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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 4 Jun 1980

Vol. 94 No. 6

Adjournment Matter. - Irish National Commission for UNESCO.

Ireland joined UNESCO in 1961 and UNESCO is the United Nations educational, scientific and cultural organisation. Its function is to contribute to peace and security by promoting collaboration among the nations through education, science and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, for the rule of law and for human rights and fundamental freedoms which are affirmed for the peoples of the world without distinction of race, sex, language or religion by the charter of the United Nations.

Given our history, tradition and interest in education, science and culture and our contribution to education in the developing world, UNESCO is a body in which we should have a special interest. The importance of UNESCO was well illustrated in the past week when the Pope, on his visit to France, devoted the whole of one of his addresses towards UNESCO personnel. It was clear from what he said in that address that he regards the role that UNESCO play as one of the utmost importance. I have worked with, not under, UNESCO in the development of universities in Africa. The project in which I was representing the international Mathematical Union was successful and resulted in the formation of a mathematical organisation in Africa to stimulate the study of mathematics in African universities right through the continent and the formation of an institute funded by UNESCO with a branch in Nice in France and a branch in Africa to stimulate, co-ordinate and develop mathematics in Africa. That is only one small illustration of what UNESCO does. It is a body to which we should have a major input and from which this country should derive major benefits.

The link between Ireland and UNESCO is the Irish National Commission for UNESCO, and this is the channel through which information from UNESCO should flow to us, through which the benefits of membership of UNESCO should accrue and through which we should make our input to that important organisation. The national commission is supposed to act as the centre to which the national intellectual resources can be associated with the work of the organisation, thus assuring their participation in evaluation of UNESCO's programme as well as international intellectual co-operation.

The reason I raised this matter on the Adjournment is that I feel we have failed to take advantage of our membership of UNESCO and have failed to realise the importance to this country of UNESCO. We have failed to realise how important a role Ireland can play in UNESCO and in the development of its activities, and we have failed to make an impact on the workings of that organisation. That failure is fairly and squarely our own fault. It can be put down to a great extent to the failure of the national commission to set to work in the appropriate way and in the correct spirit.

I wish to refer to the composition of this body. There are representatives from a range of organisations, but the obvious body to me to be asked to nominate to the national commission for UNESCO is the Royal Irish Academy, which is our senior academic body and which fulfils the sort of functions in relation to the other international organisations that this commission is fulfilling, or supposedly fulfilling, vis-a-vis UNESCO. The national scientific organisations have adhering committees in Ireland which are sub-committees of the academy. The academy, more than any other body, is fitted to make an input as our senior educational, scientific and cultural organisation and it should be represented. However, that is a small point. My main contention is that the commission as a whole has failed to make an impact. It has failed in its duty to make sure that there is a specific Irish input to UNESCO and it has failed to ensure that we acquire the benefits from that organisation, and that really reflects the fact that we have not treated membership of UNESCO sufficiently seriously.

The function of the Government is to provide for the servicing of the national commission and to provide the premises and the financial resources necessary to allow the commission to carry out its functions. The Department of Education undertakes this task. It provides servicing for the commission, a certain membership for it and the resources with which the commission is supposed to operate. So few people have ever heard of this commission or ever realised what the commission is about or is supposed to be doing, that one must question whether really anything at all has been achieved by our national commission. It is of some interest that every Senator I spoke to about this or who asked me what I was raising on the adjournment this evening asked me what was the national commission for UNESCO. They all heard of UNESCO but they had never heard of our national commission. There has been a failure to provide information about the activities of UNESCO in this country. The national commission is the channel through which this information should be disseminated to the public. What UNESCO is doing is of great interest to the public and of particular relevance.

Given our tradition and given our involvement in the developing world, UNESCO is one of the bodies that is doing the most. It is the international body that is placed and designed to assist in educational development, particularly in the Third World. It does not restrict its activities to the Third World by any means. There should be a considerable interest in what UNESCO is doing and yet we never find any publicity in the media or any information coming through about its activities. It is a closed book as far as the Irish are concerned, and that is the fault of the national commission.

