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SEANAD PUBLIC CONSULTATION COMMITTEE díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 19 Jun 2012

Lifestyle Changes and Cancer Prevention: Discussion

The purpose of this meeting is to have discussions with the organisations which made written submissions on cancer prevention, how changes in lifestyle can prevent approximately one third of cancers, and how the Government and society responds to this challenge. The clerk to the committee has supplied all organisations which made submissions with a list of key points which the committee wishes to discuss.

The format for today's meeting will be as per the programme supplied to everybody by the clerk. The first three groups will each have ten minutes to make a presentation, following which there will be a 30 minute question and answer session. Some groups are sharing their ten minutes, so I will remind the first speaker when one minute of speaking time remains.

By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give this committee. If, however, they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence related to the subject matter of these proceedings should be given and are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise nor make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I welcome everyone here this morning. The first group today is the National Cancer Control Programme, represented by Dr. Triona McCarthy, consultant in public health medicine, and she is accompanied by Ms Pauline O'Reilly, project manager of cancer prevention, who will not be presenting. The specialist topics are as follows: the legislation required to ban cigarette vending machines and increase taxes on alcohol, tobacco and unhealthy food; a ban on snack vending machines in schools; and the development of an intersectoral national physical activity plan. I welcome Dr. McCarthy and ask her to commence her presentation.

Dr. Triona McCarthy

I am a consultant in public health medicine and work with the National Cancer Control Programme. I am making the presentation today on behalf of Dr. Susan O'Reilly, director of the programme.

I thank the committee for choosing to focus on such an important topic. By 2030 we predict that the number of cancers diagnosed per year in Ireland will have doubled compared with today, which will primarily be due to our aging population. There is an opportunity to prevent over half of all cancers if we implement effective cancer prevention policies and programmes. The areas that I have been asked to focus on today relate to a number of strategies mentioned in our submission, including how we can potentially reduce cancers due to smoking, alcohol and a lack of physical activity.

I shall start by discussing some of the areas that relate to nutrition and physical activity. Excess body weight and physical inactivity are associated with up to 30% of all cancers, including cancers of the bowel, breast, womb, pancreas, gall bladder and kidney. It is important to emphasise the positive because good nutritious food, maintaining a healthy weight and being physically active will reduce the risk of cancer. The school environment is ideal for promoting a positive attitude to nutritious food and physical activity in children. The ways in which schools can promote health include having a commitment to physical activity during school time, holding dedicated physical education classes and ensuring opportunities for activity during free time, training and support for teachers on nutrition, physical activity guidelines and life skills, and a healthy food policy for lunch boxes and snacks. An important component of such a policy would be to ban the sale of sugary drinks and energy-dense foods in vending machines in schools. Rather than being a stand-alone measure, a ban of such vending machines should be implemented as part of a health promotion approach in schools.

A number of European countries, such as France, Denmark and Hungary, have introduced taxes on sugary drinks or energy-dense foods in order to discourage their consumption. The evidence for the strategy is less clear-cut than the evidence for increasing tax on alcohol or cigarettes. There is a concern that it could cost the socially disadvantaged more than the well-off. Consideration should be given to combining the taxation of energy-dense foods with the subsidisation of healthy alternatives, because it is a more complex area. On balance, such policies would be most effective if introduced alongside measures to improve the supply of and access to healthier alternatives, the regulation of marketing and empowering individuals to make healthier food choices.

It is also important to recognise that a wide range of sectors have a role to play in promoting physical activity in Ireland. A national physical activity plan could bring together the policy makers and other stakeholders who are in a position to implement the recommendations of the national task force on obesity. Examples of their recommendations are the development of coherent planning policies for urban and rural housing, transport, amenity and workplace settings in order to encourage physical activity, the designation of a percentage of road budgets to the construction of safe walkways and cycleways, increasing the provision of safe and efficient public transport, and encouraging workplaces to identify opportunities for staff to partake in physical activities, such as providing changing facilities and incentives to cycle to work and for private sports and leisure facilities to make their facilities more widely accessible.

Tobacco smoking causes one third of all cancers and, most significantly, accounts for 85% of lung cancers. Lung cancer is the second most common cancer diagnosed in Ireland in both men and women and numbers continue to increase by 5% per year in women and by 1% per year in men. The chance of survival at five years after a diagnosis of lung cancer remains low at 15%. More than 1,600 Irish people die of lung cancer every year. Lung cancer kills even more women in Ireland each year than breast cancer. We continue to work on improving services for patients with lung cancer but the key to controlling the disease is to reduce smoking rates. The prevalence of smoking in Ireland has not changed substantially in the past five years, with about 27% of the population smoking. Most people who smoke started before they were 18 years of age and if one reaches adulthood as a non-smoker, it is unlikely one will start at all. Therefore, all opportunities to decrease teenagers' access to cigarettes should be taken.

The World Health Organization has shown that price and taxation are the most effective measures for reducing tobacco consumption and encouraging smokers to quit. An increase of 10% in cigarette prices will lead to a 4% reduction in smoking. Increasing tobacco taxes supports the young and the poor in not smoking as they are most affected by the price of cigarettes. Price increases prevent young people from taking up smoking and are an incentive for people to quit. When tobacco prices increase fewer people consume tobacco, smokers smoke less and people who have quit are less likely to relapse. The National Cancer Control Programme strongly recommends tax increases on tobacco as a positive health intervention.

Substantial measures have already been put in place to reduce the visibility of tobacco products on sale in Ireland and to control the location of self-service vending machines. However, vending machines are still a potential way for children to purchase cigarettes and it can be argued that their very presence constitutes advertising and promotion. Therefore, the banning of cigarette vending machines would play an important part in preventing children from becoming the next generation of lung cancer victims. We strongly support the banning of cigarette vending machines in all locations in Ireland.

Alcohol causes cancers of the mouth, throat, oesophagus, breast, liver and large bowel. We estimate that around 1,200 cases of cancer diagnosed here each year are caused by alcohol and 25% of all alcohol-related deaths are due to alcohol-associated cancers. Alcohol also greatly compounds the cancer-causing effects of tobacco, and together they account for almost three quarters of head and neck cancers. Heavy drinkers are at a particularly high risk of oesophageal cancer and the increased risk can persist for 20 years after one has stopped drinking. There is an increased risk of cancer with any level of alcohol consumption but the bulk of the risk is from drinking above the recommended limits. It is the grams of alcohol consumed over a lifetime rather than the type of alcoholic drink that matters. Strategies to delay the onset of drinking in teenagers and to support people in limiting their consumption to below the maximum of 17 units per week for men and 11 units per week for women would dramatically reduce the burden of cancer due to alcohol.

Policies to increase the cost of alcohol have been shown to delay the onset of drinking in young people and to reduce the likelihood of their drinking heavily. In this regard the NCCP strongly supports the national substance misuse strategy proposals. They include increasing excise rates for products with higher alcohol contents and introducing a minimum pricing regime per gram of alcohol. We support all efforts to reduce the availability of alcohol, including tax increases. The NCCP also suggests that tax revenue from cigarettes and alcohol should be allocated specifically for prevention programmes.

I thank Dr. McCarthy for completing her presentation within the allocated time. The next group is the Irish Cancer Society, represented by Ms Kathleen O'Meara, who is head of advocacy with the society. She is no stranger to the Chamber, as she is a former colleague and adversary of mine; we were justice spokespersons on opposite sides of the House. She will share time with Ms Mairéad Lyons. Do the witnesses wish to take five minutes each?

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

Yes.

I will remind contributors when their time is almost up. I welcome Ms O'Meara back to the Chamber. Ar aghaidh leat.

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

I never got to sit on this side of the Chamber when I was a Senator so it is nice to be here today.

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

We welcome the opportunity to speak to the Members today and I thank the committee for the initiative it has taken on this important issue. It has asked us to deal with issues including the introduction of a fat tax as a priority, mass media campaigns linking obesity with chronic illness, the bolstering of smoking cessation services, reimbursements for treatments that help people quit smoking, education of the public through mass media campaigns and legislation to provide that calorie counts and fat contents be shown on menus. There are two issues here, obesity and smoking. My colleague Ms Mairéad Lyons, who is head of services in the Irish Cancer Society, will deal with matters to do with obesity.

Ms Mairéad Lyons

Obesity is a very serious public health risk in Ireland and is associated, as my colleague from the National Cancer Control Programme said, with at least nine cancers - esophageal, pancreatic, colorectal, breast, endometrium, which is the lining of the uterus, kidney, thyroid and gallbladder. Recently, it has been reported in the US that up to 40% of esophageal cancers are caused by obesity. One study has estimated that in general among women about 7% and among men 4% of overall cancers were due to obesity. The Growing up in Ireland survey has found that 26% of nine year olds were overweight or obese. Most of this group come from high risk populations and, therefore, they need a very targeted response.

In 2005, a Government report estimated that obesity costs the State up to €4 billion per year. Therefore, dealing with the obese nation is a highly desirable requirement, given that 61% of the people are overweight and the number is rising. Recent research by safefood found that only 40% of people acknowledge that they are overweight. While there is a general awareness of the dangers of obesity in Ireland, many of those at risk felt the dangers pertained to others and not to themselves. When we looked at the issue, we recommended considering a food tax. There are many issues around delivering a food tax. Food is a necessity and, therefore, it differs from alcohol and tobacco and needs to be carefully considered. Studies from the US, France and the UK have found that low income populations spend a greater proportion of their incomes on food than those on higher incomes and, therefore, the taxation model must be equitable. Sweden looked at combining a tax and a subsidy and considered this to be a progressive approach to the taxing of foods. The US looked at a vending machine to reduce the price of low fat snacks and this reduced the uptake of the higher fat snacks. However, when the price was reduced further, there was an increase in the number of snacks consumed and the number of times during the day. There is a fine line to be considered with the introduction of tax. However, it has been done in other countries. Within Ireland we need to consider a model, design it and test it, using the data, to see what would work best within this population. This is a necessary step to tackle the obesity issue. In addition, there is a need to restrict the marketing of food and to limit exposure to advertising, particularly for children and those under 18 years of age. Also, we want to maintain a commitment to research on obesity and full implementation of the earlier strategy on obesity.

We see physical activity as a necessary parallel and component that works hand in hand with tackling any obesity issue. Epidemiological studies show that up to 40% of cancers, in particular, colon cancer, and up to 30% of breast cancers, can be prevented by being physically active. The recommendation is to be physically active for at least 30 minutes per day for all adults and 60 minutes for children. The Irish Cancer Society has invested in physical activity and has delivered the programme to children and recently to survivors of cancer, whose risk of the cancer coming back is greatly reduced by between 30% and 50% once they engage in physical activity.

On the matter of media awareness and running public awareness campaigns, there is a need to educate the public about the risks of being overweight, the risk to health, and an encouragement of the general population to participate in sport and become physically active. Being physically active does not necessarily mean one has to engage in a sport. We echo the comments by the previous speaker on the need for a development within the schools to encourage those who are not interested in sport to become physically active in other ways. The approaches to obesity and physical activity require cross-departmental thinking and a cross-departmental combined policy. In our submission we have called for a sub-committee at Cabinet level to be tasked with developing policies that cross the Departments.

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

On the issues of smoking cessation therapy, such as nicotine replacement therapy and use of mass media, our colleague, Dr. Triona McCarthy, from the cancer control programme, mentioned the issues of tax and price. The other issues of cessation therapy and the use of mass media are all part of what must be a multi-pronged strategy and approach to combatting tobacco use. I am happy to speak on these issues. However, I emphasise they cannot be taken alone, just as tax and price issues cannot be taken on their own, as the silver bullets. A multifaceted strategic approach by the Government, particularly in regard to cessation, is required. The cessation services are weak compared to what is needed. Such services need to be funded at a higher level and available at community level in order to be effective and have the level of support a particular group of smokers need. Dr. McCarthy mentioned that, for the first time, the rate of lung cancer among women has exceeded the rate of breast cancer which is directly related to smoking rates. The highest rates of smoking are among women in the lower socio-economic groups and disadvantaged communities between the ages of 18 and 34. This is a serious public policy and public health issue which needs to be tackled. We are taking some initiatives around it, which I will not deal with now, but Members will be invited to a seminar in July to highlight the issue. There is no doubt that cessation services at community level must be put in place if this serious issue is to be tackled.

Nicotine replacement therapies work. There is much evidence to show that they increase the rate of quitting by between 50% and 70%. The availability of nicotine replacement therapies is important but the World Health Organization points out that the highest quit rates are achieved when cessation support is combined with medication. While medication on its own is extremely useful, a high quitting rate is achieved when it is combined with the assistance of a smoking cessation officer in a supportive environment in a community setting. While it is important that young people are discouraged from starting to smoke, an effective methodology is to support smokers to quit, even those who have been smoking for a considerable period. Those people cannot be ignored and neglected. Generally, they consider that giving up smoking is very hard. That is related to lifestyle, their circumstances and the fact that they are disadvantaged. It cannot be taken in isolation.

We encourage the members of the committee to call for far more investment in smoking cessation services which should be available in the community. We estimate that there are approximately 60 people providing support services across the country, but they are available only in hospitals. If, for example, one lives in west Clare and has to travel the long distance to Ennis General Hospital to meet a smoking cessation officer, that would be very difficult, particularly if the cost of travel is a disincentive.

