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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 13 Feb 2007

Vol. 631 No. 3

Mozambique Aid Programme: Discussion with Irish Aid and Concern.

The delegates from Irish Aid and Concern are very welcome to this afternoon's meeting.

Before commencing with the discussion, I draw attention to the recent introduction of new work permit charges by the Ugandan Government. Irish aid workers and missionaries will be affected by a new annual charge of $1,000 for the right to stay and do their invaluable work in Uganda. I am sure I speak for all members of the committee in condemning this absurd levy on those who are trying to alleviate poverty in Uganda. The Government will contribute €35 million in development aid to Uganda this year, in which context we should call on the Ugandan Government to ensure the NGOs and missionaries involved in development aid programmes will be exempt from the charge. Is that agreed? Agreed.

At a previous meeting of the joint committee, it was agreed to pay special attention to Ireland's aid programmes in Mozambique and Vietnam. The committee has agreed to examine both countries closely and produce comprehensive reports unique to each. We have almost concluded our study of Vietnam, the publication of the report on which is imminent. Today, we commence our examination of Mozambique. Mr. Brian Arnold of Agenda Consulting has been appointed to assist the committee in the production of these reports. Mr. Arnold is in the Gallery and is most welcome. He will be supplied with the various submissions on Mozambique that have been made to the committee and may have further meetings with relevant NGOs as he sees fit. In addition to today's presentations, we have received written submissions from GOAL, the Irish Red Cross, Trócaire, the Irish Missionary Union, Irish Aid and Concern. I record the committee's appreciation of the comprehensive submissions which will be of great assistance in the compilation of our final report.

Mozambique is a desperately poor country. Following independence from Portugal in 1975, it endured years of bitter civil war which ended only in 1992. Although democracy was introduced following elections in 1994, it remains a fragile plant.

Ireland has had a development programme in Mozambique since 1996, which has subsequently grown substantially and is now one of our largest country programmes. This year the Irish Aid budget for Mozambique will be €31 million. Our aid programme in Mozambique is based on consultation with the Government and is formalised in a country strategy paper every three years. Poverty reduction is the cornerstone of the programme. The focus of the 2004-06 country strategy paper was on education, health and support at provincial and district level. Ireland has also made a substantial contribution to the Clinton Foundation for its work against HIV/AIDS in Mozambique.

The joint committee will hear shortly a detailed presentation on Irish Aid's programme in Mozambique. Before doing so, I welcome Ms Bernadette Crawford, desk officer with Concern; Mr. Noel White; Ms Marcella Smyth and Mr. George Hegarty of Irish Aid; and Ms Iseult Fitzgerald of the Department of Foreign Affairs. I also welcome to the Visitors Gallery Mr. Seamus Collins of Trócaire and Mr. Fran Flood of Skillshare International Ireland, two Irish NGOs which perform excellent work in Mozambique.

As the joint committee will hear two separate presentations, I ask that they be kept to approximately ten minutes each. They will be followed by a question and answer session. If members agree, I propose to take the presentation by Irish Aid first. Their questions may be taken after the two presentations have been heard. Is that agreed?

Regrettably, some members will be obliged to attend the Order of Business in the Seanad. On their behalf, will the Chairman or another member ask the agencies — Concern, in particular — their view, if any, on the proposed rapid response corps? It will have a direct impact because there was talk about professional expertise and a possible conflict of interest. While I am unsure of this, members are interested in ascertaining their attitude in this regard and whether it coincides with the Minister's statements, as well as those of Dóchas which is also respected by all members and appears to be quite happy with it. However, I understand two major organisations appear to have a difficulty in this regard. As I will not be present, can this question be asked of the delegates when the time comes?

Yes, the issue can be raised.

I thank the Chairman.

Before we start, I must advise the delegates that whereas Members of the Houses enjoy absolute privilege in respect of utterances made in committee, witnesses do not. Accordingly, caution should be exercised, particularly with regard to references of a personal nature. I call on Mr. White of Irish Aid to make his presentation.

I thank the Chairman and members of the joint committee for giving us the opportunity to present the programme on Mozambique. Towards the end of last year I had the privilege of presenting the programme on Vietnam and it is a pleasure and privilege to be before the joint committee again to present the programme on Mozambique. We will find that the challenges that faced us in Asia differ significantly from those we face in Mozambique. I will outline the background to the programme, while respecting the time constraints faced by the Chairman and members. In the time available I will try to give members a general outline of Ireland's bilateral assistance programme, set out its main elements and give an indication as to its future orientation.

As the Chairman pointed out, Mozambique is one of the poorest countries in the world. At present, it ranks 168th of 177 countries on the UN human development index. Life expectancy stands at less than 42 years, while there are serious income and wealth disparities. We have provided considerable detail on these matters in the briefing material and I do not intend to go into more detail.

Mozambique achieved independence in 1975. A peace deal was signed in 1992 following a civil war lasting more than 18 years and multi-party elections took place in 1994, 1999 and 2004. Since the end of the war, Mozambique's economic performance has been consistently strong, with a high average growth rate of 8.1% annually since 1993. Through a decision of the IMF board in 2005, Mozambique benefited from 100% relief on all debt incurred, but much of the growth is from a low base and, per capita, income remains among the lowest in the world. The donor community and the country’s Government believe that much needs to be done to create a more broadly based competitive and productive capacity.

