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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 4 Feb 1998

Vol. 154 No. 1

Limerick City Air Quality: Motion.

I move:

That Seanad Éireann calls on the Minister for the Environment and Local Government to introduce the measures necessary to ensure that Limerick city has the same smoke-free status as is currently operating in Dublin city.

I could pepper my contribution with statistics but the people of Limerick do not need to hear the statistics to know that the air quality is deteriorating steadily. In my work as a public representative and as a teacher I have become aware of this problem. When one approaches Limerick city from any of the national routes a pall of smoke is visible over the city, particularly on frosty nights.

I have taught geography for many years and it is ironic that my geography students would typify those who are most at risk from smoke emissions yet who are also most aware of why we should not have such harmful emissions. I have noticed over the past few years that levels of absenteeism among children who suffer from asthma have increased. I do not have statistics on these children but many of them attend their local GPs and it can be a costly affliction. However, it is an issue that is raised regularly with me. It is particularly noticeable among those who have moved to Limerick, who may have had mild asthma which has worsened. They have asked me to propose smoke-free status for Limerick.

A deterioration in air quality in Dublin was allowed to continue unchecked in the late 1980s and the failure to act then led to chronic smog levels and consequent health risks. The 1996 EPA air pollution statistics for Limerick city show that the air quality has deteriorated significantly since the beginning of the 1990s. Air quality is monitored at four locations in the city — Moyross, Southill, Ballykeeffe and in the city centre at the Todds-Roches Stores intersection. Limerick is now in a similar position to Dublin in the late 1980s. There is a smog problem waiting to happen and now is the time to take firm action to prevent a similar situation to that in Dublin developing.

There are benefits to declaring Limerick a smoke-free zone. Poor air quality presents risks to everybody. Those most at risk are children and those who suffer from respiratory illnesses. It is only anecdotal evidence which suggests that Limerick has a higher incidence of asthma than any other part of the country. The Mid-Western Health Board should conduct a comprehensive survey to establish whether this evidence is supported by the facts. Smoke filled air, caused by burning coal, seriously aggravates the condition of many asthmatics.

Parents often tell me that when they send their children to the local shop in the evening, the children return with their clothes smelling of smoke. Those children would be more alert to these problems than our generation. They realise they are at risk and want their parents to do something about it. We must take action to protect their health. I await the results of a survey by the health board to confirm the anecdotal evidence that there are higher levels of asthma in Limerick than elsewhere. As I said, as a teacher I have noticed an increase in absenteeism among younger children.

We know that prevention is better than cure and now is the time to make Limerick a smoke-free zone. In 1990, in response to a public clamour for action on Dublin's smog problem, regulations prohibiting the marketing, sale and distribution of bituminous coal in the built up areas of the city were made under the Air Pollution Act, 1987. Since then there has been a dramatic improvement in air quality, an improvement to which all Dubliners would attest. Smog poses a greater threat to Limerick than to Dublin. Limerick is in a similar position to that in which Cork city found itself in 1994 when the Corkonians decided to extend a ban on bituminous coal to that city. The problem was tackled in Cork before it got out of control. I am sure Senator Cregan will allude to the positive effects of Cork being declared a smoke-free zone in 1994.

The EU intends to lower the acceptable levels for air pollution in the near future. Statistics for air pollution recorded in certain parts of Limerick, including Ballykeeffe and Moyross, show that they would be in breach of the new minimum air quality standards and they are fast approaching the new limit. It is time to take preventative action and extend the regulations to include Limerick city. I am aware that this cannot be achieved overnight. However, there is a need for an initial public awareness campaign to educate people about various alternative fuels. A special grants scheme must be made available to assist householders make the necessary conversion to smokeless fuels. I will be demanding an effective system for monitoring the price of smokeless fuels. If there is any danger of a price cartel emerging I will be insisting that the Director of Consumer Affairs investigates the situation with a view to imposing price controls. The consumer should not have to pay extra for being environmentally conscious.

The creation of a smoke free zone in Limerick city does not require complicated legislation but an order by the Minister for the Environment and Local Government. We must learn from the experiences of Dublin and Cork which point to the dangers of allowing the problem to go too far and the benefits of preventative action. Limerick city is growing rapidly. Many new housing and industrial developments are under way. The projected population for my area — Castletroy — is 20,000 in ten years time. Now is the time for the Government to take the necessary steps to protect the health of the population.

I second this motion. The quality of air has improved in Dublin city since it became a smoke free zone as a result of the Air Pollution Act, 1987. It improved dramatically since the ban on the marketing and distribution of smoking or bituminous coal. This improvement has resulted in a substantial reduction in the levels of smoke and sulphur dioxide in the atmosphere. This is particularly noticeable in the winter when heating demands are at a peak and the weather conditions are conducive to poor air quality.

I recently studied a graph which provided a historical review of the levels of smoke and sulphur dioxide concentrations in milligrams per cubic metre between 1982 and 1997. Smoke levels were at their highest in 1986-7 with an average reading of 60. They were at their lowest in 1996-7 with an average reading of 10. Sulphur dioxide levels were at their highest in 1983-4 with an average reading of 60. They were at their lowest in 1996-7 with an average reading of 8. These figures illustrate the downward trend in smoke and sulphur dioxide levels since 1987. Results have continued to improve so that the levels of smoke and sulphur dioxide now comply with EU limits. Before the ban we were often in breach of those limits. The monitoring stations now indicate that these levels comply with the more stringent World Health Organisation guidelines.

Prior to 1990, 80 per cent of the smog problem in Dublin was caused by the burning of bituminous coal. The Government decided to go to the heart of the matter to ensure that clean air would prevail throughout the city by making an order banning the sale of bituminous coal. In certain areas, the special control order imposed requirements on householders to change their method of heating. Smokeless fuel is more expensive than bituminous coal so the Government made funding available to low income earners and those on social welfare to ensure that the extra cost would be minimised. As a result of this policy, Bord Gáis and the ESB, in particular, continue to make substantial inroads into the home heating market by offering highly competitive conversion packages. This has resulted in a substantial number of customers converting to gas and electricity heating thus improving air quality.

All these measures have improved the air quality in Dublin. We all have experience of this, particularly those who suffer from respiratory diseases. When smoke and sulphur dioxide levels were at their highest in 1987, especially in cold weather, many elderly people were admitted to hospital suffering from respiratory problems and, unfortunately, there were some casualties. This is now unheard of. The smoke free environment has made it possible for the elderly and those with respiratory diseases to live normal and happy lives. I would like Limerick city to share the benefits which Dublin has experienced over the past few years. I have pleasure in seconding this motion.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "Seanad Éireann" and substitute the following:

"welcomes the commitment in the Action Programme for the Millennium to extend the ban on bituminous coal to major urban areas".

This amendment will encompass Senator Jackman's wishes. Both sides of the House wish to ensure that people live in a healthy environment which is not polluted by any substances, including bituminous fuel emissions. Those who enjoyed reading Angela's Ashes may have given consideration to conditions in Limerick. Workers spent much time in unacceptable conditions on the coal ships which came up the Shannon. The Limerick Steamship Company was the biggest importer of coal. I remember being at Limerick docks and seeing the dirt and dust in the city. People burned this coal creating many of the health problems associated with bituminous coal emissions.

