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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 11 Jul 1985

Vol. 108 No. 16

Adjournment Matter. - Dunnes Stores Workers South African Visit.

Thank you for permitting me to raise this matter on the Adjournment. Before I start and with your permission I propose to leave some of my time available to allow Senators Eoin Ryan, McAuliffe and Bulbulia to speak as well on the issue because I think it is an issue which goes well beyond any individual convictions.

On the question of the Dunne's workers, we would want to be perfectly clear, given some of the propaganda that has issued from South Africa recently, why they went. They went to South Africa, before all else, because they were invited by a very prominent and brave black South African, Bishop Tutu. It was interesting that at a time when the South Africa Home Affairs Ministry were issuing what were quite scurrilious statements about their motives, Bishop Tutu was actually involved in a tremendous act of bravery, rescuing somebody from an angry mob because he felt that was not the way to change South Africa's present awful injustices. This is the man who had invited them, this impassioned defender of peaceful change. Yet because of reasons which I hope we can talk about here these people who were invited by such a brave and such a peaceful man were refused admission to South Africa.

They went because he invited them to come to see the conditions under which the people they have been struggling to defend for almost 12 months lived. They went also in the light of the much proclaimed openness of South Africa, the fact that South Africa uses this argument about being open, about inviting people to come and see what it is really like. It uses this argument so loudly and sports people and entertainers go and give comfort to that particular obnoxious regime.

The Dunne's workers went to see for themselves. Because apparently they could not be trusted to come back with the usual whitewash that sports people very often use about South Africa, because they had demonstrated by their actions that they knew what it was to take a stand on an issue of principle, they were not welcome in South Africa.

Being made unwelcome would be bad enough in itself, but it is important to put on the record of this House, as it has to some extent been done on the record of the other House, what precisely is the position. I would like to make one thing fairly clear here because I think the contrast is worthwhile. I was in Jan Smuts airport in Johannesburg relatively recently on perfectly legitimate business. I was endeavouring to meet the representatives of the United Democratic Front and, therefore, unfortunately had to enter South Africa to do so since there was no way these people could meet me otherwise. I was travelling on a diplomatic passport and was, therefore, identified as a politician and presumably, given the extent of the South Africa security services, it would not have been unknown to them that Ireland was very hostile to apartheid. Yet, not even a quibble was raised about myself or, indeed, four or five other Irish parliamentarians who also wanted to meet the South Africa opposition. We never had any doubts in our minds about why we were visiting South Africa. It was because we wanted to give comfort, support and solidarity to those who were resisting apartheid. We were not in any way refused permission. We were let through with a quick look at our passport and a stamp and that was it.

Yet ten ordinary citizens of Dublin, ordinary shop workers, were refused admission when they went with an invitation from a senior churchman and, indeed, from the entire South African Council of Churches. When they were refused, it was not simply an innocent refusal saying you must go back. They were treated to the most sinister methods of intimidation of being kept incommunicado, of having people marching around them with guns, these workers who have been passionate in their insistence on non-violence, who were most upset in the entire 12 months of their strike by the idiots who attempted to use violence against Dunnes Stores. That, more than anything else, nearly broke their spirit, that somebody would exploit their stand for violence. The South African authorities insisted on the use of people with guns and all the trappings of racist South Africa and its repression to convey the impression that these people were a threat.

Of course, the South African authorities are right in one way — because the possibility that increasing numbers of people in all of the countries of Western Europe, as is happening, quite evidently, in the United States and North America generally, will begin to say no to dealing with South Africa, to say no to investment in South Africa, to say no to trade with South Africa, and to say no to the whole sorry mess of apartheid, the possibility that the fact that ordinary people are doing this sort of thing is of far more concern to South Africa than all the angry denunciations of all of the political establishment. What the South Africans know is that in spite of all the talk, in spite of all the condemnation, trade between Europe, America and South Africa is increasing and developing at a most alarming rate. EC investment in South Africa is increasing and increasing rapidly in spite of all the talk about the horrible nature of the regime.

Therefore, when ordinary people, who are not part of any political process, who are not involved in the niceties of diplomacy, when ordinary people take a stand, that sort of thing is liable to be highly contagious, to be highly infectious, and to be highly effective. Therefore, you cannot tolerate such people. Even though in my judgment it was foolish and stupid and counterproductive the South Africans responded, as they have always responded to any real threat of organised and consistent action against them. They responded by the effective use of brute force, the refusal of admission and the return to Britain and Ireland on the first plane.