In 2001, the Government of Mozambique introduced its first poverty reduction strategy, known by its Portuguese acronym of PARPA, the main objectives of which are to ensure macro-economic stability, to maintain high and sustainable rates of poverty-reducing growth and to improve social services. It is important to record that progress has been achieved. Poverty has fallen from 69% in 1996 to 54% in 2002. In 1997, 40% of enrolled students completed primary education whereas that figure is currently more than 70%. Completion rates are a key indicator in this matter. There has also been progress in terms of the maternal mortality rate and vaccination coverage.

Despite these achievements, more needs to be done if Mozambique is to reach its millennium development goals. The greatest challenge it faces is HIV/AIDS. At more than 16% or, in some regions, 20%, it has the tenth highest prevalence in the world. I will speak more on this point and Irish Aid's response in the development context.

Our programme was established in 1996 and is the largest of its kind, with a 2007 budget of €31 million. However, it is important to note that additional funds are provided through the Clinton Foundation, NGO partners, missionaries and civil society organisations. The programme's central goal is to assist the Government of Mozambique in reducing poverty through the implementation of its poverty reduction plan. The programme targets sectors with the greatest impact on poverty and health, HIV/AIDS, education, rural development, public sector reform and governance. Our support is in line with the country strategy paper and a new strategy paper for the period 2007-09 is being developed.

Regarding programme aid, Ireland and other donors provide support to the overall macro-economic and budgetary policy of the Government of Mozambique. Donors work closely with it on budgetary policy and engage in a dialogue on key policy areas. The disbursement of funds is contingent on the conditions found in a performance assessment framework.

Health infrastructure is inadequate. It is estimated that less than 50% of the population has access to health care. Irish Aid and other donors work closely with the country's Government to strengthen the sector as a whole and to improve the capacity of the Ministry of Health.

The HIV/AIDS prevalence rate of 16% has exacerbated the problems of an impoverished population. Without an adequate response, average life expectancy in Mozambique could fall to approximately 36 years by 2010. Irish Aid's support for HIV/AIDS initiatives is channelled through Mozambique's National AIDS Council, the overall co-ordinating body for activities in that regard. The programme supports a number of NGOs and community organisations involved in education and prevention activities.

A key element of our support in the matter is our partnership with the Clinton Foundation. In July 2003, the Taoiseach signed an agreement with the Clinton Foundation which committed Ireland to providing US$50 million over five years in support of the work of the foundation in scaling up HIV/AIDS care and treatment programmes in developing countries. A significant portion of those funds is devoted to Mozambique. A new agreement announced in September 2006 commits Irish Aid to continue working with the foundation until 2010 and provides Mozambique with €60 million over the next five years. In 2007, Irish Aid will provide €12 million towards addressing the HIV/AIDS issue in Mozambique through the Clinton Foundation.

These additional resources, along with the technical support we provide, help the Government of Mozambique to introduce HIV treatment into its public health response to HIV/AIDS. Health workers are also being trained in the delivery of HIV services, laboratory services needed for HIV testing are being improved and considerable efforts have been made to improve drug procurement and distribution so that more people can access anti-retroviral treatment.

In the area of governance, we are co-operating closely with several donors on enhancing the quality of governance and strengthening human rights and democratic accountability. Funding is provided to the League of Human Rights and the UNDP in support of parliamentary and prison reform and the development of local media. We also provide support in the areas of education and rural development.

A key characteristic of the overall programme in Mozambique is the support we provide to the provinces of Niassa and Inhambane. In Niassa, we are focussing on rehabilitating basic infrastructure for social services, education and health, including rehabilitation and construction of new schools and teacher training. In Inhambane, we are also focussing on basic infrastructure, including rehabilitation of primary schools, teacher training and adult literacy programmes.

With regard to future support for the programme, the new country strategy currently being finalised will maintain the overall alignment of Ireland's support with the Government of Mozambique's poverty reduction plan. The strategy will give increased allocations to health and education, focussing on the constraints that currently impede the extension of health services and educational opportunities to many citizens. The priority given to fighting HIV/AIDS will continue, with a focus on prevention and treatment. To complement the focus on improving services to citizens, the strategy will also give increasing attention to agriculture, the private sector and employment generation. It is our intention that the programme will present a co-ordinated approach to the promotion of good governance by improving the capacity of Parliament, working to increase the reach and quality of the media and by assisting citizens to organise in support of their needs.

Mr. White has also circulated a more detailed submission to members. I call Ms Bernadette Crawford of Concern to make her presentation.

I thank the Chairman for giving me the opportunity to outline Concern's Mozambique programme for the joint committee. Concern works in more than 30 countries and has been in Mozambique since 1987. The first Concern programmes focussed on relief and support for victims of the war. More recently, in 2000 and 2002, Concern organised emergency responses. We may soon face a similar situation in view of the likely announcement by the Government of Mozambique of an emergency as a result of recent flooding.

The focus of Concern's development programme is on education, decentralisation, district planning and HIV/AIDS. Mainstreaming of issues such as HIV-AIDS, disaster risk reduction and inequality forms an important part of our work. Our programme is carried out directly, as well as with local and international NGO partners and the Government of Mozambique. We currently employ seven international and 120 national staff. The 2007 budget will be €3,242,595, with Irish Aid funding through the MAPS programme up to a figure of €850,000.

