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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 18 Feb 2004

Bord Bia: Presentation.

The minutes of the meeting of 4 February have been circulated. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed.

I welcome Mr. Michael Duffy, chief executive, Mr. Aidan Cotter, operations officer, and Mr. John McGrath, director of marketing communications and consumer affairs, all of Bord Bia, to the meeting. Before asking Mr. Duffy to commence his presentation, I wish to draw the attention of the witnesses to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege, the same does not extend to witnesses. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise, or make charges against a person outside the House, or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I welcome Mr. Duffy and his colleagues and you may now proceed with your presentation.

Mr. Michael Duffy

Thank you. I submitted a fairly full overview of agriculture and food from the perspective of Bord Bia and I do not intend to go through every page of the document, but I wish to focus on some elements of it, with the agreement of the committee. The point of departure is to reflect on the past year.

I apologise for interrupting Mr. Duffy, but I note that a vote has just been called in the Dáil.

My apologies, Mr. Duffy. There is nothing I can do about it. The meeting is suspended for 15 minutes.

Sitting suspended at 4.30 p.m. and resumed at 4.45 p.m.

Mr. Duffy

The value of exports from the food and drink sector reached €6.665 billion in 2003. This represents a very positive performance when viewed in the context of weaker economic conditions in all the major export markets, significant adverse currency movements, and intense price and product competition in all markets.

The euro zone accounted for 30% of Irish food and drink exports in 2003. Of the remainder, the UK accounted for almost 40% and the rest of the world for 30%. In other words, 70% of our exports last year were outside the euro zone. If the value of exports is adjusted for the appreciation of the euro against sterling, the dollar and other currencies, the underlying growth in the total value of exports is closer to 10%, which is encouraging.

At a global level the food and drink industry is going through a process of significant change that is presenting important challenges to all involved in the industry ranging from the producer to the retailer. There are many different forces driving these changes, but the key ones revolve around changing consumer behaviour with an emphasis on convenience foods, functional foods and speciality products. This in turn is driven by factors such as lifestyle, demographics, and global retail trends. From a Bord Bia perspective, the Irish food and drinks industry's success on domestic and external markets will depend on the industry's ability to anticipate and respond to emerging market developments.

I would like to talk about our marketing strategy in the context of some of the sectors, starting with the meat sector, what is happening there and how we are responding to it. Irish exports of meat and livestock increased by 5% in 2003, to reach almost €2 billion. A strong performance in beef and live animal exports offset declines in lamb and pigmeat exports. Further growth is expected in 2004 due to increased penetration of premium EU beef markets assisted by the absence of intervention stock, a decline in EU production and relatively strong consumer demand. We also anticipate reasonably steady prospects for lamb and for pigmeat.

The European beef market is now in deficit for the first time in 25 years. Irish beef exporters, responding to the improved demand, marketed a record 415,000 tonnes within the internal market in 2003, a volume never previously approached in the industry's history. The increased focus on Europe, to where we exported 85% of our product in beef last year, is set to continue. Consumption in 2004 is estimated at 7.75 million tonnes and that will exceed the consumption peak in 1999. More people are eating beef now in the EU than were for many years.

The enlargement of the EU from May is set to offer further opportunities. As health concerns switch to obesity, the role of red meat in a healthy and balanced diet is becoming increasingly recognised. The recovery of the beef market in Europe over the last two years is remarkable, but there are significant challenges. The prospective ending of the over 30 months scheme in Britain, possibly in the late autumn, could displace some 70,000 tonnes of Irish beef exports on an annualised basis.

Another challenge is the prospect for the cattle and beef trade as the year progresses. They are likely to be affected by any pre-decoupling decisions by producers to reduce cow numbers and to bring forward marketing in advance of the slaughter premium.

Proposals for EU legislation dealing with the transportation of live animals represent an important issue for the live export trade. The continued recovery in the export of live animals to 220,000 in 2003 has been an important development. Meanwhile, the challenge from South American imports continues to grow. In the latest GATT trading year, imports of beef from South America into Europe paying full duty are set to almost double to reach between 100,000 and 120,000 tonnes.

Food safety remains at the top of the international food agenda. The outbreak of BSE in the US and the development of avian flu in both the Asian and American continents highlight the global nature of the meat trade. It also highlights the vulnerability of trade flows, both to animal disease and to any concerns about infections migrating to humans.

The speed of response of the EU and national authorities to banning imports of poultry from Thailand, once the issue became apparent, is reassuring. The substantial decline in the incidence of BSE cases, from 183 cases in 2003, down from 329 in 2002, is similarly reassuring. The continued rise in the age profile of cases points to a continued reduction and a positive backdrop to national efforts to gain greater market access.

