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Joint Committee on European Union Affairs díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 6 Dec 2023

Georgia's Application to join the European Union: Discussion

I wish everyone a good morning. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Mr. Teimuraz Janjalia, one of Georgia's Deputy Ministers of Foreign Affairs. I hope I have pronounced his name correctly. He is joined by his ambassador, as well as one of his senior councillors. They are all very welcome.

Before we begin the formal session, we have what we call a note on privilege that I must read out. All witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable or otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to the good name of the person or entity. Therefore, if their statements are potentially defamatory in relation to an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks and it is imperative that they comply.

Members are reminded of the long-standing practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I remind members that there is a constitutional requirement that they must be physically present within the confines of the Leinster House complex in order to participate in public meetings through MS Teams. If members wish to participate they will be asked to state they are present within the confines of Leinster House and if not, they cannot make a contribution.

I begin our session by calling on the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs to address the committee.

Mr. Teimuraz Janjalia

Thank you. Chairman, honourable members, ladies and gentlemen and ambassador, it is a privilege for me to be here speaking to the committee about the European future of my country. The recognition of Georgia’s European perspective in June 2022 created a unique opportunity for us and opened up an entirely new chapter in our relationship with the European Union. It has brought to fruition the long-standing aspiration and civilisational choice of Georgia. It is the choice which is underpinned by the shared European values and principles, and the choice which we have been fighting for and continue to defend. I express our sincere appreciation for the support Ireland has rendered throughout this process. The ever-strong partnership, which we enjoy with the EU is a gain that has been achieved through our joint efforts and it is only through joint efforts that we can succeed further on this path. While Georgia is committed to EU accession, Ireland's example serves as an inspiration for us. The success story that has tremendously benefited from EU membership encouraged Georgia to move forward. Ireland can rely on Georgia as a strategic asset, to further promote the shared European values and interests, and play an important role in supporting peace and stability in the region and beyond.

We already have many success stories to be proud of and Georgia gained deserved benefits. The far-reaching association agreement, the deep and comprehensive free trade area, DCFTA, the visa free travel, a strong security partnership and enhanced trade relations, advanced co-operation in various sectors are most vivid examples. However, to come this far has never been easy. The Russian military presence on Georgian soil continues several kilometres from the capital. Barbed wire and fences in the heart of Georgia are constant reminders of occupation. Kidnapping of our citizens by the occupation forces is a daily occurrence, while Georgia remains a testing ground for Russian disinformation and hybrid warfare. Russia has been methodically and step-by-step intensifying the incorporation of Georgia’s occupied regions into political, military, social, economic, and other systems of the Russian Federation. Statements regarding the establishment of Russia’s permanent naval base in the occupied Abkhazia region further confirms the fact Georgia is increasingly vulnerable and facing high risks for escalation. It is more than evident that Russia uses the occupation of Georgia’s regions and these provocations as hybrid tools to destabilise the situation in my country and put political pressure on the Government of Georgia. We are targeted precisely because of our choice to be part of the Euro-Atlantic family. Two days before the enlargement package of the European Commission was published, which gave the green light to granting Georgia candidate status, a Georgian citizen, Tamaz Ginturi, was murdered by the Russian occupation forces. This fact speaks for itself. Despite this, we stand firm and resolved on our path to become a full-fledged member of the European Union. In this challenging environment, we understand that it will be a long journey, a journey we will take together until the ultimate goal of membership has been achieved.

This is a watershed moment for Georgia. We are just a couple of weeks away from the EU leaders’ major gathering that is going to adopt strategic decisions for our states, but also for the EU itself. The EU’s enlargement policy has always been a geopolitical tool generating momentum for closer engagement with the union’s partners. It continues to serve as an investment in peace, stability and prosperity on the whole Continent of Europe. We welcome the Commission’s recommendation to the European Council to grant Georgia candidate status. This is a clear recognition of the very intensive work done by Georgia, its Government and all state structures that were engaged in delivering on major reforms and legislative approximation with the EU acquis. We very much rely on and expect the EU leaders to support this recommendation. The European Council’s decision to grant Georgia candidate status will pave the way towards the accession talks and in this way anchor Georgia’s future firmly with the EU. This is a historical chance and missing it could be damaging for us and for a Europe whole, free and at peace. We are a European nation. Our place is in the European Union and we will strengthen the Union by contributing to its diversity. There is no doubt that the EU membership comes with long-term commitments and responsibilities. Let me assure the committee that we are not looking for any shortcuts; we never have. The Government of Georgia remains fully mobilised and resolved to continue and further accelerate the reforms in order to live up to our commitments on the path of EU accession.

