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Joint Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 3 Feb 2015

Dairy Industry: Bord Bia, ICOS and Positive Farmers

I remind members, witnesses and those in the gallery to switch off their mobile phones. I welcome the representatives from Bord Bia - Mr. Aidan Cotter, Mr. Padraig Brennan and Mr. David Owens - and thank them for attending to discuss with the committee the potential difficulties facing the dairy industry with regard to price volatility.

On the matter of privilege, I note that witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and they are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I invite Mr. Aidan Cotter to make his opening statement. I understand he has a PowerPoint presentation.

Mr. Aidan Cotter

I thank the Chairman and committee members for the invitation to address them today regarding developments in the global dairy market and the impact on exporters.

The imminent removal of dairy quotas and the forecast 2 billion litre increase in Irish milk production by 2020, albeit at a time of short-term market weakness, represents a major and long-term opportunity for the sector. It comes also at a time when the sector has already been making a significant contribution towards the growth in our overall food and drink exports, which recorded their fifth consecutive year of growth in 2014. Dairy exports increased by 3% last year, leaving trade some 56% higher than five years earlier. When dairy-based enriched powders - which are an integral part of the industry but are typically classed as a prepared food - are included, the value of dairy exports was almost €3.8 billion, or 36% of total food and drink exports.

Over the past decade, the value of Irish dairy exports has more than doubled. As the dairy sector begins to realise the opportunities now opening up, it is set to dominate and drive total export revenues by the end of this decade. The dairy sector is well positioned to do so, in that it has an international marketing footprint that is truly global. While as much as 40% of our total food and drink exports are destined for the UK market, just 32% of our dairy exports go there. And while almost 40% of dairy exports go to international markets, only 29% of total exports are destined for markets outside the European Union. The growth in exports in recent years has focused on Asia, Africa and the Middle East, which now account for 80% of dairy exports to international markets. Irish dairy products were exported to 138 countries in 2014.

The most striking trend of all is the sustained growth in exports to China, which is now our dairy industry’s second largest market after the UK, driven largely by the growth in infant formula exports. The progress made is highlighted by the fact that in 2008, China ranked 13th in terms of export markets.

In terms of our emerging branded presence and our pursuit of new opportunities in the market, the role of China in determining the fortunes of our dairy industry, both directly and indirectly, can hardly be overstated. China is now the world’s leading dairy importer and has a per capita dairy consumption level that is less than one third of the global average, so there is significant scope for growth in the future.

With up to 45% of dairy exports destined for international markets which predominantly trade in US dollars, and a further 27% destined for the sterling area, any change in exchange rates has the potential to impact on the competitiveness of Irish food and drink exports. In January 2015, the euro was 14% weaker against the US dollar and 7% weaker against sterling. These developments are helping to boost the competitiveness of Irish exports and should help to offset some of the decline in global dairy prices. If all other factors were equal, it could help boost the value of Irish dairy exports to the tune of 8%. However, a number of factors, such as availability, demand developments and the level of competition from other suppliers, will influence potential returns. It is also likely to take some time before any such currency-related benefit may be fully realised. The fact that the euro is weakening against other leading export regions such as the United States, New Zealand and Australia is helping to drive the relative competitiveness of European dairy products on world markets.

The drivers of growth in the demand for food are relentless - I will return to this in a moment - yet they are being met by new supply challenges that did not exist before, such as falling rates of growth in productivity, climate change, unpredictable weather events - identified by the FAO and the OECD as the single biggest contributor to volatility - a world facing water scarcity when agriculture requires 70% of it for irrigation, a fixed land supply, and the competing use of it for fuel as well as for food. These factors will work to Ireland's favour in the future.

Favourable weather conditions and strong producer prices have led to a strong increase in production in many of the world’s largest dairy export regions over the past year. The chart shows that during the 11 months to last November, combined production in New Zealand, Australia, the EU and US increased by almost 4%, or 9 billion litres of milk. The rate of growth slowed towards the end of the year as farmers responded to falling dairy prices. Volatility is not a new phenomenon within the dairy sector. Since 2007, weather-related supply shocks, disease issues, trade restrictions and so on have led to significant movements in international dairy commodity prices and resultant dairy farm prices. The global dairy market entered 2014 at strong price levels, but international commodity prices started to ease in spring, with declines accelerating throughout the summer period. Excess supply, combined with a slowdown in Chinese import demand, a Russian ban on the import of dairy products from the EU, Ebola in west Africa and falling oil prices, placed downward pressure on markets in the latter half of the year in particular. The average global price of whole milk powder in US dollar terms fell by 42% in December 2014.