Other challenges include the full implications of the CAP reform which will depend on the decisions yet to be taken by many member states with regard to the options available to them under decoupling. The Doha round of WTO negotiations will determine the market access, the lower import tariffs and duties and the level of export subsidies available. All of those will have an effect. Any further opening up of the EU market is likely to result in increased supplies of South American beef, in particular, entering the EU.

I have discussed the challenges and the environment that we face in the beef sector. Our strategy is to concentrate our resources on securing three conditions which we consider necessary for the industry's success. The first is to support the industry as it extends its market reach by working to restore market access in international markets and building new businesses within the enlarged Union. The second condition is to improve the industry's market position in the markets where it is competing, by targeting the highest returning customer segments. The third condition is to build a sustainable brand image for Irish beef that will secure its long-term position with consumers and offer the prospects of a premium for producers. All our work is geared to meeting those three conditions of extending market reach, improving the industry's market position, and building a sustainable brand.

In addressing those conditions, we are implementing a number of key initiatives. In May, we will host a second European meat forum in Dublin which will bring some 200 European meat buyers and journalists to Ireland. We have extensively reviewed the case for branding Irish beef as a means of building a lasting franchise for the product among consumers. This year, we have decided to launch a major co-branding project on the Italian market. The project will seek, in partnership with some of the leading retailers, to promote Irish beef on taste, supported by our green image, and to establish the Irish beef market as a premium mark of quality in the marketplace. The Italian market has the largest import deficit in Europe, is the most rapidly growing market for Irish beef, and the product is listed by many of the leading retailers.

In addition, we will launch the chefs' Irish beef club in the UK, France and Holland as a means of building the positive image of beef in the food service through a partnership with high-quality Michelin star restaurants. We are working with over 30 leading supermarket groups promoting Irish beef and lamb, with over 3,500 outlets in the EU. We plan to further consolidate and develop these market positions in 2004 and we are making progress with the industry in accessing new supermarket business in the accession states, particularly Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

We plan to continue to work closely with both the Department of Agriculture and Food and the Department of Foreign Affairs towards regaining access to markets closed to EU beef in the aftermath of BSE. Similarly, an extensive programme of market research, participation at international trade fairs, inward buyer visits, and other trade development and image building activities will be a key foundation to our work in supporting the industry.

In lamb, the EU market continued to readjust last year following the historically high prices that prevailed in 2000 and 2001 after the outbreak of foot and mouth disease. The value of our exports last year amounted to €145 million, a fall of 12% arising from a decline of 8% in volume and 4% in price. Market conditions for lamb remain relatively stable with the Irish market now accounting for about 35% of the industry's output and the French market accounting for 70% of exports. The principal challenge from a marketing perspective is to widen the appeal of lamb to a broader market and to younger consumers. We are working with all sectors in the industry to achieve this goal through a programme of product and recipe development and through strong, targeted promotional campaigns in both the Irish and French markets.

In pigmeat, 2003 was another challenging year with difficulties emanating from the appreciation of the euro, the release of APS stocks, and increased competition on global markets. The result was a decline of 6% in prices across the EU. Last year, Irish exports were valued at €250 million, which was a fall of 4% in volume and 3% in price. Market conditions remain challenging for the industry and are not helped by further pressure on margins from higher feed costs. Bord Bia is working with the sector on a comprehensive pork promotional programme for the Irish market for 2004. We have developed a new theme "A World of Flavours" which has been worked with through our advertising and focus groups and will, we believe, help to highlight the diversity of the product and gain increased consumption.

The increased penetration of imports of beef, pigmeat and poultry in the Irish market, given our high self-sufficiency, is a cause of some concern to many Irish producers. Although much of this product is processed for re-export, it is also absorbed into domestic consumption, particularly in the catering and food service trade.

Our Féile Bia programme, with almost 1,300 members, is an initiative aimed specifically at providing increased information and transparency about the provenance of products and ensuring that they come about through recognised quality assurance schemes. We will further develop this programme in 2004 by requiring clear identification of origin in the various establishments, extending the auditing programme and working with the industry to ensure the integrity of the scheme is maintained.

To complement the quality assurance schemes that we have in place for beef, pigmeat and eggs, we are working with the industry and will shortly launch a new quality assurance scheme for chicken, following two years of preparation and consultation with the industry. We believe this development will further enhance the positive reputation of Irish chicken on the domestic market.

