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JOINT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 6 May 2009

Road Network: Discussion with Slane Action Group.

The next item on the agenda is a discussion with the Slane action group. I draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege, but this does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses, or an official, by name or in such a manner as to make him or her identifiable.

At this stage, I should like to welcome Mr. John Ryle of the Slane Action Group, Mr. Ciaran Baxter, chairman of the Slane Community Forum, Ms Norma Kealy and indeed all the interested people in the Visitors Gallery. They are all very welcome.

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for the opportunity to address it as regards the ongoing problems of traffic in the village of Slane. I am the chairman of the Slane Community Forum, which is representative of all the social, community, sporting and residents' organisations in the parish. With me is Mrs. Norma Kealy, who was one of those involved in the most recent incident when a large truck ran into the rear of another truck, which was then driven into seven cars. She will tell the committee her story and that of the other women involved. We also have Mr. John Ryle from the Slane Bridge action group, which was formed in the aftermath of a horrific accident at the bridge in 2001.

I wish to concentrate on the impact that the current traffic situation is having on the environment, business and heritage of the village. Slane is an estate village founded by the Conyngham family in 1760. Slane is situated at the junction of the N2 and the N51. It is a busy place, with traffic streaming through it at the rate of approximately 14,000-15,000 vehicles per day. This volume of traffic has left it impossible to do business in the village. It is impossible to park or to cross the street. At peak times, it is like standing on the central reservation of a busy motorway. Despite a threefold increase in the population over the last 20 years, at least 12 shops have closed and tourist numbers have fallen dramatically. In 2006, the forum commissioned Professor Philip Geoghegan of UCD, a renowned expert in the field, to produce a village design statement, a copy of which we have provided for the committee. This was jointly funded by the forum and Meath County Council.

On page 63 of the report, section 4:2., Philip Geoghegan refers to traffic amelioration.

It has been very surprising to an outsider to observe the resignation and philosophical attitude towards the continuing danger, which daily threatens the village due to traffic. It is actively damaging the fabric, the businesses, the health and well-being of people who live in Slane, yet there is little firm commitment to overcome such a huge problem. A firm commitment to the making of the bypass, with further measures to reduce that happening, is essential to any meaningful drive to implement the most far-reaching proposals in this report.

There is now a steely determination to get a bypass of the village and to find a real and safe solution for the traffic problems there. We do not want to be fobbed off by empty promises of something being done in the remote and unforeseeable future. There have already been enough studies and explorations, the cost of which would have gone a long way in building a bypass. What is needed now is action.

From an economic, health, safety and environmental point of view, our case is solid and incontrovertible. It is vital that we be given a firm date for a commencement of the bypass. It is our intention to get such a commitment and we intend to use all means to achieve this.

Ms Norma Kealy

I would like members of the committee to consider the following. How would they feel if their lives and the lives of their families were in constant danger every day? How would they like to be afraid to cross the road in their village or town? That is what living in Slane is like these days, and that is why we are here. How would committee members like to live in a village where over 22 people have been killed and the people who were supposed to do something about it had dragged their feet and kept putting off key decisions and action during that time? They would probably feel very angry and demand that something meaningful be done as a matter of urgency, and that is why we are here.

My name is Norma Kealy. I am one of a group of mothers who survived the latest crash in Slane and I am speaking today on their behalf. Let me tell the committee briefly what happened on Monday, 23 March. That morning, we had just dropped our children off at the local national school. We were driving southwards along the N2, down the steep approach to the crossroads in the centre of Slane village. My three-year-old son was in the back of my car and one of the other mothers had a 19 month-old baby with her.

While stopped at the red light, suddenly there was a loud bang from behind. In our rear view mirrors, we saw a HGV coming towards us, with no sign of slowing. We knew immediately that our cars were going to be hit, but there was absolutely nothing we could do and for the majority there was nowhere to escape to on this confined section of roadway. Several violent impacts followed as the HGV ploughed down the hill through the traffic, the force of its momentum smashing our cars into each other. One car was flipped onto its roof and another was pinned between a truck and a telephone box. I speak for everyone when I say that we will never forget the shock, fear and panic we all felt in those few moments. Members have seen the photographs of the blue car against the telephone box. The occupant of that car was still in the car at that stage and had to be cut out of her vehicle.