The atmosphere in Dublin has improved dramatically since the ban on bituminous fuel. However, it does not appear that the monitoring of the situation is satisfactory. I do not know if anyone has been brought before the courts for selling or burning bituminous fuel since the introduction of the ban. Quite an amount of cheap coal is coming into the country. It is called "cheap coal" but, in fact, it is low grade fuel. Quite an amount of this fuel has been coming into County Limerick for years. One can see the different qualities of coal in different parts of the country and the different emissions levels from cheap coal as opposed to high quality fuel.

This amendment is complementary to the motion. An extension of the ban to major urban areas through the Action Programme for the Millennium will include Limerick city. It would take until the new millennium to pass legislation banning this fuel in Limerick. Senator Jackman should agree to this amendment.

I welcome the opportunity to underline the fact that air quality in Ireland is generally good. However, I also recognise that improvements can be made and are desirable in respect of certain areas and certain pollutants. Constant vigilance is required to protect and, where necessary, improve our air quality.

Awareness of atmospheric pollution first developed from recognition of the local effects of winter smog on human health, usually in urban or heavily urbanised areas. The acute nature of this problem in other countries has meant that effective action had to be taken many years ago. For example, the Clean Air Act in the UK came into force more than 40 years ago. Then came an appreciation of regional influences on air quality and of the transboundary environmental damage caused by acid rain due to man-made emissions of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Awareness has also developed of photochemical pollution related to high growth in road traffic. Ireland now has a national network for monitoring ground level ozone and a public alert system in place should levels warrant it.

More recently, the importance of global impacts have been recognised and, at this scale, the adverse impacts of greenhouse gas emissions, such as carbon dioxide, are now causing widespread concern. Indeed, at Kyoto last December, the developed world at last agreed to binding reductions on greenhouse emissions of over 5 per cent below 1990 levels by 2008-12. The EU legally binding target for this global effort, to which Ireland will contribute, will be the achievement of an overall reduction of 8 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions in this period.

We are also likely to face increased international obligations in the future arising from the negotiations at EU and UN levels on reduced ceilings of emissions of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. Ceilings on emissions to the atmosphere of heavy metals and persistent organic pollutants are also being developed under the aegis of the UN Economic Commission for Europe.

We are committed to meeting our obligations at international level to assist in the task of combating global climate change and the impacts of transboundary atmospheric pollution. We are equally concerned to maintain and improve our air quality at national and local level. We must, therefore, target appropriate policy and actions at the different levels and quality issues. That is why the commitment to extending the ban on bituminous coal to major urban areas is part of our programme for Government.

Good air quality is essential to human health and well being. Air quality and emissions to air also influence the quality of both the natural and the built environment. Air quality standards which are intended to protect public health have been set both nationally and at EU level on the basis of research and analysis undertaken by the World Health Organisation.

These standards are set by reference to both the longer term impacts and the impacts of shorter, more acute incidents of severe pollution. The limit values for smoke are expressed in a number of ways, the most relevant for assessing urban quality being the winter median daily of mean values, set at 130 microgrammes per cubic metre, and the 98-percentile of daily mean values, set at 250 microgrammes per cubic metre. The 98-percentile limit allows only a total of seven values exceeding the 250 microgrammes per cubic metre limit in a full year and there is a further requirement that more than three such values on consecutive days would also mean a breach of the limit. There are guidelines set by the EU also, intended for the further protection of human health and the environment. These are set at 40 to 60 microgrammes per cubic metre in respect of the annual mean, and 100 to 150 microgrammes per cubic metre in respect of the maximum daily mean.

The Government is conscious of these standards in health and environmental terms. Excessive levels of smoke pollution in the atmosphere can create conditions which are extremely uncomfortable and unhealthy. International experience and independent Irish research have shown that they are associated with increased hospital admissions, increased morbidity and a peak in mortality. Acute effects may include immediate irritations to the eyes and throat or hospitalisation, or even deaths from respiratory failure or heart attacks. Chronic effects may include decreased pulmonary function, and there are specific high risk groups, such as the elderly, people with asthma and people with diseases of the lungs. Research has identified a clear link between lung and respiratory related hospital admissions and peaks in poor urban air quality.

Environmental effects include the blackening of stonework in our cities by smoke in the atmosphere, and the attack on that stonework by the associated acidification of rainfall by sulphur dioxide. We have spent substantial sums of money on cleaning and repairing the damage to buildings caused by smoke in the past and we need to be vigilant to ensure that the damage is not repeated.

Air quality in Dublin was a major problem in the past. For example, smoke levels were as high as 1,800 microgrammes per cubic metre on occasions, over seven times in excess of the EU limit value of 250 microgrammes per cubic metre. These levels were reached during particularly adverse climate conditions. During inversions, including when the weather is particularly cold and still, smoke cannot rise high into the atmosphere and is not dispersed by the wind; pollutants sit where they are emitted. These are the kind of conditions in which excessive smoke can impact on health and on the fabric of urban areas.

The prevalence of smoke and its impact on air quality is monitored by local authorities. There is an extensive network of smoke monitors in urban areas. Apart from Dublin and Cork, there are 16 other towns and cities, including most major population centres, where the levels of smoke in the atmosphere are monitored. In Limerick, the corporations has monitors in Southill, Moyross and at Todds. The county council has a further monitor in the urban area, situated at Ballykeeffe on the Dooradoyle side of the city. Monitoring results from all local authorities are received in my Department and are also sent to the Environmental Protection Agency. The agency analyses the data on a regular basis and publishes the results.

The "State of the Environment Report", published by the Environmental Protection Agency in 1996, concludes:

Overall, air pollution associated with. smoke emissions from stationary combustion sources has been almost eliminated in Ireland. There is now widespread compliance with national air quality standards and EU limit values.

With regard to Dublin, the report notes:

For the first time in ten years, there was no exceedance of any Directive smoke limit value in 1990/1991 and there were none for any reference period in the three subsequent years.

The report also noted that there was a 70 per cent decrease in smoke concentrations overall in Dublin in terms of the 98-percentile and the winter median value.

A further report by the Environmental Protection Agency, entitled the "Air Quality Monitoring Annual Report 1996", published in December 1997, confirms this trend and notes:

. concentrations of smoke . were very low during the 1996/1997 annual period at all monitoring sites and were very much in compliance with current Irish air quality standards.

With regard to Cork, the 1996 report shows the heartening result that the smoke levels in the city have come down significantly since the introduction of the bituminous coal ban in 1995.

The smog problem in Dublin was successfully overcome by banning the marketing, sale and distribution of bituminous coal in the city from the start of the heating season in October 1990. A dramatic and immediate improvement was experienced over the following winters. In the four years after 1990-1, the 98-percentile smoke value averaged 77 microgrammes per cubic metre compared with 256 microgrammes per cubic metre in the four years prior to this. The corresponding levels for the 1996-7 period was 41 microgrammes per cubic metre.