I wish to cover some other sectors. The consumer food sector has been one of the strong growth sectors for the last eight to ten years and is a sector that comprises the chilled, frozen, ambient and speciality food products which are processed into other products sold in retail outlets in the food service sector. Last year, because of currency fluctuations, exports showed a decrease of 5%, but when that is taken out, volume grew by 4%. Some 77% of these exports go to the UK and they are especially prone to exchange rate fluctuations.

The confectionery sector and the frozen foods sector showed growth. The issue for many of the companies here is the increased price sensitivity of the consumer, increased competition from European competitors, the power of the multiples and the relative battle between private label and brands that is unfolding on our supermarket shelves.

Smaller Irish companies in the speciality food sector have seen strong sales growth in the past two years and are working with those companies. We established the TASTE council last year as a way of providing a forum and action body that could address some of the issues such as education, distribution, innovation, how to retail and sell speciality food products, which is one of the most dynamic areas with which we deal.

In overall terms, the environment for consumer foods, speciality foods and beverages will remain particularly challenging in 2004 and the core competencies we will focus on will be innovation, building new customer relationships and cost control in the face of tightening margins. We have developed a range of customised services to assist companies with their individual market development objectives. We will be hosting a major trade exhibition and conference in Dublin in September. We have expanded our brand programme for which we have tremendous industry support to deal with the issue facing companies in terms of sustaining their brand on the shelves. Our food service sector is currently fully or over-subscribed which works with companies in Britain and into the continental markets.

The year 2003 saw better times for dairy products, which carried through to 2004. Most of the work we are involved with is around the consumer food products such as cheese and ingredients. We will be working with the companies through trade shows, market research and extended buyer contact events. The beverage sector increased by 8% - it is now a €1 billion industry. Key markets are the UK, the USA and continental Europe. We have an active programme with the companies involved in promotion and trade development.

Exports in the edible horticulture sector fell by 3%, largely due to increased competition and exchange rate pressures because the exports are to the British market. There has been intense price pressure on UK retailers with such actions as aggressive Internet pricing structures.

Bord Bia is represented on the task force which was set up by the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture and Food, Deputy Treacy, and we will continue to work on a series of actions to further help the industry. Our mission is around trade development and promotion of the food industry. Our objective is to deliver effective and innovative market development promotion and information services to drive new growth in the sector.

We are acutely conscious of the importance of the food and drink industry to the Irish economy. Given the change facing the rural economy, it is vital for its well-being that the agri-food and drink industry is nurtured and developed. It accounts for something like 55% of all indigenous exports but it faces many of the same threats as other industries, including increased foreign competition from low-cost producers, a loss of domestic cost-competitiveness, a serious exchange rate risk and the need to move up the value chain. We have a focused promotion plan around meat, consumer foods and beverages and speciality foods. We are working in co-operation with the industry and believe our plans, market knowledge and skills from our people can play a vital role in ensuring the industry secures a successful and profitable future.

I thank Mr. Duffy for his submission. I apologise for the interlude as a result of the vote.

Mr. Duffy made no reference to the amalgamation of Bord Glas and Bord Bia. What is his view on the matter? Can he assure us that Bord Glas will not be subsumed into the greater entity and lose its sense of identity? This is particularly worrying in view of the fact that edible horticultural exports dropped by approximately 3%.

Mr. Duffy mentioned this was due to price pressure and competition from Holland and Poland. Can he outline to us how he rates the impact of the advent of Poland and the other accession countries on the Irish food market? When we were trying to sell the Nice treaty, research indicated that Ireland would benefit. Projections took into consideration the additional 100 million consumers which would be to our benefit.

The concept of decentralisation sounds good and we are all in favour of it. However, when one comes down to the brass tacks, Bord Bia is based in Dublin. The 30 people who worked in Civil Defence were to relocate to Roscrea——

I remind the Deputy that we invited Mr. Duffy and his colleagues to come before the committee to discuss marketing strategy.

How does Mr. Duffy see the decentralisation of Bord Bia to Enniscorthy impacting on his ability to market? When he is at the hub of things in Dublin, he is close to the airport and so on. I am aware Mr. Duffy has 75 personnel, 55 of whom are located in Ireland and 25 abroad. In view of the fact that the Minister for Finance stated that 75 were to be re-located to Enniscorthy, how does Mr. Duffy think the marketing will be impacted upon because these people will be withdrawn from abroad? I am speaking tongue-in-cheek since I am sure it was an error in the Minister's speech.

There is one member of Bord Bia staff in Chicago. Maybe there is a reason for it. Many companies have people marketing. However, given the huge market for beverages in particular, it must be frustrating that there is just one person from Bord Bia. Is it not desirable that we should have more staff there? Is the lack of funding frustrating? I am not making a political point. It is difficult when one has to compete with multinational companies such as McDonald's and so on.