When everything eventually came to a stop, I got out of my car with my son and I could hardly believe the scene of chaos and destruction around me. In the minutes following the crash, it gradually became clear that by some miracle, nobody was dead or seriously injured. Most of the impact had been absorbed by a smaller truck that by pure chance happened to be directly in front of the HGV. Had that truck not been there, it is almost certain that the HGV would have caused several deaths and many serious injuries.

Analysis by the Garda Síochána of traffic collisions put Slane in the top 1% of most dangerous roads in the country. Few, if any, of these roads cuts through the heart of a small rural village and pass directly in front of a primary school. The crash happened immediately after the morning school run. If this pile-up had occurred just ten minutes earlier, the results would have been catastrophic. The victims would have included even more children. Over the years, many children have been caught up in a number of incidents, most notably the bus crash on the bridge in 1985 involving 46 children and the tragic and completely unnecessary death of two year old David Garvey in 2001.

These crashes are not accidents. No one in Slane is surprised when they happen. The only real accident in our case was our survival. This crash should not have happened. Action should have been taken long ago. The village of Slane needs a bypass. Unless something is done, the one certainty is that there will be more crashes and more deaths.

There are 22 white wooden crosses mounted on a wall close to the bridge in Slane. These represent those who have lost their lives on this most treacherous stretch of road because of years of inaction. There could be several additional crosses there now, including one each for me and my son. The trauma and distress we experienced that morning is something we will never forget. We are reminded of it daily as we go about our lives in our village. We have no choice but to sit in that very same spot, looking in our rear-view mirrors, fearing what might happen next.

The construction of the Slane bypass is vital to our community. It must become part of the Government's Transport 21 strategy. This committee has the power to help us make Slane a safer place for our families. We ask members to visit our village and see the situation for themselves. When they do, we are confident that they will make the strongest recommendation possible to the Cabinet to proceed with the construction of the bypass as a matter of urgency. We cannot tolerate this situation continuing indefinitely. We ask members not to leave our lives at risk for a second more than is necessary.

Thank you, Ms Kealy. That is a chilling account.

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

There was an accident as recently as yesterday, in which a small baby was taken to hospital.

Mr. John Ryle

A Chathaoirligh agus a dhaoine uaisle, I represent the Slane Bridge action group. We have been campaigning for a bypass since the last fatality at Slane Bridge in February 2001. We believe it is the only solution to end the dreadful history of horrific accidents which have occurred periodically for the last 50 years in the village of Slane and at Slane Bridge and its approaches. This two mile stretch of road, from McGruder's Cross down to and over Slane Bridge and up to the top of the village, is in the top 1% of accident blackspots in Ireland. All so-called solutions implemented to deal with the problems have proved to be hopelessly ineffective. Signage, traffic calming measures, speed controls and traffic lights just cannot stop uncontrollable trucks descending a steep incline. We were reminded of that fact once again on 23 March, as Ms Kealy so graphically outlined.

The Government and the NRA have not addressed this problem with any great conviction. We seem to be in a suspended state of expectation and frustration, awaiting results of various preliminary procedures that are repeated again and again. The selected route is now subject to alteration for the third time in seven years. We interpret this as constructive procrastination on the part of the Government and the NRA. Is it just a process of appeasement? The mantra seems to be to keep us happy in Slane but without any commitment to full funding. Are we to live constantly in the dark, with no light at the end of the tunnel?

The failure of the Government to include the construction of a bypass for Slane in either the national development plan or Transport 21 is the major cause of the predicament in which we find ourselves. A golden opportunity to commit to final funding was missed when the Ashbourne bypass was completed in 2006, €30 million under budget. We pleaded with the Government to reserve that surplus for the Slane bypass further along the N2, but it was siphoned off elsewhere. How frustrating it was for us to learn one year later, prior to the general election of 2007, that "spare capacity" in the sum of €30 million was found in the roads fund to accelerate the construction of the Castleisland bypass, the only NRA project to begin this year.