To illustrate the failure to appreciate what UNESCO is about on the commission's behalf, I refer to an important questionnaire sent out to all the national commissions of the adhering countries. This questionnaire was sent out in April 1978 and in October 1978 the replies to it were collated and the report was circulated to the member countries. The questionnaire was precisely on the topic which I am discussing: the organisation, structure, composition, role and activities of national commissions for UNESCO in the various countries. It was asking the national commission to report on its activities. Perhaps, because we did not have many activities to report on, Ireland was not one of the 85 countries that replied to the questionnaire. The countries that replied were Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bolivia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Columbia, Congo and so on but Ireland significantly is not in the list of the 85 countries. The commission has a reputation for not replying to correspondence. It attends the annual UNESCO conference but the input is minimal. I made some inquiries among members of the present commission who have recently been appointed and one of them told me that the philosophy that the civil servants who were in charge of the delegation impressed on him was "when in doubt say nothing". If one takes that attitude to international organisations, we will not get anywhere. What I am asking the Minister to do—I am not blaming him for this failing, I am just pointing it out—is to take steps to change our attitude and import an entrepreneurial spirit into the workings of this commission. He should upgrade our approach to UNESCO through the national commission and see that, first of all, we get the information and documentation necessary for us to appreciate what UNESCO is doing so that, from our considerable educational and cultural resources, we can make a proper input to UNESCO, which we are not doing at present.

Organisations such as UNESCO, FAO and the World Health Organisation are of tremendous importance because they are non-political in a sense in which the United Nations, of course, is not. They are not forums for great political debate. Political issues do colour their discussions but they are basically organisations with non-political aims. In the case of UNESCO its aims and functions are so much in line with the tradition of which this country is proud—a missionary tradition and a tradition of education in the less privileged areas of the world—that it is a great pity that we do not play a vital role in ensuring that this important work goes on and ensuring our views and specific expertise is known, appreciated and used and is at the service of UNESCO. Only in that way will we get the benefits that accrue. I know, having been a member of one of those international organisations, that it is much better to get up and say something in which one is taking a bit of a chance than to have the poor mouth approach. If one does not get up and take a chance nobody will know anything about one or realise that one has a particular contribution. As we have such a tremendous contribution to make to an organisation like UNESCO, I appeal to the Minister to change the attitude and operations of the national commission and ensure that we make our proper impact in this essential organisation.

I thank Senator West for giving me an opportunity of saying a few words on UNESCO and the commission. I take the Senator's point that UNESCO is an important organisation of the United Nations. This is underlined by the fact that the Pope thought it was important that he should address it on his recent visit to Paris. I congratulate the Senator also on the important work that he did in the realm of mathematical studies in Africa and his interest in the organisation, the purpose of which is to stimulate the study of mathematics in that continent.

I should like to comment on what the Senator said about an alleged policy adopted by our representatives in UNESCO "when in doubt, say nothing". I do not think that that ever has been or ever will be the policy of anybody from the Department of Education at any international gathering. I reject that statement from whatever source it came. As regards the point made by the Senator about UNESCO not being a political organisation, as such it is not but the activities of UNESCO were very heavily politicised as time went on. The Department of Foreign Affairs feel it should have an interest in the activities of UNESCO for this very reason. They attend various meetings of UNESCO as well as representatives from the Department of Education.

I take the opportunity to bring to the notice of the Seanad the major contribution which has been made over the last two decades by individuals who have given their time and commitment to serve on various Irish national commissions for UNESCO. I am in complete disagreement with the view put forward by the Senator but, at the same time, I am glad to have the opportunity to advise of the many and varied facets of the UNESCO programme which Irish national commissions have catered for through the expertise and wide-ranging interests of their members.

The Senator touched lightly on the composition when he mentioned one group that was not represented. I was rather disappointed that he did not spend more time examining the composition and telling me where he thinks improvement could be made. He concentrated his speech mainly on the functioning. The Irish National Commission for UNESCO came into being in the following way. The Irish Government in December 1960 authorised the then Minister for External Affairs to have a motion moved in Dáil Éireann for a resolution assenting to acceptance of the obligations contained in the Constitution of the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organisation, recommending the taking of steps with a view to Ireland's admission to membership of the organisation. The formalities in connection with Ireland's entry were completed in October 1961 and in December 1961 our Ambassador in Paris presented his credentials as a permanent delegate to UNESCO. Subsequently it was decided to set up an Irish National Commission for UNESCO under the Minister for Education.