We have more prescriptive tagging measures in regard to the traceability of sheep than most other countries. Has the new sheep-tagging system assisted Bord Bia in marketing lamb? Is there a tangible benefit?

When I was abroad recently I saw vending machines for milk. I have never seen them in Ireland. There has been talk about increased obesity levels in recent years and children often opt for Coke rather than other drinks. Has Bord Bia examined the concept of putting milk vending machines in schools?

We have read reports of people who signed up for Féile Bia and who are serving Brazilian beef. Is that frustrating to an Bord Bia and does it have any measures for censure? I apologise for stepping over the demarcation lines.

I remind members that when the Bord Bia annual report is published, we will be in a better position to go through other issues about which they are concerned.

Sitting suspended at 5.10 p.m. and resumed at 5.25 p.m.

I thank Mr. Duffy and his colleagues for attending and making a very detailed presentation. It is extremely useful to be given the state of play in the Irish food industry and in the marketing of Irish food.

On balance, does Mr. Duffy see the enlargement of the European Union as a plus or a minus for Ireland? I realise that it may be difficult to gaze into the crystal ball and see what will happen, but it will clearly have a huge impact on imports into Ireland and the opening of our markets, but also on opportunities for development in those countries. I would like to hear the views of the witnesses on that issue in a little more detail. Are there any particular Irish products or ranges of products that have been identified as being suitable for the accession countries?

The witness mentioned the speciality food market and referred to Ireland and Britain as the markets for those products. Perhaps he would elaborate on the opportunities for expanding beyond that limit. Are we in competition with countries like France in the field of speciality products? I presume he was referring to products like Irish cheese. We should see if there is an alternative market beyond Ireland and the UK that could be developed with greater productivity for us. There is a niche market in this regard that could be exploited.

It is interesting that the consumption of butter has increased. This may not entail a huge amount of the product, but it seems that there are so many alternatives that we are doing well if the marketing of butter has resulted in an increase. The witness might have a view on what has opened that market for us, where it is, and how it might be expanded.

Horticulture has reduced by 3%, which relates specifically to mushrooms. The witness's comments suggested that in other horticultural products the reduction is very small. I do not want to venture into the details of the Bord Bia-Bord Glas amalgamation as it is another day's work. It is an area in which there must be scope for expansion. There must be Irish horticultural products that are suitable for an expanding market and that could be publicised more.

In Ireland an area that we, perhaps, have not given enough attention to is adding value to many of the basic commodities. If the witness has any views on how that can be enhanced and what we need to do in research programmes to ensure that we stay abreast of highly competitive value-added products as imports from other countries, we would like to hear them.

I welcome members of the delegation and thank them for the comprehensive review they have given us of their activities in the past year or two. In the figures they have produced, alcohol seems to be the product rising at the fastest rate. I do not know if this is good news or not, but I suppose it is good for the export market at any rate.

Some believe in it.

In respect of live animal exports, export refunds are included, is that correct?

Mr. Duffy

Yes.

I welcome Mr. Duffy and his colleagues to the committee and thank them for their presentation.

It is good to hear that the meat industry is doing well. It is a tribute to the work the delegation is doing and to our nearly disease-free status. It is important to keep that in place, especially when we are discussing the speciality food market that will develop in the future.

Currently, imports from Thailand are banned and supermarket prices are low. Is the delegation happy with the level of traceability in terms of Thai imports? Will proper labelling of chickens help the Irish situation? For how long will the ban on Thai chicken remain in place? Looking to the future, what impact will accession countries have on the pigmeat industry?

I join colleagues in thanking Mr. Duffy for a clear and concise presentation. I also acknowledge the strong performance of the beef sector in particular. Bord Bia is to be congratulated on its work in regard to Féile Bia. This committee has referred on many occasions to the phenomenon of imported meat products. The organisation is doing a great deal to promote the Irish product through Féile Bia.

Perhaps the delegation could inform the committee about its auditing system and what more can be done to encourage the hotel and catering sector, in particular the contract catering sector, to source their products nationally, an area in which we are experiencing particular difficulties.

Our supermarkets now provide ethnic foodstuffs. Many of us have experienced other foods through visiting countries while on holidays. Given the record number of tourists coming to Ireland, does Bord Bia have a strategy for promoting Irish foods? Most visitors to Ireland are enormously impressed with the quality and presentation of our food. It is one of the lasting impressions they take home with them. Former President Robinson spoke of the Irish diaspora but that diaspora often concentrated in particular areas of the world. Has Bord Bia a strategy to focus on markets where there is a concentration of Irish people?