The NRA is not fully committed to the project either. Its strategy of trying to channel northbound and southbound N2 traffic onto the tolled M1 via the specially constructed new national road, the N33, from the Charleville interchange to the upgraded section of the N2 north of Ardee, has proved a total failure. Perhaps it was a ploy to maximise the income from tolls. In 1987 Meath County Council expressed the view that it would have to rely on the Dublin-Belfast motorway 10 km to the east to bypass Slane. Despite all the advances since, are we still stuck in that time warp? HGVs in ever increasing numbers continue to find Slane a more attractive route to and from the N2 north of Ardee and the container and ferry ports of Larne, Belfast, Warrenpoint and Greenore. Clearly, their drivers are avoiding tolls on the M1 and using the N2 as an alternative route. The toll-free Ashbourne bypass has also attracted more HGVs onto the N2. What are we to expect when the M3, with two tolls to be paid, comes on stream in 2010?

Under the Roads Act 1993, the primary function of the NRA is to "secure the provision of a safe and efficient network of national roads". In regard to safety, it seems this function applies only to the newly constructed roads, not to existing national routes such as, for example, the stretch of the N2 from McGruder's Cross to the top of Slane village. It is no safer or efficient now than it ever was. The traffic calming measures introduced can only regulate the flow of normal orderly traffic; they cannot hinder runaway trucks. The topography of the area and the road features of that section of the N2 through Slane from McGruder's Cross to the top of the village are clearly unsuited to modern traffic requirements. There are steep descents, three acute bends, two of which are right-angled onto a narrow mediaeval bridge, no viable escape routes for runaway trucks and a precipitous fall of 12 to 14 ft. from the bridge to the river below. The intersection of the N2 and the N51 is in the heart of Slane village. The ever increasing volume of traffic, particularly HGVs, passing through this unique Georgian square must be seen to be believed. With such volumes, the likelihood of something going wrong on steep descents is a daily concern for residents. One of many factors such as driver error, brake failure, non-engagement of crawling gear, overloading, adverse weather conditions and so on can result in serious incidents.

We appeal to the committee to do its utmost in convincing the Government and the NRA to commit funding for the Slane bypass immediately. Failure to construct a bypass will mean more carnage, injury and trauma, not only for local residents but for all those who travel through the village. The residents of Slane are perpetually held hostage to traffic in their picturesque 18th century estate village. This intolerable situation must not be allowed to continue indefinitely.

I thank Mr. Ryle for his presentation which was very much to the point. Although I am from County Galway, Slane is familiar to me as the blackest of black spots. The gradient sweeping down to the bridge is unquestionably dangerous. It is seldom we see so many in the Visitors Gallery for any meeting. Given that people are so busy in their daily lives, there must be something terribly wrong when so many are concerned enough to make the journey to Leinster House today.

The chief executive officer of the NRA, Mr. Fred Barry, will attend the next meeting of the committee. I assure the delegates that the Slane bypass will be the first issue we will raise with him at that meeting.

As somebody who lives not too far from Slane, I warmly welcome the delegates from north Meath. I can attempt to make the case to my colleagues as well as I can but it is only when one hears what the delegates have to say that the reality is brought home. It is distressing to look at some of the photographs. A friend I sat beside for three years in school was killed in one such accident. He and his companion could not get out of the car because it went on fire. The accident to which the delegates referred is a warning. It is a miracle nobody was killed.

The committee must ensure there is a renewed focus on road safety. The M1 and Slane are both controlled by the NRA. Last week An Bord Pleanála upheld a decision on behalf of the NRA to refuse permission for a football stadium off the M1 on the grounds that it would create traffic jams. However, if one travels on the M1 any evening this week, the only other motorists on the road will be those travelling to the North for shopping. The motorway is tolled and only one lane is open most of the time. Meanwhile, travelling through Slane remains a nightmare. One would be glad to see the end of winter.