That, more than the strike at this stage, more than anything else, is the significance of the actions of the South African authorities, that ten ordinary citizens of this country, most of them shop workers who did not know, as they will probably tell you themselves, where South Africa was 12 months ago, who did not know anything about the nature of South Africa but who accepted a guideline from their union and over 12 months have come to understand with a deepening intensity the horrible nature of the South African regime, decided to go to visit the place and those people were sent back.

There is a significance in the realism of the South African authorities. In a way, sadly, most of the Irish political establishment, the Minister for Labour, the Labour Court and, indeed, the Minister for Foreign Affairs have all said the right things about these brave people but have stopped decisively short of any fundamental gestures or actions of support and, indeed, the Labour Court in my view tied itself up in a sorry mess getting involved in assessments of what is and what is not immoral, which is an extraordinary role for a Labour Court to get involved in — telling people what is and what is not immoral. All of those people did not understand as clearly as the South African authorities the significance of what these people have done and are doing and the significance is that they know what South Africa is about and they have demonstrated quite clearly what is the one fundamental lever we have for dealing with the regime and that is to end all trade and all investment with South Africa.

In order to leave time for a number of other speakers, I will conclude by simply suggesting that there are a number of specific things we need to do. We need to go — and the Minister is here and I hope he will say this — beyond inquiries with South Africa. We need specific actions. We had them in the past. We had them the last time there was a massacre and the tragedy now is that there are massacres so frequently in South Africa that the amount of mileage that has been given to them in the media is getting smaller and smaller. There were seven or was it ten people killed this week in South African townships, massacred apparently in cold blood by the police, people in a cinema at a funeral meeting being attacked by the police and shot. This, I hope, is the dying kick of a dying regime.

It is time for us not to wait for other people who have vested interests, not to wait for bigger countries who have vested interests to take action. The first thing is, obviously, the ending of the no visas arrangement. It is wrong that people from South Africa, particularly given the present unfair order in South Africa, should have some sort of privileged entry that no other African country has to this country, and that is the right to enter without visas. That should be ended immediately.

If we cannot have international sanctions and if the Government are not prepared to get involved in legally binding sanctions, they ought at least, in the manner of the Health Education Bureau begin publicly to support a campaign to boycott South African produce, even if we do not have a legal ban on all imports. Nothing should be imported from South Africa or exported to it without a licence so that we know who is exporting it and who is importing it.

Finally, and if anything of what I had to say goes out to the media today, I think what this country needs most of all now clearly, categorically and unequivocally, is a complete and utter boycott on Dunnes Stores, on Ben Dunne and on his allies, until these people are recognised, not just a boycott on Henry Street but every branch of Dunnes Stores because they are seen now, whether they wish it or not, to be the allies of South Africa. They are the ones who locked out the strikers, the only other people who locked them out were the racist regime in South Africa. Dunnes Stores should be boycotted by anybody with a conscience.

I am grateful to my colleague, Senator Brendan Ryan, for allowing me a few minutes to speak on this significant motion on the Adjournment. This incident of the expulsion of the Dunnes Stores workers from Jan Smuts International Airport in South Africa has, in fact made international headlines. We often think when we read our newspapers here at home that perhaps this kind of news is confined to the Irish papers but, in fact, it has made international headlines and has been the cause of a furore in South Africa.

The actions of the South African Government have been described by the South African Progressive Party as immature, defensive and paranoid. I absolutely concur with that criticism of the authorities reaction to the Dunnes' Stores workers. It was bizzare and extraordinary, but anybody who has been watching South Africa, as I have over the past 20 odd years since I was one of the early members of the anti-apartheid movement was not surprised at their extraordinary reaction to the visit of these Dunnes Stores workers to South Africa. It is entirely in character and in keeping with this repressive, offensive regime.

Apartheid is just about the most immoral system in the world today. We should not be in any doubt about that. Any one of us who is privileged enough to belong to the Legislature of this country should be prepared to take a stand and a very strong stand in condemning apartheid and in giving support to these young people who have taken a very principled and, what has been for them a very painful stand in the matter of South Africa. Very often we tend to exhibit on display our principles purely and solely in the matter of sexual morality. Morality is something that to my mind belongs to a far, far wider context and I laud and commend and praise these young people for their courageous stand. I protest in the strongest possible terms against the actions taken by the South African Government in relation of this delegation.