We work in three provinces, Manica, Nampula and Zambezia, and have education programmes in all three. Decentralised participatory district planning only occurs in Manica and Nampula but is planned for Zambezia this year. We mainstream HIV/AIDS issues throughout our programmes. We are also involved with four other European organisations in the project Alliance 2015 which focuses on prevention and care.

As we all know, education is a fundamental right and the key in development to equipping individuals with the skills and knowledge they need to fulfil their potential, access entitlements and have sustainable livelihoods. The right to an education is enshrined in the Mozambiquean constitution and has been identified as a priority in the PARPA, the Mozambiquean Government's strategy document for the reduction of poverty and the promotion of economic growth. Several declarations of rights have been signed. The country is also committed to the millennium development goals. We are, however, some way off from achieving these aims. Although admission levels are high, completion rates are still low. At lower primary level, fewer than 50% of girls achieve completion. Only 27% of girls complete their education in the higher primary level. As a result, children are leaving school with inadequate basic literacy and numeracy.

There are a number of reasons there are obstacles to achieving a full education. The capacity of the Ministry of Education, particularly at provincial and district level, to ensure there are financial systems with a flow of resources to that level must be strengthened. Many schools are in a state of disrepair, and there is a lack of qualified teachers. In Zambezia 65% of teachers are untrained and the curriculum is not always relevant.

Given that there is a high illiteracy rate, livelihoods are insecure and many children are kept at home. There are also issues of disease. People have to care for the sick as a result of HIV. Early marriages can also have an effect, as does the school environment. The rate of child abuse is high, an issue which must be addressed. Drop-out rates are also high, while there are increasing numbers of orphaned and vulnerable children.

Concern has been involved with education programmes since March 1996. Education is one of our core competencies. Our focus is on improving access to and the quality of basic education in a safe and caring environment. To date, over 71,000 have benefitted directly from the education programme, including students, teachers, parents and those involved in provincial district education services. We work on a range of levels. School councils are now legitimate bodies and have been set up to improve school management. It is a new concept for parents to be involved in the managing of schools. Therefore, much of our work has been focussed on building the capacity of school councils, on which children are also represented. Therefore, there are issues of power and having a voice on such councils.

We also address issues of infrastructure, including the construction and rehabilitation of schools and resource centres available for teacher training. We look to improve wells in some schools and provide materials. Improvement of the quality of education is a key issue. We have supported teacher training in basic lesson planning, management, student motivation, HIV/AIDS, gender and other areas. We also support district education services in building capacity in supervision. There are many issues in the core education programme that must be addressed.

Another matter on which we work is that of district planning. Traditionally, Mozambique has been centrally organised with planning and budgeting always done at central level. Apart from the national Parliament, no other accountability mechanisms were in place. The province of Manica where we work is approximately the size of Ireland and does not have a parliament. It implements instructions from Maputo with limited or no resource flow to lower levels.

However, legislation has been implemented to place the district level at the centre of development. District administrations are assigned competencies to drive development in the district and have their own budgets. In 2006, they were provided with $300,000 to be managed at district level for the first time. The Government has put in place community consultation mechanisms to improve state accountability and citizen participation.

Concern has been involved in the decentralisation process since it was piloted in the mid-1990s. We see it as a tool to provide services and resources in the poorest areas and to the poorest people. It can provide poor people with a voice in the decision-making process. We adopt a bottom-up approach firmly rooted in community support but reaching out to influence and strengthen the responsiveness of local government.

We work with both the community and the Government on the district planning process, which is about empowering communities to engage in the process. We also support district governments to understand decentralisation and how they can develop district plans. We support a number of forming and functioning local development committees which participate in dialogue with local government. More than 100 communities were mobilised and trained to be involved in the consultative process as a result of which income-generating microprojects were designed and supported.

Concern provides training to community-level development committees on topics such as organisational development, conflict management, leadership and gender. Primarily at district level we work on building the capacity of government to deal with various issues, including understanding the decentralisation process, community participation, budgeting and planning, and HIV/AIDS. We also provide technical assistance through supporting the implementation of district plans.

Financial support for public service projects as prioritised by the community was also channelled through the provincial government to the district. As Concern was involved in district planning for a number of years, it was invited by the Government to develop national guidelines on community consultations. It is also on the donor committee on decentralisation and is considered to have a great deal of experience in the process.

The enormity of the problem of HIV/AIDS in Mozambique was already mentioned, as was the Alliance 2015 project which is being undertaken by five partners, namely, Concern, HIVOS, CESVI, IBIS and German Agro Action. The project focusses on prevention, home-based care and psycho-social support. The programme also recognises that HIV and AIDS are development issues and hamper all efforts to enable communities to become resilient. Concern believes its strength will be in ensuring its education and livelihoods programmes appropriately respond to the reality of the virus.

Concern's strategic plan covers the period from 2006 to 2010. It focusses on education, a new livelihoods programme and HIV/AIDS. The new livelihoods programme is built on district planning projects and aims to enhance the livelihood options of 87,500 poor households in the districts in which Concern works. We focus on building their capacity for self-organisation and interaction with local governance processes and non-state actors, building their capacity to increase and sustain rural livelihoods and enhancing the responsiveness of local government and non-state actors to the livelihood rights and needs of people.