We should no longer delegate responsibility to the NRA in these matters. I have great faith in the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, to effect the necessary change. This presentation is only the beginning. We must take control of road safety from the NRA, An Bord Pleanála and others. The bypass should have been built after the first study was completed. Following the second study two years ago, we were assured the project would go ahead without delay. The fields were pegged out and the sale of one woman's house on the edge of the village fell through because the proposed route would entail the loss of 2 sq. m from her garden. After subsequently being told there would be a dual bypass, we are now back in limbo.

Senator Hannigan, Deputy Thomas Byrne and I live in the area and have no intention of making a political football of the issue. We gave that political commitment to the people of Slane at the recent meeting. We will not allow it to happen. I am pleased to learn that Mr. Fred Barry will appear before the committee at its next meeting.

While members are made little of for going on fact-finding visits abroad, I ask members for a commitment to visit Slane to see the problem at first hand. Such a visit should take place at 9 a.m. or 6 p.m. I am from this area and speak as one of the people in this regard but 22 lives is a very high number. There is no other place in Ireland like it and it has the worst record in Europe. I do not know the reason this has not been resolved. Roads have been built elsewhere and a bridge was built in County Donegal at a cost of €19 million for which there is no justification and on which there is no traffic. Members must change their ways in the Oireachtas and I will do everything possible to ensure the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Transport takes responsibility for this issue. Were it to do nothing else during the lifetime of the Government, the Slane bypass should be made its first priority.

In the meantime, the demonstration by the people of Slane made it clear that if people must go to jail, they are prepared to so do. Farmers went to jail in 1967 to secure their rights and there are people in Slane who are prepared to do likewise to save their children. As for breaking the law, I will be with them because we have had enough in Slane.

I wish to ask one or two questions. In the witnesses' opinion, why has the bypass not been built?

Mr. John Ryle

I will respond to that question. The Government obviously received bad advice, although I do not know from whom it received it. First, I refer to the idea of trying to channel all the traffic between Ashbourne and Ardee onto the M1. A new road was built on virgin land all the way from the Charleville interchange on the M1, which is north of Dunleer, across to the north side of Ardee. The N2 then was upgraded and there now are bypasses at Carrickmacross, Castleblayney, Monaghan, Clontibret and right up to the Border. However, the planners forgot one thing, namely, that a toll was placed on the M1 and the trucks would not use it. They still come through Slane and up through Collon.

After passing through Slane, they have three options. They can turn right in Slane and go towards the M1 interchange at Tullyallen. As can be seen from the map provided to members, they can go on to Collon, cross over onto the M1 using a regional road between Collon and Dunleer and then continue up along the M1. Of course people remaining on the N2 can go all the way up to Ardee and onto the M1 through that interchange.

People coming southwards get off the M1 at Dunleer and come across to the N2 and now are beginning to come from Tullyallen on the N51 to Slane and on up the N2 as well. Such drivers have a great advantage because, given the point at which the N2 reaches Dublin, one almost is in the heart of Dublin straightaway. Had such drivers come down the M1, from which one must get off at Whitehall, they would not get much further in half an hour and trucks are banned from going that way. Moreover, all the warehousing to which they are going is located along that section of the M50 from Finglas around to the N7. Another reason may have been that they tried to maximise the tolls, although I do not know. However, whosever idea it was, it did not work and was a bad option.

It is not working in Slane.

The Slane Action Group usually mentions the quality of life. I met them, as did my other colleagues, shortly after the accident. Has the quality of life improved? The witnesses should discuss this issue a little further.

Ms Norma Kealy

As I said, when one is afraid to walk on the footpath in one's village or to cross the road, something is seriously wrong. Moreover, our local school is working for a green flag and this year is focusing on transport. Parents are being encouraged to walk their children to school one morning per week and when so doing literally are feet away from the road and from lorries that come thundering down that hill.

It is not good news when one sees a lorry coming.