The cost of nicotine replacement therapy is good value for money. In 2009, the latest year for which we have figures, the cost of nicotine replacement therapy was 0.42% of the overall cost of prescription drugs. Less than 0.5% of what the Government spends on prescription drugs goes on nicotine replacement therapy. Since 2001 nicotine replacement therapies and general therapies are free for those who have a medical card. They are not made available free of charge for those who do not hold medical cards. Those who must pay for nicotine replacement therapies in the Republic face a significant price difference compared to the United Kingdom; effectively, it costs €45, which is almost twice the price of £25 in the United Kingdom. The Government, in its dealings with the drug and pharmaceutical companies, could do something to bring down the cost of drugs.

The time is almost up; will Ms O'Meara bring her remarks to a close?

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

Mass media campaigns work and are very important in the overall battle against smoking. They remind smokers of how dangerous it is to smoke. In particular, the campaigns work on young people. While a campaign may not be targeted at young people, there is international evidence to show that young people absorb the same message and come to understand from a young age that smoking is dangerous. They help smokers realise they are not alone - that the public cares about them and their health and wants them to give up. Media campaigns should not happen in isolation but must operate as part of a multi-targeted and multifaceted overall tobacco control strategy.

Our next delegation is from the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute. I welcome Ms Richelle Flanagan, president of the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute, and Ms Emma Ball, community dietetic manager, HSE north-west. I understand Ms Ball will make the presentation; she has ten minutes to do so.

Ms Emma Ball

I thank the Seanad Public Consultation Committee for inviting our professional organisation, INDI, to make a presentation today. My name is Emma Ball and I am the manager of community dietetic services in the HSE north-west area, which covers counties Donegal, Sligo and Leitrim. We were asked to discuss whether the provision of specialist paediatric weight management programmes to address overweight and obesity should start early on in the child's life and whether programmes need to be extended into areas of social disadvantage. While I am a community dietetic manager, the INDI is the professional organisation for dietitians and clinical nutritionists in Ireland.

I will now outline our role in the prevention and management of obesity. We undertake the education of other health professionals in the identification and management of overweight and obesity and when patients should be referred for one-to-one services or dietetic consultations. We also have a role in the direction, implementation and evaluation of group-based programmes aimed at prevention and management of excess weight or obesity at the earliest opportunity. We are also involved with nutritional assessment and management of individual patients referredby GPs or primary care teams. We have some involvement in the acute care setting for patients who may have a co-morbidity or a condition that cannot be managed in the primary care setting. I know statistics have been given already, but I wish to highlight the growing problem of excess weight. There are 300,000 overweight and obese children on the island of Ireland, and this number is probably rising at a rate of over 10,000 per year. This means thatone in ten Irish children is considered to be obese. The most recent study, Growing Up in Ireland, shows that19% of all three year olds are overweight, with 6% already considered to be obese. These figures are quite stark. The findings from the study show that children from lower class, education and income backgrounds were less likely to be breast-fed, more likely to be weaned earlier and significantly more likely to experience rapid weight gain in early infancy, even after adjusting for birth weight. The study also showed that children who were breast-fed for eight to 25 weeks had a 38% reduction in the risk of obesity at nine years and those who were breast-fed for 26 weeks or more had a 51% reduction in the risk of obesity at nine years. This proves that intervention from a very early age is vital.

While most fat adults were not fat children, children who are overweight or obese are at substantially increased risk of obesity and consequently of suffering from diseases in which obesity is a significant risk factor, including the cancers that were mentioned by previous speakers. Obesity in childhood is also strongly associated with overweight or obese parents, underpinning the need for community - and family - orientated education and intervention programmes aimed at prevention and early intervention.

Now let me tell members what has been shown to work. A very recent Cochrane review which evaluated 55 intervention programmes aimed at obesity prevention found strong evidence to support the beneficial effects of child obesity prevention programmes based on BMI, particularly programmes targeted at children aged six to 12 years. They also found promising findings in zero to five year olds, particularly for interventions conducted in home or community settings.

On the basis of the available data, we have considered key principles for tackling obesity through early life. The programmes show that prevention is key, and the earlier the better, since treatment strategies for adult obesity have high failure rates when evaluated after five years. When prevention is not possible, early intervention is important since evidence shows that preferences, habits and predisposition to obesity are influenced not just by genes but by early diet, lifestyle and parental feeding styles. The targeting of community mother-child and family programmes at key life stages within the lower socioeconomic demographic areas, or at the most receptive times, offers opportunities for education and lifestyle modification - for example, prenatally, in infancy and toddlerhood, and in families with overweight and obese children from preschool upwards. School and family-based programmes are then offered from primary to secondary level.

Programmes should ideally be multi-component. It has been shown that when programmes incorporate nutrition, activity and self-esteem and well-being, they are effective. Programmes should reflect evidence and best practice; there are guidelines such as the NICE clinical guidelines and the SIGN clinical practice guidelines. There should be family centres that support family needs and meet family goals. They should involve a delivery partnership among community, voluntary and statutory organisations. This is not just a role for the HSE and the health services. We need to involve community and voluntary organisations that are on the ground and have a presence in the community, especially communities in more disadvantaged areas. We need to use effective local engagement models and resources and be consistent in delivery. Service frameworks need to be in place and referral pathways must be well structured. The programmes must be delivered by qualified professionals in the three components I have mentioned. The performance of those engaged in programmes needs to be managed and evaluated to ensure that cost and clinical effectiveness is seen with respect to the outcomes, targets and aims. This is a quick snapshot of the current position and an overview of programmes that are already available.

As dietitians we have a strong role in the education of health professionals. The evidence shows that we need to be there at an early stage and be involved in the provision of training to public health nurses to enable them to support breastfeeding and act as an information resource for parents. We have developed a nutrition reference pack for infants from zero to 12 months for health care professionals in the community services. We are involved in various training programmes for health professionals throughout the country. We have a role in one-to-one clinics, which is a limited service nationally as we do not have enough dietitians either in the acute sector - to deal with children with co-morbidities, who in some cases have been on a waiting list for at least a year - or in paediatric primary care. Again, the service varies considerably throughout the country. In the north west we have a good service for paediatrics; however, in parts of Dublin - for example, in north Dublin, which has some of the most deprived areas in the country - there is no paediatric community service.

I have a handout which outlines some of the programmes in which we are involved. The multi-component prevention and management programmes are limited throughout the country. There are pockets where there are programmes in place and I will now give an example of one in which I am involved, as I feel it has followed all the criteria for a multi-component programme. This cross-Border project is being funded through the EU INTERREG IVA fund and is co-ordinated by CAWT, the Co-operation and Working Together group. There are two components to the programme which has been run over four pilot sites, two in the HSE areas, one in HSE north-east and one in HSE north-west, that is, Donegal.

The delivery model reflects the best practice and is family centred. It is delivered by a voluntary community development approach and the initial results are positive. The programme commenced last year and the initial evaluation by the University of Ulster indicated an increase in fitness levels among the children who participated. In the management programme we have witnessed an average of 4.8 cm in waist circumference, improved self-esteem levels, improved quality of the diet being eaten, reduction in fried and fat foods and an increase in fruit and vegetable consumption. The programme is ongoing until 2013. A number of similar type programmes are being delivered throughout the country. For example, Temple Street children's hospital runs a Way to Go programme, a six week multi-component programme for children. A similar programme operates in Limerick. There are a number of gaps in the system. I refer particularly to the one-to-one clinic where there is limited community dietetic service for patients discharged from the paediatric centre. In many cases they are left to their own devices or they are managed entirely by the hospital service.

More than 32% of the primary care teams nationally have no one-to-one dietetic service to meet the primary care needs of any patient group while a further 49% have an extremely limited service. There are no community dietitians covering Dublin south-east and no paediatric service in Dublin north.

There is a need to integrate nutrition training models for health professional staff into contact opportunity with expectant mothers, new mothers and mothers of young children, and to extend the reach of the prevention programme. We need to extend the specialist prevention in management programmes, such as, Up4IT, a cross-Border project, and the Way to Go programmes.

All children should have access to an evidence-based weight management programme within a reasonable distance from their home and which should be available on a year round basis. Programmes should be tailored for different age groups to meet exercise, and they should be comprehension appropriate. The evidence-based programmes I have mentioned - there are more listed in the handout - show positive outcomes. However, none of these programmes has sustained funding. To ensure these programmes are sustained in their locations and can be replicated, it is essential that funding is ring-fenced for prevention and management of childhood obesity and that the programme is accessible to groups, organisations and health sector workers.

It is vital the Government takes action to ensure a strategic and co-ordinated response. As a profession, the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute is here to help tackle the problem. We are willing to work in a collaborative way with all the relevant stakeholders.

I invite members of the committee to ask questions. I remind them that I do not want long rambling statements but concise questions for the witnesses who have come here to participate and make this an important occasion. If members wish to highlight any particular issue, after the questions are put, they should feel free to do so, bearing in mind that we must conclude by 12.

I thank all the members and the organisations for their excellent presentations. On the issue of taxing fat foods, such a tax would hit low income earners more than other sections of the community. The witnesses also mentioned subsidising healthy foods as opposed to fat foods. Would this be difficult to implement and how does it operate in the countries mentioned? Legislating for calorie and fat content on menus was mentioned. Members of the Restaurant Association of Ireland said it would be quite difficult because they change their menus daily at lunchtime, in the evenings and so on whereas fast food outlets have the full calorie and fat content for their menus which are set and are practically the same every day. Do the witnesses see that as presenting difficulties for restaurants? They say it would be very difficult to have the calorie and fat content included on all menus in restaurants. The message everybody is trying to get through is that prevention is better than cure. I will deal with those matters and pass on to my colleagues who will have questions on other issues.

Rather than confuse the issue, I will take questions from two members which can be responded to and then we can move on to the next two. If a member wishes to direct a question at a particular witness, he or she may do so.

I thank the witnesses for their presentations. As there was much to cover, I appreciate the fact that they have tried to narrow their engagement with us because, obviously, spreading out the issue was quite difficult. The urgency of the work is amplified by what they have said. It is clear from what Ms Emma Ball has said that there are some programmes that work and that at least one, if not two, can show an improvement. Is it the case that the HSE is still at the cure mode rather than the prevention mode and that this will be a problem with whatever programme may be introduced? There could be another programme in the morning that would also show signs of success but the model of the HSE is such that it trundles on trying to cure people. Is sufficient weight attached to prevention for that work? Is it that the organisation feels like a poor relation? I mean that in the broadest sense.

In respect of the Irish Cancer Society, is it the case that the number of younger women smoking is still increasing? That was my understanding from information I had previously. If so, the witness speaks clearly about what works and yet there appears to be a gap. The society is working away and they are out in the big world. I am sure this is an issue which the society wrestles with every day. How does the society make matter the impact of what it knows? What has it been doing and how can it be progressed? The society knows what works but how does the society get it to work, as there appears to be a big gap?

The witnesses may respond in whatever order they wish.

Ms Mairéad Lyons

I have some comments in response to Senator Maurice Cummins's queries. In regard to the food tax, there is no easy answer. It is an issue that is still at the developmental stage. Studies are reviewing how some of the taxation strategies have worked in different countries. Different countries have different taxation models. The insights are that one has to think about potentially combining taxation with subsidy in order not to penalise those on low incomes. Australia considered imposing a tax on non-core foods. Therefore, it would not affect the person being able to buy sufficient food and nutrition for their family, and they saw that they could save 175,000 disability life-adjusted years just by doing that. Clearly, within the Irish context we have a particular taxation framework. We also have very good data for the food industry and food sales. We also understand and know our population. What we must do is develop a model for a taxation strategy and within it determine the impact. Obviously, we are looking to protect the low income population who could be penalised by the taxation system.

Regarding restaurants, because restaurateurs update their menus from time to time they will be challenged in highlighting the calorie count, fat and sugar content, etc., as has been done in other countries. It is not an impossible feat. The starting point could be proposing to them that some element of their menus include low calorie, low fat, low carbohydrate and low sugar meals. Through negotiation with the industry it may be possible to get something moving in this regard to allow people, whether they choose to eat in a fast food or different type of restaurant, to select from the menu something that suits them in maintaining a healthy balance in their food choices.

I am concerned about the time remaining. We have about ten minutes left and four or five Senators want to ask questions.

Dr. Triona McCarthy

The issue of taxation on energy-dense foodstuffs is complex. Some countries, including France, have chosen to go down the route of increasing taxation on sugary drinks, an example of a non-core foodstuff. Adopting that step wise approach is one way of doing it. We emphasise the need for a cautious approach so as not to introduce a regressive policy and to have it as part of a package whereby healthy foodstuffs can be subsidised, but we must empower people to make healthy choices, whether it be through the provision of community supports or groups that help the disadvantaged with cookery skills. It must be part of a bigger package.

Ms Emma Ball

I will answer the question on prevention. I agree with the Senator. It is difficult to measure the outcomes of prevention programmes. The OECD has stated the outcomes and benefits of such programmes will take a long time to measure. We are in an environment in which budgets are being cut all the time. Our budgets within the Health Service Executive are continuously being cut. It is easier to cut a health promotion activity than to cut, say, the number of beds within an acute hospital setting.

