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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 7 Mar 2007

Vol. 186 No. 11

Adjournment Matters.

Decentralisation Programme.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Finance, Deputy Parlon, to the House. I have raised the issue of decentralisation and Newcastle West many times since the programme was first announced. I raise the matter in a different context today because the decentralisation project in Newcastle West appears scheduled for some time in 2008. Commitments were given to many staff based in the Office of the Revenue Commissioners in Limerick and being trained for work in the office in Newcastle West. The staff are now getting understandably impatient at being housed in temporary premises in the city.

To put this in context, in March 2005 Revenue's decentralisation implementation plan gave the indicative timescale for the move to Newcastle West as September 2006. In June 2005 the first round of letters was issued formally offering positions in the decentralised Newcastle West office to those who had applied through the central applications facility. These applicants were advised that the move was scheduled to take place in the fourth quarter of 2006 and were given five working days to respond. Those who decided to accept the offer did so on the basis that they would be working in Newcastle West by the end of 2006.

In the decentralisation update of March 2006 the date for the final move to Newcastle West was pushed out to early 2007. The subsequent decentralisation update in October 2006 stated that work was scheduled to commence early in 2007, with a projected completion date of the final quarter of 2008. It transpires that in December 2006 Limerick County Council raised queries on the planning application and these have further delayed commencement of construction of the building in Newcastle West. As of today, replies to these queries appear to be outstanding.

In July 2006, the Newcastle West bound staff were relocated for training purposes to temporary accommodation in Estuary House, Henry Street, Limerick, in advance of the final move which was scheduled to take place in early 2007. Training is now complete. Owing to the delay in the project, many requests have been made to the Revenue Commissioners to have temporary accommodation provided in Newcastle West. The staff in question are located in the west Limerick area and some have moved to west Limerick in the expectation that the move would have been completed by this stage. It is understandable that Revenue employees have formed an action committee as they are extremely irate with the long delay in the process.

Some time ago, the Minister of State had a hoarding erected on the old council building in Newcastle West and arranged a photo call with Progressive Democrats Party colleagues. None of those who featured in the resulting photograph is from west Limerick. Other parties were not informed but the event clearly amounted to good public relations from the Minister of State's point of view.

If the Revenue Commissioners have informed the Minister of State that they are unable to find a temporary premises in Newcastle West, I assure him I will find a premises suitable for Revenue staff. The delay in this project is grossly unjust and unfair. We want action.

I hope I will not be given the customary bland response describing the history of decentralisation because I am only interested in Newcastle West, the town in which I live. I hope the Minister of State's response will give me some positive news to give to the individuals who met last night to discuss the delay in the project. I fully appreciate and empathise with their impatience.

I thank Senator Finucane for raising this issue and hope my response will not be bland. While waiting outside the Chamber for Senators to arrive, I touched it up a little to ensure it did not appear bland. I am pleased to inform the House of the progress being made in the decentralisation programme about which the news is positive, particularly with regard to the 50 Revenue posts to Newcastle West.

In budget 2004 the Minister for Finance announced a decentralisation programme for 10,300 public servants to more than 50 locations nationwide. The programme which, as the Government has emphasised throughout, is voluntary, has received a tremendous response. To date, more than 10,000 civil servants have applied to decentralise and new applications continue to come forward. More than 2,400 staff have been assigned to decentralising posts and some 700 of these are already in place in 15 locations. The remainder are being trained in advance of decentralisation to new locations and at the end of 2007 it is anticipated that approximately 2,000 staff will have transferred to 33 decentralisation locations. The property programme is well advanced and the schedule of accommodation allows for the planned movement of up to 6,800 staff in the next three years in line with the timeframes set out in the June 2005 report of the decentralisation implementation group, DIG.

Included in the Government decision was a requirement for Revenue to decentralise 50 staff to Newcastle West, together with two similar sized moves in the mid-west to Listowel and Kilrush. Following consultation with the management advisory committee and Revenue's partnership committee, the board of the Revenue Commissioners decided that all debt management functions in Dublin would be decentralised, with the exception of a small number of staff who would be retained on insolvency work to the greater mid-west region, including Newcastle West.

In considering a property solution the Office of Public Works examined a range of options. After detailed evaluations a number of proposals were short-listed and the Limerick County Council site at Bishop Street, Newcastle West, was chosen as being the most suitable for Revenue's requirements. I understand that having examined available options a decision was taken by my office, the Office of Public Works, to procure the new accommodation in Newcastle West on the basis of a design-build solution. My office has identified a preferred tenderer and a planning application for the new offices was lodged with Limerick County Council in October 2006. The council requested further information in December 2006 covering such matters as site boundaries, front elevation and sewers. It also requested a comprehensive historical study and other information relating to certain buildings on the site at the time of purchase.