Looking ahead to 2015, the sector is facing some challenges. However, as we progress into February, the outlook seems set to improve. There have been some signs of a stabilisation or uplift in global dairy prices in recent weeks. Dry weather in Oceania is accelerating the seasonal decline in Australian and New Zealand milk production. Recently, the New Zealand dairy co-op, Fonterra, has reduced its milk volume forecast for the 2014 to 2015 season by 3%, reflecting the impact of dry weather on production. Its previous forecast in December had suggested that output would be similar to last season. This will have an impact on the availability of dairy exports in international markets. Recent currency movements, with the euro now hitting a nine-year low against the dollar, as already noted, has made European dairy exports more competitive on international markets.

Looking at the medium to long-term prospects for dairy, there are significant growth opportunities for the industry. Population growth is certainly a key factor in driving the global demand for food, with the world population growing by a little over 75 million people a year, to reach just over 8 billion by 2025. It is a population that is urbanising as it is growing. Today, 54% of the population live in cities, and in ten years that figure will rise to 58%, driven almost entirely by Asia and Africa. It will grow to 66% by 2050, when the world’s population is set to reach 9.6 billion people. That urbanisation, associated with the growth in the middle classes, changing lifestyles and shifting dietary habits toward more protein-based foods and dairy products, is what is really driving growth in the global demand for food. According to an OECD working paper, some 3 billion people will join the middle classes over this and the next decade. It can be seen from the chart that this market will be located predominantly in Asia.

Part of the reason the population is growing, and a major feature of demographic change in the developed world, is that people are living longer. As they live longer, they recognise the link between diet and health. They want to feel better, to look better and to lead an active and healthy lifestyle. Health and wellness is undoubtedly the single biggest long-term driver of change in food markets today, and those who can leverage it effectively through nutrition are those who will ultimately prevail in the marketplace.

This will be a key driver for value added dairy ingredients going forward

In the meantime, that surge in demand finds expression in the latest ten year rolling forecasts from the FAO and OECD, projecting the growth in the global demand for protein, here in the form of livestock and fish products in the period to 2023. The red bars rising highest on that chart represent the exceptional growth projected for the developing countries, or emerging markets; the dark green represent the more sedate growth projected for the developed countries, namely, those in the OECD area; and the lighter green is the average, namely, world demand. It is notable how among the highest growth categories, representing the bars rising highest, are those representing the growth in dairy products.

The scale of growth comes into perhaps sharper relief when expressed in terms of the total growth expected over the period, with total global consumption set to increase by 27% but increasing to 34% in China and more than 40% in Africa and India in the ten years ahead of us. The FAO-OECD projections to 2023 were released in the middle of 2014 when prices were still high, albeit they correctly anticipated the subsequent decline which we have been recently experiencing. As we can see from this chart, they are nevertheless projecting that dairy product prices will continue to remain well above historic levels over the ten year forecast period. They similarly acknowledge that price outcomes are likely to exhibit variations around the projection trend, unsurprisingly, whether due to weather, or other changing conditions. By any measure one might take, the medium-term prospects for dairy remain positive and Ireland, with its international focus and presence in the regions of the world where demand is growing fastest, is well positioned to benefit. Markets will remain keenly competitive and it is a matter for each and every individual enterprise to pursue every competitive edge one can leverage in the global marketplace.

It was with this in mind that in 2014 Bord Bia, in association with the industry, undertook an evaluation among key customers in three target regions - the EU, China and Saudi Arabia as a proxy for the Middle East - to assess buyer priorities, perceptions about the positioning of Ireland and our industry, and the role of sustainability in light of the earlier launch of Origin Green and the sustainable dairy assurance scheme. A common thread running throughout our research was the emphasis placed on security of supply, with some referring to the need to move towards long-term agreements and extending to the search for acquisitions and alliances in China. In this context, the growth potential opening up in Ireland has been a source of keen interest by customers. Similarly, the perception of cost competitiveness and the potential of Ireland based on its grass-based production systems were seen as clear strengths. In Europe, price and quality are not surprisingly perhaps the primary drivers of choice, yet managing volatility is an issue frequently cited as a concern for buyers. The emphasis on price and quality – Ireland is perceived to be strong on quality – does not provide a basis for differentiation and the creation of value according to our research but sustainability does and Ireland is well placed to capitalise on our sustainable, grass based dairy production and the opportunities arising in the global marketplace.