The successful approach in Dublin was repeated in Cork in February 1995. The air quality in these two cities has now improved to the extent that the 98-percentile smoke levels for the 1996-7 heating season were in the range of 41 to 66 microgrammes per cubic metre, with no station recording a 98-percentile reading of 84 microgrammes per cubic metre. This is well below the EU limit value of 250 microgrammes per cubic metre. Thankfully, we do not expect the levels of smoke in Dublin and Cork to rise again towards the historic levels at any time in the future.

The systematic monitoring of air quality by local authorities and the annual analysis of the results by the Environmental Protection Agency now consistently show that all urban areas are well within the statutory air quality standard for smoke. The results also show that the quality of air in Dublin and Cork is generally better than that in a number of other cities and towns. I am conscious, however, of the fact that there is some public concern regarding the continued use of bituminous coal for urban home heating purposes.

There is a clear appreciation that public health and environmental conditions require our current good air quality to be maintained and smoke levels to be kept well within the widely accepted safety limits.

The Government is committed to a clean air policy. We want to see improvement, on a precautionary basis, in certain urban areas where smoke levels are higher than the average. The bans in Dublin and Cork have had a very beneficial effect on air quality and on the quality of life in these cities and the Government now wishes to secure improvements in air quality in other urban areas which could most benefit. This objective is in line with one of the strategic objectives for air quality outlined in "Sustainable Development — A Strategy for Ireland", published in April 1997, which sought to "maintain and, if possible, improve local air quality, particularly in urban areas, so as to minimise any health risk to the urban population and improve the quality of urban living".

My Department is now considering the financial and other implications of extending the ban on bituminous coal and I intend to make decisions in this regard in the near future. I will base my final decisions on the analysis by the Environmental Protection Agency of urban air quality up to the 1996-7 winter heating season. I have already detailed some of the EPA findings. I will also be reviewing data for some areas not included in the 1996 report, such as County Wicklow, where additional data are available to me.

It will be important to ensure that any extensions of the ban are properly determined so as to maximise the positive impact on urban air quality while ensuring that no undue burden is placed on householders, local authorities, the solid fuel industry or the Exchequer. It is my intention, therefore, to give careful consideration to all the issues involved. I am aware that the solid fuel industry would need a reasonable lead time to allow for proper forward planning or purchase requirements and to put contracts in place. Local authorities would also need time to plan for their enforcement requirements. Therefore, I would hope to be in a position to conclude this process in the next six weeks or so, in view of the lead times involved prior to the 1998-9 winter heating season which commences at the beginning of October next.

The current winter heating season has been kind to Limerick so far. There were only two days, at the beginning of December, when the concentration levels reached approximately 75 per cent of the 250 microgrammes per cubic metre limit value.

Nevertheless, Limerick is one of the areas under consideration in the context of the Government's commitment in regard to the extension of the ban on bituminous coal. While well within air quality limits, smoke levels in Limerick in recent years have been somewhat above those in Dublin and Cork over the same period.

Other comparisons show that in 1995-6, the 98-percentile smoke levels in Dublin were at 55 microgrammes per cubic metre and at 107 in Limerick. This level of differential was more marked for 1994-5 with Dublin at 28 and Limerick at 101. In 1996-7, the last year for which data are published, Limerick was at 99 compared to 41 microgrammes per cubic metre for Dublin.

The highest reading for smoke in Limerick in 1996-7 was 225 microgrammes per cubic metre at Ballykeeffe. The highest readings in the city area were lower, 173 microgrammes per cubic metre at Moyross and 145 microgrammes per cubic metre at Todds. The highest reading so far this winter has been 196 microgrammes per cubic metre at Moyross in December, 153 at Todds, 79 at Southhill and 70 at Ballykeeffe. These are all readings for one day only and for the rest of the time readings are substantially lower.

Banning bituminous coal has implications for the fuel industry. The solid fuel industry throughout the country recognises its continuing decline as people move to more convenient fuels. Experience has shown that the introduction of a ban on bituminous coal accelerates this kind of change.

While figures are not readily available and it is not possible to give a breakdown between the amounts of solid fuel sold in Limerick and in the surrounding areas, it is estimated by the trade that in the region of 15,000 to 20,000 tonnes of solid fuel are sold annually in the urban area. The main fuel is coal, with trade split between a limited number of distributors. Figures for coal trade employment in the Limerick area are not readily available, given its fragmented nature.

In regard to costs, all recipients of the weekly £5 national fuel scheme in the coal ban areas of Dublin and Cork receive a £3 weekly "top-up" smokeless fuel allowance. These are the longer term disadvantaged and include most categories of long-term social welfare recipients. In addition, some categories of shorter term social welfare recipients also receive the £3 allowance in Dublin and Cork after three months, in certain family circumstances. These include categories such as disability benefit, unemployment benefit, short-term unemployment allowance and family income support. There are approximately 5,800 recipients of the national fuel allowance scheme in Limerick city currently, with another 500 who could qualify for the "top-up" after three months if the ban were extended to Limerick.

As I have said, my overall assessment of financial and other implications associated with extending the coal ban is not yet concluded. While final decisions have not been made, I am examining the appropriateness of a bituminous coal ban in Limerick. In this regard, I am conscious that air quality in the city is lower than the air quality now achieved in Dublin and Cork.

In conclusion, I wish to assure this House that the quality of urban air is an important issue for Government. It is one I am pursuing as a matter of urgency, and I look forward to continuing improvements over the coming years as a result of the action I am planning in the future.

As a resident of central Dublin, I noticed that the changes in the air quality following the ban on bituminous coal were remarkable. I would like to see the ban being extended to other urban areas such as Limerick and I welcome the commitment the Minister of State has given on that.

The Minister stated that the cost implications of a ban must be taken into account. However, that cost must be measured against the enormous cost implications of the continuous use of bituminous coal in the coming years. It might be cheaper to recompense traders or those people who would have to change their domestic heating equipment than to continue burning coal.

We are all aware of the enormous increase in the incidence of asthma on a global basis. I cannot offer absolute reasons for that but there is strong evidence that air pollution is a very important factor in the increase in the incidence of asthma which, in Irish children, has increased almost ten fold in the last generation. Even allowing for better diagnosis of asthma, that is an extraordinary increase.

One must also consider the number of cases of pneumonia occurring in older people who are city centre dwellers and who would perhaps not have developed the disease after a flu or common cold were it not for the very high level of air pollution in the vicinity of their homes. We are inclined to forget the huge impact of lung disease on the development of cardiac disease. We see that in the way cardiac facilities have been extended in Dublin, Galway and probably Limerick as well. While the developments which have been made in treating cardiac disease are important, we must recognise that, together with cancer, this is our major killer. One must query the connection between the disposition to get emphysema and bronchitis and the development of cardiac disease in these areas.