We have proved our commitment and demonstrated the strongest will to continue key reforms many times, including those envisaged in the 12 priorities. The Commission report published on 8 November recounts the progress delivered by Georgia in detail.

Immediately after the publication of the enlargement package, we developed an action plan on addressing the new priorities defined by the Commission, which was approved by the State Commission of Georgia on EU Integration on 27 November. The plan envisages actions to fight disinformation through strengthening the strategic and institutional framework, intensive awareness raising and international co-operation; creating working groups involving all parliamentary political parties and non-governmental organisations to discuss and take forward our European integration agenda and the fundamental reforms; and reaffirming commitment to continue active co-operation with the EU in the Common Foreign and Security Policy, CFSP, area, including continuing Georgia’s proactive co-operation on sanctions.

We shared the action plan with the European Commission and our partners in the EU member states. We stay committed to continuing intensive consultations with our EU colleagues on advancing Georgia’s EU membership process based on the very good track record of such co-operation we have developed throughout the past months.

This brings me to the issue of progressive or gradual integration, which is being discussed in the enlargement context. Georgia supports any initiative that can help us progress towards full-fledged membership of the EU. Given the lengthy and complex path of membership, which needs all our time and resources, the EU accession process should be supported by concrete prospects of integration into an array of EU policies, primarily the EU Single Market. This has been a driver for Georgia since the conclusion of the association agreement and the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement, DCFTA. We also took note of the growth plan proposed to the western Balkans. We should not wait for some time before applying the same approach to our states. On the contrary, we need to learn lessons from the western Balkans experience and support the lengthy and costly reforms through concrete benefits that pay back on steady popular support.

Speaking about Georgia, we have prioritised enhanced participation in the EU framework programmes and engagement with the specialised agencies as this is one of the most effective ways to learn, and pursue at the same time, legal and institutional convergence with the EU standards. Georgia is already actively involved in several programmes and agencies such as Horizon Europe, Creative Europe, customs programmes and Fiscalis, Europol, Eurojust, Frontex and CEPOL. Furthermore, we have applied to upgrade our status in Erasmus+, negotiate our participation in the Single Market programme and conclude an administrative arrangement with the European Defence Agency.

In addition, convergence with EU sectorial policies through joining different policy mechanisms is an effective way to prepare a country for the membership obligations in certain fields. With this in mind, we have applied to join the single euro payments area, common roaming area and Union civil protection mechanism, as well as launching consultations on the recognition of the authorised economic operator programmes. We rely on the support of the EU institutions and member states to grant Georgia access to various EU sectorial policies as a step towards deeper economic and sectorial integration with the EU.

We are living through extremely turbulent times. The entire world order and international security architecture are being reshaped. The European Union is at a critical juncture in the context of reshuffling its role as a global actor. In our heavily contested and fragile region, we continue to strengthen Georgia’s role as a stronghold of regional peace and stability, democratic development and co-operation, a crucial link on the global connectivity map offering alternative routes for energy and freight transportation and trade in the Black Sea and eastern partnership region.

To facilitate regional co-operation, we continue intensive engagement with our partners, Armenia and Azerbaijan, and we have made concrete steps to facilitate dialogue and functional communication between them, which complements the efforts of the EU. On 26 and 27 October, the Georgian Prime Minister hosted the Armenian and Azerbaijani Prime Ministers on the margins of the Tbilisi Silk Road forum. All sides stressed the crucial importance of peace and stability in the region, which is achieved solely through dialogue, joint projects and co-operation. I must also recall the peaceful neighbourhood initiative proposed by Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili, which envisages full and equal participation of the three countries of the South Caucasus and stands to play a key role in normalisation of relations.