It must also be evident to us all that just as a large and expanding segment of our dairy exports are destined for markets in Asia and Africa, an understanding and insight into the use of our dairy ingredients and products by consumers in different cultural contexts is critical if we are to add value and differentiate the Irish dairy offering and support our customers in these markets. Our consumer insight team in Bord Bia, in agreement with the wider dairy industry, has been working with industry to build these insights through ethnographic consumer research, which involves our researchers visiting and staying in the homes of consumers, shopping and eating with them and looking in their fridges, to better understand consumer attitudes and behaviour. All the faces members see in this and subsequent images are people and families that participated with our team in this research. The research advances our understanding in these markets, supports the industry’s customers, while identifying product and messaging opportunities around dairy products among different demographic cohorts.

We have most recently extended this work to the Chinese market where our researchers spent 300 hours over recent months, visiting and staying in the homes of consumers in Beijing, Shanghai and Chengdu, studying their attitudes and behaviours, conducting brand clinics, and exploring how Ireland can uniquely position itself in order that working with Irish suppliers, including global infant formula players with a presence in Ireland and their Chinese partners, we can build an awareness and preference for our dairy products among premium Chinese consumers.

On 26 March next, Bord Bia is organising Marketplace International where we will bring almost 450 buyers to meet more than 170 Irish food and drink manufacturers. Up to 300 of these buyers will come from overseas markets and on the day there will be approximately 4,500 pre-scheduled meetings.

The sustainable dairy assurance scheme, SDAS, which is an integral part of Bord Bia’s Origin Green initiative, was formally launched by the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine in December, 2013. The scheme is a unique dairy farm standard in that it is a national programme that incorporates both quality assurance and sustainability criteria, and includes the routine carbon footprinting of all farms.

This standard was developed in consultation with all industry stakeholders. It has created a new challenge for competitors, just as it is winning the respect of customers. The aim of the scheme is to demonstrate to our international customers at a business-to-business level that our dairy is produced in a sustainable manner and uniquely we can prove it. The SDAS is currently being rolled out at farm level with 8,454 applications received to date, and a smaller number have been released for audit. We have conducted 4,667 audits. Some 3,793 of those farms are certified and we are on track to have most Irish farmers participating in the scheme by the end of 2015.

The Irish dairy industry - through the Irish Dairy Board and the Kerry Group - is funding a Bord Bia campaign to the tune of €1 million annually to promote the scheme and Origin Green to global customers, with a focus on China, the Middle East and Europe. Bord Bia has developed an Origin Green ambassador programme involving ten talented, experienced and motivated graduates. Their role is to raise the profile and understanding of the Irish food and drink industry’s Origin Green initiative among key audiences internationally; to provide the Irish food and drink industry with a comprehensive insight into global best practice in sustainability; and to be a cohort of executive talent to lead the Irish food and drink industry in its ambition to become recognised as one of the most sustainable in the world.

As part of this programme, the individual Origin Green ambassadors have already undertaken a series of six-month placements in leading international accounts such as Abbott in Colombus, Ohio; Coca-Cola in Atlanta; Fair Oaks Farms in Indiana; McDonalds, currently in Chicago; Marks & Spencer; Metro; PepsiCo; Subway; Tesco; Walmart in Bentonville; Subway; Unilever; and Nestlé. Each one of these accounts is involved in the dairy industry. Some of these individuals have been involved in dairy procurement and sustainability projects within these global leaders, which has had a direct and positive impact on these companies' attitudes towards Ireland as a leading global supplier of sustainable dairy.

This is a world in which reputation is everything. In a competitive dairy marketplace where countries compete with countries, reputation is critical. This chart shows how some 30 years ago, 80% of the value of companies that made up the Standard & Poor's 500 was made up of tangible, physical assets. Today 80% of their value is made up of intangible assets, like reputation. If reputation is so important to the valuation of businesses on the Standard & Poor's 500, it is also important for industries and countries.

While we acknowledge that the dairy sector will experience periods of volatility due to a range of external market factors - in particular, weather - the medium to long-term trend is positive. An industry focussed on market diversification, innovation and adding value, while seeking ways to differentiate itself in an ever-competitive market environment will help to insulate the sector from the worst effects of market volatility.

I would like to thank the Chairman and other members for affording me the opportunity of addressing the joint committee this afternoon. My colleagues and I will be happy to address any questions that members of the joint committee may wish to ask at this time.

I thank Mr. Cotter for that comprehensive overview. I now call on Deputy Ó Cuív.

I thank Mr. Cotter for making his presentation to the committee. The issue of concern that started us on this round of engagements was the effect that volatility in the market will have on farmers. If the market price drops, processors figure out their margin and will drop the price to primary suppliers. The problem is, however, that farmers cannot drop the price of fertiliser or inputs. Ultimately, therefore, in this see-saw operation, a farmer at the bottom will bear the weight of depressed prices.

