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Joint Committee on Education, Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 21 Jun 2023

Technological Universities Act 2018: Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science

On behalf of the committee, I welcome the Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science, Deputy Simon Harris, and his officials, including the Secretary General. The purpose of the session is to consider the motion that Dáil and Seanad Éireann approve the Technological Universities Act 2018 (Section 44F) (Appointed Day) Order 2023. The format of the meeting is that I will invite the Minister to make a brief opening statement and members can then ask questions. As the Minister is probably aware, the committee will publish the opening statements on its website following the meeting.

I remind members of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person or entity inside or outside of the Houses in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

I invite the Minister to make his opening statement.

Thank you. I will first comment briefly on the situation at St. Angela’s in Sligo, which is the subject of the first part of the meeting. I am pleased to introduce the draft order, the Technological Universities Act 2018 (Section 44F) (Appointed Day) Order 2023, to the committee. This draft order provides that the higher education institution known currently as St. Angela’s College, Sligo, shall on 1 November become part of the Atlantic Technological University, or ATU, as it is commonly referred to. The order needs to be approved by resolution of each House of the Oireachtas and I wish to thank the committee for considering the matter today.

In announcing its establishment a little over a year ago, I referenced ATU as a new powerhouse in the region and I meant that sincerely. I congratulate it and its leadership, its president, Dr. Orla Flynn, and all of its team for all they have achieved in a short time. This can be seen not only in the regional impact of the new TU but also in the cross-Border, all-island context, with exciting collaborative developments being pursued by ATU with Ulster University, and people will be aware of the announcement yesterday in terms of the expansion of Magee campus and the opportunities this presents.

The further expansion of such a powerhouse will further the reach and impact of the technological university in the region when it gains disciplines provided by the foremost initial teaching education facility for home economics in the country. That is the key point. St. Angela’s has been an absolute leader when it comes to home economics teaching in our country, among other things. The fact that it will be embedded in one of Ireland’s technological universities is a huge opportunity for ATU and St. Angela’s and, crucially, for the region as well. ATU will join with that institution’s proven excellence in other fields, such as nursing and health sciences, which will align with some of the work ATU is doing in places like Castlebar and Letterkenny.

The proposed incorporation would see ATU become the second largest of the five established TUs behind TU Dublin and among the top three or four largest higher education institutions, HEIs, in the country overall, which means the TU in the north west ends up becoming one of the largest universities in our country. As colleagues will know, the TU is spread across eight multi-campuses, rising to nine following incorporation, spanning four counties and offering over 600 programmes at all levels on the national framework of qualifications. This incorporation has been the result of years of hard work and dedicated effort by management, students and staff and, indeed, the wider stakeholder community in the enterprise, business and community spheres. I want to acknowledge this and to acknowledge everyone who has worked so hard and waited so long for this day. People have worked extraordinarily hard to get to this point and it is fair to say it is universally awaited and welcomed by all parties.

I take the opportunity to pay tribute to the Ursuline Order, which has very generously gifted the Lough Gill campus and additional lands to the new TU upon incorporation. That is an incredible legacy and an incredible gift to education in Ireland. In return, there will be legacy recognition of the dedicated service to higher education that the order has provided in Sligo for over 70 years.

This is the first incorporation application process under new legislative provisions and, as the first such application, I was advised by a panel of experts established by the Higher Education Authority which reported very positively to me on the application. The panel recommended, and I agreed, that any incorporation should be underpinned by a legal agreement which sets out the transfer of assets and liabilities between the parties upon incorporation, and which all parties, including the Ursulines and my Department, would accept. I made this a requirement of my decision of approval and the agreement has been duly made and signed off by the parties. I transmitted my final decision of approval to the chairs of the HEIs on 13 June.