In the interests of moving forward the project my office assisted the preferred tenderer in providing the additional information which, contrary to the Senator's statement, has been submitted to the council. A decision on the planning application is due by the end of March 2007, although this will be open for appeal to An Bord Pleanála in the normal course.

On receipt of a satisfactory planning permission, my office and the preferred tenderer will endeavour to move quickly to a position where the building work will commence at the earliest possible date. The tender documentation provides for a construction period of 14 months from the date of placing a contract. On completion of construction, the building will be handed over for occupation by staff of the Revenue Commissioners.

Pending the availability of accommodation in Newcastle West, it was decided that the operation to be relocated to the town would be established on a temporary basis in Limerick. The decision to proceed with a temporary solution in Limerick was taken on the basis that this would be the optimum approach to ensuring the Newcastle West team and replacement staff in the debt management division in Limerick could be provided with appropriate training, while minimising disruption to the ongoing business of the division. The decision also had regard to the fact that the majority of staff who had elected to transfer to Newcastle West were currently serving in Limerick and, therefore, could be brought together in that location without significant disturbance. This approach was approved by the decentralisation implementation group and my Department.

I am assured by the Revenue Commissioners that as soon as the new accommodation becomes available in Newcastle West, Revenue will be in a position to commence operations in the office with immediate effect. Forty-seven officers, equating to slightly more than 43 full-time equivalents, of the 50 officers due to decentralise to Newcastle West are working in this temporary accommodation. Intensive training is being given to staff with a view to having a well trained, fully operational team moving to the Newcastle West location. Revenue does not anticipate any difficulty in fully staffing the office.

The current temporary accommodation is leased to the Commissioners of Public Works under a short-term agreement. If a further temporary accommodation were to be considered, the OPW would first have to identify what suitable building might be available. This would involve a formal approach in accordance with public tender requirements. In the event of suitable accommodation being found, the OPW would have to take on another short-term lease, thereby duplicating costs. The fitting out of the accommodation would also require considerable time and involve significant cost duplication, particularly as regards information technology requirements. This entire process would take many months at best.

Given the indicative timeframe of early 2008 for provision of permanent accommodation and for logistical and business risk reasons, Revenue considers it completely impractical to move staff at this stage to temporary accommodation in Newcastle West. In particular, Revenue would be concerned that such an approach would carry with it unnecessary risks of a negative impact on core elements of its work programme encompassed by the proposed Newcastle West operations. This work involves maximising timely tax compliance and ensuring timely and accurate processing of pay, tax and PRSI details for more than 2.2 million employees whose details are being returned by employers.

Revenue's decentralisation plans for all its locations have been the subject of formal discussion and agreement with the decentralisation central policy unit of the Department of Finance, the Office of Public Works and the decentralisation implementation group, most recently in January 2007 when the Revenue Chairman met the DIG. Preparations have been made in accordance with these plans.

Revenue has been successful in decentralising functions which are critical not only for the organisation but also for the Exchequer. It has succeeded by carefully balancing business risk with decentralisation progress. In this context, the Revenue Commissioners and my office remain firmly focused on having the permanent accommodation completed and the staff moved to Newcastle West in the earliest possible timeframe.

I am disappointed with the Minister of State's response, which confirms my expectations in this matter. Notwithstanding the professional advice offered by the Revenue, I do not agree that staff could not be relocated temporarily before transferring to the permanent location in Newcastle West. I am confident premises would be found in the town. The Revenue Commissioners have pursued a cluster concept throughout the mid-west region and further afield by establishing a number of offices operating as separate entities. The action committee, which is pushing for this move, will be bitterly disappointed by the Minister of State's response. I am aware the OPW has applied for planning permission and is awaiting the county council's response. I understand there is some concern that the building may contain asbestos and that this may lead to further delays. In the interim, the staff would be extremely pleased if accommodation could be found in Newcastle West. They will be bitterly disappointed at this confirmation of further significant delay.

I recently met with representatives of the staff and community in Newcastle West and with the Collector General to discuss this issue. Their view of the situation is reasonable. I find it strange that Senator Finucane is so concerned and upset. It is the planning process that is causing the delay. The OPW bought the site in question from Limerick County Council following consultation in regard to its suitability.

I am confident, having supplied the necessary further information, that the project is ready to go. There is an indicative timeframe of 14 months for completion and I do not expect it will take that long. I understand the Senator is suggesting we should seek new accommodation, move people into that temporary accommodation for 14 months and fit it out at substantial cost. I do not agree with that and nor do the Revenue Commissioners and the OPW. Provided there are no further difficulties with planning, which I do not foresee, I am confident everything will be up and running within 12 months.