It is great to tell us that, in the long term, prices must rise if the population increases and the weather becomes worse. That is like telling us that oil prices must rise over time, but we all know that.

However, if one was investing a few years ago, who would have predicted that oil would be at $49 per barrel now? If one had invested on the basis of $100 per barrel, one might not be around to enjoy the $200 per barrel that will probably be the price in the long term.

With all of this ongoing volatility, our concern is about how many farmers will get so squeezed that they will not be there to rise again. On average, 18,000 farmers and 54,000 members of households are affected by this issue. It is not enough, therefore, to say that we can sell more of the product. The price at which the product is sold or, more importantly, the price the farmer will get for the product will determine the profitability for the farmer. One of the concerns we must have is that more of the product with increasingly tighter margins for the primary producer and less room for error might produce a great deal more to sell and be very good for Ireland Incorporated's exports, but it might make the farmer far more vulnerable in the long term.

What message can Mr. Cotter give us in respect of how the scenario he is painting will affect the farmer? We accept the importance of processors and so forth in this situation, but our main focus on this arose from a concern for farmers and particularly for young farmers who might have invested a good deal in the dairy industry in recent times on the basis of expanding quotas and good prices for milk, be it by getting into dairying as a new producer or by rapidly expanding what they already had. They might be very easily affected by volatility and might find their profitability impaired to the point of not being able to sustain their farms.

Our understanding from the Irish Dairy Board is that New Zealand, Australia and the US have special arrangements or trade deals with China. Would it be possible for Ireland to get a similar trade deal or would it have to be a Europe-wide trade deal? Our understanding is that those countries have preferential access and, as Mr. Cotter said, China is a very important market. Could he also outline the price at which China is buying? Unlike many of our other industries such as beef, vegetables and so forth, where much of the product is going on the European Union market, this is traded worldwide. Will we therefore be subject to world prices for the vast majority of our sales in the dairy industry? At present, world prices are not sustainable for the Irish dairy industry. I understand it would be equivalent of 20 cent per litre to the farmer. When we get into these third markets what determines the price to the farmer and what price does Mr. Cotter consider sustainable over the next 12 months or two years? There is a break even point and if it drops beneath that, given the large amount of third country exports this country has, would we be very vulnerable in terms of price?

I thank Mr. Cotter for his presentation. It looked at the world market, potential markets and the growth involved for Irish dairy products. My question is related to the question asked by Deputy Ó Cuív. I do not come from a farming background but I listened to the discussions in this committee and in the Chamber and saw the newspaper reports throughout last year about how the ending of quotas this year was a great opportunity for Ireland and that farmers could step up production. Suddenly, however, there was a crisis two weeks before last Christmas because prices were collapsing. It appears that the farming model in Ireland might not be suited to the expansion that is required or to the potential for expansion that exists. How does Mr. Cotter see the type of farming in Ireland fitting into the expansion that is to be delivered over the next few years?

I am talking here mainly about family-run farms. It seems to me that what has not been said is that they will have to move to industrial-type production rather than the traditional model we have had here. What are the views of the representatives of Bord Bia in that regard?

I thank Mr. Cotter for his optimistic overview of the dairy industry. It is great to see such optimism in the presentation but we all saw what happened with the building industry when the banks threw caution to the wind and handed money out left, right and centre. We all saw where that ended up. I would hope that we could promote caution in the dairy industry in terms of the message we are sending out. Dairy prices are dependent on world markets and we should not get carried away with expansions. Expansion should only be undertaken where it is viable and where those involved will get a proper economic return for their investment.

Earlier this year we had a crisis in the beef sector. Our major export market for beef is the UK but Irish beef was being downgraded on supermarket shelves in Britain. The red tractor brand, which is the brand mark for British beef, was suddenly getting a premium price in comparison to what producers of Irish beef were being paid, partly because there was an oversupply of Irish beef. Is there any danger of emerging markets like China and India developing their own agricultural sectors to such an extent that they will start replacing our products with their own? I know such countries can never be fully self-sufficient, but is there not scope there for them to produce more themselves? Could the premium products that we are trying to promote in China, including infant formula and so forth, be replaced by Chinese products eventually or by products from some other country? We are doing well in China at the moment, but there must be a possibility of other countries entering that market and competing with us in the future. In that environment, Irish produce would become a commodity rather than a premium product. I ask the witnesses to comment on the expansion possibilities in India and China. I know that the latter is a vast country, with enormous variations in terms of weather and so forth, but can its agricultural system move from its current model of peasant farming to one which is capable of competing with us? In that scenario, we will not be able to command premium prices. While I welcome the optimism on display here, I feel that cautious optimism is required because we all saw what happened in the building industry.