We conducted research on social protection and will continue to do so. Social protection will become a reality for countries such as Mozambique and we must see what will be our role as an NGO in that process. Our long-term vision involves our staying in Mozambique for as long as it remains in the bottom 40 countries, a likely long-term reality.

The political situation in Mozambique is stable and the country enjoys significant natural resources. The level of foreign investment is increasing, a great deal of which has been attracted by the current President, and has contributed to increased growth. There is also a great deal of donor support for the Mozambique Government which welcomes it, while budget supports are increasing. However, the benefits in funds and resources are only trickling down to district level. Natural disasters, including floods and droughts, have seriously affected the country, as have the poor capacity of governmental services, HIV and AIDS. Civil society remains relatively weak, a matter on which we must work collectively.

I thank Ms Crawford for an excellent contribution. In a very short time she set out a broad outline of the work Concern is carrying out.

I compliment the delegates on their presentations and outlining the current circumstances in Mozambique. Senator Norris and the Chairman raised the matter of the possible impact of the rapid response body. From some quarters has come the suggestion that it might constitute a competitor in the delivery of aid, while from others it is claimed that it will act as a co-ordinator. It would be useful to hear the views of Irish Aid and Concern on the matter.

The concept of 100% debt relief introduced in 2005 has been effective. Can the delegates quantify its effectiveness? The measure was heralded as positive, but were there any negative impacts, especially in rural areas?

What is the availability of medicines for HIV and AIDS and how are they being distributed? Is the most efficient method being used to acquire medicines? Are the available financial resources sufficient to meet requirements? How effective have governmental policies and established practices been in curtailing the spread of AIDS and reassuring the population that the battle is being won? Is it being won? How much more is required to make a serious impact? To what extent is the battle on education being won? Can progress be quantified? It is also related to the issue of AIDS and HIV.

I note that the level of economic growth in Mozambique has been remarkable, even if it is from a low base. It is necessary to compare economic growth with the delivery of medicine and education services and everything else a developing economy requires.

I note that there are difficulties in Mozambique with decentralisation, obviously a universal problem. I refuse to encourage the joint committee's guests any further in this regard. Can members be given more information on the flow of resources to district level? I refer to the logistics of the operations carried out, the possibility of improvements and the requirements the delegates believe should be met in smoothing the path in the carrying out of such operations.

I will raise one or two matters. Obviously, we will have many views to exchange during the subsequent preparation of the report. Does Irish Aid believe it has sufficient personnel on the ground in Mozambique to manage its programme? It is a very large country in which it is difficult to operate. Moreover, I noticed that only €86,450 from Irish Aid went through the missionary development fund. I do not know whether the fund decided on this sum; Irish Aid simply may have made a global donation to it. However, when visiting countries such as Zambia, Uganda and Ethiopia, members discovered that although missionaries were present, they appeared to be getting very little money in comparison. When discussing the global fund and the moneys available to Irish Aid, it might be recalled that members generally agreed in this regard. Many of them had relations and friends who were working as missionaries. While the overall amount may have been increased from €12 million to approximately €16 million, if a reasonable number of missionaries are present, the sum of €86,000 seems extremely small.

We are making a substantial contribution to the Clinton Foundation in a region in which it is particularly badly needed. As Mr. White noted, the prevalence of HIV/AIDS, of the order of 16%, is extremely high. We will give €60 million in the next five years. What percentage does this constitute of the Clinton Foundation's expenditure in the region? Perhaps Mr. White does not know offhand or does not know the amount being spent there by the Clinton Foundation, apart from the money we supply. If such information is not readily available, we can examine the issue afterwards. This question struck me as the amount from Ireland seems substantial. While this is highly satisfactory, I raise the issue because, from reading the other material received, my understanding is that the Clinton Foundation's investment is not stated exactly.

The question of agriculture also struck me, as it does in all discussions of this nature. In part, this is because previously I was involved in agriculture in Ireland at a time when we were in a lowly position. I was involved first in teaching and subsequently research and development. In some of the countries in question members have found that it is virtually peasant farming. With 80% of the population dependent on agriculture, one can imagine how low incomes are. It is a matter of trying to get the output to survive. In that context, members made a discovery that connects with another comment made about the many children kept at home. In Uganda, we found that when agriculture was developed at a micro-level, parents were able to send children to school. While they once strove just to stay alive, the situation changed once their small output increased. This all relates to the work being done in vulnerable districts in terms of agricultural teaching in whatever agricultural colleges and schools are there. It appears that they can be fairly effective in increasing standards of production and introducing levels of co-operation in purchasing and so on. I have no doubt that these people will be abused in purchasing. It happens everywhere. It happened here for many years before the co-operative movement began and then the EU established producer groups to bring small groups together in the interests of being more effective. Do our guests know anything about this aspect as it is fundamental to development and schooling?

On encouraging business skills in a growing economy, would Irish Aid consider giving more direct assistant to Mozambique through grants or scholarships to young business people or via relevant Irish agencies, such as FÁS, Enterprise Ireland or the IDA? People are considering this issue, which would relate to the work on microbusinesses.

