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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 26 Jun 2008

Vol. 190 No. 7

Leinster Lawn.

This matter relates to a matter with which I am sure the Minister of State, Deputy Mansergh, will be familiar, namely the need to restore Leinster Lawn to its former glory by restoring it to grass and removing the car park.

The Minister will be aware that it was dug up in 2000 and made into a car park. It was probably before his time here but if I am wrong, he can correct me. It was declared at the time to be a temporary measure, and it was the Taoiseach who came into the Dáil and said so. One of the conditions of the planning permission at the time was that it would be restored to grass. It appears we in Leinster House, the OPW or the Government, are in breach of the planning permission because no effort has been made to restore it.

While I do not want to make political points, I suppose this tells us a certain amount about our priorities, namely, that Members and staff of Leinster House should be given precedence over the requirements of the environment and the obvious wishes of the people of Dublin and elsewhere. I have had — as I am sure have other Members — several representations on this issue from people who look in and ask what on earth are we doing with a car park where there was a beautiful lawn. I have always said it will be restored. I have been saying that now for eight years and nothing has happened.

There were plans at the time to build an underground car park. The answer for many years was that the car park was on the way and that car parking on the lawn was temporary. The Minister of State might be able to reassure me that that plan is shelved, is about to be shelved, or is still somewhere in the Estimates of the Department of Finance. My guess is it will never happen.

There are many ways to approach this. One could just do it and tell those who use the car park spaces that they must park elsewhere. One could give quotas to Members. I would be interested to see a list of those entitled to use the car parks in Leinster House. One must be realistic about this. There are ways to restrict it, and not just by starting with staff or Members. Spouses of Members and ex-Members use it regularly. On a sitting day it is chock-a-block.

We must decide on our priorities. Nearly eight years down the line from this temporary arrangement we need a serious commitment from the Minister of State that Leinster Lawn will be restored quickly, and that it is not dependent on some mythical two-storey car park underground that will never be built. This commitment was given to none other than Deputy John Gormley — who is now a Minister and would be interested in this project — in 2005 when he was told the underground car park was about to be built. Nothing has happened three years down the line. Perhaps the Minister of State could give us some comfort. It is imperative, if we make commitments of this sort to the electorate, that we set some sort of an example.

It is also not beyond the realm of possibility that we, ourselves, make some sacrifice. I have a parking space in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food because I have offices there, but I would be prepared to give that up in circumstances where it would have to be shared. Given these times, we must make sacrifices, not just in terms of salaries, perks, etc., but also in terms of the privileges we enjoy as Members of this House, if it is in the public interest. That is not meant to sound pious in any way. It is practical.

I ask the Minister of State to commit to a date and to the price that must be paid to restore to green lawn that beautiful space outside the House.

I thank Senator Ross for raising an important issue, with which, on a personal basis, I had some dealings as a member of the Commission of the Houses of the Oireachtas up to May 2007. Walking to and from the Department of the Taoiseach, I would have seen the transformation-excavations which took place in 1999.

Part of Leinster Lawn was temporarily converted into a car park in 1999 to facilitate construction of the Leinster House 2000 office development. This building was required to provide adequate office accommodation of a good modern standard for Members and staff of the Oireachtas, and it did so. It was necessary to provide compound areas for the building contractors close to the location of the works and this resulted in the displacement of permanent car parking places in that vicinity. The temporary solution to the displacement of these places was temporarily to resurface part of the lawn for car parking.

It had been intended to restore the lawn after the Leinster House 2000 works were completed. However, at that time, there was a plan to initiate the construction of an underground car park to accommodate the total parking requirements of the Oireachtas. This underground car park was to be located under Leinster Lawn. Given that planning for the underground car park was proceeding, it was considered that spending money on the restoration of the lawn, only to dig it up again within a short period of time to facilitate construction of the underground car park, would have been a waste of taxpayers' money. Had the underground car park proceeded, Leinster Lawn would have been fully restored and all surface car parking removed underground. In the event, the underground car park did not advance at that time. There were several unresolved issues and it can be regarded as off the agenda.

It was decided in 2002 to proceed with the total refurbishment of the Kildare House office block on Kildare Street, which now accommodates many of the staff and facilities, including a crèche, supporting the Houses of the Oireachtas. It was necessary to take over the car park area in Kildare House for the building contractors compound areas, thereby displacing the car parking facilities for the building. As a result, it was decided to further postpone restoration of Leinster Lawn to accommodate the displaced car parking facilities on the temporary car park area until the Kildare House project was completed.

In 2004, at the direction of the Oireachtas, the car park at Kildare House was converted into printing facilities servicing the needs of the political parties and Members of the Oireachtas. This resulted in the permanent displacement of the car parking facilities in Kildare House and those displaced continued to park on the temporary car park on Leinster Lawn. The various phases of work at Kildare House, including the printing facilities, were completed in 2006.

The ultimate solution to the car parking requirements of the Oireachtas, which are determined by the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission, is an underground car park and this remains the objective but clearly not in the short term or, I suspect, in the medium term. However, planning for this has been further interrupted by the discovery that major works are necessary in the historic Leinster House building to address serious structural defects that have come to light following detailed engineering surveys.

Total replacement of all electrical and mechanical installations is also necessary. Unfortunately, undertaking these works will necessitate the relocation of all staff and facilities from the building for the duration of the works and this will require the siting of builders compounds, temporary accommodation, etc., on the Leinster Lawn area. The effect of all this is to postpone yet again the restoration of Leinster Lawn. It is not possible yet to say definitively when these major works will be undertaken as this will be a decision for the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission.

The information accompanying the planning documentation, which was on public display, specifically stated that the lawn would be reinstated on completion of the new building works. That did not happen for the reasons outlined. Implicit in the permission, which was granted by the Commissioners of Public Works under Part XIII of the Local Government, Planning and Development Regulations 1994, is that the lawn will be restored. The Office of Public Works is committed to the eventual restoration of the lawn to its original state. Like Senator Ross, I am anxious to see that happen but given the situations and constraints which have arisen and the considerations I have outlined, it is difficult to see that happen in the immediate future.

Apart from the restoration of the lawn and the knock-on implications, he raised wider issues which merit consideration.

I thank the Minister of State for his reply. Perhaps he will consider those wider considerations because they are important. The car park is too full at all times. The Minister of State's reply was factually accurate and he gave us a long list of reasons Leinster Lawn has not been re-sown with grass. I do not accept the latest reason. I do not believe it is necessary to take up Leinster Lawn to restore part of this House. If this House fronted on to a road and Leinster Lawn was not there, we would find another way to do it.

The Minister of State knows as well as I do that this will go on forever. This is an old building and one will always find an excuse for restoration. Problems will arise ad infinitum. I would like an assurance from the Minister of State that the lawn will be restored within the next five years.

It is not possible for me to give an assurance of the type sought by the Senator.

What about ten years?

The long-term objective——

Fifteen years.

——has been——

——Twenty years.

Twenty five years.

It is disappointing but I thank the Minister of State.

This is not a mart.

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