It is hardly surprising, because South Africa is a police State, as we have now seen for ourselves, and the eyes of the world have been turned towards South Africa. We have been given proof, if proof were needed, that this is a most oppressive and repressive police State. Their action has been totally unacceptable though at least it is possible to understand it from their perspective. It is true to say that this visit was probably intended to embarrass the South African authorities. Why should we not be in the business of embarrassing them? They have disgraced themselves. It has exposed their sensitivity to criticism. Nobody, it seems, is to be invited in to examine their system or to criticise it. They are quite happy to accept visits from sporting groups who will, perhaps, gloss over the inequities and the obvious injustices of the regime, because in general people who belong to sporting organisations and who go to play a game are not politicised. These young people, when they first embarked on their action in mounting pickets outside Dunne's Stores, were not politicised. But it has interested me greatly to see their politicisation occur over the time since they first decided not to handle South African goods. They would certainly have examined clinically and efficiently the system up close and they would have come back and told us exactly what they found there. Therefore, it is clear proof, if proof were needed, that South Africa has a great deal to hide and that it certainly is not prepared to expose it to the critical analysis of these young Dunne's Stores workers.

Even as we talk in this Seanad the copies of this debate will be analysed by the South African security authorities. All of those who have spoken will be listed in some primula file or some other classification which they give to people whom they claim are subversives. I am particularly conscious of the fact when I speak that I have particular relationships and ties with that country. Nevertheless, it is terribly important that people should take a principled stand on this issue. We cannot and must not be neutral on the issue of apartheid.

I am a little unhappy about the "no visa" arrangement which has been proposed by Senator B. Ryan. I am conscious that it would include South Africans who are non-white. We do get non-white South African visitors to this country.

I am sorry to interrupt. In view of the fact that there is a division in the Dáil and the Minister of State has to leave, do you wish to continue or do you wish to have the Seanad adjourned until he returns?

I will defer to the wishes of the proposer of the motion, Senator Brendan Ryan.

Acting Chairman

I would further point out that the Senator has approximately only four minutes left. The Minister of State has ten minutes to reply.

I am conscious of the fact that there are time constraints and that there are two speakers who wish to follow me, so I will conlude. I am fully in support of economic sanctions. I am unhappy about "no visa" arrangements to South African visitors to this country because it would be seen purely and simply as a retalitatory action which would give us instant satisfaction, perhaps, but would be a denial of the sort of freedom which we cherish.

I would like to support the previous speakers in relation to this motion. I agree that the action of the South African Government was absolutely deplorable but, of course, not surprising because they are well aware of the reprehensible nature of the regime. Because of that they are, not surprisingly, sensitive to criticism and nervous of anyone who would expose the injustice and the abuse of human rights which exists in the country at the present time. Only those who accept apartheid are welcome in that country. It is an unfortunate fact that sometimes we have people going from this country who are quite complacent about it and seem to accept it. In this case it was people who were going for a very legitimate reason, but were not willing to accept apartheid or to ignore what was going on there.

The Government must review the position of visas. I agree that there are pros and cons. It is a difficult subject and a difficult decision to make. Nevertheless, I do not think the Government can accept with impunity the manner in which Irish citizens were treated by the South African Government and they must give this very serious thought.

Finally, the only good thing about this incident is that it has highlighted to many people who perhaps did not pay much attention up to now the type of regime that exists there. It will probably encourage them to impose a boycott on South African goods and, finally, help to end the extremely reprehensible regime that exists there at present.

I would like to thank Senator B. Ryan for affording me time just to give a short expression to my feelings on the subject. I welcome this opportunity to express solidarity with the brave stand taken by these young people against the system which denies basic human rights to people because they are not white. This system is particularly obnoxious in its slave-labour practices, in its area-type racism and its policy of banishment to the Homelands of those particularly undesirable to the system. We Irish, who are familiar with the Cromwellian "To hell or to Connacht" system and who see on our island another form of apartheid, can well identify with the plight of the non-white South African. We Irish, despite this inherent and traditional level of understanding, still help the South African exclusive system by trading not only in the food area but in the highly sensitive technological area. We are major contributors, too, in the significant area of entertainment and sport. In support of what Senator Ryan has said, I too say that it is time to stop talking and to act to stop this assistance in any form. It is a time, indeed, for a total boycott as an expression of our anti-apartheid stance.

I might add, that great prestige is afforded the white South African by visits from our major entertainers and sports people. We are familiar with names which are stars in this country in both fields. I appeal to these Irish people to stop entertaining a group who are so completely exclusive and do so in the full glare of publicity to achieve maximum effect in expressing an anti-apartheid stance.