If one cuts open a sheep's lung it is pink but a lung of a person opened in a post-mortem is grey. This is because the sheep spends its life on a mountain and does not breathe the polluted air we must breathe. It is a fascinating index of what happens to our lungs during our lifetime and how fibrous tissue is laid down which leads to difficulties in the heart having to pump through the pulmonary circulation. There is an enormous increase in cardiac problems associated with lung disease. It is important that we take lung disease into account in our efforts to combat cardiac disease. We must take urgent action in this regard. I know there are cost problems but when action was taken in Dublin it had a dramatic effect.

I welcome some other initiatives which have been taken by the Department of the Environment and Local Government. I am slightly worried that the amendment and motion concentrate solely on bituminous coal. We assess air quality on only the general measurement of sulphur dioxide and smoke particles, although some stations are measuring carbon dioxide emissions and lead and fuel particles.

It is very important to address the pollution in cities from the vastly increased number of cars. The Minister said efforts are being made to decrease air pollution on a global basis. In 1987 the production of carbon dioxide in urban areas in Ireland was about one third the level of global production. I wonder what it is now — it could be more than half the global level. Bituminous coal is a major source of pollution but we must also look at the serious effect on air pollution of the increase in cars, trucks and lorries on our roads.

The introduction of lead free petrol has made a great difference to the level of lead in the atmosphere. However, we must not forget about the pollution caused by carbon dioxide and fuel particles. The scheme to encourage people to update their cars to ones with more satisfactory internal combustion engines, which produce less pollution, was very important. It is good to see fewer cars spewing out fumes. I regret to say that State owned vehicles can sometimes be at fault in this regard. The huge increase in the number of trucks on our roads has greatly increased the level of pollution, which must be addressed.

However, to end on a cheering note, I was glad to see the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, implemented EU directives on volatile organic compounds last September. These compounds must now be collected at service stations, oil terminals and so forth. That pollution was addressed without any public protest.

Let us hope the Department of the Environment and Local Government realises we are extraordinarily supportive of the measures it is introducing to improve air quality. People sometimes think that because we are not heavily industrialised or urbanised air pollution is not likely to be a problem for us. However, this is not so because Third World countries which have very little industrial pollution have very heavy domestic pollution, particularly due to the burning of unsuitable materials which produce a great deal of smoke. It is important not to be sanguine just because we are on this lovely island in the Atlantic with the west wind blowing across us. The issue must be addressed, not just on an all island basis but also on a local basis.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House. There was a coalyard in Newbridge called Wallace's Coalyard but I do not know if the Minister of State has any connection with that industry.

I am happy to support the amendment, not because I disagree with the principle that there should be a ban on bituminous coal in Limerick but because other areas should also be looked at and because I am aware of the commitment in the Action Programme for the Millennium which I am sure will be honoured in line with all the other commitments. The Minister said he will be examining the matter in the coming weeks. The matter obviously requires a lead-in time but the measure could be brought in before next winter.

It is a matter of considerable satisfaction for the Progressive Democrats that the original measure in Dublin, which was so successful in markedly reducing the level of pollution as the Minister explained, was implemented by the Tánaiste when she was Minister of State in the Department of the Environment with responsibility for environmental protection. We can recall the situation in Dublin before that measure was implemented and the effects on air quality and human health. We have almost forgotten about that because the air quality is now so good. It is quite noticeable on days when we have this so-called air inversion that the air over Dublin city is clear but when I turn back towards Limerick I can see the smog over Naas and Newbridge. That is a very dramatic turnaround in the space of a few years.

I will not repeat the figures which the Minister of State cited. According to figures I have seen, between 1989 and 1993 there was a five to sixfold decrease in the level of smoke in the atmosphere. I am sure that dramatic effect is welcomed by the citizens of Dublin. The figures show the beneficial effects of introducing the same measure in Cork in 1995.

This has resulted in the levels in Limerick being higher than those of Dublin and Cork, which are much bigger cities. The levels are undesirably high and should be dealt with. In 1996-7 Moyross had the second highest level of micrograms of smoke per cubic metre of air in the country. If one is to proceed with the cleaning up of cities Limerick is the logical next step, which I know is the Minister's intention.

There was a motion before Limerick Corporation in December 1994 which called on the then Minister for the Environment, Deputy Howlin, to introduce this measure for Limerick. The motion, which was in the name of the then Lord Mayor, Councillor Dick Sadler of the Progressive Democrats, was carried by 14 votes to one. It is surprising to see a motion before this House calling for a measure which could have been implemented in 1994 when the previous Administration was in power. It should be recognised that there was an opportunity to do it, that a motion was passed almost unanimously by Limerick Corporation but that nothing happened on foot of that.

The Minister referred to the cost. One of the reasons the measure was so successful was the amount of money available under the fuel scheme was increased from £5 to £8. It was stated earlier that the level of compliance in Dublin is very high. I know the increase in the payment was of critical importance in that. I suggest the Minister look closely at a similar measure for Limerick to increase the payment. As far as I know, it has not increased over the past few years. It would be reasonable to examine a figure of £10 as opposed to £8 for the fuel scheme in the context of the coal ban. It is something I know Councillor Tim O'Malley, a Progressive Democrat candidate in Limerick, is ——

That is party political.

On the basis one candidate is present this evening, I do not see any reason we should not talk about another one.

The Senator should not refer to the by-election.

Councillor O'Malley recommended the measure, as do I to the Minister.

The Minister contrasted the situation with Cork. It is a Government priority to extend the measure and I know it will happen. As far as I am aware, the levels are still very high in Belfast.

One point I would make to the Minister in respect of WHO standards and draft directives from the European Union is that, while they are guides, I do not believe they should be used as absolutes. It should be our intention to have standards lower than those set by WHO and the EU. Our environment is very important to us in terms of job creation and attracting companies, such as Dell with 3,000 jobs for Limerick. The quality of the environment is extremely important not just from a health point of view but also in terms of inward investment.

I am pleased the Minister spoke of the precautionary principle. That is something which should be applied in general environmental matters and not just in dealing with smoke. We should act on the basis of taking precautions rather than having to clean up our act. I look forward to the commitment in the programme being delivered on.

One final point concerns figures quoted in technical terms. There should be a consistent standard whereby people can make comparisons. In this case it is microgrammes per cubic metre of air. I have struggled with the figures for the rate of flow on the River Liffey. One can find oneself dealing with many different parameters of which gallons per minute is one. It becomes extremely difficult for the layperson to make valid comparisons, and I believe that is sometimes intentional. When dealing with measurement, a common standard should be used so comparisons can be made.

Mr. Cregan

Bituminous coal is a danger to the public. That has been discovered already in Dublin and we are very much aware of it in Cork. The problem of eliminating it has been solved in the Dublin and Cork regions with the help of the traders and others. I see no reason it should not be done in Limerick, and I fail to understand why a long discussion must be entered into on it. Why is a regulation being implemented in two large urban areas, Dublin and Cork, and immediate consideration not being given to implementing it in all other urban areas, not just Limerick?