A teacher exchange to train teachers would be valuable. We should have an education element in all of our programme countries. I was glad the Minister for Education and Science made a training arrangement while in Zambia last week, but we should do this in all cases. If we pick African countries as programme countries warranting special attention, other Departments should provide back-up in a co-ordinated and substantial way because they represent our people, not themselves, trade unions or anyone else. We get too self-centred and caught up in the pressure to have more and to be better. We have wonderful expertise, particularly in terms of education and training. In terms of primary teachers and training colleges, Ireland is among the three best countries in the world. We should make more use of such an important resource.

As I have an interest in mine clearing, I was very pleased that Ireland has contributed significantly to mine clearing in Mozambique. Will our guests update the committee on how successful that has been? I appreciate that it is a complex and difficult process. I understand Mozambique had the largest amount of ordnance per head of population or per square foot in the world because of the number of landmines left behind after the civil war. Given that Ireland has taken a proactive stance in this regard, Mr. White might indicate the progress made and the amount we are contributing.

I will ask Ms Crawford to address the question on decentralisation. I will attempt to address the remaining questions and ask members to remind me of any I miss.

I sense Deputy Durkan's question on the rapid reaction corps should be directed elsewhere because both the Minister and the Minister of State spoke at length on the issue yesterday and the matter is clearly related to Government policy. With regard to whether particular difficulties will arise, we have set out the sequence by which the corps will be established, the first stage of which has been initiated. It is up to others to raise any difficulties they may have.

Will liaison be maintained with people on the ground?

That is our view. I am aware that concerns have been raised. We have tried to address them directly with NGOs. There is little l can say on the matter today but it is important to note that the origins of the rapid reaction corps lie in the White Paper which was the result of a detailed and extensive process of consultation with NGOs and other stakeholders.

Mr. Hans Zomer, director of Dóchas, the umbrella group of Irish aid NGOs, stated in a letter to the committee that Irish aid agencies were deeply committed to maximising the impact of aid from Ireland and that our aid programmes should be of the highest professional quality and provided in ways that built on rather than displaced local responses. He was of the opinion that the Minister's initiative struck an appropriate balance between Ireland's current capacities and the needs of disaster victims. The initiative is intended to build on the experience amassed over a long period and to ensure skilled personnel are ready when necessary.

Deputy Durkan also asked about debt relief and HIV/AIDS. The figure for debt relief is US$153 million. In identifying direct consequences we are working closely with the Government of Mozambique. Our country strategy is in line with its poverty reduction strategy. Debt relief will free the Government to devote resources to other essential areas of poverty reduction, including, in particular, education, health, HIV/AIDS and agriculture measures. We have had constructive engagement with the Government and provide assistance through a series of modalities because that is the most effective approach. We also co-operate closely at provincial level. Our sense is that the Government is constructively engaged and increasingly has the space within which to act, although it clearly needs a lot of help.

The millennium development goals are a good reference point for gauging the progress the Government has made towards reaching its targets. The picture is mixed. Progress has been made in education enrolments and finishing rates, as Ms Crawford noted. It is quite clear it is insufficient and more must be done.

Hovering above this is the HIV/AIDS issue. In having a joined-up approach to what we are trying to deliver in Mozambique, be it through direct support to the exchequer, sectoral support to education and health or support to the provinces, we must hit the key areas of HIV/AIDS, health, education, etc. The ultimate result will not be satisfactory unless we do so, as all these issues are connected.

I will speak on AIDS because Deputy Durkan mentioned it. Significant sums of money are going into Mozambique. I am not an expert in the area and we have people dealing solely with HIV/AIDS. Our sense of the issue, both here and in general across the Mozambique programme, is that the challenge is always one of resources. There is always the capacity to use more resources if they are available. Equally important is the deployment of those resources in the most effective possible way. Ms Crawford and the Chairman, who is familiar with the area, would agree on that.

The Clinton partnership is innovative and we are constantly looking for this kind of new, interesting and useful partnership. The results are good. I mentioned ARVs, which is access to anti-retroviral treatments, generally used as a good indication of where we are going on the HIV/AIDS issue. At the end of 2005, over 20,000 people are on anti-retroviral treatment, which is on target. Of that figure, 58% are women.

There are 38 sites currently offering anti-retroviral drugs. I will not burden the committee with too many statistics but they are relevant. Some 83 health facilities offer services to prevent the transmission of HIV from mother to child during delivery and 75,000 women have accessed HIV counselling and testing services. There are 158 sites offering voluntary HIV counselling, with 35,000 people receiving home-based care through health units and organisations.

Nevertheless, the challenges are still there. Less than 10% of those in need of HIV treatment are accessing it, and only approximately 50% of mothers testing positive for HIV are receiving the necessary treatment to prevent transmission to the unborn child. Fewer than 3% of those currently accessing treatment are children.

I could go on citing statistics but the committee can see the balance. It is moving in the direction we would want and we are very happy with the partnership, which is the reason Ireland signed up to it a second time. There is hope for it. We have also engaged with the Clinton Foundation in Lesotho, where we have a similar programme. It has been broadly acceptable. It is important to mention that the statistics date from 2005.

With regard to the flow to the district level, we still have a very close engagement with Niassa, which is the poorest of the provinces, and Inhambane, with a view to trying to gauge the extent to which the support we are providing through the central avenue is impacting on the ground. It also allows us to learn lessons from what is happening on the ground and bring that knowledge back for use in the dialogue we have with Government and other donors at the central level.