These efforts also go hand in hand with our common interest to exploit the untapped potential of international trade and alternative routes of energy and freight transportation in the Black Sea. Georgia is a crucial partner of the EU when it comes to materialisation of the strategic initiatives spelled out in the EU’s global gateway. We are confident that Georgia’s initiatives, such as the Black Sea submarine electricity cable and the fibre-optic cable, as well as the intensified ferry feeder services in the Black Sea, can offer effective solutions to ensuring energy independence and security, food security and reliable alternative transportation routes. To this end, we are resolved to accelerate the implementation of these initiatives and look forward to close partnership with our European Union partners and European financial institutions. We are confident that Georgia, as a future member state, stands to play a key role in the common good of Europe. I thank members very much.

I thank the Minister for his comprehensive opening statement. He acknowledged that Ireland is very supportive. This Government and Oireachtas and this committee have worked for what we believe to be proper, full enlargement of the European Union that takes account of the Europe we live in today, building a new and larger European Union with the participation of new member states. That is at the heart of our policy perspective.

I will open the floor to Deputy Ó Murchú to make some comments or ask some questions.

The witnesses are both very welcome. It goes without saying that the Georgian ambassador has done incredible work. I am sure if Mr. Janjalia took a walk around, he would realise there is nobody in this place that the ambassador does not know or to whom he has not reached out previously. In fairness to him, he has done fierce work in presenting Georgia's case.

A number of us were lucky to have visited Mr. Janjalia's beautiful country. It is only when one is there that one gets to see and get a notion of the people and the particular issues. As the Chair said, Ireland is supportive of Georgia and ensuring it has a roadmap to accession to the EU. When we made the trip to Georgia, things were not exactly as Mr. Janjalia would have wished them to be around its candidate status. That has probably moved on, however.

I will raise two issues with Mr. Janjalia and then ask further questions afterwards. Mr. Janjalia dealt with some of the actions Georgia is taking to meet the necessary conditions and criteria. How does Mr. Janjalia believe that journey is going? We are talking about the possibility of accession and the language around candidate status once certain conditionality has been reached. How does Mr. Janjalia see that journey going? Is there anything in particular the committee can do to facilitate or help that journey?

Mr. Janjalia also addressed Georgia's proximity to Russia given its game-playing, for want of a better term, which will obviously create difficulties. I will ask some specific questions about that later.

Mr. Teimuraz Janjalia

Regarding the process we have undergone and are following when it comes to the obligations and work carried out by Georgia related to the EU integration process, I underline that this process did not start just yesterday or one week, month or year ago. For a decade already, we have been implementing concrete reforms and following all the obligations coming from the association agreement, which is still the main document when it comes to Georgia-EU relations. This document paves the way for the reforms we are carrying out in my country. At this moment, we have implemented between 50% and 52% of the association agreement and between 60% and 65% of the DCFTA.

That is not our assessment; it is the assessment of the Brussels-based institutions that study such things. We are devoted to continuing this process and to finalising it, which means implementing up to 80% of this agreement by 2025. We are now part of the enlargement package, and accept the association agreement and the DCFTA. We have certain obligations within the enlargement package. We are the only country without candidacy status within this enlargement package. However, I hope we will be a European Union candidate state from 15 December. We have this obligation and are continuing this process.