I welcome Mr. Cotter and his colleagues and thank them for their very comprehensive overview of the situation. It is important to refer to the reason for this particular discussion today. There is a fear that younger farmers in particular may have over exposed themselves in their quest for the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow. They may not be aware of the possible consequences in the event of price volatility becoming a big issue.

I should say that I am not trying to be negative here. I produce milk myself and know what is involved. Mr. Cotter referenced New Zealand in his presentation and ten or 20 years ago, the dairy industry in that country was quite similar to ours now. Dairy farmers were looking forward to increased production and they also believed that there was a big pot of gold waiting at the end of the rainbow. In some of this committee's previous discussions, however, we have learned that the New Zealand story is not as rosy as we thought. We will find out more about that in a discussion scheduled for later on. New Zealand farmers increased production rapidly and extensively but their profit margins have not increased substantially. Many farmers in New Zealand are to the pin of their collar financially and animal welfare is becoming a major concern.

Even though we were looking forward to being the New Zealand of 2020, we are now afraid that 2020 may not be what it should be.

To pick up on Senator O'Neill's point, China and other new markets are coming on stream, which is very welcome. We need more of them. We are concentrating on China at present and it is the big place to be. Is there a danger we are putting all of our eggs in one basket? As Senator O'Neill stated, in the coming years China's domestic production will expand and we will be pushed out of the market and replaced by locals. They will learn from us and others and they will not want us any more. We will then be in a delicate situation with regard to where we will go. Other markets are being developed but China is the big area.

Bord Bia's ambassadors and initiatives are to be welcomed. When did it begin to ramp up marketing? Have staff levels been increased in recent years? Apart from ambassadorial roles, do members of staff have other specific roles in marketing a product?

We have a good product to sell and serious advantages with Origin Green and our grass-based system. Who are our main competitors when it comes to marketing what we have to sell?

I do not believe Mr. Cotter painted an overly optimistic picture. He addressed reality because in the space of a month the statistics from the Irish Dairy Board reflected the impact of the weather and the fall off and reaction from the Fonterra Co-operative in New Zealand. I have known Mr. Cotter for more than 35 years, and I never heard him go out of his way to set out an unrealistic situation. He deals with reality. Over the past 12 months I have cautioned that Irish farmers and anybody thinking of getting into dairy farming should tread warily and be careful. There is no pot of gold in any dairy enterprise, and it would be foolhardy and irresponsible of anyone to project such as an image, and I have always held this view. People should be very careful in this context.

We had better get it into our skulls, because if we do not we are not dealing with reality, that when China and New Zealand sneeze we catch pneumonia. Let us not think we are kings of the Kop. What we do we do very well, but we make a very small contribution to the overall situation. My colleagues are right that very soon some of the farmers, particularly in the Asian and Chinese markets and ultimately in the African markets, will develop. At other levels we are promoting them to become self-sustaining and to produce themselves. The saving grace is that populations are increasing by 75 million or 80 million a year. This will be critical. Population growth is very important but so is the ability to purchase. The population needs to generate income to flesh this out. This population growth, our quality, reliability and sustainability are important, but I must concur with what Mr. Cotter stated, that it is the intangible assets which will distinguish one in the field. Nobody else will stand still. This is very competitive and we must be on our game or we will lose. Intangible assets such as reputation and technology advantages will be important. It is a function of the volatility of issues such as income and the weather, which come together to leave the market in a state of flux. The new ambassadorial style, what I call in-your-face marketing, is interesting.

Is it specific to dairy, the issue we are discussing, or is it used in the other industries, for example, beef?

We broke into the infant formula market in China because of a problem in that country. If the problem is remedied, what will happen in the long term? We have become the premier producer of infant formula, with top-class products and niche developments that have seen us shine on the world market, but it would be foolish to believe that our position is not subject to threat, notwithstanding the expertise and quality that has gained us our prominence as world leaders. Other people will hare after our position, so we cannot rest on our laurels. This is the story that the witnesses have just outlined. We must continue improving and remain production-focused in terms of the quality and technology that will achieve a market share for us. It is time to batten down the hatches and be wary and not to do anything that is too wild. When headage payments for sheep were introduced, everyone wanted to be a sheep farmer and everywhere one went the fields were snow white. Some people did not even know the difference between sheep and something else. I urge caution and "steady as she goes". We will make it, but this year will be challenging.