I compliment Mr. Baxter and Mr. Ryle on the presentation. I compliment Ms Kealy in particular on her excellent presentation. It obviously was an extremely harrowing experience which members must try to ensure is not repeated for anyone else. In a recent conversation with my father, who was a garda in Slane village in the 1950s, he expressed surprise that the village still has not been bypassed because traffic levels were high even back then, which has been forgotten. I also wish to compliment some people who are in the Visitors Gallery and Councillor Ann Dillon-Gallagher in particular. While she is from a different party from me, I compliment her on the work she has put in in recent years. I served on the council with her and at every possible opportunity she has called for Slane to be bypassed, as have I.

It is clear to anyone who lives close to Slane that the absence of a bypass is leading to difficulties in respect of safety, which is an extremely important concern. In addition, business levels in the village have fallen significantly because so much traffic is clogging up the streets and making it extremely congested. Slane sits in the middle of the Boyne Valley, which is a fantastic area for tourism. Newgrange is just down the road and when one considers the new Oldbridge site for the commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne, the Boyne Canal, the Boyne walks and the Francis Ledwidge cottage, which is located just a mile away, Slane really should be seen as the jewel in the crown. However, the absence of a bypass is having an impact in this regard. It is having an economic effect on the village and has a tremendous effect in respect of noise and on safety in particular. Consequently, I support the witnesses' actions to get a bypass put in place as soon as possible.

Even were the Minister to announce the building of a bypass tomorrow, its construction would take some time, be it a year or 18 months. What else must be done now to limit the potential carnage arising from further accidents? Are there steps for which the witnesses would like the joint committee to push as a temporary measure while awaiting the full implementation of a bypass?

I ask the witnesses to hold their answer to that question as I intend to bring in the other members and they can answer all the questions thereafter. The joint committee is a little tied for time as, most unusually, a group of children will appear before it at 4.45 p.m. They must catch a train at 5.30 p.m. and were they to miss it, we would be in awful trouble.

I welcome the representatives of the people of Slane. As someone who does not live in the constituency but who lives in Drogheda, I am aware of the difficulties and the dangers there over the years. It is a place to which one never would go unless absolutely necessary because of the obvious danger. Some of the graphic photographs provided would make one think one was in the middle of Iraq or somewhere in which a bomb had gone off, such is the absolute and total devastation. I accept the witnesses' point about the reason it has not been done as basically the political will to spend the money has been lacking. It is all about a Minister deciding whether to do it and that is where the buck stops.

When Drogheda experienced problems with heavy goods vehicles passing through the town after it had been bypassed by the M1, the local authority was able, if it wished, to ban by resolution all HGVs from the town. This meant that legally, provided it no longer was a national primary route, this was done or at least that was the idea. Is there an interim solution whereby HGVs could be banned from crossing that bridge? Clearly they are unable to so do with any degree of safety. Can Meath County Council help in this regard? Is another mechanism available whereby one could ban HGVs? This at least would mean that lorries would not be descending on the village. While I appreciate that is not the preferred solution, it would make sense were that done.

I was not present earlier as I was detained by a couple of other matters. While I am not a member of the joint committee, I am familiar with the people involved and with the village. I have an office in the village and as I was involved in a minor car accident there myself within the past fortnight, I know all about this serious issue.

As for Deputy O'Dowd's suggestion regarding HGVs, following discussions it has become clear to me that the legal position is that a county council can ban HGVs from a motorway if it so wishes. A county council, in its capacity as a roads authority, is in full charge of all roads within its area of responsibility. In this case, both the Minister for Transport and the National Roads Authority have put pressure on and given support to Meath County Council to institute a ban on HGVs. Having passed a resolution to this effect, it now is up to the county council to do so. I encourage it to move ahead with the ban. There will always be people who say that something will cause this or that problem, but we need to get on with it. The councillors are doing so and must keep pressure on the engineers. The proposal was made by way of a council resolution, but it is a necessary interim solution.