Issues have arisen in recent years in our own profession about the non-replacement of dietetic posts. This has led to a reduction in our input, for example, in school programmes, preschool activity, the training of staff and our ability on the management side. We must look after those children who are obese, as well as prevent the problem from occurring. Let me give one example. I am the practitioner on the ground. We have been involved in a project in Sligo-Leitrim for the past seven years, the money for which has almost run out. It is a successful project in preschool settings which follows all of the evidence. It is a multi-component project, but it is likely that it will be closed in September because we cannot access €50,000 to continue it. It is a case of putting in a relatively small amount of money now rather than dealing with escalating costs in dealing with the problem of obesity in the long term.

I will call Senator Ivana Bacik and Senator Marie Louise O'Donnell in that order.

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

May I make a brief comment on young women and smoking?

Ms Kathleen O’Meara

I thank the Senator for raising the issue. The tobacco industry is specifically targeting young women. If members have an opportunity to do so, they should look at the packaging being used. I recently saw a packet of 20 cigarettes which for all the world looked like a perfume container. It was pink; the cigarettes were beautifully packaged and called Vogue. There were 20 slimline cigarettes inside the packet. It was extraordinary. That is the reason the use of plain packaging is an important tool in dealing with marketing tactics.

On the issue of gender and smoking, some complex issues arise in terms of perception, weight and image. People like Kate Moss and other well known figures in the fashion industry, for instance, are often pictured smoking. In working class communities or disadvantaged areas smoking is often a peer-led experience. It is something one starts to do in one's teens because everybody else is doing it. It goes with the territory. It is very difficult to deal with some of these issues and it needs a specific, targeted approach. We are holding a seminar in July to address these issues and invite all members to attend.

I thank the delgates for their fascinating presentations. I have two short questions. One is a general question which follows on from what Senator Maurice Cummins said about incentivising healthy eating. Has anyone considered, or has it been done elsewhere, changing the way foods are displayed in convenience shops, newsagents and so on? As a mother of small children, I am aware that it is difficult to pick up a healthy snack and avoid the unhealthy snacks which are prominently displayed. Has any thought been given to incentivising shops to display fruit and healthy snacks, as opposed to sweets and crisps, or going further and doing what we did in the case of alcohol and cigarettes and changing the law to ban the display of sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks and so on? Do the delegates know of any such programme in other countries which has been successful?

My second question is specifically for the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute. I was very concerned to hear about lack of resources and the absence of a dietitian in my area of Dublin south-east. The delegates spoke about the link between disadvantage and obesity which has been highlighted in the Growing up in Ireland programme. Obviously, the targeted programmes about which they spoke are important, but is there evidence that direct intervention programmes such as breakfast clubs and the provision of school lunches by councils are effective? That is where funding seems to be more ongoing in terms of direct intervention at school level. Does this work, or are more targeted and intense programmes more effective?

It is wonderful to have the delegates here. I read through all the material and it frightened me greatly. I believed, with all my supposed knowledge, that cancer was genetic in that if one's mother had breast cancer, one was likely to suffer from it, but we hear that it has to do with processed, sugary and fatty foods and also inactivity. Given what Senator Susan O'Keeffe said, are we not hearing that message loudly enough? I understand all of the programmes the delegates are trying to get through and losing €50,000 for the programme mentioned is crazy, but I wonder about what Ms O'Meara said about women and smoking, that they seemed to be targeted. Is our response urgent enough? Is that the way we can help the delegates, by showing urgency in linking cancers? I could not believe what I was hearing about oral cancers. I had always thought alcohol affected the liver and that tobacco affected the lungs, but the delegates' work and the studies indicate inactivity, processed foods and foods with a high fat and salt content present a huge risk. That was an education for somebody who was supposed to be taking it all in. The high rate of cancer in disadvantaged areas was also mentioned.

I have two questions. First, are we an unhealthy nation? Does this island have an unusually high rate of cancer compared to that in other countries in Europe? This also links to the urgency I mentioned. Is that what we, as Senators, should come away with - the urgency of what the witnesses need to communicate?

There were many questions. We will start with those from Senator Bacik.

Dr. Triona McCarthy

We are similar to other developed countries in our high rates of cancer and in the fact that we have cancers which are due to lifestyle risk factors. In less developed countries there are more cancers due to infectious diseases whereas in Ireland and other developed countries lifestyle factors are an issue. We are not alone in this but that is not to say there is nothing we should do about it.

In terms of awareness of the risk factors for cancer, a number of studies, not so much in Ireland but in other developed countries, have shown that people think of genetics, coffee-drinking and other things as factors in causing cancer. There is some awareness of alcohol, as the Senator mentioned, particularly as it relates to liver cancer, and also of tobacco, but much less awareness of obesity and physical inactivity as risk factors. There is an opportunity to raise awareness in this regard.

Ms Mairéad Lyons

I will comment, if I may, on both speakers. That was a great idea from Senator Bacik about working within the shop environment and about the positioning of foods that are energy-dense, with high fat and sugar content, and healthier foods. I do not know if this aspect has been studied; I am not aware of any such projects that have been delivered and evaluated, but that does not mean it is not a great idea.

Senator O'Donnell is right that cancer is a pressing issue. We are gathering more and more information about lifestyle factors and there is evidence to support their strength in influencing and causing cancer. Although we know, and have known for a long time, about 30% of cancers being caused by tobacco smoking, we also know that 30% of cancers are caused by lifestyle factors such as obesity, being overweight or inactive, drinking alcohol and food intake. When we combine those we are confident that almost half of cancers could be prevented when we start to tackle those issues. However, they are not straightforward. The lady from the Irish Nutrition and Dietetic Institute pointed out that lifestyle - how one lives, eats, consumes, the environmental influences around this, and the family environment, including breast-feeding and its influence on obesity in later life - are all significant factors that need multifaceted programmes. We have been working towards integrated services but we need to take that a great deal further and link into what a service is doing and how it can protect against disease later in life. It is possible we are not investing enough in this regard.

Ireland is in the upper third of European countries in terms of cancer incidence and is probably about halfway up the table in terms of mortality. Our survival rates for some cancers are much lower. The survival rates for lung cancer, for example, are lower than those of some of our European counterparts. However, we hope to see improvements arising from the reorganisation of cancer services. Protection against disease is the one area in which we have under-invested in recent years. There is a real opportunity now because we have better information than we have ever had, which will allow us to tackle these issues.

Ms Emma Ball

In answer to Senator Bacik's query and to reinforce what has been said, the solution to both prevention and management of cancer is multifaceted. Breakfast clubs, school lunches and healthy eating policies in schools are all important components, in conjunction with behaviour-changing programmes on the ground in the community setting. The framework for obesity prevention includes factors such as legislation, the media, urban design, transport, food supply, the health care system, early years in school, the family and the individual. It is not just the responsibility of the HSE to solve the problem. We need to be working with all the different agencies and the Department of Education and Skills must work with the Departments of Transport, Tourism and Sport, Agriculture, Food and the Marine, and Health. It is very much about looking at all the different aspects. What we are trying to do is to ensure the healthier option is the easier option for all of our children. That applies to both physical activity and healthy eating.

I thank the delegates for their presentation. I refer to two issues, the first of which is the necessity of getting information across. I understand, for example, that the rate of breast cancer in China is far lower per head of population than in any other country and I presume this is because of the type of food people eat. I do not know whether we have sold that issue in Ireland. We have done it in regard to smoking and in a good number of other areas but the type of food people eat can contribute to the cancers they may subsequently develop. The issue is how we can develop an overall programme to get such information across.

The second issue is that of the schools programme. Do the delegates believe we are doing enough? In their presentation they spoke about individual programmes that were very good, but are we doing enough at both primary and secondary level in educating and making information available to young people? Education is for life. I wonder if there is enough in the existing school programmes, primary and secondary, on this whole area.

I will allow Senator Bradford to speak. We were some minutes late starting.

I will be very brief. I thank all the speakers for their presentations, which will give us much food for thought, if the pun can be excused.

What is the level of co-ordination between the groups they represent? There is a National Cancer Control Programme, but is there some kind of central controlling voice? If one exists it will have to become sharper, louder and clearer in order to get this message across. If no such central agency exists, should there not be one? All of the delegates come at the problem from slightly different angles but in a sense their solutions, such as public education, are similar. What is the level of co-operation and should there be a lead link point that works with the Department and the Minister to get this urgent message across?

Ms Mairéad Lyons

I will take the two questions very briefly. Yes, there is a higher incidence of breast cancer in the developed world than there is in China. There are many factors that influence breast cancer so it is not merely a lifestyle factor. In the UK and the US, we have been able to demonstrate scientifically, with the evidence available, that up to 40% of breast cancers can be prevented by lifestyle changes, such as women limiting their intake or having no intake of alcohol, having a healthy weight, keeping body fat down, particularly around the stomach, and being physically active.

The Irish Cancer Society has produced and continues to produce material. I have here one of the booklets we produced on reducing the risk of getting cancer. In it, we speak of lifestyle, diet, the food pyramid and the healthy way to eat. In addition, this year we co-operated with the Irish Society of Chartered Physiotherapists to produce a physical activity pyramid that shows how a person needs to be active and the different things one can do to reduce the risk of getting cancer. It is activities such as that and working at a community level that heighten awareness.

In response to the second Senator, we cannot merely focus on schools. Schools are very important - that is true - but the most important figure in a child's life is the parent. Parental knowledge about food and the impact of the consumption of different foods and inactivity is really important as these affect a child's future life and his or her risk of developing disease. I am fairly confident that we, in terms of all the agencies combined and the Department, have not done enough to communicate that message to parents, which is not an easy one to communicate. It is time for us to move on that.

As I said earlier, we probably have the best data available now. Five years ago we would not have had the strength of evidence in regard to cancer that we can categorically stand over now, and the strength of evidence is improving each year. Now is the time to move on this when we have such good information. We also have great population information. The Growing Up in Ireland study is an excellent one and it needs to be maintained in terms of the information it provides. If we introduce interventions now, the Growing up in Ireland study can tell us that five years down the road, we will see the impact in children of the interventions we introduce now. Therefore, now is a good time to move on this.

The Irish Cancer Society has been invited to some fora dealing with issues around obesity but not around the issues of physical activity. We are actively inserting ourselves into those networks. We agree that there needs to be leadership in this area at Government level. We have urged the setting up of a sub-committee of Cabinet because we believe the issue is that serious that it requires that type of commitment to address the problems.

I have the perception that as a teenager growing up in rural Ireland, I had never heard of cancer up to the time I sat my intermediate certificate, which is now the junior certificate. Has there been a progression of various types of cancers and an increase in the incidence cancer during the past 40 or 50 years? Are we winning war? That is the basic question I have. I am aware that great effort is being made in this area. Ms Lyons would probably say we are winning but is it a case that we win one battle and there is another coming down on us? We seem to hear of many more different types of cancers now of which either we were ignorant 50 years ago or else they occurred but we were not aware of them. As a 15 or 16 year old I cannot remember people dying of cancer but, unfortunately, now it is almost a daily routine.

Dr. Triona McCarthy

Genetics was mentioned as being one of the risk factors with cancer but by far the biggest is age. The fact that we are living longer-----

Dr. Triona McCarthy

It is age. The increasing age of our population means people live longer and do not die of heart attacks and strokes. Our success in treating certain conditions means people are living longer and develop cancers. That is one reason certain cancers are seen more and will be seen more. We still have a relatively young population compared with some of our European counterparts.

In terms of the message we want to get across to the public, we should aim for a positive one with a focus on there being something one can do to reduce one's risk of developing cancer. It should not be one just based on scare tactics, the message should be that by eating healthily, being physically active, not smoking and staying a healthy weight one can reduce one's risk of developing cancer. It is not inevitable that one will be diagnosed with cancer. Cancer is not something that everyone will get. The message I most want this group to take away is how can we influence our society and environment to make living a healthy lifestyle the easier choice for people to make. We have worked with health agencies to examine overlaps in terms of risk factors to reduce chronic diseases, but there are other factors outside the health area that are much more important in terms of our environment and making access to physical activity easier for people. That is the bigger picture with which this committee could help us.

Does Ms Ball wish to make a brief comment?

Ms Emma Ball

I reiterate the point that any programmes and interventions should not be seen as a punishment for parents. What we have learned from the programmes we have run in our area is that they need to be fun and interactive. The feedback we have got is that they are fun both for the children and the parents. It comes down to basic skills in regard to cooking. We have cookery classes for both parents and children in regard to the reading of labels and going on shopping trips. It is very much the case that any intervention needs to be practical to recruit participants because we are not going to force people to participate in a programme they do not want to attend. We want them to be lining up to attend a programme because they heard it is great fun, they will make friends and they will learn a good deal when they do it.

I thank the witnesses.

May I seek clarification on a point?

Yes, briefly, as we are concluding.

Can Ms Mairéad Lyons clarify if she was calling for a sub-committee at Cabinet level because that is quite a big ask?