I echo all that has been stated by my colleagues. I thank Mr. Cotter for his excellent presentation. Like Deputy Pringle, I am not from a farming background but a small, rural town that relied heavily on the surrounding farming economy. I am increasingly aware of the changes and challenges. In my home town of Drumshanbo, we have a food hub that has developed a concept that I understand is unique in Ireland. There is only one other such hub. Bord Bia has been involved. Hopefully, the initiative will lead to more jobs thanks to much of what the witnesses have outlined.

Are the continuing sanctions on Russia having an impact on food exports? Ireland has been taking a multilateral approach with its European colleagues. Bord Bia does not have a view on political matters, but must the effects that the crisis in Ukraine has been having on us be reviewed?

Regarding the growth in the global middle class by 3 billion people, while the emphasis has rightly been on China and India, it is interesting that Africa will see considerable growth during the next decade as it creates a middle class. What emphasis does Bord Bia place on that market? It is one of which I am not very aware, although a well-known Limerick man heads up one of the largest agrifood companies in Zambia, Zambeef Products. When I visited Zambia seven or eight years ago as part of a foreign affairs delegation, he spoke about how different the African food market was from the European one. Is this a challenge? Is the market different from the Chinese and Indian markets?

While 70% of our dairy exports are sold outside the eurozone, there has been a decline since 2013 in the UK market, which accounts for 30% of those exports. Regardless of the emphasis that has been placed on Asia, how are we positioning ourselves in the UK market? Is it a stable market into which we can sell more food and, in particular, dairy exports? Does Bord Bia have a plan?

It is a wonderful idea to have an Origin Green ambassador because it allows access to the main suppliers of food and drink internationally. What is the medium to long-term ambition of Bord Bia in this regard? I appreciate that it puts high-profile and well-educated graduates into these companies on a six-month placement. Mr. Cotter said the initiative would have a direct and positive impact on these companies' attitudes towards Ireland. I presume the initiative is about sales and increased exports. Is there a plan to increase exports among these companies, who presumably supply a large percentage of the world's food market? Bord Bia knows the percentage, which I presume must be very high.

I am interested in cheese exports. What proportion of cheese exports are from big processors? I refer to cheeses such as Dubliner, Kilmeaden, and the various brands that have been developed. What proportion of exports are from small farmhouse industries? What proportion of exports are pasteurised and unpasteurised? Is there a growing market for farmhouse, organic and unpasteurised cheeses?

Is it fair to say that the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine has made it harder for small producers to do business? I have been told that the reason for this is the fear of an E. coli outbreak or any type of outbreak in Ireland. An outbreak would damage Ireland's reputation and thereby damage dairy exports, particularly to China. France has a huge export market and has lots of unpasteurised cheeses for sale. Is there a reason Ireland must be different and put all its eggs in one basket? As a country, we love, for the sake of simplicity, to keep all our eggs in the one basket, be it construction or inward investment, and in this instance big processors supplying pasteurised products. If one likes chewing gum then I am sure one will love some of the cheeses we export, but other producers aim for a different market. What is Bord Bia doing to protect the latter? What is being done to protect them from attack by the Department? Producers should not need protection from the Department, but it appears the need to do so has increased.

Bord Bia markets all types of food from all sectors, but the Irish Dairy Board also plays a role in promoting dairy products. I ask the witnesses to outline how both boards have meshed together.

Mr. Aidan Cotter

I will first address the question on optimism. I like to think that if members look back on my presentation they will see that everything I have said is referenced. For example, there is projected growth in the world population of 75 million people every year up to 2015, with the middle class growing by 150 million people per year. The projections come from the OECD and the United Nations. The percentage growth in milk demand of 2.4% per year came from the UN Food and Agriculture Organization and the OECD. Everything that I have put forward is based on projections by reputable third parties. Therefore, members can have confidence that projections for the future are as good as we will get in terms of what is available.

The forecast for the future is very positive. The world's population is expected to grow to 9.6 billion from where it is today at 7.3 billion. As a result, there will be a huge growth in demand for dairy products over the period. If we do not supply the products then other countries in the European Union and countries such as Australia, New Zealand and the United States will do so. This is an opportunity for Ireland. The Irish dairy industry - farmers and dairy processors alike - have recognised the opportunity and invested.

They envisage a very difficult year, but they are all taking a longer-term view in the belief that there is a future in the industry because Ireland is good at what it does. Ireland produces its dairy produce from grass. It is one of the most competitive countries in the world at producing milk. It has an opportunity from which it cannot turn away.

With regard to the specific questions, we saw an increase in global production of 9 billion litres last year. There was an increase of 4.8% up to the November period, at a time when demand was growing at 2.4%. This was exceptional and based on the very good weather that all of the leading producers around the world have been experiencing. It is a very unusual situation which means that Irish farmers will face difficult circumstances this year. Prices will certainly be under significant pressure, as everybody has acknowledged. Dairy farmers everywhere will have to face these difficult circumstances. Arguably, Irish dairy farmers are in a better position than many to withstand the difficulties and survive this very difficult period to be ready for the better times ahead.