Apart from the safety issue, which is the prime concern, the solution is crucial in terms of commerce and tourism in the village. I tend to be in the village on many Friday evenings for my clinics, but it is an impossible situation. For example, a couple visited my office because they were looking for planning permission within two miles of Slane village. After meeting them, it took me approximately 40 minutes to drive to the site. This is daily life for people. If they want to socialise with friends across the river, there are barriers, those being, the road and the required bypass primarily, and heavy goods vehicles secondarily. I am not a member of the committee, but I will support it in whatever actions it takes and whatever motions it moves to apply further pressure to get the bypass built, which is the primary issue. The council banning lorries would be an interim solution but pressure needs to be maintained if we are to get the bypass.

According to the stories of those whom I have met in my office, this situation has been almost a near-death experience at school time. This is frightening. Apart from our normal political responsibilities, we have a moral responsibility to keep the pressure on to get the job done.

I thank the witnesses for their presentation which has been informative and disturbing. Our guests have been badly served over the years and we have missed opportunities for a bypass. My constituency is Roscommon-South Leitrim where we are seeking four or five bypasses at Carrick-on-Shannon, Boyle, Ballaghaderreen, Castlerea and Roscommon. None of these demands a result like the one in question where our guests are dealing with a catalogue of accidents. Wherever one of our roads has a black spot, the National Roads Authority seeks information and Garda reports to justify spending on it. I am sure the reports in question are with the NRA.

It is simple. Organisations like the Health Service Executive and the NRA can claim that something has nothing to do with them, but the Minister is responsible for the NRA. The Government appoints members to its board. Every time a bypass is built, a Minister will officially open it. The committee should bring the matter forward. Unless there is political intervention, however, it will be treated like a game.

Years ago when I was a member of Roscommon County Council, I always said that the council-NRA relationship was like Sinn Féin-IRA. Put simply, the NRA is answerable to the Government of the day. This Government has been in power for almost 12 years. The sooner the issue is addressed, the better. I do not want to play politics with it, but what has occurred is obvious.

Our guests have my full support and I am delighted to see that the councillors for the area also support them. The committee should send a signal to the Minister to the effect that this issue should be addressed immediately. This comes from someone who has no considerable interest in the area. In the interests of the safety of children, parents and drivers, however, the Government has a responsibility to protect its citizens.

One of the witnesses might answer the queries raised, principally that on the banning of HGVs by Meath County Council. I assume our guests have gone down this road. Will they take the next couple of minutes to indicate where the process is going?

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

Banning HGVs is essential as an interim measure, but that is all it can be. It has been done in Enfield, Maynooth and so on. There is no reason it cannot be done. It will inconvenience some people, but that is too bad. Given the accident in March——

How much of an inconvenience could it be? Give the committee the two sides of the story.

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

Is it any greater an inconvenience to be stuck on the road for four hours because of an accident in the village?

Who would be inconvenienced?

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

Mainly the Northern truckers and people going to the ferry ports and to and from Dublin.

Would it be a significant inconvenience?

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

I am sure it would, but is the other one not a greater inconvenience?

We just wanted to hear Mr. Baxter's side of it.

Mr. John Ryle

It could be an inconvenience for local truckers given the area's large Roadstone quarry. It is an important matter for them. If we ban them from the bridge or the village, business——

In Drogheda, if one's journey originated or terminated in the area, one was entitled to travel there. Otherwise, there was no entitlement.

Mr. John Ryle

Fair enough.

Why were HGVs not banned years ago? What stopped a ban?

Mr. John Ryle

Meath County Council has been charged with dealing with this matter by the Minister and the NRA, but it has hinted that it can do nothing without forcing the trucks onto smaller routes in the area. The two bridges closest to Slane are Stackallen Bridge, which is narrow and to each side of which there is a steep hill, and the so-called metal bridge at the Battle of the Boyne site on which the maximum tonnage is three tonnes. The next bridges are in Navan and Drogheda. If the trucks are sent there, there will be hell to pay. Further signage and speed controls are being proposed, but the council might as well——

Has the new motorway taken some of the HGVs?