It is important for us to keep this balance. Another way of putting it is that the engagement in Niassa and Inhambane keeps us grounded in the realities of what people are doing. We are constantly trying to engage in the area of service delivery in these key sectors. I have mentioned infrastructure but service delivery is what we measure this by.

There is progress but we could always make more. There has been movement on the issue of decentralisation with the passage of legislation for provincial elections in 2007 and municipal elections in 2008. The general elections will follow in 2009. We feel the provincial elections will have a fundamental impact on the management of the provinces and in trying to devise our new country strategy, we are looking to ensure we will be ready to react and give the aid where it is required. In Niassa we work with other donors, particularly Sweden, to target and harmonise the project so that too many donors do not impact on the local administration. We work closely with the administration and have small offices in both Niassa and Inhambane.

The Chairman correctly asked about agriculture. Due to time constraints I passed over education and rural development during the opening presentation. Agriculture and rural development are important aspects of the programme. In 2007 we foresee a budget of approximately €2.9 million which will support the Government-led sector approach known as PROAGRI. A pooled mechanism is available at national level. We have direct input to the agriculture Ministry to ensure the formulation of policy responds to the needs of the people.

We also work in the provinces of Inhambane and Niassa to ensure as far as possible that the impact of our input at the centre is felt in agribusiness at provincial level. We are examining increasing our private sector engagement throughout the programme. The agribusiness sector will be a key element. In Inhambane we have an extremely successful engagement with a US NGO, Technoserve, in the production of cashew nuts. This had a real, solid and tangible impact on agribusiness in Inhambane. We hope to take the positive gains from the model and apply them elsewhere in the programme.

Our approach is to enhance our engagement with the private sector throughout the programme. We have a tradition of engagement in the social sectors. We have private sector engagement in all our programme countries and we want to increase the support and be a catalyst to create the conditions which will allow the local private sector to flourish and become an engine of indigenous economic growth.

The possibility of exchanges of business skills was mentioned. Last July, the Minister announced the establishment of Traidlinks, a not-for-profit organisation which deals specifically with private sector engagement. It has two or three key objectives and is supported by Irish Aid. Traidlinks manages an umbrella brand of products, Heart of Africa, which was developed with farmers in Uganda, Mozambique and elsewhere. Some of these products are available in Irish supermarkets.

Our objective is to engage the Irish private sector in support of the development agenda. A good skills match exists and the business community is extremely willing to become involved and help out. We seek the mechanism through which we can support this and make it happen and Traidlinks is extremely useful. Its objectives include mentoring and skills exchange with private sector operators. In many cases, these will be involved in agribusiness and food processing and production in developing countries.

We work closely with Traidlinks and provide support so that what we do and what it does complement each other. It must be moved to a different level and we must tap into the expertise which exists here. Such a skills exchange could take the form of exchanges, fellowships or scholarships. We are currently considering what is feasible and manageable.

Reference was made to engaging with other Departments on the issue of education. A sum of approximately €100 million, which represents a significant proportion of the overall programme budget of €830 million, is managed by other Departments, especially the Departments of Agriculture and Food and Health and Children. I am not clear on the role the Department of Education and Science plays, but it may also have access to funding. The fundamental point is that there is engagement with other Departments. The White Paper foresees the establishment of an interdepartmental committee to provide a forum in which the skills and knowledge bases across Departments could be brought to bear on the programme. The visit of the Minister for Education and Science last week was very helpful in that context. It makes a point about what we have and what it is possible to deliver. We will see closer engagement with other Departments in the coming years in the implementation of the White Paper.

The distribution of funds to missionaries is organised through the IMRS. I am open to correction but there appears to be a relatively small number of Irish missionaries active on the ground in Mozambique. My sense is that these are the key factors which explain the figure set out.

The availability of resources is always an issue, which is why one tries to match ambitions with what is available to ensure they can be fulfilled realistically and in a way that adds value to what we are doing. The White Paper foresees a management review process which will be under way shortly to consider the spread of resources across an expanded programme. We are always driven to achieve the objective of delivering a quality product, which is facilitated by the excellent expertise available on the ground in our own development specialists and locally recruited management and other experts. Through this combination we set out to provide the quality product required of us.

Mozambique has lost the dubious title of being, per capita, the most mined country in the world. Laos in South-East Asia, where we are also active, may now hold it. Interestingly, the HALO Trust, with which we have worked in Mozambique and continue to work in South-East Asia, has been a very good partner in this context. Work is under way on a strategy to have Mozambique declared mine-impact free by 2009. This is the kind of issue which requires a joined-up approach. We try to link work on mines with that on agriculture to ensure that when land is declared mine-free, it becomes equitably available to those who need it and that they have the capacity to exploit it properly.

How much does Ireland contribute? There is no reference in the briefing documents to Ireland's contribution to the de-mining process, which I would have thought we would be proud to trumpet. I accept Mr. White's point about agricultural land becoming available but there is no reference to the removal of mines.

I would hate to be the first person to have to plough that land. Perhaps Mr. White can provide the committee with a note on the de-mining process. It would be very useful in compiling our report.

It is not Mr. White's fault. It is interesting that this matter does not appear to be on a priority list. While I do not wish to make an issue of it, I raised the matter because of the absence of information.