The Deputy mentioned some concrete internal and external challenges for Georgia. The main external challenge already lies on our path when it comes to European Union and NATO integration. The main reason behind the aggressive policy of this specific country towards Georgia, is Georgia's willingness to be a part of the civilised world, of the European Union and NATO. This country has always tried to stop Georgia from moving towards its main targets. We never did it. On the contrary, even when we had a war with the Russian Federation in 2008, we accelerated the processes of EU and NATO integration and of reform in my country. I mentioned earlier that we do not expect to be granted something. We expect to be assessed properly, and in the way we deserve. We are asking our partners to follow this, and be supportive in this direction. I hope, starting next year, that Georgia, as a candidate state, will accelerate the process of reform. I have already mentioned that we have certain frames and programmes for where we would like to be. We would like to be more active when it comes to sectoral co-operation. We would like to be more active and engaged to feel some concrete benefits from the European Union, as was the case when we had a free trade agreement and a visa-free agreement with the European Union. Our citizens still enjoy visa-free travel within the European Union. We hope to become part of the common roaming area and the single euro payments area within the next year. When I was in Brussels I got some positive messages that the European Union is ready and devoted to deliver concrete results, and make some concrete practices a reality for Georgia. I hope we will be successful on this path. I also hope for the support of the European institutions and EU member states towards Georgia, which will step up its new level of integration with the European Union.

Mr. Janjalia is talking about plans in the area of sectoral co-operation, and looking for benefits from that co-operation with the EU. There are two things to address here. Ireland has a significant number of people coming from Georgia seeking international protection. It is about what Georgia is looking for in the long term from the point of view of work permits or visas, and then addressing that issue. I would also like some more detail. Mr. Janjalia spoke about the tragic circumstances, with Tamaz Ginturi being killed. When we were there we saw the borderisation and all of those particular issues. I would like some detail on those incredibly difficult circumstances, whether we call it hybrid or asymmetrical warfare. It impacts the country and the lives of the people who live there.

I would be interested to hear how Mr. Janjalia sees external players reacting to progressive membership talks, and greater and deepening ties between Georgia and the European Union. Where does he assess the risks or volatility of reactions to that? Russia is the obvious example. I fervently hope come December that candidate status will be able to progress. As Mr. Janjalia will be aware from recent visits to Brussels, to which he alluded, there is a changed mindset within the European Union and the member states. There is a deepening realisation of the necessity of enlargement as a mutually beneficial process for both the European Union and the applicant states. That strengthening recognition of the mutual benefits will hopefully lead to a progressive path. There are obviously issues that need to be addressed. What does Mr. Janjalia feel the external threats to that path of progression might be?

Unfortunately, I have to agree with almost everything the Chair has said, but we do not need to-----.

We agree sometimes.

Yes. For want of a better term, we had the wobble around the foreign agents Bill. I know we dealt with this at committee, and it may be determined at some level that they would present it differently than it may have been presented in the media. Will they also deal with that particular issue in their answer? There will obviously be wobbles on this road, but we need to make sure we both deal with the conditions on either end.

H.E. Mr. George Zurabashvili

Which issue does the Deputy mean?

We had protests in March about that legislation, which, I think, was the foreign agents Bill. I know that was dealt with at an EU level, so I would like it dealt with as part of the wider answer.

Mr. Teimuraz Janjalia

I start with Georgian citizens coming to Ireland to enjoy benefits. There are statistics that Georgian citizens were coming to Ireland looking for appropriate jobs. We are now working with the Irish Government to find ways to allow Georgian citizens to be legally in the country and get legal working permits. I was informed by my ambassador, as well as by a number of institutions, that Georgians are coming to Ireland. They are eager to get concrete work. They are working in an active and good manner to deliver on these directions. We are working with the Irish Government to frame this and bring it to the point where Georgian citizens will be allowed to get work permits and work in the country.

I turn to the current situation, and the risks inside and outside the country. We have a huge challenge in Georgia and on our external borders. We are the neighbouring country of the Russian Federation. The hybrid tools Russia is using around the world are also being actively used in Georgia.

Every day, we face these aggressive steps from them. We already have good experience in practice of how to deal with this. Of course, we need much more effective tools and supports from our partners to deal with what are already quite modern tools of hybrid warfare and the influential policy of the Russian Federation within the region. We are trying and managing to avoid the aggression and threats. As we have seen, and as members will be aware, popular support for EU integration among the Georgian population is now up to 90%. It is not just support from this year or last year; it has existed for decades and never dropped below 70%. This means the Georgian population understands the position very well and sees its future and goal as being within the European Union.

In 2014, the Georgian Government, with the Georgian Parliament, incorporated its main foreign policy directions, which entail EU integration and NATO integration, in its constitution through legislation. Nowadays, each Georgian Parliament and Government that comes into power is obliged to follow this and fulfil all the obligations on the integration process.