Ms Mairéad Lyons

We have to tackle disease prevention in particular, although obviously our interest is in the area of cancer. The lifestyle factors we talked about are similar factors in cardiovascular disease, and diet is a factor in the growing number of cases of diabetes. If we are serious about tackling disease prevention, which is what we are talking about, we need a serious commitment at Cabinet level. Therefore we believe it is important to set up a Cabinet committee to examine the complexities in terms of social, environmental and economic policies and how they can interplay to make the healthier choices easier for people to make. Such a policy would make living a healthier lifestyle the first thing one would think of doing and not something one must do on turning 40 years of age and realising one is overweight, one smokes, one's lifestyle is unhealthy and one must do something about it. A healthy lifestyle must be something that is part of our everyday living, that we choose, that is fun and that does not make us feel like we are giving something up. It is complex. It is not that one programme will answer everything. That is why if one wants to tackle disease prevention, a commitment at that level is required. The various Departments need to understand the role their policies play and the impact they can have on people's lifestyle and disease prevention.

This relates to environmental policy, planning, how people get access to public spaces and how they can have access to public transport in that they would walk to take public transport to their destination rather than driving a car to get from A to B. A simple example of this is the location of large shopping centres away from urban centres which requires people to drive to these centres to do their shopping and drive back. In that context, a family environment involves driving to a shopping centre such that family activity no longer involves the simple activity of walking to the shops.

Can I clarify if that is something Ms Lyons has called for already or is she calling for it now?

Ms Mairéad Lyons

We have made the call in our submission.

I am clarifying that Ms Lyons is making the call here.

Ms Mairéad Lyons

Yes.

As Chairman of this committee, on behalf of our members and other Senators who were kind enough to attend, we extend our thanks and gratitude for the excellent work the witnesses are doing and for taking the time to make some excellent submissions to us. As politicians and policy drivers, I hope we can take on board some of the views they put to us and make life better for the public. Go raibh míle maith agaibh.

We will move on immediately to the next witness, as she have travelled here from abroad and needs to return soon. The other witnesses are welcome to stay for the next session. They do not have to leave the Chamber. They are welcome to remain and listen to our next witness, Dr. Kate Allen.

No. 4 is a submission from the World Cancer Research Fund International UK. I welcome Dr. Kate Allen, science and communications director, who has flown in specially to be with us and who returns to London this afternoon. I apologise for the delay in proceedings. We were late beginning the session but we will not delay Dr. Allen.

By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give this committee. If a witness is directed by the committee to cease giving evidence in relation to a particular matter and the witness continues to so do, the witness is entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of his or her evidence. Witnesses are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and witnesses are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise nor make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Dr. Allen is more than welcome and I invite her to make her presentation which will be followed by a question and answer session.

Dr. Kate Allen

I thank the committee for inviting me to attend in this wonderful building. I will touch on many of the themes which have been aired already, but I will speak specifically about food, nutrition, physical activity and looking at the prevention of cancer from a global perspective. I have provided a handout which has been distributed. I will refer to the information on the handout and from time to time I will draw attention to particular points.

I will begin with some scene-setting information about cancer patterns and trends over time. I will deal in particular with a couple of extensive reports into diet and cancer which my organisation has developed and which include recommendations for reducing cancer risk, and I will speak about policy and present some conclusions.

I will begin by speaking about my organisation because I do not know if Members are familiar with our work. The World Cancer Research Fund Global Network is not a single organisation but rather a small network of charities based in a number of countries. The World Cancer Research Fund UK is based in London and we have offices in Hong Kong, France and the Netherlands. In the United States the organisation is called the American Institute for Cancer Research. I work for World Cancer Research Fund International UK and it is the umbrella organisation providing overall strategic and operational support for the countries.

All the charities have same the same vision and mission and we are all dedicated to preventing cancer by means of health lifestyle changes. By lifestyle in this context I mean diet, physical activity and weight management. This is achieved in a number of different ways. We fund research into diet and cancer. We then interpret that research to provide educational messages that underpin our education programmes which are targeted at a variety of audiences from children to parents, teachers, health professionals, scientists and policy-makers, for example. We take those big reports I mentioned and we use those as a kind of advocacy tour to use with policy-makers to advocate for healthy public policies.

I will speak in more detail about the reports shortly. The first report deals with food, nutrition and physical activity and the prevention of cancer. The other report deals with policy and action for cancer prevention. They are both global reports and they speak to a global audience.

I will explain why such reports are needed. Cancer rates are on the rise and increasing. They are projected to increase in the year 2030 to about 16 million new cases a year globally and about 12 million deaths. As we heard earlier, we cannot do much about some of the things that are fuelling that increase. We are all living longer, populations are living longer and cancer, as has been said, is mainly a disease of older age. There is not all that much that can be done in this regard.

Lifestyle factors are also fuelling this epidemic and we can take actions to change people's behaviour with regard to food and nutrition and physical activity and to make an impact on the cancer rates. This projection is not set in stone; cancer rates are neither fixed nor inevitable. Much of the information about this comes from migration studies. Members may be familiar with some very extensive and famous migration studies from the 1960s and 1970s. What they show is that when people move from one country to another, they adopt the patterns of the new country. For example, a famous study looked at women in Japan in the 1960s. When they lived in Japan, they had a classic Japanese pattern of cancers, so this meant a high rate of stomach cancer and very low rates of colorectal and breast cancer. These women moved to Hawaii and within a generation or so, the pattern was quite different. Now the stomach cancer rate had come down significantly but the breast and colorectal cancer rates had risen. Within another generation, it had changed further still. Now, the breast cancer rates had shot right up, colorectal cancer rates had levelled off and the stomach cancer rates had come down again. What happened was a change from a classic Japanese pattern of cancer to a classic western, Hawaiian-US pattern, within a couple of generations. This was a study of movement from one country to another.

However, a study of movement within a single country over time will show differences. Japan is the country in question. Over the past 40 to 50 years, cancer patterns have changed significantly within Japan. There continues to be a sustained increase in colorectal and breast cancers, and this is because people within Japan are transitioning through moving from a classic Japanese type of diet through to a more western type of diet. These patterns and changes are so rapid that they cannot be due to anything other than an environmental effect. Although genes are very important and certain cancers are linked to high risk genes, most cancers are not and most cancers are determined by the environment. We can change the environment in which people live.

Looking at the top ten cancer rates, this is definitely a top ten of which no one wants to be part. Ireland comes in at number two, but if one looks at all the countries in the top ten, they are all countries from Europe, from Australasia and North America. Although there are big differences between these countries, what they tend to share in common are typical western-type dietary patterns, diets which tend to be high in fat, high in sugar, quite a lot meat, not necessarily much fruit and vegetables, and a lot of alcohol. They share certain patterns.

On the question of what is happening to make these cancer patterns change at the most basic level, there is much evidence from both human and animal studies that what we eat and drink, how much alcohol we consume and our level of body fat all impact upon the actual processes in our cells that lead to the development of cancer. What we eat can either have a protective effect, for example, on the cells or it can have a pro-cancer effect. Cancer takes a very long time to develop so it can take ten to 20 years sometimes. During that journey of a cell from being a nice normal cell through to a cell with cancer potential, there are many opportunities for the cell to be affected by things that protect it. I refer to vitamin A and lycopene as two factors which have been shown to be protective of cells. On the other hand, things like obesity, inflammation and heterocyclic amines give the cell a push and accelerate it on its journey towards being a cancer cell. At a basic cellular level, what we eat and drink can affect our risk of cancer and cancer process, and this has been manifested in these cancer rates and trends and different patterns.

This has been the scene-setting and now I will move on to talk about the reports on food, nutrition, physical activity and the prevention of cancer. This report was produced by the World Cancer Research Fund Global Network and was published in 2007. It was and is the most authoritative report and is widely cited in the scientific literature on diet and cancer. It took more than six years to produce and more than 250 scientists from throughout the world contributed to producing it. The main output is ten recommendations on cancer prevention aimed at individuals and on which I will touch shortly.

I thought it would be useful to say a little about how the report was put together. When it was first considered in the early 2000s, a methodology which could be used to produce this type of report was not available. Therefore, a new method had to be developed especially for it. It was peer reviewed and rigorously tested and then used by nine teams of scientists all based in different centres in different countries. Between them they took groups of cancer sites such as breast, lung and prostate and systematically reviewed all the evidence that had ever been published on the links between diet and cancer. In their first trawl through the literature they identified approximately 500,000 papers of relevance. Using very rigorous selection criteria, they boiled down these to approximately 7,000 papers which were the most credible, rigorous and well conducted papers on animal and human work and various clinical and other trials and provided the substrate for the diet and cancer report. Importantly, their systematic review of the evidence was kept separate from the judging of the evidence. This was to ensure the judging of the evidence was as impartial and independent as possible. A panel of 21 international experts, leading scientists and clinicians chaired by Sir Michael Marmot examined the evidence, weighed it and made judgments which then became recommendations on the issue of whether a particular dietary component was convincingly linked, probably linked or not linked to causing cancer or protecting against it.

A handout has been presented on the summary of convincing and probable judgments. This is a complex graphic which takes a while to assimilate, but I will pull out a few messages. The 7,000 studies were percolated and resulted in a matrix which is a core component of the diet and cancer report. Included are the various exposures which were examined. They include fruit and vegetables, lycopene, meat, fish, energy-dense foods, sugary drinks and alcoholic drinks. Also included are the various cancer sites examined by the nine centres throughout the world, including mouth, oesophagus, lung, stomach, liver, breast and ovary. Weight gain, overweight and obesity get their own column because of the very strong evidence that emerged linking body fatness and obesity with seven cancer types, in particular.

Anything in the graphic coloured blue has a protective effect, while anything that is coloured pink has a cancer-causing effect. There is a raft of blue blocks across various cancer sites which are focused mainly on plant foods. There is a host of pink and red blocks which are mainly linked with physical inactivity, body fatness and weight generally. There are several red blocks which have to do with red and processed meat and the link with colorectal cancer. The various dietary constituents and cancer sites are summarised in this one graphic. Although it is a reductionist approach, it is a very useful tool to have.

The role of the panel was to take this rather reductionist approach and reconstitute it in a way that was meaningful and reflected how people actually ate and drank. The panel considered all of the evidence and made ten headline recommendations. The first eight are aimed at everyone throughout society, while the last two, on breast-feeding and cancer survivors, are aimed at special population groups. The first three recommendations are connected with weight and activity. It is recommended that one be as lean as possible within the normal weight range, be physically active as part of everyday life, limit consumption of energy-dense foods and avoid sugary drinks. The next five recommendations are to do with plant and animal foods. It is recommended that one eat mostly foods of plant origin, limit the intake of red meat, alcoholic drinks and the consumption of salt, aim to meet nutritional needs through diet alone and avoid mouldy cereals, which is not much of a problem for us but is a problem in large parts of the world. The recommendation on breast-feeding is very important because, as probably has been touched on, breast-feeding protects mothers from developing breast cancer and the child from becoming overweight and obese in later life, which protects them from a raft of cancers. Cancer survivors are also a special population group. At the time the report was published there was not enough evidence on cancer survivors available to make a particular recommendation, but there is much more evidence available now. These are the individual recommendations linked with public health goals. The physical activity goal is aimed at everyone and the aim linked with it is for the proportion of the population that is sedentary to be halved every ten years. Each of these recommendations is linked with a higher level population goal.

I mentioned the report was published in 2007. To keep the evidence updated and ensure as an organisation we can provide the most up-to-date evidence, we have a continuous update project which is undertaken in liaison with a team of scientists at Imperial College London. They work to the same principles as were used in the 2007 report. They are systematically reviewing all evidence published since 2007. There is a separate panel of independent experts who weigh the evidence and will draw conclusions and make recommendations in order that we can ensure the recommendations are kept current.

To take stock, cancer is a major cause of death, disability and lost life years, but it does not have to be this way. Many cancers are environmentally determined which means they are largely preventable. All one needs is the will, particularly the political will, to grab the problem by the throat and do something about it. Not smoking is the most important thing one can do to affect one's cancer risk. Alongside this, body fatness, physical activity, diet and nutrition are the most important factors we can modify. As we heard, this is a very empowering message to be able to give. It is something very positive people can do, although, as we hear, it can sometimes be very difficult for people to do. The evidence that cancer is preventable is very strong, certainly strong enough to justify action.

This leads us to a report published in 2009 on policy and action aimed at cancer prevention which is a companion to the 2007 report. It was overseen by the same panel of 21 experts with the addition of three special policy experts. The aim of the report was to examine how the personal recommendations made in the diet and cancer report could be implemented to achieve public health objectives. As part of this, the panel which oversaw the report wanted to develop new preventability estimates to examine the level of cancer that was preventable. It showed that approximately a third of the most common cancers in high-income countries like Ireland can be prevented by having appropriate food, nutrition, physical activity and body fat levels. In lower-income countries, approximately a quarter of the most common cancers can be prevented in that way. Members can see a list of the most common cancers.

A previous speaker mentioned that it is important to bear in mind that what works for cancer also works for the big chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease and lung disease. They share common risk factors, which means that a common approach to tackling them can be taken. That is easier said than done, however, especially when our environment works against us and sometimes makes it difficult for people to make healthy choices. It is easy to access cheap and plentiful alcohol. It is easy to consume highly processed and energy-dense foods. People can have no option other than to jump in the car if they want to get from A to B. Our environments are not always conducive to physical activity. One of the underpinning messages of any examination of public health policy should be that there is a need for the environment to be rebalanced to make it a healthier one in which to make choices.