People spoke of the potential cost to the Department. I have known the Minister a long time and I congratulate him on his appointment and wish him well. It is the first time I have had the opportunity of speaking to him in this House. I know he is sincere. At the same time, we should seriously question the repercussions of changing the situation in Limerick. I believe they would be the same as they were in Cork. The local authority there met many traders, who made recommendations to it which it accepted and this led to the measure being very successful. The problem is not completely solved. Cork is in a valley, unlike Dublin which is flat. The Minister is aware of that. In one area both of us represent, Black-pool, there is still a problem when there are bland days in the city, but we are trying to solve it.

What incentives are being given? What promotions are being carried out? What recommendations are being made to people? There is a top up on the national fuel scheme for people using smokeless fuel in specific areas. Why is it not applied to the people of Limerick? What would it cost? There are 5,800 recipients of the national fuel allowance scheme in Limerick with another 500 who could possibly qualify for the top up after three months if the ban were extended to it. That is not an enormous cost. If a regulation is implemented in Dublin and Cork, it should be implemented in the entire country. Traders selling fuel have only to look at what happened to traders in Dublin and Cork and they will know how to cope.

What promotions are being carried out? What is Bord Gáis being asked to do in the Limerick region? Moyross and Ballykeeffe are the two areas where smoke pollution is particularly high. Moyross is an area where many people are unfortunately unemployed, like many parts of Cork.

And Dublin.

Mr. Cregan

I do not deny that. Many of these unemployed people require heat all day as do elderly people living in these areas. Pollution is being created all the time, unlike in the upper class areas where central heating, be it gas, oil or whatever, can be turned on and off.

The Minister said consideration will be given to extending this measure. I know if he says in six weeks' or two months' time he is seriously considering doing that, he will do it. However, I understand what Senator Jackman is saying. One cannot blame her if she believes no consideration is being given by the Government to Limerick. There is no reason a recommendation should not be made now that the same measure will apply to Limerick as to Cork and Dublin.

Is there any way an incentive can be created for people in Moyross or Ballykeeffe? Why can consideration not be given to financially assisting these people to change the fuel they use? Why is Bord Gáis not asked to take the same initiative in Limerick as it did in Cork and Dublin? It worked very well in those areas. I would sit by a coal fire all night, like many others here. I also have natural gas central heating. However, it is very hard to beat the natural resource available in Ireland and which also comes at a very reasonable cost. It would be cheaper for the people of Moyross to burn it over the winter than coal or another type of solid fuel. It would also be cheaper for the State.

Has this been investigated? Are we prepared to say to Senator Jackman that we will give an incentive to her local authority region to implement this measure? We should lead by example as it would cost very little. We should give the people of Moyross an extra £3 per week not to burn certain types of fuel. It is as simple as that. There is no reason that cannot be done. Serious consideration should be given to Senator Jackman's proposal. She has made a very strong case. There has been a 30 per cent increase in the number of cars on the road in the last five years and by taking less excise duty, we are giving people an incentive to buy unleaded fuel. That is important to us, to our children and to the environment.

Senator Jackman is correct in saying the younger generation will speak out more about the environment than any of us. They are telling us what to do, and they are right because they want to live in a health environment. Does anyone here know what it is like to be in Cork and to see State buses spewing out fumes? People will not put up with this any longer because they are learning how important the environment is from the television and in schools. Little did I think I would be speaking about the importance of environmental matters, such as trees in our cities.

Nobody would believe there is a smoke level regulation for Cork and Dublin but not for Limerick. Why not have that regulation in Limerick, Naas, Tullamore, Portlaoise, Waterford and Galway? There is no reason why it cannot apply to those places. Neither is there a reason fuel suppliers in these areas cannot learn from the fuel suppliers of Dublin and Cork.

I welcome the Minister of State and congratulate him on his election. A legislative framework for pollution control and abatement was provided by the Air Pollution Act, 1987. Many of the legislative controls introduced under the Act in relation to air purity and emissions are derived from a need to comply with EU legislation. In this regard, air quality standards for several pollutants centred on the pollution potential of some fuels and a licensing system to control polluting emissions from industrial plants are among a range of specific measures introduced by way of regulation under the Act. The Environmental Protection Agency Act, 1992, provides for integrated pollution control licensing by the agency in respect of major industries and other activities with a significant potential to cause pollution, including air pollution. Regulations introduced under road traffic legislation give effect to the variety of EU Directives aimed at reducing emissions from motor vehicles.

The most important national initiative in air pollution control has been the introduction of smoke control measures to alleviate problems of winter smog in the larger urban areas. These measures take the form of a ban on the marketing, sale and distribution of bituminous fuels in designated areas. They were introduced in Dublin and Cork in 1990 and 1995, respectively.

We know that banning the sale of bituminous fuels in these areas has been most successful and has improved air quality. The Governments that introduced the Environmental Protection Agency were Fianna Fáil led — in 1990 it was the Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrat Government, and in 1995, it was a Fianna Fáil Government.

I welcome measures that would ensure smoke-free status for Limerick similar to Dublin and Cork, and I am confident that the Government will treat Limerick as a priority area in this regard. The Minister stated that air quality in Dublin was a major problem in the past, with smoke levels as high as 1,800 microgrammes per cubic metre on occasion, which is over seven times the EU limit of 250 microgrammes per cubic metre, although those levels were reached in particularly adverse climatic conditions. Levels in Limerick are not that bad, but we are anxious that measures be taken to ensure that the city be smoke-free for the health of its people, as Senator Jackman said.

Limerick's pollution levels are lower than the EU limit, but the rising population may make smoke-free status necessary. The Limerick levels are reasonable because much of the heating is provided by gas and oil heating. That might not be the case in Moyross and Southill because people may not be able to afford the best fuel. Bituminous fuels cost £6.50 per bag, and smokeless coals cost £7.50 per bag. In addition to being cheaper, bituminous coal is sold in 50 kg bags while smokeless coal is sold in 40 kg bags, confusing people as to the size of the bags. People are being charged the same price for both bags; this should be examined.

Senator Jackman suggested that the Mid-Western Health Board should carry out a survey to establish the damage done to people's health, particularly in respect to asthma, which I would welcome. The Government is conscious of Limerick's need for smoke-free status and I am confident that the matter will be addressed. Senator Cregan stated that this should be done immediately. A motion was passed by Limerick Corporation by a margin of 14 to one in December 1994 on this issue, but the Government did nothing about it. Senator Jackman should have pursued this matter since then, but now that there is a by-election the matter is being debated.

This is irrelevant. If there was a by-election I would be canvassing. This is our first day back, and I am here doing my duty.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Kiely is in possession. We are debating smoke-free status for Limerick, not the by-election.

The matters are related.

The matters are closely related.

Senator Kiely is trying to raise a hare.

I do not like raising hares.

Senator Taylor-Quinn will set the hounds on you.

A motion was passed in December 1994 but no action was taken on it. This Government will take action.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Kiely should keep to the motion. I call Senator Ridge.

