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Friday, 11 Dec 1931

Vol. 15 No. 3

Housing (Gaeltacht) (Amendment) Bill, 1931 (Certified Money Bill)—Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This is a Bill to enlarge the provision of one quarter of a million pounds provided under the Principal Act. Up to the present we have earmarked a sum of £230,000 in round figures out of that sum, and if we did not make further provision now sanctions would have to stop about the end of next month. The fact that we have earmarked £230,000 does not mean that anything like that sum has been spent. In fact, only about £45,000 has so far been issued. The time required to complete a house in very many cases is almost two years. The person cannot give up the time that he would normally devote to his farm work to building. He therefore does the building when there is not very much doing in his ordinary farm work. As well as that, there is only a limited number of handymen in the Gaeltacht and it frequently happens that a person cannot get a handyman when he wants one, such as a carpenter or a stone mason.

I am quite satisfied with the progress which has been made under the Act, and from the expressions of opinion I have heard from all sides in the Dáil I believe that the operation of the Act has given very general satisfaction. The inspectors engaged on this work were selected not only because of their competence in supervising work, but because of their sympathetic understanding of the people in the Gaeltacht. It is generally agreed that they have been very successful in their work and that the people met them in a friendly spirit and looked upon them, not as they were rather accustomed to look on Government officials in the past, but as their friends. That has been a very great advantage. The officials themselves, because of their sympathy with the Gaeltacht, did their work with something more than what we might call the ordinary conscientious discharge of their duty. I should like to take this opportunity of paying public tribute to the way they have done their work.

In this matter there is a speed beyond which it is not wise to go. As I said, the number of handymen is limited. There is a large number of young men learning the different crafts connected with house building, but it would be unwise to allow them to take charge of the building of a house until they have become absolutely competent, because, as one can understand, the health of the people and the cost of repairs subsequently will largely depend on the efficiency with which the houses are built. Something like 2,500 houses have been sanctioned up to date and this in itself will greatly relieve the urgency of the problem. I assured the Oireachtas when the Principal Act was going through that I would deal first with what might be called the worst slum areas in the Gaeltacht. In fact, the original Act provided that three-fifths of the total sum should be spent in the very congested areas in the fíor-Ghaeltacht. The principle adopted is that if the total valuation of an area, divided by the population, is one guinea or under, that area is one of the areas to which three-fifths of the money must be applied. That does not mean that some of the other two-fifths might not also be applied there. In fact, as we stand at present, out of the amount we have earmarked we have given something more than three-fifths to these particular areas. Until these particular slum areas are relieved it would be unwise to deal with the places which are somewhat better off.

Under Section 12 of the Principal Act the Department was empowered to assist people in the purchasing of materials. We met with great success in a combined purchasing scheme in this matter. We found that the suppliers of materials met us in a very friendly spirit. We dealt with home materials so far as possible and so far as was practical, but some foreign materials had to be procured and the makers of materials abroad even seemed quite anxious to help the Department in dealing with this problem and to help the people of the Gaeltacht. The result was that we succeeded in lowering the cost of a four-roomed house as it would be built under ordinary circumstances by about £27 owing to this combined purchasing scheme. That went, of course, to the advantage of the man who was building so that it was tantamount to an increase of £27 in the free grant. I should like to say also, as it is a matter of considerable interest, that the entire working of this Act has been carried out in Irish. The tender forms sent out and the correspondence from the Department were all in Irish and all the work done by the inspectors has been done entirely through the Irish language. The work has not only not suffered in efficiency in that way, but everybody agrees that scarcely any Act has ever been so efficiently worked.