Mention was also made of the changing behaviour of consumers in terms of convenience, functional and speciality foods. How is the Irish processor adapting to the change in the marketplace in that regard? Is anything happening in the beef sector? We have failed abysmally over the years to add any value to our beef products. It is a wonderful product but is there an opportunity to add more value to it?

I am always a little self-conscious when people speak about obesity. The delegation made reference to the fact that health consciousness is now focusing on obesity and spoke of the role of red meat in a balanced and healthy diet. What will Bord Bia do to highlight that phenomenon?

I, too, welcome the delegation. From time to time groups and individuals from the cottage industries, once traditional around the country, come to us to ask about compliance with regulations and so on. One of the criticisms is that regulations enforced in Ireland, even though they are EU regulations, are applied more strictly to the cottage industries here than in countries such as France and Spain. They also say regulations on country markets are very strict, yet such products are freely available on street stalls in other countries despite the difference in temperatures. Perhaps the delegation will give its opinion in that regard.

I welcome the delegation and compliment it on the work it does. It is vital for agriculture in particular that we continue to support this organisation. My apologies for arriving late. Members of the other Upper House get lesser treatment in situations like this. I hope the Chairman will not take the blame if the Leader of the Seanad goes to the park as a result of the vote.

I will not repeat what has been said already. Bord Glas was been mentioned but perhaps that is a matter for another day. Perhaps the delegation will inform the committee to what degree it duplicates the work of Bord Iascaigh Mhara and whether it would be in the interests of the fishing industry for it to be subsumed into Bord Bia.

I would like to hear the delegation's comments regarding beef and the fact that products coming from Third World and other countries are not subject to the same standard of traceability as others, particularly in relation to the hotel trade where people may well be eating imported meat. It is an ill wind that does not blow some good. Bearing in mind the banning of Thai chicken, is this not a glorious opportunity for the promotion of beef on the Continent? Perhaps Bord Bia will outline what it intends doing to take up this golden opportunity to promote the beef industry.

Exports of lamb and beef have improved enormously post-BSE. Will they continue to grow in the years ahead? Such exports have, naturally, put a floor on the price of beef, which is important.

The delegation also referred to an important issue. When Commissioner Byrne attended the committee some time ago, we raised with him the thorny issue of legislation regarding the transportation of live animals, an industry very important to Ireland. We are hopeful that matter can be resolved during Ireland's Presidency of the EU. The sector is a vital cog in the beef market.

Mr. Duffy

A number of questions have been raised. I will deal first with the issue of horticulture. We have, under existing legislation, responsibility for the export of horticultural produce. We do not have any current role as structured but that will change following enactment of the An Bord Bia (Amendment) Bill.

Mention was made about the lightness of the commentary on horticultural exports. From our perspective, exports are in almost all cases mushrooms. We export only a small amount of potatoes. When one speaks on the substance of horticultural exports, it tends to be in relation mushrooms. That is the reason we confined our comments to that area.

There is no doubt the mushroom sector in Poland will significantly displace the Dutch producers. There is increased competition in the marketplace in Britain. We are currently working with the industry in that regard. Deputy Upton asked how we can add value to mushrooms. We have been selling a very basic commodity which is under severe pressure because of increased production from very cost effective producers on the Continent and that situation will not change. The question arises of how to add value to the product in terms of using mushroom as a main ingredient in some meals and recipes. We have tended to concentrate in Britain on the retail sector and we need to bring more volume into the food service sector and spread the price and spread the risk. That is our plan.

We try to run Bord Bia with a focus on very different businesses. We have subsidiary boards for meat and consumer foods. The Bill proposes a subsidiary board for horticulture. The advantage is that very different businesses are provided with the appropriate strategies and plans and the kind of analysis they need. We do not have horizontal measures but try to be highly specific for the different sectors and that is how we intend to operate.

A question was asked about the traceability of sheepmeat. The Bord Bia view is that the export market is very competitive. One of the major aspects is the extensive agriculture, the conditions of production with the investment that has gone on to traceability across the board. Sheep tagging is of benefit to us in the marketplace. Anything that allows one to stand over traceability in today's environment will help in the marketplace and we are supportive of that.

Féile Bia began as a one-day programme which we extended for a week and then it was introduced as a year round programme. There have been different stages in the programme. The first stage was to bring as many people as possible into the scheme. We now have 1,300 and we are working towards 2,000 members and beyond. We have a twin-track approach and one element is to develop the programme on the auditing side. We have introduced through the national food centre a programme of audits assessments. It is our intention that all members will be audited and that programme is in place. They are being audited on the origin and it touches on the issue of imports and the source of the products. We are looking for clear documentary evidence of a chain of documentation that pinpoints quite precisely the source of the product. We are also looking at physical product checks.

