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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 14 Oct 1931

Vol. 14 No. 32

Question of Procedure.

Before we proceed with public business I want to draw the attention of the Seanad to a matter concerning the procedure of the House and, to some extent, the privileges of Senators. Senators received this morning typed copies of a notice which opens in the following manner:—

The following notice of motion has to-day been handed in by Senators Wilson and O'Rourke and, by direction of the Cathaoirleach, will appear on the Order Paper for Friday next, the 16th October, 1931:—

"That, in the case of the Constitution (Amendment No. 17) Bill, 1931, the stages shall be proceeded with as follows:—

Then follow practically a series of closure motions. In the normal course of affairs under our Standing Orders five days' notice would be required. Motions that are to be placed on the Order Paper must reach the Clerk not later than 3 p.m. on the fifth preceding day. This particular notice refers to a matter which is to be brought up for discussion on Friday, which is only the fourth day. True it is that, with the permission of the Cathaoirleach, motions or amendments may be moved on shorter notice. One has to assume by the language of this notice that the Cathaoirleach did give permission that the notice should be sent out. This notice deals with a Bill of which no Senator, other than those Senators who are moving the notice, has any formal knowledge. It appears to me to be a gross breach of the machinery which governs the procedure in this House that such a motion should be put forward in this manner. We are given notice of certain procedure in connection with a Bill of which the Seanad, with the exception of perhaps two Senators, knows nothing. We have not been presented with copies of the Bill, and nobody knows what is in the Bill. The whole procedure is informal and I suggest that this notice should not be for one moment considered by the House. I ask whether, having regard to all the circumstances, you have consented to receive this notice as a valid notice in accordance with the Standing Orders.

Cathaoirleach

The matter is not before the Seanad for discussion to-day. Nevertheless I would like to assure Senator Johnson that I have given my permission to have this matter put on the Order Paper for Friday, and it will appear on the Order Paper that day. All the Senator's objections will be met on that day. When this motion appears on the Order Paper I take it that copies of the Bill will then have been circulated, and Senators will be aware of its contents. So far as that portion of the objection is concerned, it goes by the board. As regards the Senator's criticism of my action in accepting this motion, I may assure him that I had no other course open to me.

Will we be given information in regard to this Bill soon?

Cathaoirleach

The Bill will be before the House for discussion on Friday next.

If it passes the Dáil.

We are being asked certain things in advance.

Cathaoirleach

You are.

We are being asked to give sanction to a certain proceeding.

Cathaoirleach

You will be asked, but you are not being asked now.

I intend to propose a motion on the subject.

Cathaoirleach

You have a perfect right to do so, Senator, and why should you not?

Are we to take it that in presenting this notice of motion the two Senators concerned were aware of the contents of the Bill?

Cathaoirleach

I cannot answer that question; I would like to have notice of it.

Have the Senators named on the notice of motion been acquainted of the contents of a Bill which is not yet before the House?

Cathaoirleach

I cannot answer that question at the moment, Senator.

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