As we have heard, the environment is very influential in shaping behaviour. People behave like those around them and in accordance with what is considered to be the social norm. It is important to provide education and raise awareness, but that on its own is going to be limited in terms of really achieving the scope of preventability. It is quite difficult to get people to change their behaviour in a sustained long-term way if they are being asked to do something that deviates strongly from what is considered the social norm. We need to go bigger by looking at the external environment in which people are making their choices. That is where people like the members of the committee are so important. They have an opportunity to influence and shape Government initiatives.

If we can go bigger by shaping the external environment, we can help to shape people's choices and behaviours and start to make a dent in the incidence of cancer and other chronic diseases. I will give a couple of examples. Smoke-free environments were pioneered in Ireland. When one goes into a pub and finds that nobody is smoking, it is hard for one to remember that it was not that long ago that pubs were horrible and smoky. One does not think about smoke in pubs because it is normal that nobody is smoking. Similarly, there was a great deal of controversy in the UK in the 1970s when legislation was introduced to require people to wear seat belts. It was argued that by forcing people to wear seat belts, one would remove a choice from them. It was suggested that people should be allowed not to wear seat belts. There was so much evidence that the wearing of seat belts reduced fatality rates that seat belt legislation was introduced in the end. It is now the social norm for everyone to wear a seat belt. I have given a couple of examples of how really big sustained effects and changes in behaviour can be achieved.

I will not dwell on the graphic from the policy report that depicts the factors which constrain personal choice. The graphic in question, which was used to help to shape the format of the policy report, makes it clear that many factors affect people's choices. We like to think our choices are free, but that is not really the case. Environmental, economic and social factors may operate at local, national and international levels. All of these things combine to influence the foods and drinks we consume. They affect how physically active we are. They can determine whether women breastfeed. They affect our body fat levels. All of those factors, in turn, translate into health outcomes. The bottom line is that if one can mend the external factors by making them conducive to healthier choices, one is much more likely to achieve a sustained long-term change in behaviour.

One of the over-arching messages from the policy report is that cancer prevention is everyone's business. Every member of society has a role to play. The report identifies nine groups of actors, including ordinary people, health professionals, workplaces, civil society organisations like WCRF International and the other organisations that will be here today, Government, industry and multinational bodies. The message from the report is that no single group can do it on its own. There is a need for sustained talk and action across the various groups. If that is to happen, there has to be leadership, ideally from the Government, which is important because it has front and central responsibility for the health of its citizens. Health professionals are also important because they are at the coal face every day. As they deal with patients, they are in a unique position to be able to influence them.

The diet and cancer report makes ten recommendations. The policy report makes 47 or 48 recommendations, which are divided among the nine groups of actors. Each group has its own set of recommendations. The policy report emphasises that there is a direct evidence trail between the ten recommendations made in the diet and cancer report and the recommendations made in the policy report. The policy report also makes recommendations about how the various groups can work together to achieve public health goals and recommendations. I am sure the committee will not be surprised to hear that the biggest number of recommendations in the policy report relate to the governmental sector. I will briefly mention four of them.

One of the recommendations involves examining and auditing legislation and regulations to ensure they protect public health and prevent disease. That is about taking stock and seeing what the situation is now. Another recommendation relates to the built and external environments. We have heard that the environment is really important. If one does not feel safe walking around, or if one does not have easy access to places where one can walk and engage in physical activity, that will have an effect on how physically active one is. Another recommendation involves encouraging nutrient-dense unprocessed foods and discouraging highly processed foods and sugary drinks. The final recommendation I would like to mention is that proposing that the advertising and marketing of fast food to children should be restricted.

The report emphasises that governments should think about doing these things by means of legislation, pricing or other regulation unless there is good independent evidence that voluntary codes have been effective. This is a really good time to be thinking about the prevention of cancer and other chronic non-communicable diseases. A great deal of emphasis is currently being placed on the scope of cancer and non-communicable diseases. It has been recognised at the highest level as being a problem for all countries throughout the world. It is not just a problem for western developed countries. Developing countries have an equally big problem, especially as they start to make the transition to the types of diets and lifestyles that are associated with the west.

Some members might be aware that a General Assembly high-level meeting took place in New York last September. It was just the second time in history that a United Nations meeting focused on a health issue. Governments from around the world signed up to a political declaration on the prevention and control of non-communicable diseases, which was the outcome of the meeting. A tremendous amount of activity is taking place on the question of how best to implement the political declaration that now exists. It is no more than a roadmap at present. It needs to be fleshed out.

A global strategy for the prevention and control of non-communicable diseases has been developed by the World Health Organization, which is currently in the process of drawing up a new action plan to run from 2014. It is intended that the WHO action plan will dovetail into the political declaration to make sure there is a global framework for reducing the rates of cancer and other non-communicable diseases. That will need to be fleshed out and acted upon at national level.

I will give examples of some of the action areas where policies need to be implemented. The Government, in particular, can take an important role in these areas. The committee has heard a great deal about some of these already. There should be an examination of the commercial marketing activities that target children. Consideration should be given to extending the age range to make it wider. The watershed could be extended to take account of the fact that children - especially these days - tend to look at television at all sorts of different times and not necessarily just before the watershed. We should also examine emerging social media, including online marketing.

We heard a little about fiscal measures earlier. We need to make sure we balance incentives and disincentives. We could increase the level of tax that applies to energy-dense foods. It would not necessarily be a fat tax. If a fat tax were to be introduced in the absence of a multinutrient approach, people might end up eating more foods that have lots of sugar or lots of salt on them. We need to look at the whole profile of the food and how it can be balanced with subsidies of fruit and vegetables so that the impact at the end of the day on a household budget is fairly economically neutral.

On the activities of food manufacturers around labelling, there is a great deal of evidence available which indicates that the system which people prefer and find the most easy to understand is the traffic light system. Consideration could be given to extending front of pack labelling with the traffic light system, which communicates quite complex nutritional information but is easy to understand. Action could also be taken in the area of portion size. The trend of super-sizing - when one orders a glass of wine or coffee in a restaurant, one is regularly asked if one wants a large one - is invidious and entrenched in our society. Consideration must also be given to food reformulation not only in respect of salt, but sugar and fat, so as to develop healthier options. The industry has a vital role to play in terms of coming up with healthier options. Issues such as retailers-supermarkets engaging in price promotions, such as buy one get one free, buy one get two free offers, and selling cheap alcohol as a loss leader and so on also need to be looked at. On urban planning, we heard about the importance of planning environments so that they are conducive to physical activity and other healthy behaviours. Another area for consideration is policy around food supply and agriculture, for example, not incentivising the production of cheap meat, animal fats, sugar, corn syrup and so on and perhaps positively incentivising the production of fruit and vegetables.

As evidenced from our discussion today this is a really complex area. It has already been mentioned that people's choices are not made in a vacuum and that many complex and inter-related factors will impact on their behaviour and choices. As such, there is a real need for leadership from the Government. It has also been mentioned that this is not just a health issue. As such, there is a need for a whole of Government response, including by the trade, transport, agriculture and finance Ministries. Although it is important to provide education and awareness - which is a large part of what WCRF International does - to do this in the absence of wider population strategies makes getting a sustained effective change in people's behaviour much more difficult. Governments like short-term quick fix type solutions. The type of interventions about which we are speaking often require long-term implementation, monitoring and review.

The case for action is strong. There is tremendously good evidence that diet and physical activity are linked to different types of cancer. We know at a basic cellular level why and how this has come about. There is much evidence available on the impact of different policies, including the addition of different types of taxes and subsidies. The World Economic Forum recently did a study on different types of policy. Investing in primary prevention now will result in huge savings down the line because people will generally be healthier and have a better quality of life, leading to a more productive workforce. Any investment and effort made now will pay off down the line.

I referred earlier to the national regional summaries of the policy reports on other countries' experience which are global reports and speak to a global audience. These local reports are from Brazil, Latin America, the US and Canada, and there are others in the pipeline. The summaries focus on the policy and recommendations contained in the reports in the context of what recommendations and activities therein are most relevant in a particular local context and are most likely to be effective in that regard. The summaries, which are quite short documents, are tailored to the local context. The Brazilian summary, done in liaison with INCA, the Brazilian national cancer institute, has been used by the Brazilian Government in a number of ways. It is a tool for use by policy makers and has informed a number of Brazilian Government actions, including the steering committee on the national policy on health promotion and the national plans for obesity and chronic disease control. It has also fed into many policy discussions on marketing to children, which is a really hot topic in Brazil and on the taxation of unhealthy products. It, along with many other studies, has been used by policy makers.

An example of good practice policies in Brazil is in the area of school meals. The Brazilian Government recently passed a new law which legislates for local authorities to spend 70% of their budget on fruit and vegetables. Networks of health professionals have been set up to advise and assist them in this regard. As mentioned, schools are an important environment as they enable us to encourage children at an early stage of life to develop healthy habits which can then be carried through into adulthood. As mentioned also, overweight children tend to become overweight adults. As such, if we can establish healthy eating habits with children we are half way towards having healthy adults.

Ciclovias is a cycle lane project which is being pioneered across Latin America. It started out in Argentina, was then introduced in Chile and is now being established in Brazil. The aim is to have a car free Sunday. Huge amounts of cars, such as there are on the big city streets in Latin America, can be very dangerous to people trying to cross the road. This project aims to encourage a car free Sunday and to get people out of their cars and onto their bikes or feet. There has been a great deal of public education and promotion around the project and it has been quite successful. The aim is to reach at least two million people across the region in Brazil every Sunday.

Another particular area of focus in Brazil is promotion and protection of breastfeeding. I mentioned earlier that breastfeeding is important in two ways: it protects the mother against breast cancer and protects the child from becoming overweight or obese in later life, which significantly reduces their risk of getting a whole host of different cancers. This is the reason the diet and cancer report specifically recommends breastfeeding. The Brazilian Government has also increased its length of paid maternity leave and has increased promotion of breastfeeding in the community, hospitals and so on. It has also made available facilities for expressing and storing milk. For example, hospitals in Brazil will often have a milk bank to which women who cannot breastfeed can go to obtain milk. These actions have led to an increase in breastfeeding in Brazil. There is also a great deal of training of health professionals to support this.

On ongoing challenges, first, to capitalise on how preventable cancer is and to get the most effective policies, governments need to use all of the tools in the toolbox, including incentives, disincentives, legislation, regulation and so on. Second, public sector stakeholders can be really important in terms of helping to promote healthy environments such as schools and workplaces, where many of us spend most of our time. For example, there are all sorts of subsidies in place in my own office, including gym membership, loans for bikes, special healthy eating lunches and so on, all of which can assist in promoting healthy behaviours at work. Third, industry is an important stakeholder in terms of incentivising manufacturers to advance reformulations and come up with healthier options. It is not always easy to do this because the taste and texture of foods can be affected. However, that is one way of providing much healthier option foods.

There is strong evidence that many cancers are preventable. Getting the best results will require concerted action across the groups I mentioned, including leadership from the Government and health professionals. In that way, sustained longer term population level activities that are coherent and joined up can be achieved. These activities are much more likely to be successful than isolated initiatives which focus on individual behavioural change, although that is important in providing education and awareness programmes. Also, cancer prevention activities and plans will need to be integrated with a country's overall national cancer plan. We must be mindful of the fact that what will work in terms of cancer prevention programmes will also work in the case of other chronic diseases such as heart disease, lung disease and diabetes. If one is thinking about local implementation, it is a good idea to obtain locally relevant evidence to help inform policies in that regard.

I have given a lot of information in a relatively short time. However, I hope it has given a reasonable overview. I am sure it picked up on some of the issues raised earlier in terms of lifestyle factors.

I thank Dr. Allen for her comprehensive presentation. I am mindful of the time and remind everyone that we must conclude at 1.15 p.m. as we are to hear a presentation by another group at 2 p.m.

I thank Dr. Allen for attending and her excellent address which mirrors many of the presentations we have received. I have two questions for her. Ireland is ranked at No. 2 on the list provided by her. Where does the United Kingdom rank and why is Ireland not similar to it in that regard?

There is always much talk by the Government about the need for preparation of reports on various issues. However, given the evidence available, there is no need for further reports. Based on the similarities in the presentations made, what we need is action.

Dr. Kate Allen

The Senator has hit the nail on the head.

Perhaps Dr. Allen might indicate the position of the United Kingdom on the list?

Dr. Kate Allen

It is at No. 22. I do not know why Ireland ranks so high, but I imagine the reason has to do with the consumption of food.

I wish we were ranked as high in the soccer tables.

I thank Dr. Allen for her excellent presentation. I heard one of her colleagues speak in Dublin last October. The evidence is abundantly clear and it is up to us to get the message across.