These integration processes are not easy, of course. The reforms we are carrying out are quite painful for our population, but this is understandable. For example, only last year did the Georgian Parliament adopt, on the basis of EU obligations, more than 100 new Acts that bring Georgia closer to the European Union. At the same time, however, there are new challenges. There should be some reforms and new regulations adopted within the country.

New institutions have been set up within the country. These are working towards Georgia's EU integration process. They are obliged, in accordance with EU obligations, to have more control and oversight, whether in the public sector or the business sector. This is regarded by the Georgian population as homework that should be done to reach the final goal. The Georgian Government, Parliament and public expect Georgia to be granted candidate status.

I mentioned Russia, hybrid warfare and all the disinformation spread by Russia. However, the expectation of the Georgian population is considerable. If Georgia, the only country in the enlargement package that does not have candidate status, misses its opportunity, it will be really dangerous for it as a country. Also, it would be dangerous for the European Union. As members know, the Russians are always acting on their observations on how to proceed further with their external policy, be it in the closest neighbourhood or wider region.

A question was asked about the concrete legislation that was proposed. This was proposed by the ruling party and discussed in the Georgian Parliament. It faced significant opposition from the Opposition parties within the Parliament and the non-governmental sector. If I am not mistaken, this issue was also discussed last year within the European Parliament. It wanted to regulate the direction somehow and have some modern European legislation. However, the Georgian Government and Parliament saw quite strong opposition, internally and from our partners abroad, so they immediately stopped discussions on the proposed law. It failed during the voting process. It means a political obligation of the Georgian Parliament and ruling parties is never to discuss the law again. Therefore, it is history. If I am not mistaken, it was abandoned in May of this year. It is not going to be back on the table within the Parliament for discussion. It is forgotten history already.

We have concluded questions from members, unless anybody else wants to contribute at this point. I thank the witnesses very much for their time this morning. We very much appreciate it. Does the ambassador want to add anything?

H.E. Mr. George Zurabashvili

If I may.

I was going to conclude by making some very nice remarks about the ambassador. I will let him talk first and then embarrass him with the nice remarks.

H.E. Mr. George Zurabashvili

I will be brief. I thank the Cathaoirleach and distinguished committee members for their interest in Georgia and the next enlargement process of the European Union. Exactly what we need is the support of our allies. Among our best allies in the European Union are, of course, the people of Ireland, the Government of Ireland and the Oireachtas itself. I thank them very much for their long-standing support.

I acknowledge the presence of the Moldovan ambassador and thank her for all her support. Of course, we are very much supporting each other. I hope we will see very positive results in mid-December for ourselves, our partners, and our friends. They will indicate momentum behind the success of Georgia's people and Government and, of course, the steps that should be followed afterwards.

I thank the committee again for the opportunity given to the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs to visit Ireland. There have been very good meetings across political parties and Government institutions.

I thank the ambassador. The Minister should note that in his ambassador, he has a most excellent representative – a representative who does the job of putting the case of Georgia, as he has so eloquently just done, along with the Georgian Government. They are very much among friends here. Moldova knows that as well. Ireland's position and actions and what it wishes to see are very much in step with what the witnesses would like to see by way of enlargement and progression. I thank them very much for joining us.

Mr. Teimuraz Janjalia

I thank the committee very much. It was my great honour to be here and deliver what I wanted for the information and further consideration of the committee. I am very grateful to my ambassador because he is active and doing such a great job that I do not have anything left to do. Time and again, it is important for us to be among friends, deliver all our messages and share all the problems and challenges we face. This moment is a really important one for Georgia. It is a moment for Georgia in which it will need Ireland's support. It needs Ireland's concrete, positive decisions on my country's EU integration. It needs more dialogue on its future and to be more European and a land of peace in the eastern part of Europe, where many things have been happening and are going to happen. I thank the committee very much again.

The joint committee adjourned at 10.50 a.m. until 10 a.m. on Wednesday, 17 January 2024.
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