I thought I was at an election meeting when my colleague, Senator Dardis, referred to nearly all members of the Progressive Democrats and their part in saving us from unclean air. I acknowledge the part played by the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I also wish to acknowledge my own role in bringing in a smoke area order in Dublin County Council prior to the Minister introducing the legislation. Any sane person welcomes such measure regardless of where they emanate from.

I am surprised by Senator Kiely.

Senator Kiely is always full of surprises.

Many surprises are pleasant, but I do not know whether this one was. I always thought this Chamber was one where gentler forces prevailed and where support comes from the Opposition rather than the railing we have seen.

I do not see why Limerick should be discriminated against on the issue of clean air, particularly with so many fine by-election candidates. I am old enough to remember Dublin in the rare old times when it was called "dirty Dublin" for a very good reason. Layers of soot clung to every building. I hardly recognise some of the buildings I knew as a child and which are now clean and white. Obviously a clean air policy works. There was even a romantic attachment to smog and fog when one remembers Laurence Olivier and Vivienne Leigh on Westminster Bridge. My mother told me about that film which I saw recently.

In the early 1980s 3,650 local authority houses were built in north Clondalkin. Unbelievably, none of them had a central heating system installed. Everybody burned coal. The area has the doubtful claim of having the highest pollution levels in the country in 1988. I remember one December in particular when there were six days when the level of pollution was above the limit. It was dreadful. There was no wind and a pall of smog hung over the area. A specialist from St. James's Hospital spoke on the radio about the urgency of solving the problem because of the significant increase in the number of children and elderly being admitted to hospital with asthma.

I remember the initial problems regarding traders, referred to be Senator Cregan, but I am sure they have been solved. One of the reasons people were reluctant to change was that smokeless coal burned the fire basket necessitating the replacement of grates in a great number of houses in north Clondalkin. The coal has been refined and this problem does not occur anymore. I accept Senator Cregan's point regarding the availability of natural gas.

I do not see why all Members will not support the motion. Like virtue, it is not possible to be against it. We are entitled to breathe clear air and I hope the motion will receive the full support of Members.

I read the Minister's speech with great interest and noted the references to the near future. Perhaps I am being cynical, but this may refer to the period before the by-election.

I commend the motion and trust that we will have the support of my esteemed colleagues in the Government parties.

There has been a big improvement since the introduction of smokeless coal in Dublin. Congratulations are due to the Tánaiste and Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment who took on those who opposed her actions. At the time there was great opposition to her proposals. We were told ranges would be burned out; that much damage would be done; that the suggested timescale was not possible and that many people would be put out of work because of the fall off in sales of bituminous coal. However, such predictions were proved wrong and the city is much cleaner and better because of her actions.

Exhaust fumes from trucks, buses and cars are a further problem, the biggest problem being with CIE buses which are spewing out smoke and exhaust fumes at an awful rate. Many people talk about dumping toxic waste, but what is more toxic than the fumes being emitted by some of these vehicles? It is unbelievable that we do not seem to have regard for the problem. I thought we had rules and regulations preventing such emissions, but the standards that have been set do not seem to be working. I would like to see more action being taken to ensure cleaner air, including the use of catalytic converters. Much work is being done on diesel engines, which are clean if the pumps and injectors are serviced, to ensure lower emissions. Bad servicing is the cause of diesel vehicles emitting such an amount of toxic waste.

The Government has always been positive in ensuring the environment and the air are kept clean. We are known as a green and clean country because that is what we are. We have more blue flag beaches than any other country in Europe which proves our waters and environment are clean. The Government is committed to correcting the problem in Limerick. The problem should be corrected to ensure this lovely city is clean, clear, smoke free and pollution free. In its Action Programme for the Millennium the Government stated that the regulations will be extended to Limerick and that it will be a clean air city. Irrespective of the number of resolutions passed by the Seanad, the work of the Government will not be done any sooner. In a little over a year Limerick will be a smoke free city. I do not see the rush in insisting that this be done tomorrow; that would be impossible.

This Government and previous Governments, including all Fianna Fáil Governments, have been very conscious of this issue. It was a Fianna Fáil Government which established the Department of the Environment.

I thought they were partnership Governments.

Prior to that it was the Department of Local Government. Our party has always been very conscious of this issue. I know the Minister will ensure Limerick will be smoke and smog free.

In 2005 or 2010.

The smog in Dublin was cleared in a short period and I have no doubt that Limerick will be cleaned up in the same way. I am confident that the Government and the Minister will honour their undertaking in the Action Programme for the Millennium and that Limerick has no need to worry.

I would like to see tighter controls on the level of pollution from trucks and buses. Buses are the most significant polluters of the air. CIE should be warned and asked to clean up its act and to service its vehicles. It should be advised that dirty exhaust from buses is not acceptable. Truck owners who drive long distances throughout Europe have, in general, very good quality vehicles which comply with EU regulations. CIE, however is guilty of pollution. We remember the time when every building in Dublin was, to use a colloquialism, as black as your shoe. We now have a clean capital city and I have no doubt that, by the year 2000, Limerick will be just as free of pollution.

I am happy to support this resolution. The impact of altering the status of Limerick, while of great benefit to the citizens, will not have an immense global impact. It is, however, part of a necessary psychology. We must deal with these difficult problems.

I do not intend to get involved in the question of the forthcoming by-election. One of the benefits of being totally independent — for yourself in your august position as chairman of debates and permanently for me, a Chathaoirligh — is that I do not take sides. I can award a palm of honour to the Progressive Democrats in the person of Mary Harney who tackled the problem of pollution in Dublin. It was a very serious problem. Various hospitals reported large numbers of cases of asthma , leading in a number of cases to death, every winter. While not as bad as London, Dublin had very thick and unpleasant fogs largely contributed to by the domestic burning of bituminous coal. Senator Farrell has referred to the dirt of buildings in Dublin. Even in the 1950s and 1960s, when I was young, attempts were made to clean them but the minute they were cleaned they instantly started going black again. Considerable damage was inflicted on the architectural environmnent by the various techniques employed in cleaning, scaling, sand blasting and so on. We recognise the fact that this is a significant and difficult problem. While it is important that these measures be extended to cities such as Limerick we must bear in mind that this is a very modest step in terms of impact on the global environment.

The Minister mentions 16 other towns and cities. I would like to know more about these and their status. In Dublin we now burn rather boring compacted coal. It never really blazes and you have to burn wood with it. I presume it is legal to burn wood and turf which I certainly do. This gives a satisfactory blaze because the other fuel is just boring. What are the smoke pollution levels in the 16 urban areas mentioned by the Minister? Where are these 16 towns? I imagine the list includes towns such as Mallow, Kilkenny and Sligo. The figures quoted by the Minister give clear cause for concern with regard to Limerick. He says, rather modestly, "smoke levels in Limerick over recent years have been somewhat above those in Dublin and Cork". This is a rather modest statement of the case because, according to the figures quoted by the Minister, in 1995-96 the 98-percentile smoke levels in Dublin were at 55 microgrammes per cubic metre and in Limerick at 107. I would have thought that Limerick's level of twice that of Dublin was a little more than "somewhat above". Readings for other years were four times the amount. In 1994-95 Dublin was at 28 and Limerick at 101. That is quadruple the Dublin figure. Limerick's pollution levels are considerably higher than those of Dublin.