I live in Newcastle West and am part of the community. I was not involved in the discussions on this move but I assure the Minister of State that the staff who attended last night's emergency meeting are certainly not in agreement with what he said. They are absolutely disgusted and disappointed with the Revenue on this issue.

I have given the Senator ample time to make his point.

I will convey what the Minister of State said to those involved.

Higher Education Grants.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Haughey. He has become a regular visitor to the House in his few months in the Department of Education and Science. Like the issue I raised on the Adjournment yesterday, the matter I raise today relates to a small proportion of the population.

I am aware of a student from my own area in County Kilkenny who is in her first year of studies in Trinity College, Dublin, and whose sister will complete her second level education this year. Their father is above pension age and entitled to the State pension. However, because his State pension coupled with his wife's modest income pushes their earnings over the eligibility threshold for a third level grant, he was obliged to return to the workforce to ensure his daughter can avail of a third level education. It is inspiring that this man is prepared to go back to work to ensure his daughter can take advantage of an opportunity that was not available to him. It is also sad, however, that he is forced into this position. His second daughter is interested in attending college in Dublin in September if she gets the necessary points.

A change in this regard is worthwhile given the small numbers affected and the negligible impact on Exchequer funding for the Department of Education and Science. Children with one or more parents in receipt of the State pension should be automatically entitled to a third level grant. My father was above pension age when I went to college and I did not qualify for the third level grant. My younger sister is in the same boat. I do not raise this issue purely out of a selfish personal interest. The small numbers involved and the minimal impact in terms of funding mean there is a strong case for ensuring parents above pension age are not forced back into the workforce because they want to give their children the best possible education. The State should step in at that point and provide support. The grant system itself must be reformed and is not sufficient to cover the costs of attending college. However, the children of those eligible for the State pension should receive assistance as a matter of course.

I thank the Senator for raising the issue of third level grants on the Adjournment this evening. The Department of Education and Science funds four maintenance grant schemes for third level and further education students, which are administered by local authorities and vocational education committees on its behalf. The higher education grant scheme operates under the Local Authorities (Higher Education Grants) Acts 1968 to 1992.

Generally speaking, students who enter approved courses for the first time are eligible for maintenance grants where they satisfy the relevant conditions as to age, residence, means, nationality and previous academic attainment. An approved course for the purpose of the grant scheme is a full-time undergraduate course of not less than two years duration or a full-time postgraduate course of not less than one year's duration, pursued in an approved institution. Under the Department's free fees initiative, the Exchequer meets the tuition fees of eligible first-time undergraduate students attending approved full-time courses.

In addition to the ordinary maintenance grant, students may be also eligible for the special rate of maintenance grant, sometimes known as the "top-up grant". Eligibility for this grant is determined by reference to an income threshold and receipt of a long-term social welfare payment, which includes the State contributory pension. To qualify for the special rate of maintenance grant, applicants must first qualify for the ordinary maintenance grant for the relevant academic year. Total reckonable income in the relevant tax year must not exceed a specified lower income threshold, which is net of standard exclusions, as set out in the maintenance grant schemes, and, where applicable, net of the social welfare child dependants increase payments. In addition, as at 31 December of the relevant tax year, the source of income must include one of the specified social welfare payments.

The special rate of maintenance grant is in place to assist the most needy students. It is increased annually in line with increases in the rate of unemployment assistance. For the current academic year 2006-07, a candidate who is eligible for the special rate of maintenance grant receives the ordinary full rate of maintenance grant of €3,110 plus the special rate of €2,860, giving a total grant of €5,970.

Apart from the maintenance grants schemes and the free fees initiative, financial support is also available to third level students through the student assistance fund. The objective of the fund is to assist students who, due to their financial circumstances, might be unable to continue their third level studies. Information on this fund is available from the access officer in the approved colleges. In addition, the millennium partnership fund for disadvantage supports students from disadvantaged areas attending further or higher education courses. Partnership companies and community groups manage the fund locally. Information on partnership and community groups can be obtained from Pobal.

The means test arrangements of the student support schemes have been in operation since 1983 and are applied nationally. In the case of both the employed and self-employed, gross income is assessed with certain deductions for specified social welfare and Health Service Executive payments. Any proposal to introduce a different method of means assessment or to abandon the means testing requirement for students dependent on those in receipt of State contributory pensions would have significant financial implications in addition to equity issues that would have to be addressed. There are no immediate plans to change the method of means assessment or to remove the means assessment for certain individuals such as those suggested by the Senator. I thank the Senator for raising this matter.