While Dr. Allen has said the projections are not set in stone, the message I have taken from what she and other speakers have said is that they are there or thereabouts. As such, we will need to be radical in our actions if we are to have an impact on the projection that millions will die from cancer. Are we to take the view that this is collateral damage in the production of cheaper food, which is a crude way of putting it? Is it the case that this is part of the sacrifice we have to make for having entirely changed the way we produce and eat food, or is it to the food industry to which we should be looking far more for the answers? In other words, we are shouldering the burden of what we are eating rather than going back to producers to point to the enormous impact the addition of salt and sugar has, far greater than they might have imagined? Is the industry to be allowed to continue on that track? Should we address the issue at this point, or should we just accept that this is how it is going to be?

Dr. Kate Allen

As I said previously, there is not much we can do about the rise of cancer rates because of an aging population. We are all going to die sooner or later. However, there is a great deal we can do in terms of lifestyle factors. The Senator is correct that the industry is an important player in developing healthier options. The industry in the United Kingdom has been involved in a responsibility deal with the government, but that has been done on a voluntary basis. Voluntary schemes can often work, but generally if one wants to promote change, one needs to legislate for it. As stated, the increase in rates is fuelled by the formulation of the foods we are eating. As such, the industry is an important player in bringing about change. A lot has been done, but there is much more that could be done in reformulating foods.

We should not give up then?

Dr. Kate Allen

No. There is everything to play for. This is a good time to focus on cancer prevention. There is great focus on the issue globally with reference to the upcoming high level meeting. There is also a great desire to do things. However, political will at the highest level is what is needed.

Senator Maurice Cummins referred to the fact that Ireland was at No. 2 on the list. There are many nuclear power stations on the west coast of Great Britain, in close proximity to counties Dublin, Louth, Wicklow and Down. Rightly or wrongly, many cases of cancer in these counties have been attributed to our proximity to these power stations. In Dr. Allen's opinion, is the incidence of breast cancer on the west coast of Great Britain higher than in other parts of the United Kingdom, or is it a fallacy that proximity to nuclear power stations can contribute to the incidence of cancer?

Dr. Kate Allen

I am not an expert on the nuclear industry. There is controversy about the use of nuclear fuel just as there is about the use of cell phones. In the nuclear industry there are extremely stringent checks and balances, although I understand there are particular groups which believe certain cancers are associated with the production of nuclear power. However, that is outside the remit of my organisation. Any such affect is dwarfed by the general impact of food formulation on populations in terms of cancer risk.

It it was true - I am not suggesting it is - surely there would be a greater incidence of cancer on the west cost than, for example, in the south east of England?

Dr. Kate Allen

One might think so. However, there are often other factors, about which one does not know, which are the cause. I do not know the answer to the Senator's question.

We do not have a nuclear power station in Ireland. As far as I am concerned, some day we will have one.

That is a $6 million dollar question, which as stated by Dr. Allen, is beyond her remit. She has been as honest as she can be with the Senator.

I thank Dr. Allen for her excellent presentation which has given us an international perspective on this issue. Given that international perspective and the comparative review she has given to us, which has been helpful, are private sector issues such as food manufacturing, retailers and so on best tackled at transnational level? I am thinking in particular of the European Union which recently took actions on the issue of food labelling to ensure breast milk substitutes are not oversold to breast feeding mothers. Is that the best place to target these interventions or should we be looking to tackle private retailers and manufacturers at a local level as has happened in Brazil which as Dr. Allen mentioned has some advanced policies in this area?

Dr. Kate Allen

Action is needed at a national and international level in terms of EU initiatives to help to harmonise standards. For example, it is important there be national action on the issue of marketing to children. With the help of the Internet and so on, it is possible for someone to easily access information from different countries. There is a need to harmonise an approach across countries. Both approaches are important.

I thank Dr. Allen for what has been a very interesting presentation. Under the previous Government which was Fianna Fáil-led, Ireland was the first country to introduce and implement a ban on cigarette smoking in public places. Next Saturday week female Fianna Fáil Members will make a citation to the current Leader of Fianna Fáil for his political leadership. As stated by Dr. Allen, leadership is required to make decisions. While initially there was much negativity about the ban, the then Minister, Deputy Micheál Martin, won the country over.

Dr. Kate Allen

It was introduced in 1994.

I am sure Senator Mary White would allow Dr. Allen, if free, to attend the event next Saturday week.

Dr. Kate Allen

Thank you.

Senator Mary White is flying a kite for her presentation.

I thank Dr. Allen for attending and the detailed information provided in her presentation. The lesson for me is that there is a greater need for political will to bring about policy change. I was particularly interested in Dr. Allen's remarks about Brazil, one of the BRIC countries and a new emerging economy. We might perhaps learn from it in its implementation of strong policies on food, nutrition and diet. I wish Dr. Allen a safe journey home and again thank her for her presentation. It is hoped that in the not too distant future some benefits will derive from this consultation process.

Dr. Kate Allen

It has been an interesting experience.

I remind members that we will resume our discussion at 2 p.m. sharp.

Sitting suspended at 1.15 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.

I welcome the representatives of the next three groups - Alcohol Action Ireland, the Nutrition and Health Foundation and safefood. Each group has ten minutes in which to make a presentation which will be followed by a question and answer session. I thank the representatives for their submissions and making the effort to attend this meeting. As Chairman, I must warn them about the position on privilege in committees. They should note that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give to the committee, but if they are directed by it to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against a person or persons or an entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I will start by calling on Ms Fiona Ryan and Ms Cliona Murphy of Alcohol Action Ireland to make their presentation.

Ms Fiona Ryan

I thank the Seanad Public Consultation Committee for inviting and engaging with us on how we can reduce alcohol-related cancer rates in Ireland. Before speaking about the substantive issues involved, I will tell the committee a little about Alcohol Action Ireland for those who might not be aware of our work.

Alcohol Action Ireland is the national charity which deals with alcohol-related issues. We work to raise awareness of alcohol-related harm and the solutions needed to tackle it, which are based on World Health Organization recommendations. Ours is a public health focus, which means delivering maximum benefits for the population to benefit individuals, families and communities. To this end, we run www.alcoholireland.ie, a website source of independent information on alcohol-related harm, and drinkhelp.ie, for people seeking help in dealing with their own or a loved one’s drinking. We also brought together 18 charities and non-governmental organisations, NGOs, to campaign for minimum pricing for alcohol. Minimum pricing is one of our key campaign focuses and also reflects the World Health Organization recommendation for tackling pricing to reduce alcohol consumption. The charities we have brought together to support this campaign include Barnardos, the Faculty of Public Health Medicine, the Royal College of Physicians in Ireland, Focus Ireland, Rape Crisis Network Ireland, the Society of St. Vincent De Paul, the Irish Cancer Society, the Irish Heart Foundation, the Irish Medical Organisation, the Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, ISPCC, the National Youth Council of Ireland, the No Name Club, Alcohol Forum and the Irish Association of Suicidology.

Alcohol is a licensed product in Ireland owing to its harmful properties. It is a drug with toxic and intoxicating effects. It is also a drug of dependence for many. We are aware of the contribution it makes to the economy and how it enhances social settings and culture. Fundamentally, however, we must be aware of the fact that it is a toxic drug. A prevalent view is that it is only harmful to the heavy drinker or alcoholic. That is simply not true and the statistics and evidence do not support it. The fact is that a drinker does not need to be dependent on alcohol for it to cause harm. Over one half of all Irish drinkers reported a harmful pattern of drinking in the most recent SLAN survey. In addition, many Irish drinkers drink heavily. Ireland topped the EU polls for binge drinking in 2010, with 44% of Irish people saying they drank heavily at least once a week compared to a European average of 29%.

In 2011 the average Irish drinker consumed the equivalent of 56 bottles of vodka. The recent European Schools Project for Alcohol and other Drugs, ESPAD, report showed that Irish teenagers copy their elders. While their drinking is on a par with their Europeans peers or marginally less, when they do drink they drink more than their European peers suggesting that from an early age we have a problem with binge drinking.

While we understand the committee is particularly interested in hearing our recommendations regarding labelling - which we included in our original submission - and a national social marketing campaign on alcohol and cancer, it would be remiss of us not to repeat the basic message from the World Health Organization which is, if a government wants to reduce alcohol related harm including preventable cancers, then alcohol consumption across the population also needs to be reduced as part of a wider preventive initiative.

It is evident that if we are to reduce the levels of cancer in Ireland, we need to take action to reduce overall alcohol consumption. For these reasons Alcohol Action Ireland recommend the Seanad Public Consultation Committee would consider the following four recommendations. First, to introduce a minimum floor price for alcohol. To that end we have circulated a one page document on getting the facts right on minimum pricing, which I understand is available to all members of the consultation committee. Second, we ask that section 9 - which allows for alcohol to be separated from groceries - of the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2008 be commenced. This is to mark the denormalisation of alcohol.

Ms Fiona Ryan

I see Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell who is familiar with marketing and communications. She is aware of the fact that placing a product next to another product, effectively adds to its position of normalisation. In our supermarkets, wine is placed next to nappies and pizza, and effectively we are normalising alcohol as part of our everyday family shopping experience. Our view is that alcohol, with all due respect to the contribution it makes to our cultural and social life, is not an ordinary grocery or commodity, it is a drug and that is the reason we license it. Instead, effectively it is a free for all in the supermarket. Section 9 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2008 needs to be introduced and wine which is currently excluded from the provisions of section 9 should be included as we see no reason for a special exemption for wine and not for other forms of alcohol.

Ms Fiona Ryan

Third, we specifically recommend the Government launches a campaign to provide citizens with information on alcohol use and cancer, and the causal relationship between alcohol and particular cancers. Fourth, we also recommend introducing legislation so that all packaged alcohol will have a warning label. The label should have printed warnings on threats to health in general but also a warning on the link between alcohol and cancer, and information on calories. Alcohol is a high calorie commodity. It is also a contributing factor to obesity. The preventable causes of cancer relating to lifestyle include obesity, weight and alcohol. It would be important tactically to implement this measure. We would not expect this measure to revolutionise people's behaviour but as part of a package of overall measures, it would be useful.

Members will have heard this morning from other organisations the basic facts around alcohol and cancer. I am reluctant to repeat them but it is worthwhile to restate what we are talking about. Alcohol consumption is causally related to a number of cancers; these are cancers of the mouth, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, liver, colon and female breast. According to the World Health Organization, alcohol is a factor in more than 60 diseases and conditions. It is the third most significant risk factor for premature death and ill health in the EU, after tobacco and high blood pressure. Of alcohol's disease burden, 57% comes from three major categories of non-communicable diseases, NCDs, cancers, cardiovascular disease and liver disease. Reducing levels of alcohol consumption will lead to an attendant decrease in the disease burden in these three categories. One in five of all alcohol-related deaths is due to cancer. The interaction of genes and lifestyle choices make up an individual's risk of cancer. Choices about how much we drink, in other words what is preventable, could have a massive contributing effect to reducing our cancer rates. Last year, the British Medical Journal published research demonstrating that alcohol causes one in ten of all cancer cases in men and one in 33 in womenFor selected cancers, the figures for men and women respectively were quite startling: 44% and 25% for cancer of the upper aerodigestive tract; 33% and 18% for liver cancer; 17% and 4% for colorectal cancer; and 5% for female breast cancer. If people were not aware of these statistics they will find the figures quite startling. The BMJ research concludes by stating:

A considerable proportion of the most common and lethal cancers is attributable to former and current alcohol consumption in the selected European countries, especially to consumption above the recommended upper limit. This strongly underlines the necessity to continue and to increase efforts to reduce alcohol consumption in Europe both on the individual and the population level.

If one is serious about wanting to reduce cancer rates and prevent the rise of cancer rates in Ireland, one must tackle alcohol consumption. Our consumption level must be reduced.

In Ireland cancer of the liver has had the highest rate of increase of all cancer types between 1994 and 2003, increasing by 10.7% for females and 7.4% for males, compared to an increase for all cancers of 1.1% for females and 1.1% for males. I do not think it is a coincidence that this period reflects the massive rise in alcohol consumption level which peaked in early 2000, when Irish people were drinking more than 14 litres of pure alcohol a year.

Three people in Ireland die from oral and pharyngeal cancer, OPC, every week which is more than those who die from skin melanoma, Hodgkin's lymphoma or cervical cancer. Despite this, the disease remains largely unknown. It is also largely preventable as the two major risk factors for OPC are tobacco and alcohol consumption.

One of the issues we wish to bring to members' attention today is the awareness of the link between alcohol and cancer risks. While the Government can institute prevention-focused policies around reducing alcohol consumption as reflected in the National Substance Misuse Strategy report such as tackling pricing and availability, the other side of equation is making people aware of the cancer risks associated with alcohol. A number of surveys conducted in the past ten years show that we have a low awareness of the link between alcohol and cancer.

Ms Ryan has about one minute remaining.

Ms Fiona Ryan

A recent study carried out by University College Cork, Breakthrough Cancer and the Irish Cancer Society found that only 42% of the public are aware that alcohol is a risk factor for cancer; 63% are misinformed that some alcoholic drinks are more dangerous than others with only 37% conscious that all types of alcohol have the same effect; and 39% are misinformed that alcohol is protective in relation to cancer.