When an establishment such as an hotel or a restaurant applies to be a member of Bord Bia they must make commitments. They must identify their suppliers very clearly and the suppliers must identify the source of the product. There is complete visibility and transparency. We are examining the provenance and we check that it is quality assured. Bord Bia runs quality assurance schemes and the advantage of our audits is that we use the national food centre to run the Féile Bia audits and also to run the audits for our quality assurance scheme. There is a lot of knowledge and we can do a lot of cross checking and cross referencing which improves the efficacy of the audits.

As the programme is developed this year, we hope to make it more visible. The question was asked as to how it can be made more attractive to new members. It makes commercial sense for a hotel or a restaurant to be in Féile Bia because the market research shows that 68% of consumers would like to know the source of the product. The consumer wants to know so there is a commercial rationale there. We want to make the programme more visible, which is why the Féile Bia plaque was launched. Every restaurant and hotel in the scheme will have a Féile Bia plaque certified from farm to fork. We want the Féile Bia logo to be more obvious on menus. Any claim about origin must be quite specific.

That touches on the question about the tourist market. One of the planks we wish to use in the tourist market is the Féile Bia programme so that tourists visiting hotels and restaurants will see the product provenance and that it is quality assured. They will then have a higher appreciation of Irish food.

This touches also on the issue of speciality foods which are another method of coming to the attention of tourists. Visitors to countries want to see the local food and by that is meant speciality foods, not frozen foods. That is one of the reasons Bord Bia concentrates very much on the Irish and British market, although not exclusively. It is a large and growing market worth over €6 billion.

Most of the companies we deal with are very small companies. While we work with some of them for the US or on the Continent, there is a growing sense within the industry that there are sufficient opportunities at home and in Britain to exploit before going further afield.

That is one of the reasons Bord Bia set up the TASTE council which is composed of members from both Britain and Ireland. The idea of the council is to help with the issues of promoting and selling speciality foods. We need a wider product range because the present product range is good but it needs to be increased. We want to see more regional dynamism behind speciality foods in order that tourists will be able to see such foods more obviously in the different regions. That would also help to raise the profile of Irish food within tourism.

The issue of the US touches on speciality foods and the opportunities for Irish food. I stated that 70% of our exports are to Britain and the Continent within the EU. There are opportunities in the US. If we were speaking on this topic six years ago, we would be talking about the difficulties of getting Irish speciality foods into the supermarkets because they were to be found then in the ethnic stores and there were also difficulties with distribution. On the east coast and the north-east of the United States, they regard as speciality food products what we would not necessarily call speciality food products. These include biscuits and tea and other products. Such speciality food products have been listed in supermarkets so the products have moved from the ethnic stores to the supermarkets and the distribution is in place.

The challenge for Bord Bia now is to get Irish companies to produce products with the correct bar coding, nutritional information and weight codes for the United States. The producers at home are dealing with Britain, the Continent and the US but products with specific packaging must be produced for the United States. Bord Bia is of the view that there are plenty of opportunities there and we must work with the companies in order that they make more investment in the US. At the moment I am happy enough that our office in Chicago, which will be supported by staff from Dublin as needs be, is adequate. If we find a stronger demand from the companies, then we will increase the resources of that office.

In terms of the accession countries, the GDP of the accession countries taken as a whole is still a relatively small proportion of the EU GDP but it is increasing. In countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary, the grocery market is worth about €160 billion but is characterised by having a very strong processing industry. They are very price sensitive consumers. Bord Bia has examined those three markets in particular and in the short term we believe the opportunities will be for selected beef products, more forequarter rather than hindquarter because of the type of products they eat. In the short term we think it will be forequarter beef and the drinks sector. We are working with companies specifically to target those sectors to try to access the market there. There is no doubt that those countries have large-scale agriculture and are involved in the commodities. I am quite sure that over time an increasingly competitive environment will be generated for the commodities produced in Ireland.

That returns to the question of adding more value to Irish food. My colleague, Mr. Aidan Cotter, is involved in the issue of increasing the value added to beef, which is our biggest sector. A graph would show the impact of technology on the sector. We have moved from an essentially live cattle trade to trade in carcase and vacuum packaging. It is now a case of centralised packaging where supermarkets want their product packed for them.