I note the question of cost, particularly in terms of employment and of income generation for the fuel industry. Will the Minister tell the House what have been the effects on Dublin? I assume that some departmental studies were done in the aftermath of the implementation of the Dublin clean air plan. If this was not done in Dublin then it should be done in the case of Limerick. If such studies were done in Dublin then I imagine that the impact on employment and on the fuel industry was examined.

There are additional effects from the burning of fossil fuels. One of them is acid rain. One of the most serious examples of the impact of acid rain on the environment is the city of Athens where buildings such as the Acropolis have been very seriously affected.

We must extend this debate beyond the narrow confines of a clean air policy for Limerick. I would like to put some thoughts on the record from the proceedings of a climate change conference in the German Bundestag in Bonn on October 16 and 17, 1997. Professor Stephen Schneider says:

the sustained globally averaged rate of natural temperature change is 1 per cent per thousand years. We want to compare that rate of change to the rate of change we are expecting over the next century: the IPCC forecasts an increase in temperatures of 1 per cent to 3.5 per cent. Sea level rises could be in the range of 15 to 90 centimetres, threatening coastal dwellers and island states around the world. Severity of storms could dramatically increase and associated insurance damage could seriously threaten the viability of the global insurance industry.

We are facing an extremely dangerous situation. I will put two paragraphs dealing with carbon fuels on the record of the House.

There are over 4,000 billion tons of carbon in reserves of fossil fuels, about 1,000 billion tons of which are economically recoverable. If we were to limit the increase of greenhouse gases to an equivalent CO2 doubling, we could burn 700 billion tons; if we were to adopt the EU's limit, we could only burn 400 billion tons. The UNEP' guidelines allow us even less. Business as usual emissions over the next century are likely to be about 1,400 or 1,500 billion tons.

Whichever measure we choose to adopt, any of those budgets is less than half of the business as usual scenario. A delay in industrialised countries taking measures doesn't actually change the budget much: if we fail to take action, we will only reduce the amount of carbon for the developing world to use later on.

I support Senator Jackman's motion. It is unfortunate that some Members have attempted to infer that this motion was tabled because Senator Jackman is the Fine Gael candidate for the Limerick East by-election. Senator Jackman is an able public representative who represents Limerick East in a diligent and dedicated fashion. In both this House and the local authority she has repeatedly——

The Senator must speak to the motion.

I will address the motion in the same manner as the Chair when he spoke on it earlier. He made it a political issue.

He is in a different incarnation now.

Acting Chairman

The Senator should not attempt to involve the Chair in the debate.

Senator Jackman ably represents Limerick East both in the Seanad and on the local authority. In that capacity, she has tabled a motion which relates to an issue of concern to the people of that constituency. The Minister of State gave a detailed outline of the problem of smoke pollution in Limerick city. I take this opportunity to congratulate the Minister of State on his well deserved appointment after many years of service in the Lower House. His experience will be of great value to the Department of the Environment and Local Government.

The debate so far has focused on national and international problems with air quality, pollution and so forth. However, the motion relates to Limerick. The Minister of State quoted figures that indicate there is a serious problem in certain areas of Limerick such as Southill, Ballykeeffe and Moyross. The same problem arose in Dublin in 1990 when the current Tánaiste, who was then a Minister of State, introduced an order to deal with it. It was unfortunate that she did not also introduce a similar order to apply to Limerick city. The then Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrat Government discriminated against Limerick and did not take the necessary action. I hope this motion will prompt the new Government to take positive action on this occasion.

The Minister of State said he will take action shortly. He should do so immediately. This problem arises in areas of the city with concentrated corporation housing. Many of them have a high rate of unemployment and suffer serious social disadvantage. Priority must be given to these areas and a specific plan to deal with the problem must be put in place. The Department's action in Dublin was extremely successful. Perhaps the Minister of State would consider applying the same measures in Limerick city. There has been a huge increase in the incidence of asthma, bronchitis and chest complaints in young children and elderly people and that is borne out by medical records. Any assistance that can be given by the Minister of State should be given immediately.

The figures for smoke pollution in Limerick are frightening. The highest reading in 1996 was 225 microgrammes per cubic metre at Ballykeeffe. The reading was 173 microgrammes per cubic metre in Moyross.

Fine Gael was in Government then.

Senator O'Toole would not be interested in this area because there would not be many votes there during his election. He can afford to make jibes on this issue.

The reading at Todds was 145 microgrammes per cubic metre. That figure is interesting because it refers to a business area, yet the reading is relatively high. The figures are disturbing and are much worse than those for Limerick and Cork. The action taken in those areas has proven quite effective. Senator Jackman seeks positive action in Limerick city and I appeal to the Minister of State to respond to her call. He is a decent man, unlike some of his colleagues who have sought to make this a political issue. He has dealt with it in a responsible fashion and I hope his partners in Government will support him. They, too, might have an interest in achieving positive action in Limerick city in forthcoming months.

I compliment Senator Jackman on thinking so highly of her electorate as to table this motion. I support it and I would like to see it extended to Kerry. I am sorry Senator Taylor-Quinn did not seek to extend it to Clare and surrounding counties.

Limerick has a mixed history with regard to the burning of coal. Senator Taylor-Quinn must be aware that coal merchants in Limerick city were less than helpful to County Clare a few years ago when they refused to allow the largest coal importer in Ireland to sell coal in Limerick city and other places. That created much unemployment in the Senator's constituency.

That is correct. It was stopped by a Fianna Fáil councillor.

Sixty years earlier the same traders got very upset when the same company, which is now selling coal in Senator Taylor-Quinn's constituency, decided to dam the Shannon at Ardnacrusha and build the most advanced hydroelectric power centre in Europe. On that occasion the traders feared they would not sell enough coal if people started using electricity. The city has had a chequered history with regard to coal.

I am glad Senator Jackman has taken a more general approach in that she simply wishes to clean the air in the city. I wish her well in that, as well as in the by-election. Undoubtedly, by tabling this important and progressive motion the Senator is positioning herself for the forthcoming by-election. She is entitled to do that and there is no need to hide the fact. This motion is as important as an election address and if good things result from it, that is all to the good.

However, there is a broader issue involved in the motion which relates not just to the quality of the air but also to the water that flows through the city. How many towns' sewerage systems along the River Shannon are dumping their contents into the river which is flowing through the beautiful city of Limerick? It is also extraordinary that underprivileged areas appear to have some of the highest pollution figures. That raises a question about our priorities.

The Senator wishes to have the measures introduced in Limerick city. However, a national approach should be adopted. Walls cannot be erected around cities and counties so a national approach is important. Discussions on problems such as this should include the entire environment. This debate has focused on air quality and the burning of coal but the issue is the type of fuels we should use. There was a healthy debate in this country 20 years ago when it was proposed to locate a nuclear power station in County Wexford. At the time people considered the issue of nuclear power. They also discussed the potential impact of the coal burning generating station at Kilkee when it was proposed.