We recommend the Government considers labelling, with the label containing a warning message that would outline the link between alcohol and cancer risks as well as calories and would also consider a national campaign on alcohol and cancer. We ask the Government to consider a social marketing campaign as opposed to what has been a traditionally top down public awareness campaign. A social marketing campaign utilised the commercial marketing mix effectively to achieve sustainable behaviour change. If this campaign is allied with policies that tackle pricing and availability this will give greater sustainability to initiatives such as public awareness campaign.

Our next speaker is Dr. Muireann Cullen manager of the Nutrition and Health Foundation. Dr. Cullen has ten minutes to make her presentation.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

I thank the Chair and members of the Seanad Public Consultation Committee for giving the Nutrition and Health Foundation, NHF, the opportunity to make a presentation today. I will begin by introducing myself and the Nutrition and Health Foundation. I am Dr. Muireann Cullen, NHF manager, and I am also a dietitian. Members will have heard from my colleagues earlier.

The Nutrition and Health Foundation was established in 2005 bringing together Government, scientists, academics, physical activity and health care professionals and relevant stakeholders to address jointly the health challenges of the nation. This multi-stakeholder body provides consumers with evidence based information on nutrition and physical activity to help enable them to make informed healthy choices. To date more than €2 million has been invested voluntarily in this organisation by a number of food and beverage companies. While the funding may come from the industry, the NHF takes direction from its council which has representation from industry and non-industry members. For example, some of the organisations that are presenting today, as well as Professor Donal O'Shea from St. Columcille's Hospital, Loughlinstown, Professor Pat Wall, UCD, and many others. By having a mix of multi-stakeholder organisations a new idea was put in place. At the time no other country in Europe had such an organisation that focussed on obesity and health. There is now a European network of these foundations which is fantastic.

The consumer is the principal concern of the NHF's mission. The NHF promotes a balance between physical activity and good nutrition which is essential to the maintenance of a healthy lifestyle. All relevant stakeholders must work in partnership to promote this message in order to make a real difference to Irish society. Our objectives, as can been seen from the presentation, are through a variety of different streams, consumer understanding, communication, working with Government and non-Government, and the further development of the NHF.

As the committee will already know and heard today Ireland is in the grip of an obesity epidemic with over two-thirds of adults either overweight or obese and one in five teenagers and children overweight or obese. The key to a healthy weight is a balance between energy in and energy out and it is currently out of kilter. Research has shown that in the past 60 years there has been a reduction of 26% in calories and 14% reduction in fat intakes. However, obesity levels are still rising due, in part, to the significant reduction in the level of physical activity with over one fifth of Irish adults reporting that they do not take any physical activity. Despite the reductions in fat and calories intake there remains a major problem regarding educating people about the amount of calories, fat and sugar that is good for them. The startling increase in obesity, despite the reductions, shows that the problem is multifaceted. As the members can see from the presentation, I have given a few examples. There is no single cause for obesity and no single solution but we all need to work together on the problem. Lifestyle and physical activity levels require a major change and it is about energy in and energy out.

This obesity epidemic has huge economic concerns for today and the future. It is important that all stakeholders work together in joined-up thinking and other organisations that have made presentations discussed it as well. The affects of obesity are far-reaching and it is associated with chronic diseases and also has an economic and social impact. The only way forward to successfully combat it is for each sector to support and work together on it.

At present there is a public consultation entitled Your Health is Your Wealth - a Policy Framework for a Healthier Ireland 2012-20. The new policy, once published, will set out the Government's long-term vision for the health and wellbeing of the population. It is laudable to want better health for all but the key elements can be found in the HSE Health Status of the Population 2008 report. It stated:

A population health approach which focuses on the health of the whole population, while recognising the role of individuals and communities, is necessary to achieve the best health outcomes. A number of risk factors need to be tackled as a priority which include elevated blood pressure, tobacco use, inappropriate use of alcohol, high cholesterol, overweight and obesity, low fruit and vegetable intake and low physical activity.

The committee's invitation asked me to focus on specific areas such as pregnant women and children. Before I do that I shall outline the importance of the multi-stakeholder approach in health promotion activities to enable a joined-up thinking approach. It means that sectors support and align health promotion work and messages in order to have a greater reach and the public are supported in their decisions to improve their health behaviours. We estimate that approximately 11,000 Irish cancer cases and approximately 1,300 cancer deaths could be prevented through a healthy diet, physical activity and a healthy weight. Other organisations have also outlined the statistics on cancer and that obesity is a key risk factor for developing cancer. Now is the time for continued leadership in order for there to be cohesive and effective national strategies to tackle obesity with a focus on physical activity and the pre-natal, pre-school and parental approaches which will result in time in a cultural change and physical activity will become the norm just like brushing one's teeth. Increasing evidence exists that prenatal and early childhood events can have a significant impact on an individual's health throughout life and the relationship of how a maternal diet influences the health outcomes of an offspring far into their adult years.

We all know and are aware that we are going through unprecedented economic challenges but combatting obesity now will cost very little in comparison to what will be required in the future. In 2005 the national task force on obesity reported that 58% of type 2 diabetes, 21% of heart disease and between 8% to 42% of cancers were directly attributable to excess body weight.

Cancer is one of the leading causes of death in Ireland. Although diagnosis and treatment of cancer has substantial cost implications there has been relatively little research on the topic here. Professor Anthony Staines and his team have estimated that the cost for the lifetime treatment of colorectal cancer could be just under €50,000 per person. Approximately 1,900 cases are diagnosed annually it works out at €9.5 million in fiscal terms, not to mention the costs in human terms. Colorectal, among other cancers and chronic diseases, are linked to obesity. As things stand we are storing up health problems for the future. We are sitting on a medical timebomb if we do not address the problem of obesity so it is key that it remains on the political agenda.

With regard to prioritisation, we have focussed on pregnant women and children. As mentioned earlier, more research is coming to the fore on the foetal origins of disease. We know from recent work by Professor Fionnuala McAuliffe and her team at Holles Street that pregnant women are deficient in a number of nutrients such as calcium, iron, folate and vitamin D. We are all well aware of the importance of taking folic acid 12 weeks prior to pregnancy and for the first 12 weeks of pregnancy in order to prevent neural tube defects such as spina bifida. Professor McAuliffe and her team found that while 78% of women planned their pregnancies, 35% did not take folic acid. That means that nearly half of them did not take folic acid. A deficiency in vitamin D can affect foetal bone growth and the regulation of blood sugar and hormones. So what mum does before, during and post-pregnancy has an impact on the future health of her infant.

The first 1,000 days between a woman's pregnancy and her child's second birthday offer a unique window of opportunity to shape healthier futures. By focusing on improving nutrition for mothers and children in the 1,000 day window we can help ensure that a child can live a healthy and productive life. Not only are there dietary concerns with regards to a mum's diet and future health of the infant, we also know that appropriate infant feeding practices play a crucial part in achieving optimal health outcomes. Breastfeeding was discussed earlier but I shall summarise. It is a superior infant feeding method from birth with research consistently demonstrating its short-term and long-term health benefits for mother and child. Irish breastfeeding rates have remained strikingly low in comparison with international data and there has been little improvement in breastfeeding duration rates. In a 2008 study by Tarrant, 47% of mums initiated breastfeeding but at six weeks only 24% still did. Almost 25% of this group offered any breast milk at all. According to the study's findings there is still a cultural barrier towards breastfeeding. Clearly a shift towards a more positive and accepting breastfeeding culture is required if national breastfeeding rates are to improve.

Optimal weaning practices also have significant implications for infant health, notably in relation to normal development, mineral balance and the development of obesity. The World Health Organization recommends exclusive breastfeeding and delaying the introduction of solid foods to an infant's diet until six months. Recently Tarrant found that almost 25% of infants were prematurely weaned onto solids at 12 weeks or less based on the mother's belief system and on the advice that they received from their mother. Mothers who weaned their infants at 12 weeks or earlier were more likely to engage in other sub-optimal weaning practices including the addition of non-recommended condiments to their infant's foods such as ordinary gravy, butter, salt, sugar and honey. Also a higher proportion of snacks rich in refined sugar and salt, including chocolates, biscuits and crisps were being given to infants, compared to fruit and vegetables, more than four times a week. This was in addition to their normal meals and their full formula volumes as well.

Normally as soon as a behaviour becomes automatic the decision-making part of the brain goes into a sleep mode of sorts. We work from habit and we all do it. Companies can figure out how to get consumers to change their habits and form new ones associated with a company's products or stores. Pregnancy is a time when a mother or parents are more open to messaging. So my question is why can we not apply the same strategy to newly pregnant mums. We should engage them in the health process for them and their baby, regarding nutrition and physical activity, not only while in the womb but following birth at all significant stages such as breastfeeding and weaning. We need a structured support system in place that helps mums through the different life stages of their babies to ensure that they can have the healthiest start possible.

When a woman thinks that she is pregnant her first step is to visit her GP who will confirm her pregnancy, estimate the date of birth and discuss her plans for antenatal care. The GP and his or her primary care team should be the first source of information for a mum-to-be. There is a huge opportunity here that needs to be grasped. Toolkits for a mum-to-be to follow and record all tests and results, food and exercise diaries, advice regarding diet, healthy weight gain and exercise, should be developed and made available to help a mum through her pregnancy, particularly if it is her first pregnancy. It would ensure that we reach them at an early stage.

I shall move on from discussing the life cycle to children. We are all aware from recent studies that 25% of three year olds are either overweight or obese and the level of activity has reduced considerably.

Our children are brought up to wash their teeth on a daily or twice daily basis - this is just normal behaviour. How can we make healthy eating and physical activity normalised? Recent data from our colleagues in safefood show that whilst many consumers understand what healthy eating is and the longer term benefits, they also identified many barriers to it such as time, food preferences, cost, lack of willpower and perceived difficulty in making changes. On a day-to-day basis, health is not a main concern. With over consumption and lack of activity being the norm, how can we expect children to learn anything different? Parents are the most important people in their children’s early lives.

There are a number of initiatives that are available but on a voluntary uptake basis such as healthy eating guidelines for pre-schools, primary schools and secondary schools. These should be made compulsory and monitored to ensure they are being implemented correctly. Recent analysis of the school day diet of Irish children has shown that the school lunch children bring with them each day is nutrient poor; lunch-box food contributing relatively more to sugar, salt and less to protein, dietary fibre, vitamin and mineral intakes than food eaten during the rest of the day.

The school environment is where the greater proportion of children spend the majority of their days. We have an opportunity for positive influence. We can engage people more with healthy life initiatives in schools such as food dudes, incredible edibles, green school, after school flags, all of which are on a voluntary uptake basis. Also we need to support pre-schools, primary and secondary schools to develop health promotion initiatives in which home economics and physical education are valued and physical activity opportunities are maximised in the school day not just nutrition and healthy eating.

The report of the intersectoral group on the implementation of the recommendations of the national task force on obesity identified home economics as a key school subject which develops skills in basic food preparation and budgeting. Home economics has an effective role to play in the development of good food eating practices among children. It is timely for policymakers to ensure home economics to junior certificate level is mandatory.

It must be noted that social, personal and health education is on the curriculum until the third year of secondary school, but why not up to the senior cycle in secondary schools? The same could be said for a number of schools in respect of physical education in the senior cycle. Students need to eat healthily and engage in physical activity in order to study and attain good examination results. The allotted time in primary schools for social, personal and health education is specifically 30 minutes per week and in secondary schools one hour per week.

It is important to acknowledge there are many other influences that play a role in the prevention and management of overweight and obesity in Ireland including Government Departments, education, the food and beverage industry, sectors with responsibility for the physical environment and social and community sectors. A co-ordinated approach across all these sectors is required.

The next contribution is from safefood. I welcome Ms Fiona Gilligan, director of communications, and Mr. Martin Higgins, chief executive, who is leading.

Mr. Martin Higgins

I have many statistics but as Dr. Muireann Cullen has given them I do not propose to go back over them. There are a couple of issues that struck me when we started to examine obesity. I am a grandfather. The shocking fact is that 14 year old boys are three stone heavier than their grandparents were at the same age. I have here a small bag that weighs one stone. The average 14 year old boy is carrying three of those compared with what his grandfather carried at the same age. Dr. Muireann Cullen said that one in four children in primary school is overweight or obese. To put that in context, that is the equivalent of filling Croke Park and the Aviva Stadium with overweight children. That gives an idea of the number of children who are overweight or obese.

The role that diet plays in cancer has been mentioned. Some 40% of all cancers are linked to diet. We are largely unaware of the problem because it has become invisible. Car seats are larger and hospital beds are larger. I challenge people to look at a photograph taken in O'Connell Street or Patrick Street in Cork 30 or 40 years ago and a photograph taken today and examine the difference in body shape of people. We have become immune to it because it is an environmental issue.

safefood is a North-South body, set up under the Good Friday Agreement, funded by the Departments of health to promote food safety and healthy eating. We have been active in this area. I invite my colleague, Ms Fiona Gilligan, to outline what we have been doing and the challenges that remain.

Ms Fiona Gilligan

As Mr. Martin Higgins said we are the only dedicated public health body tackling the problem of obesity on the island on a North-South basis delivering the mass communication social marketing campaigns to change attitudes and behaviours. As we work simultaneous North and South, this allows us to benefit from greater substantial budget savings, better knowledge sharing and also valuable partnerships. Our work in this area is in line with the Department of Health obesity task force recommendations and also fit futures. We are part of the obesity group set up by the Minister.