Not everything is in our favour in terms of free trade agreements. China serves as an example in this regard. As Deputy Ó Cuív rightly pointed out, New Zealand and Australia now have agreements with China, which places them in an advantageous position vis-à-vis Ireland. The United States does not have such an agreement. Such an agreement would have to be forged between the European Union and China directly rather than between Ireland and China. As far as I know, there does not seem to be any immediate prospect of this. However, the Deputy rightly focused on a development that would be very positive for the industry were it to occur.

Deputy Pringle mentioned the family farm and asked whether we are facing the prospect of the industrialisation of farms. Family farms and grass-based production systems are what put Ireland in its advantageous position today. That is what is encapsulated in our Origin Green programme and the sustainable dairy assurance scheme. With regard to our international competition, we have something unique that nobody else has. We have green credentials that nobody else can emulate and which we demonstrate every day. Every 18 months, every dairy farmer submits himself for audit under a unique scheme that includes carbon footprint measurements in respect of water and biodiversity, in addition to food safety and animal health and welfare. We have something that nobody else in the world can point to - namely, our uniqueness. We are green and can prove it, and Irish farmers can compete with any country not only in terms of cost competitiveness and efficiency but also in terms of how we present our unique position and how we differentiate ourselves on the global market.

On the question of whether China and India will replace Irish produce with their own eventually, it must be noted that China has 1.3 billion people and is struggling to feed them. When one considers that the world's population will grow by an additional 2.3 billion by 2050, one realises the market is also growing. China will never be able to feed itself in the manner one might envisage. While it produces milk, it is doing so under very difficult constraints. It may need approximately 40 cent per litre in order to compete and produce profitably. The ICOS representatives, who are to contribute after me, may have more information on that.

Ireland is very competitive in China, just as it is in any other location. It is important that we build our market position while we have an opportunity. There is a window for us to do so. The industry has been very successful in this regard. Everyone involved in it should be encouraged to continue to embed the progress in China.

There are more Irish brands in the Chinese market which are familiar to consumers. This gives us a certain security compared to brands that are not as well known to the consumers.

On the question of whether lessons can be learned from New Zealand, Deputy Deering will know that there are. Ireland can learn and is learning in terms of what New Zealand has done as it expanded over the past 30 years at a time when we were held to our current ceiling. A positive consequence of the difficulties may be that it will make everyone think twice about the level of investment needed in the family farm system and the risks that need to be taken. There are lessons to be learned from New Zealand. I have no doubt but that Irish farmers will take them on board.

On the question of whether we have put all our eggs in one basket with regard to China, out of a total €3.8 billion in exports last year, if dairy-enriched powders are included, €400 million of that €3.8 billion went to China. It is still a relatively small part and we are not dependent on that market in that we sold into 137 other markets last year. Our industry is globally distributed and that will stand to it.

The industry's main competitors are other suppliers in the European Union, those expanding their production, as well as Australia, New Zealand and the United States. We are all competing in a global market and we have to differentiate ourselves in whatever way possible to stand out from those competitors.

With regard to Bord Bia staff levels, members will be aware that Bord Bia has been constrained by the public sector embargo on staff recruitment. We have approximately 90 people and 11 international offices. We are spread thinly but I believe that by undertaking a range of measures we have managed to expand our global footprint. We have approximately 100 auditors working full time on our behalf. They are outsourced but they are working directly as Bord Bia auditors. We have a marketing fellowship programme which puts 20 experienced graduates into the market every year and they are linked into our offices. We have ten Origin Green ambassadors and also graduate staff. We leverage other resources in the marketplace. We have a small core staff but in my view we have a much bigger global footprint that is efficiently distributed in support of the industry. Everybody works to support the food industry. We also have specialist staff for the dairy sector, including my colleague, Mr. David Owens, who is sector manager for dairying.

Senator Mooney has put his finger on the matter with regard to the Origin Green ambassadors. They are opening doors in leading global organisations that would never have opened before. Such organisations are very reliant on the reputations of their brands in the global market. The ambassadors have gained access for the industry. As a result, some of those organisations have visited Ireland for the first time and others plan to visit in the coming months. They are discovering that we have a dairy industry in Ireland that is unique, something they had not previously realised. It may be a surprise to some that companies such as PepsiCo and Coca-Cola, who are global leaders, are involved in the dairy industry.