The first meeting of the Irish National Commission for UNESCO which took place in September 1962 was addressed by the then Minister for Education, Dr. Patrick Hillery, in the following terms:

Perhaps the most important function of a national commission is its role in making known the aims of the organisation and associating with its programmes and objects all the appropriate bodies in the country which are concerned with education, science and culture. These programmes and projects have many facets involving the free flow of ideas and information across national frontiers and outside the narrower official channels.

Article VII of the UNESCO Constitution provides that each member state shall make such arrangements as suit its particular conditions for the purpose of associating its principal bodies interested in educational, scientific and cultural matters with the work of the organisation, preferably by the formation of a national commission broadly representative of the Government and such bodies. In the nomination of members for the first Irish National Commission referred to, the Government ensured that the membership of not more than 22 individuals was fully representative of all of the bodies concerned with education, science and culture. Members were drawn from the teachers' unions, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and the school managerial associations, lay and clerical. Universities were represented by members drawn from a variety of facilities from arts to engineering. A representative from the Irish language movement was included, also a member from the broadcasting authority and the agricultural sector. The chairman and secretary were Department of Education officials while the Department of Foreign Affairs was also represented.

The first major task of the new commission was to participate in the general conference of UNESCO in 1962 in Paris. The task of this, and of every general conference held at two-yearly intervals since then, was to prepare a programme and budget for the following two years. The first Irish National Commission participated fully in the general conference of 1962 and 1964 and the second and third Irish National Commissions which followed on in 1966, 1968 and 1970 were equally active in successive conferences as well as in all other areas of UNESCO programmes until 1973.

The fourth Irish National Commission which was appointed in 1977, and is currently in office, has carried on the tradition of being broadly representative of the principal bodies interested in educational, scientific and cultural matters. The educational interests are covered by men and women teachers and administrators who have made and are making significant contributions to the educational field, individuals whose range of interests focuses on the highly topical areas of equality, youth, language teaching and educational research. The scientific interest is well catered for by representatives from different university faculties of engineering and chemistry. For the cultural side, there is representation from the Arts Council, the Royal Hibernian Academy, the arts department of the universities and one of the Irish language organisations. The area of communications is covered by the fact that two members of the commission served on the RTE authority. The tradition of involving the agricultural sector and the trade unions has been maintained by including in the membership of the national commission an agricultural advisor and a representative of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions.

I have already mentioned that the Irish National Commission has participated in the general conference of UNESCO which is held every two years and at which the biennial programme and budget is discussed and approved. A full plenary session of the entire national commission is held at least twice a year in the course of which meetings many projects receive consideration, motions are put forward in relation to the proposed programme and budget and activities which will further the aims of UNESCO are initiated. The functions of the national commission are to advise the Minister for Education on matters relating to UNESCO; to co-operate by all suitable means in the implementation of the programme of UNESCO in Ireland; to foster interest in the promotion of international collaboration through education, culture and sport.

The Irish National Commission decided at the outset that in order to fully execute its functions an executive committee should be set up which would meet on a regular basis. An executive committee which comprises six members of the national commission, the Chairman being the secretary to the national commission, has met regularly during the terms of office of each national commission. It has always been the aim that the executive committee would be also broadly representative of the educational, scientific and cultural interests in the country and the present executive committee can be regarded as meeting these requirements.

Since the fourth Irish National Commission was established, five plenary sessions of the full commission have been held, the last of which took place at the end of May. The executive committee has met on seven occasions. As to participation in the other committees of UNESCO, I may say that delegations participated in 1979 in conferences on sport and education, on the question of the international recognition of studies, diplomas and degrees in higher education. More recently still an Irish delegation attended an international conference on the status of the artist. Furthermore, in regard to projects, fellowships, competitions and so on which are organised under the UNESCO programme, the Irish National Commission have diligently aided Irish participation whenever possible.

I think I have said enough to cover most of the areas mentioned by the Senator. One point did strike me. He said that there was not the flow of information which there might be and people were not perhaps as well informed as they might be of the activities of UNESCO and the Irish National Commission in particular. I will have a look at that situation to see if anything can be done about it. I maintain the position that the Irish National Commission is representative and that since it was revived in 1977 it has been functioning effectively.

The Minister never got the questionnaire?

The Seanad adjourned at 8 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 17 June 1980.

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