The staff of the college are protected as their terms and conditions will be safeguarded, along with their pension rights. As such, I can see only positives in this proposed incorporation. I wholeheartedly commend the draft order to the committee for approval. I again thank all concerned with this incorporation - the presidents, the governing bodies, the staff and the students of St. Angela’s and the ATU, a wide variety of business, enterprise and community stakeholders in the west and north west, the international advisory panel, the Higher Education Authority, Quality and Qualifications Ireland, my Department and the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel, all of which played their roles, statutory and non-statutory, in getting the matter to this point. I also thank and acknowledge the cross-party work on this over a long period of time, both in terms of the establishment of ATU and working towards the incorporation of St. Angela's. I sincerely hope we are in a position to commend this draft order today.

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire agus fáiltím roimhe chuig an gcoiste. Being from the west, I understand the very positive nature of this. The Minister mentioned home economics and my own home economics teacher was, of course, trained in St. Angela's, so I am aware of the impact it has. It is a very positive step for the college.

The Minister might outline the direct benefits that will be seen in terms of having that inclusivity with ATU for the students and in terms of whether it has an impact on placements or anything like that.

On another aspect that I am interested in, I understand that ATU cannot borrow at the moment.

When is it envisaged it will be able to? What kinds of things does the Minister think the institution will borrow for and how will this borrowing be of benefit? Could there be a situation for these students, if different courses come on stream in St. Angela's or wherever it may be, where they might be able to avail of lectures in ATU colleges?

I thank Deputy Mairéad Farrell for her broad support on this issue. Being a Deputy from the west, I know she appreciates the regional importance of this issue as well. The benefits are many. First, I think it is a certainty, for a long number of years I think it is fair to say, that many in St. Angela's have felt they have been left in a degree of limbo-----

-----as they wondered where that college would ultimately end up in the context of the changing landscape of higher education. Settling the question, if nothing else, is of benefit to staff and students. Second, from a critical mass perspective, the institution will now be joining a large entity and one that is fast becoming recognised as a superb technological university. This critical mass will, therefore, be one of the benefits that will accrue to students and staff from joining ATU. This has been a big part of the agenda around TUs in general, in respect of moving from relatively small institutions and trying to get to a point of critical mass. The student experience will also benefit. I know this from visiting St. Angela's. It is one of the most beautiful campuses we have. It overlooks Lough Gill and the setting is absolutely beautiful. From talking to the students there, I know that many of them want to be part of the greater student experience that perhaps can be availed of by being part of a large university.

There is an opportunity now to establish excellence in nursing. Good work is already being done by ATU and St. Angela's. I refer to them coming together and the potential in this regard for joint programmes and synergies. Let us be blunt and say that capital is another benefit. Anyone from St. Angela's watching this session will want me to say this, and they are right. We will be able to assess a very ambitious capital programme, over time, for St. Angela's and ATU. Both are excited about this development. I should have mentioned and I now wish to name and thank the president of St. Angela's, Dr. Amanda McCloat. She has provided significant leadership in getting this initiative to this point as well.

Turning to the borrowing framework question, and I thank the Deputy for asking it, the bottom line is that we need to see our technological universities being empowered to develop and invest. Step one in this regard was getting them set up, which was not a small task. This has now happened. The north east is the last piece of this jigsaw puzzle that we must discuss. The next aspect to be addressed concerns allowing these institutions to embed and grow. Part of this will involve a discussion of academic contracts and another part will involve a discussion of their management structure and capital resources.

Crucially, this will concern access to the borrowing framework. What I and the Government said to these technological universities is that we should start with student accommodation. We should start with them bringing forward proposals on which we can engage with our colleagues in the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform and test the ability to use the borrowing framework for student accommodation. As I know the Deputy will agree, housing is the biggest societal challenge we face. Our TUs have a major opportunity to help with this issue. They can help students and broader housing supply as well. In fact, tomorrow I will be announcing the appointment of some expert assistance to help the TUs to design their own plans for housing-----

-----and I think the borrowing framework should become a part of that conversation.

I thank the Minister.

Does any other Deputy wish to ask a question before we move on from this section? No.

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