I would not argue with the Minister of State's response except for the last point about appreciating that the proposal to move to introduce a different method of means assessment or to abandon the means testing requirement for students dependent on those in receipt of State contributory pensions would have significant financial implications. I do not know the figure in terms of the numbers of third level students who are dependent on those in receipt of State pensions but I cannot accept that the sum would be significant in terms of the overall cost. I would think it is a very small proportion of the overall spend on third level fees for people going to college. I would say a small proportion of those students are dependent on people in receipt of the State contributory pension. I understand what the Minister of State said but in terms of what I would regard as a very small group of people, the Government could examine some initiative for the future. Perhaps the next Government will get the opportunity to examine it sooner rather than later.

Schools Building Projects.

I thank the Cathaoirleach for selecting this item and I thank the Minister of State for taking it in the House.

In a debate earlier I mentioned the slow pace of progress in dealing with applications from national schools throughout the country and the response from the Department of Education and Science, particularly the planning section. I instanced the case of Killimor national school, Ballinasloe, County Galway. That case is a classic example of where indecision has led to frustration on the part of the board of management, the staff and the parents of the students attending Killimor national school. This project is eight years in progress but no progress as yet is indicated from the Department.

The first indication was that the Department would provide extra facilities to extend the existing school. That was abandoned approximately three years later. The Department then indicated it would examine the sites that were available. It selected a site and had full investigation of the site planned but after an extensive period of approximately two and a half years it decided the site was unsuitable. It has recently decided to go back to the original site for the construction of a new school. I do not believe any board of management or other staff group would have had the patience to listen to the reasoning behind the Department's dithering in this instance.

While all of that was going on, completely oblivious to those in the planning section of the Department of Education and Science, there were serious consequences from the inadequacies of the facilities for the provision of proper education to the children who needed it in Killimor national school. A special disadvantaged class for approximately 17 children was established. The school had to make provision also for the special needs children in the school. During all that time every space in the existing school, which was totally inadequate for the initial enrolment, was provided to those children at great cost and inconvenience. To its credit, the school has given first class primary level education to the students involved.

I ask the Minister for a definitive statement with regard to a timescale to ensure that everybody can work to a programme which will eliminate the terrible situation in Killimor. With the best wishes in the world we know the students and staff will have to endure the current conditions for several years before they move into the new school premises proposed for the area. I ask the Minister to expedite the application and that firm dates of commencement and completion would be given. There is an expanding population and an increasing school enrolment year after year — the records show that — in this national school and it deserves an urgent response from the Minister and the Department.

I thank Senator Burke for giving me the opportunity of outlining to the House the position of the Department of Education and Science regarding Killimor national school, Ballinasloe, County Galway. In 2005, the Department of Education and Science announced details of 89 primary schools and 33 post-primary schools that were allowed to progress to tender and construction. Killimor national school was among the primary schools listed in that announcement.

Initially, the school management undertook to identify a suitable site for the school and to carry out negotiations for its acquisition subject to its subsequent purchase by the Department. On that basis the school applied for planning permission for a new six classroom school and it was the intention of the Department to proceed to tender and construction as soon as site conveyancing was complete. Subsequently, however, the acquisition of the site ran into difficulty.

The acquisition of the site for the school will now be concluded by the Office of Public Works, which generally acts on behalf of the Department on site acquisitions for schools. The site comprises of one larger plot, the acquisition of which is currently at contract-conveyancing stage, and a smaller plot which is required for access and in the ownership of the local authority. The local authority has confirmed to the school management its willingness, subject to criteria, to transfer the requisite portion of lands to facilitate the school building and the OPW will shortly be contacting the local authority with a view to finalising arrangements.

In February 2005, representatives of the school attended a meeting in Tullamore organised by the building unit in the Department which outlined the steps a school should take to advance a building project through tender and construction phases. In November 2004, the school obtained planning permission for a new six classroom school and it is the Department's intention that this is the school that will be built once site conveyancing is completed.

In February 2007, a letter issued from the building unit to the board of management requesting a revised cost plan for the project plus an updated mechanical and electrical submission. Once this revised documentation is received and approved by the Department and the site acquisition finalised, the school will be given devolved authority to prepare tender documentation and to invite tenders prior to the commencement of construction.

I assure the Senator that the Department is fully committed to providing suitable high quality accommodation for Killimor national school at the earliest possible date. I again thank the Senator for raising this matter.

I thank the Minister of State.

The Seanad adjourned at 7.50 p.m. until2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 20 March 2007.
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