The decision by the South African Government to refuse entry to the Dunnes' Stores strikers demonstrates the existence of a totalitarian regime which is not open to questioning or, indeed, to negotiations. It also demonstrates that there is little respect for our people and our country.

Like Senator Brendan Ryan, I would say let us stop our assistance now. I speak as a member of the Labour Party and for many of my members who joined the picket and who will do so again, particularly in the aftermath of the recent event.

Acting Chairman

I wish to draw the Senator's attention to the fact that the proposer's time has now expired.

May I first assure Senators that the Government share the concern that has been expressed from all quarters at the actions of the South African authorities in refusing entry to the Dunnes' Stores strikers and other members of their party earlier this week.

The party set off on Monday but, when waiting to board their flight at London Airport that night were informed by a South African official that most of them would be required to complete visa applications before they could be admitted to South Africa, the normal visa exemption having been rescinded in their cases. The party were eventually let proceed by the British Airways authorities without completion of the visa application forms. Upon reaching Johannesburg the group were held, apparently under guard, in the transit area of the airport for a number of hours and were not permitted to proceed through immigration. They were later returned to London on another British Airways flight where they arrived yesterday morning. I understand the group are scheduled to return to Ireland this afternoon.

As I said in the Dáil on Tuesday:

The group had travelled to South Africa at the invitation of Nobel laureate, Bishop Desmond Tutu and other leaders of the South African Council of Churches. The purpose of their visit was entirely peaceful and open; to meet leaders of groups which oppose the apartheid system and victims of racial injustice.

In these circumstances the Government failed to see what justification there was for refusing entry to the group, or for attempting to impose selective visa requirements on the group, a departure from existing practice under which Irish citizens do not require visas to enter South Africa. On instructions the Minister Plenipotentiary at the Irish Embassy in London raised these matters with the South African Embassy.

My Department contacted the honorary consul in Johannesbourg, Ireland's only representative in South Africa, in advance of the group's departure and alerted him before the plane landed. The consul travelled to the airport but was unable to gain access to the group where they were detained. On inquiring of the South African authorities in Pretoria, he was informed that it had been decided to refuse the group entry and that they would be sent back to London on the first available flight. It has subsequently emerged that a British consular official was permitted access to one of the group who had a British passport. A formal explanation has now been sought, from the South African authorities, as to why this occurred as well as for the actions taken in both London and Johannesburg.

Clarification has also been requested of the situation now obtaining with regard to the apparent introduction of visa requirements for Irish citizens.

While every country has a right to exclude non-nationals which it deems to be undesirable, the action of the South African authorities in this case is difficult to understand. The group's invitation was from the South African Council of Churches, a body committed, as is this Government, to working for a peaceful end to the apartheid system. By no stretch of the imagination could the group be classed as a threat to South Africa nor is it possible to see what useful purpose their exclusion will serve from the South African point of view. Indeed, to world opinion this action will appear as further evidence, if any were needed, of the unjust nature of the South African state.

I do not have to repeat here the Government's well known opposition to and abhorrence of the system of apartheid. We intend to continue to seek to secure peaceful change in South Africa and an end to the system of apartheid by working through the United Nations and in European Political Co-operation to that end. It would, I consider, be wrong to take precipitate action in response to this affair. My Department are currently examining the desirability of imposing a visa requirement on South African citizens with a view to making a recommendation to the Department of Justice in the matter. The issue is a complex one, given the likelihood of reciprocal action by the South Africans with consequences for both Irish citizens resident in South Africa and our aid workers and our aid effort in landlocked Lesotho. I need hardly state, however, that this most recent occurrence will be taken into account in our examination of the matter.

Ireland will also continue to support the idea of effective economic sanctions against South Africa under UN auspices. We co-sponsored a resolution to this effect at the last General Assembly. For such sanctions to be effective Ireland considers they should be carefully chosen, graduated, properly imposed by the Security Council, in accordance with the Charter of the UN, and fully implemented.

In conclusion, Senators will be aware that my colleague the Minister for Labour has circulated proposals for a conference of the major supermarket chains to agree a voluntary code regarding the sale of South African produce as recommended by the Labour Court in its findings on the Dunne's Stores dispute. It is to be hoped that a way will be found to bring the dispute to an end and to enable the strikers to return to work before long. It is also to be hoped that the South African authorities will relent so that, should some of the group again seek to try to enter South Africa, as reports suggest they may, they will be accommodated.

The Seanad adjourned at 5.30 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 17 July 1985.

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