The original Gaeltacht Housing Act was very generally welcomed and, as the Minister has pointed out, the officials in the Gaeltacht areas have been welcomed on all sides. I thoroughly agree with that, but from what I have seen there are not yet many signs of any great progress having been made under the Act. The Minister has admitted that only £45,000 has been paid out so far under the Act although another £100,000 is made available under this Bill. The great grievance of many people in the Gaeltacht is that they do not get replies to applications which they put in for grants and that those who do get replies hear nothing further about their applications. I called at the office on one occasion and I found that they were in some difficulty there because there were not sufficient inspectors. Things may have improved since that time, but they have not improved to the extent that the areas scheduled under the Act are all getting the same treatment. It appeared to me that under the Act they were all to get the same treatment. A Gaeltacht area is a Gaeltacht area, and when it is scheduled some effort should be made to allow the people in that area who have made applications for grants to make a start with the building of the houses. At least they should be informed that there is a possibility that their application will be granted or that they come within the provisions of the Act. People in the scheduled areas feel that they have a grievance in this matter and they are very annoyed about it. I hope therefore that an effort will now be made to see that all areas scheduled under the Act will get the same treatment and that the benefits of the Act will be extended to them as quickly as possible.

This Bill has come upon us rather unexpectedly. I take it there are other Senators in the same position as myself in not being quite prepared for the discussion of it today. The Minister's statement certainly was encouraging in more ways than one. I had an idea when the original Bill was being carried through that it would give a good headline, if it succeeded, for tackling rehousing, in the rural areas not in the Gaeltacht. From what the Minister said now I am convinced that that will be the lesson to be drawn and that similar methods of helping the rebuilding of houses in country areas will require to be followed to those undertaken in respect of the Gaeltacht housing.

Some of the figures the Minister read out suggest some queries. I gathered that for the £230,000 earmarked 2,500 houses, approximately, have been arranged for. That is equal to a subsidy of £92 per house. That is rather a higher figure than I think we were led to believe when the original Bill was going through, but I cannot be too definite upon that point. Perhaps the most important subject that the Minister mentioned was that through combined purchasing of materials they were able to provide a reduction of cost of materials amounting to £27 per house. That confirms the contention that we from these benches have been uttering for several years back that if in any general house building campaign there was some regulated and authoritative combination which would secure the combined purchasing of standardised materials, it would go further than any other single factor to reduce the cost of house building. Even for so small a number of houses as 2,500, and I am not quite sure whether the combined purchasing of materials covered the 2,500 houses, the Minister has shown that combined purchasing of material has resulted in a reduction of cost per house of £27. That, I hope, will be impressed upon the Minister for Local Government and Public Health. Perhaps we may take occasion to remind him of it when we are dealing with the next Bill on the Order Paper.

The only remarks I wish to make on this Bill are in reference to the cost of building. The Minister indicated that these houses were built by what he described as handymen. I was wondering has he any idea of the cost of building a four-roomed house in the Gaeltacht so that we could compare that cost with the cost of £450 in the city and with the £350 for the building of a three-roomed house.

It would not be quite easy to give that cost because the whole principle of the Act is that a man and his family supply their own labour. Then handymen work in the Gaeltacht cheaper than ordinary tradesmen in Dublin and the eastern counties. They are not as efficient as tradesmen. The handyman is generally an all-round man, but, of course, in Dublin you have different men for different jobs, such as slaters, masons and carpenters. Generally the handyman is a type of person who is a jack of all trades. Such comparisons as the Senator suggested would not lead anywhere even if we were able to supply the figures. Senator MacEllin must be speaking of areas in the Co. Mayo which are much better off than areas in the Gaeltacht for which this Act was primarily intended. If he would have a run round Connemara he would see there visible signs of the operations of the Act. There are something like 500 houses put up, or partly put up, in Connemara and £76,000 out of the total £230,000 has been sanctioned there. In the Senator's own county of Mayo £54,260 has been earmarked for Gaeltacht housing.

But it has not been paid.

I am not suggesting it is paid. An increase of inspectors is not going to hurry this. As I pointed out there is a shortage of handymen and, also, the whole principle of the Act is that a man and his household help in putting up the houses and they will only do this when the farm work is not pressing.

I do not agree.

We know it from our experience of the operation of the Act. I certainly would make no promise to depart from schemes I have set myself to work out from the worst places first. It was made clear when the Principal Act was going through both Houses that though there were 600 electoral areas affected by the Act many of them would never be touched by the quarter of a million of money to be spent under the Act, neither will all that number of them be touched by this further £100,000. My particular job is to clear the slums in the fíor-Ghaeltacht and to work up from that to the breac-Ghaeltacht if and when money is available in the future.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 16th December.
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