The present issue is that of ready to cook, ready to heat and ready to eat beef products and that introduces the branding of beef in a manner that has not been done before. The Irish companies are investing in research and development in that area. The development is taking place in the US. These are not TV dinners; they are using off-cuts which can be microwaved in three or four minutes and they taste quite good. That is the next stage of technology - development of beef, ready to heat, ready to eat, ready to cook products. Bord Bia is quite involved in that development. The Irish companies are fairly well up to speed and it is about trying to make it a commercial success.

Mr. Aidan Cotter

I would make the comment that Irish beef is as developed as and probably further up the value chain than most of the other beef industries internationally.

Mr. Duffy

I will deal first with the issue of chicken and the opportunity that is there. At the moment consumption exceeds production. Our analysis of the market going forward is about trying to get as much product as possible into the retail sector and into the high end of the food service sector. It is a more benign marketing environment on beef than we have seen for as long as Bord Bia has been in existence. The issue which concerns us is to what extent South American imports will put a ceiling on price. That probably would have a bigger effect than any short-term issues which may arise with chicken. I am quite sure that given the steps taken, the industry in Europe will be protected.

In the beef industry, the analysis would say the main thrust is to get as much product into the retail sector and into the high end of the food service sector. That is why we are putting money into Italy, where there are many opportunities. We have seen very encouraging developments in France centred on getting product into the retail sector.

A couple of years ago, representatives of the chicken processing sector came to Bord Bia looking at the whole concept of quality assurance. It was driven by the concerns raised over origin, the uncertainty of some of the production conditions and the fact that chicken fillets were coming in. Whole bird production was the preserve of the Irish. The industry was looking at the fact that the Brazilian and Thai industries were producing product at a fraction of our prices and how we could cope with that. We agreed with the assessment of the industry that it is necessary to make a virtue of producing product for the local market, but also to convey to the consumer that it has been produced under very careful, best practice conditions. That is why we worked with the processors and producers on a quality assurance scheme. That work is now complete and the outbreak of avian influenza has reminded the industry of the importance of traceability of local product and being able to make clear statements to the consumer.

How long will this take and am I concerned about the traceability and labelling of Thai imports? I would be concerned at anything that would confuse the consumer. I would get concerned when the consumer has any questions over a product sector, be it Thai, Irish or from another country. The Minister has taken some steps in respect of labelling, which are very important. The development of clear traceability and quality assurance schemes is necessary to today's consumer. All the research indicates they are looking for assurance, clarity and traceability.

We know how important are the 220,000 live cattle exports to farmers and producers, and the role this plays in supporting the price. I believe it grew by about one-third in the past year and there is further growth. The important element of the legislation going through Brussels is that there is agreement on practical sensible provisions that allow the trade to continue and I believe that will be the outcome.

I was asked about the role of and relationship with BIM. We have an operating agreement with BIM. We specify clearly its activities on promotion, trade development and information. We have quarterly meetings with BIM. We have just agreed with it a trade development programme for Britain. We work quite closely with it. Any further level of co-operation with it would be a matter for the Government, so I will stay away from that.

Is Mr. Duffy not making any recommendation?

Mr. Duffy

It would not be my position to do so. That is a Government decision. Our job is to get on with it.

I am sorry if I have left out any questions or dealt inadequately with any of them.

Can Mr. Duffy answer the question about the regulations?

Mr. Duffy

TASTE stands for Traditional, Artisan and Speciality Trade Expertise. Membership of the TASTE council comes from specific producers across the country and products and comprises retailers and specialists. Part of the reason for its establishment was the administrative regulatory burden that was spoken of. On the one hand the speciality food sector is so important to us given its profile and with tourism and home markets that we cannot afford any food scares. If there was a genuine food incident it could undermine all the hard work that supports "Ireland the Food Island" and the role it plays.

On the other hand these are very small businesses. The TASTE council is taking practical steps to ensure the EHOs or the inspectors are properly informed, aware and educated. In many cases when they come in, they do not understand the food processes. As we know, there are regulations and there is the interpretation of regulations. We want a proper sensible interpretation of the regulations that does not undermine or compromise in any way the food safety or hygiene regulations and also reflects an awareness of some of the processes in place. Much of the emphasis is on getting derogations that make sense without compromising safety and also on getting a proper education and application of the regulations that is appropriate and does the job they are meant to do without being over the top. The TASTE council will look at that and try to deal with the regulatory bodies on it.

There seems to be a fairly big market for low fat, healthy and weight-watcher options etc. Based on my little surveys in the supermarkets, all these products seem to be imported. Is there any opportunity for the development of such products here? They are expensive and appear to be non-Irish in origin.

