measures, including the extension and expansion of the agricultural sustainability support and advisory programme; measures under the eco-scheme and ACRES to reduce nutrient losses and further limit chemical nitrogen use as part of the CAP strategic plan; a water quality European innovation partnership launched by the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, this year, with a value of €60 million over the next five years; accelerated capital allowances for farmers investing in manure storage; and proposed changes to TAMS grant aid for farmers investing in manure storage.

The Minister is engaging directly with the Commission on the implementing decision. We all agree it is essential that we and farmers have absolute clarity on recent reports on the possibility of delaying implementation. That matter will be the focus of Commissioner Sinkevičius' visit this week and the Minister will be stressing to him directly the critical importance of retaining the nitrates derogation after 2026.

I will highlight some of the wonderful projects being developed by farmers that were on display during the National Ploughing Championships. These are on-farm solutions to reducing emissions that are being supported through Enterprise Ireland from my Department. Everybody working together can assist on this. The Deputy can rest assured the meeting with Commission Sinkevičius on Thursday will have this issue at its heart and the Minister, Deputy McConalogue, will be bringing directly to him the message the Deputy has passed on this evening.

Small farmers are going to be affected more than anyone else. Their work is-----

Deputy, I have been more than lenient. I let both sides go considerably over time.

Cuireadh an Dáil ar athló ar 10.18 p.m. go dtí 9.10 a.m., Dé Céadaoin, an 22 Samhain 2023.
The Dáil adjourned at 10.18 p.m. until 9.10 a.m. on Wednesday, 22 November 2023.
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