The sanctions on Russia have presented a difficulty for the dairy industry in particular last year. It has put pressure on dairy markets and when combined with the slow down in Chinese buying, these situations have had a significant impact on the industry's current situation. Senator Mooney also mentioned investment in Africa.

Senegal was one of the markets in which we undertook consumer ethnography research, in which our researchers live with consumers to understand the marketplace. This is an important market for Irish dairy products. We are working with the dairy industry in identifying such markets where we need this type of understanding. We will continue to do this into the future in Africa and south-east Asia in particular. The reason we conduct that ethnographic research is because of the importance of understanding different cultural practices in such different markets.

I will now address our plans for the UK market. The population of Europe will peak in 2020 and will then start to decline, but uniquely the population of the UK is set to grow by 10 million in the next 25 years. That is a market right on our own doorstep. Irrespective of the other markets around the world, we must look at this major important market right on our doorstep. It is the largest deficit market and with the recent depreciation of the euro, we have an extra advantage and a window of opportunity that will last for some time to rededicate ourselves to building our position in the UK market. The Senator is absolutely correct; it is an important market and we must develop it. We cannot ignore it.

My colleague, Mr. David Owens, will address the farmhouse cheese sector which is relatively small in terms of the total cheese output.

Mr. David Owens

The farmhouse cheese sector is relatively small. In terms of exports it is just around 1,000 tonnes, so it might be just less than 0.5% of our total cheese exports. It is quite a small-scale industry but has a large number of very small players. Deputy McNamara might know some of them himself.

In response to the question on pasteurised versus unpasteurised, I am not able to give the Deputy an answer but a colleague who works very closely with the farmhouse cheese sector would know which brands and cheese types are pasteurised.

Mr. Aidan Cotter

Most of the farmhouse cheeses are pasteurised but there are some successful cheeses that are not pasteurised.

Mr. David Owens

It is a small sector in the overall scale of the dairy industry. We work closely with the sector. We attend trade fairs and we are organising training and development courses to upskill those in the sector in terms of food safety, quality and branding standards.

Is there a certain distrust of unpasteurised cheeses in Ireland, given the greater degree of risk from such cheese, but equally is there is a huge market in unpasteurised cheese in other countries? France has probably the largest market and has both an internal and export market for its cheese. Some of these unpasteurised French cheeses are readily for sale in Irish supermarkets. These French products are subjected to less stringent testing than Irish unpasteurised cheese.

Mr. Aidan Cotter

Bord Bia does not differentiate between pasteurised and unpasteurised cheese. We give the very same service to everyone. They have the freedom to market wherever they can in the world and we will help them do so. Wherever there are opportunities, we will work with them and give them every support we possibly can.

What is the case more broadly in Government circles?

Mr. Aidan Cotter

I do not think we can speak for others but all we can say is that we are happy to work with all the artisan and other producers and help them in whatever way we can.

Is that one for the Food Safety Authority of Ireland?

Mr. Aidan Cotter

I will now address the Chairman's question about the interaction of Bord Bia with the Irish Dairy Board. Since the launch of a €1 million annual fund and the introduction of the sustainable dairy assurance scheme, we have established a dairy subsidiary board which has representation from the various dairy processors, from farm organisations and, of course, from the Irish Dairy Board.

The €1 million fund to promote the scheme internationally and to promote Origin Green for the dairy sector internationally is sourced directly from the Irish Dairy Board and the Kerry Group. Everything we do, wherever it is in the world, is in partnership with our industry. That is a basic principle of how we operate right across the food sector, including the dairy industry itself. We do not do anything that is not in partnership, supported by industry and driven by the marketplace. We have a close relationship with the Irish Dairy Board which is a positive supporter of the Origin Green initiative. Hopefully, that answers the question.

I thank Mr. Cotter and his colleagues for giving us an overview of the difficulties facing the dairy industry this year. Managing price volatility is not really the job of Bord Bia. However, part and parcel of Bord Bia's job is ensuring that markets are secured and held. The presentation was encouraging in outlining how Bord Bia is seeking new markets. The overview has to be positive but, as Mr. Cotter will gather from members of the committee, in light of all that has happened in the economy generally, with every opportunity there is always a health warning not to lose the run of ourselves, no matter who is involved. According to the New Zealand model, people have become busier. They are more indebted but are not making more money. There are all sorts of possible issues surrounding the environment and animal welfare as well. That is why it has played on the minds of members here.

I thank the witnesses for attending the committee. I propose suspending the meeting for a couple of minutes to allow them to withdraw, while other witnesses take their seats.

Sitting suspended at 3.27 p.m. and resumed at 3.30 p.m.
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