Mr. Duffy

This is undoubtedly the case. We keep talking about four trends: convenience; health and well being; indulgence; and the move to value. Indulgence refers to speciality food - we are all so busy during the week that we want to indulge at some stage. Health and well being, including low calorie and low carbohydrate options, is where opportunities lie, either in the frozen cabinet or chilled cabinet. Much of the work we are doing with companies is trying to develop that issue. John McGrath runs the brand programme, which has strong support from the industry. Mr. McGrath might like to speak about these opportunities.

Mr. John McGrath

There are opportunities. This goes back to innovation and being able to move up the value chain, which is where the opportunities will lie in the future. While people are looking for convenience, they are looking for a higher quality of convenience. They are the kinds of consumer insights we are bringing to the industry though the brand forum councils.

As the dairy and meat food ingredient business would be a supplier to many of those manufacturers, we are getting some benefit from the growth of those industries. We supply product to the weight-watcher manufacturers. We are ahead of the game from the ingredients perspective. The challenge now is to bring the prepared food sector into that market also.

Mr. Duffy

That trend will accelerate. There is a term in food called "hyper convenience", which relates to products such as self-heating coffee, tomato soup that comes in a cup and has to be placed in a microwave oven and - my favourite - macaroni and cheese on a stick. This comes on a cardboard sleeve, which is placed in the microwave oven for two minutes. If so inclined, the consumer can then walk around eating macaroni and cheese. This is the way the industry is going with what is euphemistically called "meal solutions". This is where it sees the opportunities, making food more accessible and convenient, allowing consumers to eat in different places.

We will have a microwave oven here the next day you come.

As soon as consumers have time, they will have cookery classes.

Mr. Duffy

As a hobby.

Does Bord Bia issue certificates of quality in food to hotels and restaurants?

Mr. Duffy

No, we do not. We have looked at the issue and the best we can do is try to cover the chain up to the time the ingredient reaches the restaurant. This is what Féile Bia is trying to do. It is trying to say we have very good ingredients. We want to make sure food is produced to best practice and that the origin is identified. Once it goes into the kitchen, there are many other variables to consider such as the chef.

If someone has not had a representational issue, does that come through the Féile Bia programme?

Mr. Duffy

He or she would be a member of Féile Bia.

That, in itself, is no guarantee that the beef is Irish.

Mr. Duffy

Under European law, we cannot operate schemes which are exclusive to Irish food.

I know of a hostelry in a provincial town whose owner produces quality beef as a sideline. He cannot sign up to the programme because it must be done through an agent or a processor. Very often, agents and processors may be involved in the marketing of imported beef. That should be looked into by Bord Bia.

Mr. Duffy

The intention is not to preclude high quality raw materials.

However, the impression is given that if a certificate is issued by Féile Bia, the beef being eaten is Irish produced. That is not the case.

Mr. Duffy

The only scheme which has been approved for Féile Bia membership has been the Bord Bia beef scheme. No other beef has been approved. If that beef is being supplied under Féile Bia, they are not keeping to the provisions of Féile Bia. What we say is that the beef must be identified and produced under a recognised quality assurance scheme.

I accept that. I am trying to establish whether there is a guarantee that the meat being consumed is of Irish origin.

Mr. Duffy

While it is not a definite guarantee, no other quality assurance scheme has been approved under Féile Bia. Therefore, the beef in question should not be presented as a Féile Bia product. This year, a requirement will be introduced whereby menus will have to inform customers about the origin of the beef.

It is important. If anyone has evidence of wrongdoing in this respect, he should make it known to Bord Bia.

Mr. Duffy

Absolutely. We are introducing DNA testing on beef this year and we will make the test part of the audit process. We will start using the test in 10% of our audits as we are told that is statistically significant. We will test more frequently if we must.

My point was that the producer I mentioned was not allowed to sign up to the scheme as the beef must come from a recognised processor. The processor in question was using imported beef.

Mr. Duffy

I understand the point.

I thank Mr. Duffy and his colleagues for attending and responding to the questions of members. It has been a most informative discussion. Members will be aware that the An Bord Bia (Amendment) Bill 2003 has been passed by the Seanad and that Second Stage will commence in the Dáil tomorrow. Committee Stage should take place in the near future. Today's discussion has, therefore, been very timely. As Mr. Duffy and his colleagues have attended meetings of the committee in the past, I am sure they would be very interested in doing so again if requested. They will be more than welcome.

At our next meeting, Mr. John Dillon of the IFA will make a presentation to the committee.

The joint committee adjourned at 6.05 p.m. until 11 a.m. on Wednesday, 25 February 2004.
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