We can provide the Senator with additional information. He will appreciate that any lack of prominence in the papers provided by Irish Aid does not reflect disinterest in the matter.

Absolutely not.

In the time available we try to give the overview with as much detail-----

I appreciate the delegates' focus on the more important issues.

This is among the more important and we will try to provide the Senator with a precise breakdown of our contribution to the HALO Trust which we have used in this regard.

While I do not wish to labour the point, is it correct to state that Ireland is one of a small number of countries making a financial contribution and that not all countries have done so, even those involved in providing overseas aid?

As far as possible, we try to work with other donors in order that we do not all operate in the same places at the same time. In that way, one maximises the impact.

I will raise two further matters, one of which has just come to mind. The first concerns corruption levels and how the delegates envisage it. This issue has not been raised previously, although I understand Trócaire mentioned it as a problem in its submission.

Second, as Mozambique has a lengthy coastline, is there any fishing activity? The delegates will be aware that with the benefit of agreements, European vessels have been fishing all along those coasts. When one Irish vessel did so, there was something of an outcry about its plundering of the seas. People said nothing about the dozens of ships from the other nations that had made similar agreements. Have the delegates any comments to make on the development of an indigenous fishing industry, the agreements such countries make with others or the experience in Mozambique? There may be cases in which it is difficult to get payment if one does become involved in this regard. While the delegates may not have any material readily available on this topic, it would be interesting to acquire some information on it for our report. It crops up every so often, especially in the EU context. Our great friends and colleagues in the European Union were happy to exclude Ireland from rights to fish in such regions, while they fished away merrily themselves. It would be interesting to learn how this operates from the perspective of Mozambique, as well as the development of its local fisheries.

An additional question concerns the delegates' opinion on the degree of co-operation from the Government in the elimination of AIDS. I refer to matters such as treatment, central purchasing, co-ordination and degree of emphasis. The Chairman has mentioned the other point in respect of fishing and, for want of a better description, the marauding trawlers.

To what extent has Irish Aid evaluated the positive impact of CAP reform on African countries? As the Chairman has noted, some of the measures were not exactly welcomed in Ireland for obvious reasons. However, there was acquiescence on the basis that they would be of direct benefit to the farming communities under discussion. It has been suggested that the impact has not been highly visible, in so far as that group of poor farmers, rural workers or inhabitants of African countries are concerned. Has Irish Aid seen evidence on the ground that might give some indication of what is happening? The suggestion is that CAP reform has been of greater benefit to the multinational corporations involved in food production than to poor farmers anywhere.

Does Ms Crawford, whose contribution was excellent, wish to add anything while Mr. White considers the Deputy's questions?

Tackling HIV/AIDS is critical. Access to anti-retrovirals and services is crucial. However, many people do not have access to them. In Mozambique gender is the key, an issue which must be addressed if HIV and AIDS are to be tackled. I am referring to empowering women to protect themselves, an issue in a country in which women are not empowered and cannot protect themselves in their own households. A friend of one of my colleague's knows that her husband sees a number of other ladies, but she cannot get him to wear a condom.

That is not unique to Mozambique.

It is not.

The committee recently discussed this matter and I related my experience of visiting Zambia which has a male hierarchy that refuses to allow female partners to be tested. What is being done about this matter? It is a large cultural issue in Africa which has a male-dominated society. I have often reflected on the horrific figures in various countries. Mozambique is a typical example. Despite the availability of money, resources and education services, this gender issue is about empowerment and a society's culture.

Previously I made the unpalatable comment that some men in Zambia believed they would not get AIDS or HIV by having sex with babies and children. I am sure that is also the case in Mozambique and South Africa. For someone from the West, it is an horrific scenario. How is the issue being addressed? Are governments getting involved or is there a reluctance to tackle the matter? In hospitals I saw women who could have been tested or had been tested, but were prevented from having further contact with the clinics. Men operate in a society in which they can have as many women as they like, but we know the consequences for a woman who acts in the same way. I apologise for interrupting Ms Crawford, but she raised an issue. Is she aware of specific proposals to address it?

It is a complex issue in many countries. Cultures are not permanent. While it will take a long time for attitudes to change, there must be a change in behaviour. Concern is not involved in behavioural change programmes specifically. Building civil society and empowering women through many avenues such as education and livelihoods initiatives will take a long time. I do not know whether Irish Aid has specific proposals in this regard, but attitudes and behaviour are complex issues.

I do not expect an instant solution.

A number of organisations have been working in this area but they still have not solved the problem. However, it has to remain on the agenda.

I apologise for my late arrival but I assure our guests that I will read their presentations as I am very interested in the issues under discussion. I could not come earlier because I was attending a funeral.

The empowerment work of Concern, for example, through building decision-making processes at village level, is impressive. Assisting governance has three possible meanings. The first involves the imposition of the concept by the World Bank and refers to transparency of transfers at the macro-level. The second meaning involves training in a public administration sense. However, I am most interested in the third meaning, namely, the recovery of indigenous forms of decision-making which flow from long histories and memories. A practical example of this third meaning comes from Somalia, where it was clear that the clan system was the only mechanism to advance civil society or deal with the issues created by the two warlords in Mogadishu. However, the clan system was never really acknowledged because it was perceived as traditional or historical.