I often drive past the cement factory in Limerick city. Although a great deal of work was done to improve the surrounding area, grass would not grow within half a mile of the factory. The same material that stops the grass growing is in the air but one cannot hold one's breath for the ten minutes it takes to drive past the factory. A great deal must be done about the quality of the air in Limerick.

Sulphur dioxide is very good for grass growth.

Grass does not grow within half a mile of the cement factory in Limerick even though the owners of the factory have made a huge effort to landscape and improve the area.

It is not only a matter of the Government introducing legislation, which is important and the reason I will support the motion but it is important to keep pressure on the Government. Why did the previous Government not take action given that the figures the Minister gave show that the highest readings took place during the period of the last Government? For those of us on the Independent benches, it is not a matter of who is in Government but rather the health of people.

We need to take a wider view and look not only at the impact of burning coal but other substances. Senator Norris mentioned the impact of acid rain. We have seen that even rain can impact on us. What part did we play internationally at the two global conferences held in the past ten years to address the issue of acid rain? We must ensure the quality of our waters, rain and air are satisfactory before we can look at the impact of these issues on the environment.

I suggest to Senator Jackman that there is nothing to stop the air in County Clare or in Counties Cork, Kerry or Tipperary spreading across and polluting Limerick. The Senator may say these are not conurbations and the same problems do not arise but it is an issue which needs to be addressed nationally. I support a national approach to the problem. I support this motion because there is nothing wrong with it and it puts pressure on the Government to act.

The Senator should support the amendment if he wants a national approach.

May I share my time with Senator Jackman?

Acting Chairman

Is that agreed? Agreed. Senator Jackman will have five minutes to reply.

I welcome this debate. Like Senator O'Toole, I believe it is important to address the issue of the environment. The Minister made a comprehensive speech in which he outlined the position nationally and not only in County Limerick. Senator Jackman's proposal is excellent and timely and I hope the Government will effect what she wishes, that is, to make Limerick an area in which bituminous coal cannot be used.

I would like to refer to facts which were not mentioned in the Minister's statement perhaps because it was not within his remit but that of the Department of Health. There is an index of deaths from various causes, particularly respiratory causes, which is done on a county basis. County Louth has the highest number of deaths in the country from respiratory illnesses. I do not know where County Limerick comes on that list but it is important the people of Limerick get those facts from the health board because it is difficult to talk in the absence of medical knowledge. Mortality statistics are available for County Louth. The amendment mentions a commitment to extend the ban to major urban areas and I ask that be it extended to County Louth, particularly the major towns of Drogheda and Dundalk.

To measure air pollution, stations must be located in different areas. The problem is that the majority of people who burn coal live in working class housing estates and do not have the money to buy gas or oil, although many are installing gas. It is important we select areas which represent the worst areas nationally, including the largest working class estates, to measure the impact of the environment on the health of the people.

The tenor of my speech related to health as I am spokesperson on health and children. As I said, I anxiously await the Mid-Western Health Board survey on asthma suffers. According to anecdotal evidence, the number of such cases is higher than in other areas and this will be backed up by the Mid-Western Health Board's survey.

Health must be put first. The Minister said the Government is conscious of these standards in health and environment terms and that excessive levels of smoke pollution in the atmosphere can create conditions which are extremely uncomfortable and unhealthy. He said independent Irish research has shown that they are associated with increased hospital admissions, increased morbidity and a peak in mortality. I argue that the costs which will ensue on a daily basis if we do not address the issue of Limerick will be far greater on the Government in terms of hospital admissions. The Minister stated this and referred to acute effects, including immediate irritations to eyes and throat, hospitalisation and even deaths from respiratory failure or heart attacks. Senator Henry also referred to these effects. Other effects include decreased pulmonary function and there are high risk groups such as the elderly, people with asthma and people with diseases of the lungs. The Minister also said research has identified a clear link between lung and respiratory related hospital admissions and peaks in poor urban air quality.

There has been pressure on the Minister for Health and Children, Deputy Cowen, to reduce hospital waiting lists. I am trying to reduce these for the elderly and children by extending this ban to Limerick. We have seen the positive effects of this ban on Dublin and Cork. Much as the Minister is proactive and anxious to facilitate me, I cannot accept the vagueness in the amendment which welcomes the commitment in the Action Programme for the Millennium to extend the ban on bituminous coal to major urban areas. According to my research, Clonmel and Wexford are also risk areas.

We want the Minister to make a ministerial order in which a specific date would be set to do the preparatory work. We want a specific commitment in relation to Limerick now. I have not received such a commitment and I cannot accept the amendment because it is not specific. On Senator Dardis's comments, we all admired the Tánaiste, who as Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, brought about a smog free Dublin. Senator Avril Doyle who was a Minister of State at the Department of the Environment with responsibility for natural resources in 1987 prepared the heads of Bills and had done the preparatory work which made it easy for the Minister to designate Dublin.

There is a high level of unemployment, particularly long-term unemployment, in Moyross. The majority of people remain indoors during the winter and do not go out to work. The long-term unemployed and elderly burn fires because they have no other income with which to provide themselves with an alternative source of heating. The Minister agreed that area is most at risk because of low quality air. On the weekly £5 national fuel scheme, we know a bag of coal costs £6.50, about which I spoke in relation to the budget.

As regards the amount of funding required, the potential costs are minimal in relation to the costs which will accrue if people, particularly in disadvantaged areas, are hospitalised as a result of recurring health problems. I ask the Minister to introduce an order designating Limerick immediately. Other major urban areas may be included in the future. Limerick is at risk at present and I cannot accept the Government amendment which is vague in terms of implementation.

Amendment put.
The Seanad divided: Tá, 24; Níl, 19.

  • Bonner, Enda.
  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • Chambers, Frank.
  • Cox, Margaret.
  • Dardis, John.
  • Farrell, Willie.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Fitzgerald, Tom.
  • Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Gibbons, Jim.
  • Glynn, Camillus.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Kett, Tony.
  • Kiely, Rory.
  • Lanigan, Mick.
  • Leonard, Ann.
  • Lydon, Don.
  • McGowan, Patrick.
  • Mooney, Paschal.
  • Moylan, Pat.
  • Ó Murchú, Labhrás.
  • Ormonde, Ann.
  • Ryan, Brendan.
  • Walsh, Jim.

Níl

  • Burke, Paddy.
  • Connor, John.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam T.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Cregan, Denis (Dino).
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Gallagher, Pat.
  • Henry, Mary.
  • Jackman, Mary.
  • Manning, Maurice.
  • McDonagh, Jarlath.
  • Norris, David.
  • O'Dowd, Fergus.
  • O'Meara, Kathleen.
  • O'Toole, Joe.
  • Ridge, Therese.
  • Taylor-Quinn, Madeleine.
Tellers: Tá, Senators T. Fitzgerald and Keogh; Níl, Senators Burke and Coogan.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.
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