Mr. John Ryle

It has taken cars, not trucks.

Is the number of trucks the same as five years ago?

Mr. John Ryle

It is greater. Last Wednesday, I recorded a traffic count on video in the centre of Slane. In a 53-minute period, I counted 139 trucks and 156 vans passing through the square in Slane.

They were in convoy.

Mr. John Ryle

It was endless. I did not count the cars. There were so many that I could not keep up.

Approximately how many of those were local vehicles with destinations in the area?

Mr. John Ryle

I could find out for the Deputy by studying the video again, but most of them were North-South travellers.

In which case they should be switched off.

How many would switch were there no toll?

Mr. John Ryle

If they were going all the way to the North, I am sure that they would switch. They would probably use the Ardee route as well.

Mr. Ciaran Baxter

O'Hanlon Transport Limited has calculated that the cost of the M1 toll for the truckers is the price of a new rig every year.

The members of Meath County Council have asked by resolution for a HGV ban. They will be the ones to implement it. Let us not be fobbed off by engineers who have been fobbing off other bodies. At meetings last week, Bus Éireann and Meath County Council were fobbed off concerning park and ride facilities that are badly needed in the county.

The ban should be up and running. For a large cohort of lorries, the M1 to Ardee is a suitable and safer alternative route. Often, I am stuck behind Monaghan lorries on the N2. Were I a lorry driver, I would not go over the Slane Bridge. I would pay the money. I am not sure what we can do about the toll in the meantime. We could make political points if we wished, but the council can enforce a ban and a large cohort of lorries can be removed from the road if the councillors maintain pressure on the officials, which they have shown themselves willing to do so far. They have been fobbed off and told the ban cannot be done, but why not? It must be done and people must get on with the job.

The NRA and the Minister are responsible for transport. The pressure must continue on up to the Minister, Deputy Dempsey. We should meet him again because the NRA is a law unto itself. We must bring the NRA before us and make it responsible to the people for road safety. Without going into the matter any further, the Vice Chairman stated that summoning the NRA should be at the top of the agenda.

It will be. Without doubt, we will do that because it is important. Do our guests want to leave a lasting impression? That they travelled all the way here to tell us about the blackest of blackspots makes it a great occasion for the committee. Where and when should pressure be applied?

Mr. John Ryle

I refer to 2001 and the appendices we gave the committee. We first met the NRA after the last fatalities, some three weeks after this group was formed. The then chairman of the NRA, Mr. Michael Tobin, sat opposite us and told us that there were no plans to bypass Slane as traffic would move on to the M1 when it is completed as there would be a freeflow from Whitehall, Dublin to Dundalk. Our retort was that there is no freeflow, but there is freeflow from Dublin to Dundalk via Slane. Before the meeting was over the chairman promised to revisit the situation. The NRA revisited the problem and did a feasibility study. Unlike Meath County Council, which could not do it 20 years before, now they can. It started and selected a route. This is ongoing.

If the county council passed a resolution saying that there should be no HGVs unless the origin or destination is Slane, it is a by-law. Therefore, the local gardaí can enforce it. They do not have to be there all day. If a lorry is going through, they can stop it at random and ask its origin and destination and bring it to court. The number of lives lost, 22, is appalling. The only way to answer it is to insist that the council meets and passes the resolution before getting on to the local superintendent to ask what he is doing about it.

After hearing this genuine story, the best way we can help the delegation is to invite Mr. Fred Barry of the NRA to appear before the committee. I also propose to invite the manager of Meath County Council and one or two members of the delegation. If that is acceptable to the members present at the meeting, we will leave it at that.

I am very keen that the manager and Mr. Eugene Cummins, director of services, are invited. The committee should not accept that Mr. Cummins will attend in place of the manager.

We will invite both. I thank the delegation for its fine presentation. I hope, that as a result of being here and other things the delegation does, there will be light at the end of the tunnel in Slane.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.45 p.m. and resumed in public session at 4.50 p.m.

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