I see a certain prejudice in the literature on governance which almost suggests Africa as a continent without memory or history. At the same time, much of the discourse, which is controlled by outside agencies, comes from elites in the capital cities. I am interested in learning the extent to which the discussion on governance seeks to recover history and memory. In the nineteenth century, Africa was inundated with anthropologists who viewed Africans as exotic but hardly any remained in the continent after independence in the 1960s, and very little use was made of social anthropology as a tool for discovering indigenous and appropriate means of decision-making.

This committee has expressed its view on the degree to which our reputation has been damaged internationally by the predatory activities of the Irish ship which is not only over-fishing but is destroying species and demolishing the ecosystem off the shores of Mozambique and elsewhere.

I ask Ms Crawford and Mr. White to make their closing comments.

We are facing a significant issue in Mozambique in terms of the downward flow of funding. A sizeable amount of funding is being invested in the country, representing up to 50% of the budget of many Ministries. However, due to Mozambique's history, skills have been lacking in the post-war period and support for capacity building and professional skills development is vital.

Procurement policies and practices are lagging behind decentralisation processes. For example, districts have budgets but tendering for schools has to be done at provincial and national level, which results in major delays. Some of the modalities which are in place -----

May I interrupt Ms Crawford? Professor Svensson's work on Uganda showed that where a local newspaper published the details of the transfers agreed centrally, there was an improvement from a figure of approximately 86% going missing to only 23% in five years.

That is significant, as part of the process of working with communities involves empowering them to know what exactly is available. We are starting to work much more with community radio stations which are available in every village in Mozambique. Such mechanisms help to inform people of the system and their rights and entitlements. If this happens, the people can call on the Government to provide such entitlements and fulfil its obligations.

I thank the Chairman for providing scope for additional questions.

Deputy Durkan asked about the specific engagement level of the Mozambican Government with regard to HIV and AIDS. As a general proposition, we find Mozambican to be a constructive environment in which to deliver aid. We deliver much of our aid through government systems because we are broadly confident the systems are in place and there is the political will to deliver services to the lowest possible level, that aid will trickle down to provinces and districts.

On AIDS, we are working through the National AIDS Council. Although we have formed a major partnership with the Clinton Foundation, we are very much linked to the Mozambican Government's poverty reduction strategy, through which we are working. The National AIDS Council is central to what we are doing, because we believe the people concerned are viable partners.

I will mention the issues of governance and corruption in general. One does not normally like to take these in the same breath because there is a tendency to conflate them. I constantly try to talk about the broader issue, as Deputy Higgins has pointed out, around governance. We are engaged in supporting governance initiatives, a central balancing element of a programme in any programme country. These are complex environments in which there are difficult delivery issues. For example, there are matters involving corruption generally. Mozambique has its problems and challenges but broadly we see it as a conducive environment in which to operate.

I refer to the Transparency International corruption index which gives us a sense of what we might be dealing with, although this is a very inexact science. It is, however, a useful reference point, although it does not present the whole story. It has a static figure of 2.8 between 2005 and 2006 on the score chart of Transparency International, a reputable organisation which we support. The Irish figure is 7.4, provided as an indicator of difference. There was a slight disimprovement between 2005 and 2006 in the country's overall ranking, as it fell from 97 to 99. However, we should be careful of the ranking, as it is an inexact science. It could, for example, be affected by the entry of new countries in the overall list. There may not have been any change on the ground in corruption levels. An anti-corruption law has been in place since 2004. There is also an anti-corruption strategy in place which we support. We are supporting governance initiatives, particularly on parliamentary capacity level, which Deputy Higgins mentioned, through the UNDP. We are also working through the local media, particularly local radio stations.

We always try to emphasise the joined-up overall approach. We mentioned the private sector, including agribusiness, etc. It is clear that each of the parts is interlinked and that if we can create in the private sector, for example, the business environment which is conducive to local economic growth, we can create an indigenous demand for better governance. Studies have shown this to be so. This is the kind of issue which concerns Deputy Higgins. We work in partnership, a key principle of Irish Aid wherever it works. The idea of imposition does not arise in this context, as the environment is conducive. There are issues which broadly we address. We continue to work closely with the authorities.

I deliberately did not address the Chairman's question on fisheries. With his permission, I would prefer to provide the details later.

I thank all of the delegates. As I pointed out, these contributions will be valuable in assisting the committee to prepare its report on the Irish Aid programme in Mozambique, a developing country with serious needs. What we heard today confirms my view that helping Mozambique meet those needs deserves Ireland's support as a priority country in our official aid programme and through the work of Irish NGOs active in the country. It is worth recalling that the White Paper published by the Government last September indicated that Africa would remain the principal geographic focus for Irish Aid. Africa's needs are clearly the most pressing. From what we heard today, Mozambique's needs are among the most pressing in Africa. We congratulate Irish Aid, Concern, Trócaire, GOAL, other bodies and NGOs involved there, as well as missionaries, on their continued focus on where the needs are greatest. We wish them well in their work in Mozambique and elsewhere in Africa.

I thank Ms Crawford from Concern, Mr. White and Ms Smyth from Irish Aid and Ms Fitzgerald and Mr. Hegarty from the Department of Foreign Affairs for coming before the committee and the contributions they made. We will speak further.

The joint committee went into private session at 3.35 p.m. and adjourned at 3.50 p.m. sine die.
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