Our strategy has been to tackle obesity in the adult population first and to follow this with a childhood campaign. One might say that a public awareness campaign cannot address the issue. Certainly, traditional approaches to tackling overweight tended to focus on promoting better diet and exercise choices. The logic was that, if people only knew that eating less and exercising more would help them lose weight, they would do it. Clearly, successive campaigns have failed to motivate people and the majority of the population has not lost the weight. The problem was not a lack of information but a lack of engagement. Most people simply did not consider the information was intended for them. As Mr. Martin Higgins said, overweight was normalised.

In safefood we decided to address the problem head-on. We developed a campaign to make people rethink their attitudes towards weight, to make people realise that overweight is not a benign condition that affects somebody else but it is a serious condition that probably affects you - we moved it from a cosmetic issue to a health issue.

We called the campaign "Stop the Spread". It was brave. We informed people that excess weight has become the norm rather than the exception, that it is an epidemic.

Ms Fioan Gilligan

That is right. Brave used a very simple reference based on World Health Organization statistics that if one's waist is more than 32 inches for a woman and 37 inches for a man, one is overweight and puts one at risk of higher risk of many conditions including cancer. It had a simple call to action which was to measure one's waist and find out if one was overweight. Some 1.4 million measuring tapes were distributed to consumers during the campaign.

The campaign was launched by the Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Róisín Shortall, in May 2011, September 2011 and January 2012. One may ask if it had an affect. Yes, it generated an immediate and forceful reaction. Some were offended, some were outraged. However, most were intrigued and captivated by the dramatic repositioning of overweight as an old issue. Post campaign research conducted by Millward Brown Lansdowne demonstrates that it exceeded all its targets on all its objectives. Some 90% of people now recognise that overweight is generally a population-wide problem. More adults recognise that they may be overweight. It is critical that people are recognising the problem for themselves. Some 80% of adults said it contained new information about the link between overweight and cancer. One in five, approximately 1 million people, measured their waist during the campaign. Some 40% said the campaign motivated them to lose weight.

Overweight is firmly established as a public health issue. It is fair to say that our campaign was instrumental in creating and maintaining this momentum. We believe that safefood is in a strong position to deliver such campaigns due to its unique position as an all-island agency in tackling the problem. However, it does not stop there.

The momentum created by the campaign is needed to tackle the childhood problem. Mr. Martin Higgins and Dr. Muireann Cullen mentioned that one in four children is overweight or obese. Children who are overweight or obese are likely to remain so through to adulthood. The evidence shows that a girl less than eight years old who is overweight has a one in three times risk of continuing to be overweight into adulthood. If she continues to carry that weight through to 14 years of age she has a one in two risk of being overweight and obese. That brings with it all the morbidity and mortality already mentioned.

Given the increased birth rate, the likelihood is that cancers will develop at an earlier age due to the successive weight gain at an early age. We have started the planning process for a campaign for children in conjunction with the Health Service Executive and the Department of Health. It is critical that there is a joined up approach in this campaign and that the general practitioners, schools and practice nurses work together to address the problem and also how to speak to parents about it. There is no denying this will be a task that is quite hard to crack from a communications perspective. We know that parents do not recognise their children are carrying weight. Some 80% of parents with overweight children say their children are fine for their age and height. We must be careful not to demonise parents or blame them. We must help them with their struggle in an environment that continues to perpetuate the problem.

Members probably read about a new product, an addition to the menu of a renowned international fast-food company, an ice cream sundae with bacon toppings. I refer also to vending machines that can make pizza from scratch in two and a half minutes. It used to be in our National Aquatic Centre. Temptations are all around parents and children. The family will be the focus of this campaign and parents are role models for their children. Our research shows that parents recognise they have a role in this. Research carried out by Millward Brown Lansdowne asked who is responsible for the obesity crisis. Some 64% of the sample said it was parents, which is a good starting point. People are realising that parents must play a role in this. Fast-food outlets and the industry in other guises came much lower down in the ranking at 38%. Members will be glad to hear that the Government was not blamed, with only 4% citing the Government as responsible.

The safefood organisation is ready to play a role in this and it is vital that funding continues. I would also like to mention another item of strong communications with which we were delighted to work over the past two years. We spotted an opportunity to get involved with “Operation Transformation” two years ago and, since then, we have worked with the programme makers in the development of the roll-out of the series. We did an allied weight loss campaign with a number of Oireachtas Members. The show has been a phenomenal success and has been applauded around the world. Last week, at a behaviour conference, Professor Jeff French, one of the leading behavioural scientists, mentioned the show as something that is working very well. We are not entirely sure what it is that works. It may be the mix that is helping people at an individual level and at community level to be engaged, to get motivated and to lose weight. We sponsored the RTE webpage and present information on it and it is the most successful webpage of all time. It has had more than 4 million visitors, compared with more than 400,000 for “The Voice of Ireland”. This year we sponsored an app that people can use to track the progress of the leaders. Some 20,000 people signed up for the app on the first night and 40,000 people signed up and used it for eight weeks. We assessed the reaction to it, which is that people want it again and want it all year round. Some 50,000 people are engaged on the Facebook page and we continue to run the page even while the campaign is not live.

Many communities across the island started weight loss groups, which have continued. It is phenomenal to see people out running where they would normally meet in the pub. That has died. They might also have met in church but that has died. Now they are meeting going out running and something phenomenal is happening. The work in this medium needs to continue and we would like to add a feature about childhood obesity to the programme next year. In 2013 we hope to launch the campaign for childhood obesity with the "Operation Transformation" programme.

I want to conclude by talking about the point Mr. Martin Higgins missed. The children currently in school and overweight, one in four, would fill Croke Park and the Aviva Stadium. I would like members to consider that the next time they look at the stadiums. They should imagine the children spilling out onto the pitch. We must stop and reverse this problem. Children are great imitators so let us give them something great to imitate.

We will now have questions from Members. I ask for questions rather than long statements. I do not need to point this out to Senator Cummins, who is a good advocate of what a question means.

I am always very brief. I thank the witnesses for making these excellent presentations, which is a very valuable exercise. In a way similar to how we use labelling with smoking, how effective will it be if we include on a label the danger in using alcohol? Senator O'Donnell referred to the types of cancer associated with alcohol. Many of us thought that liver cancer is the main one, and it probably is, but there are others of which people are not aware. Is there a need for a media campaign in order to highlight other types of cancers resulting from too much alcohol?

The "energy in, energy out" theme of the Nutrition and Health Foundation is very good. Despite the lower intake of calories and fat, we have an increasing problem with obesity. Is that due to physical activity as well as the foodstuffs we eat? Mr. Martin Higgins referred to statistics about our grandfathers being three stone lighter than today's 14 year olds, which is a damning statistic.

I thank the witnesses for their excellent presentations. Does Ms Fiona Ryan of Alcohol Action Ireland see any benefit from the relatively recent legislative change to create separate retail areas for alcohol sale, particularly in small retailers? Is this the kind of change we should implement on a wider level?

I am interested in breastfeeding rates. We heard evidence from Dr. Kate Allen about an example of strategies in Brazil, where significant increases in levels of breastfeeding followed public policy initiatives such as increasing the length of paid maternity leave, the promotion of breastfeeding and increasing facilities for expressing and storing milk. What strategy is most effective in Ireland to address our appalling rates of breastfeeding? I am interested in the maternity leave idea but I do not see it as the determinative factor, given that it is at the EU standard. We may need to look at other strategies.

The other point for Dr. Cullen to address concerns mandatory home economics at junior certificate. Is that the most effective measure or would it be better to incorporate the nutrition and health elements of home economics into a broader programme of civic education? I am sure it is taught differently now to when I did the inter certificate, as it then was, but much of what was included was extraneous to the healthy lifestyle issue.

I compliment the witnesses from safefood on the success of many of the programmes described. Is there too much emphasis on weight loss, which may promote an obsession with weight loss rather than healthy eating? I refer to the growth of eating disorders, particularly among young girls. Is there a different way of tailoring the message to ensure people see it as a positive message about healthy eating rather than a message about constantly reducing food intake and reducing weight?

Ms Fiona Ryan

I thank the committee for giving us this opportunity. Senator Cummins's questions were very valid and I will be equally frank. Labelling, by itself, will not have any impact and to be effective it must be part of an overall package of denormalisation measures. At the moment, the primary educator of children with respect to alcohol is not the parents or the State but the alcohol industry. The industry markets alcohol through images of glamour and the use of humour and music. Children watch its marketing campaigns on Facebook, television and so forth. Alcohol Awareness Ireland is trying to achieve a balance and while this will not be done through one tiny label, it is part of an overall package, including the implementation of section 9 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act, that aims to denormalise the images of alcohol seen by children. This ties in with Senator Bacik's questions. Alcohol Action Ireland and other public health charities believe the responsible retailing of alcohol in Ireland voluntary codes are not working. While I appreciate some of the difficulties facing smaller, independent and family-owned businesses, alcohol is still being sold like a regular grocery product in the large supermarket chains. Consequently, the denormalisation measures we advocate must go hand in hand with policy changes. Labelling is only one measure and will not be sufficient on its own.

On cancer, an issue to which Senator Cummins alluded, I must be honest and share some personal information that I am a little embarrassed to admit. When I started this job four years ago I was not aware of the link between alcohol and cancer. My colleague, Ms Cliona Murphy, who is our policy officer, informed me that alcohol is responsible for 5% of breast cancers and is the second major contributing cause of cancer. I asked her to check if this was the case because I could not believe it was correct. While I was aware of genetic risks of cancer, I had no idea there was a link between breast cancer and alcohol. In the United Kingdom, the National Health Service carried out a major campaign on the risk of breast cancer alcohol poses to women. It is important to realise that women, who are being targeted for alcohol marketing by the alcohol industry, are at particular risk of a specific cancer arising from alcohol consumption. There is, therefore, scope to have campaigns aimed at women which highlight the link between alcohol and breast cancer.

To add to the comments made by Ms Gilligan, the old, traditional style, top-down campaigns are not the best approach. The highly innovative social marketing campaigns to which she referred should be used in respect of the alcohol industry.

On another of Senator Bacik's questions, we are waiting on the Minister for Justice and Equality to make a decision on whether to commence section 9 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act. Alcohol Action Ireland's view is that it must be implemented to denormalise the sale of alcohol as a grocery. This can be done in a cost-effective manner. While it has been presented as a Rolls Royce option which will generate a high cost for independent retail outlets, a more economical or "small car" option is also available.

Dr. Muireann Cullen

To respond to Senator Cummins's question on physical activity, the energy in, energy out concept is important and physical activity has a role to play. Of itself, however, the energy in, energy out approach does not provide a solution. As Senators have heard, this is a highly complex issue. We lead much less active lifestyles than in the past. For example, people drive and sit around much more and have domestic appliances such as dishwashers which mean we are less physically active in our daily lives. I am not referring to going out for a run or taking part in other physical exercise but the need to be more active and normalise greater activity. As was noted, children need at least 60 minutes and adults at least 30 minutes of physical activity per day.

People may believe that they can consume more of a product if it is labelled as low in fat or sugar content. In some senses, this negates the effect of whatever nutritional benefits the product may have from a calorie perspective. Research from the Irish Universities Nutrition Alliance has shown that portion size is a major issue. The problem, therefore, is less the types of foods people consume but the amount they consume. Frequency of consumption and how one cooks food are also issue. The factors I have cited all relate to "energy in". I am being brief because I am conscious of the time but I would be pleased to further discuss these issues with Senators.

On breastfeeding rates and strategies, I would support any decision to extend maternity leave. Scandinavian countries, where maternity leave lasts for 11 months or more, have phenomenal breastfeeding rates of approximately 99%. Ireland needs more lactation consultants of whom there are too few on the ground. Women who are having problems with breastfeeding cannot ask questions of their mothers because we do not have a history of breastfeeding in this country. We must ensure breastfeeding is normalised. This can be achieved through media campaigns and ambassadors who breastfeed their children in public. Attitudes are changing slowly but surely, although people still tend to turn away - some will nearly bless themselves - when they see a woman breastfeeding in public. We must persuade mothers that breastfeeding is a choice which has health benefits for them and their children.

Reference was made to the issue of making home economics mandatory up to junior certificate level and having a broader programme, including nutrition and civic education. Nutrition is only a small part of the social, personal and health education, SPHE, curriculum, which does not address cooking skills. We know that when students leave home for the first time to attend college, good dietary practices from home go out the window, alcohol consumption increases and they are not able to cook for themselves. Home economics has a role to play because it involves cooking. However, it may be necessary to adapt it to focus on nutrition and cooking. Being able to cook is important in ensuring good nutrition.

We need to speed up proceedings as some of those who wish to contribute are likely to be disappointed. Questions and answers should be concise because we must conclude.

I congratulate our guests, especially Ms Ryan on her extraordinary contribution on alcohol. As I noted this morning, when one thinks of cancer the cancer gene that our mothers may carry is what comes to mind and one never considers that breast cancer is related to alcohol. A campaign on this issue is urgently required.

Ms Ryan argued for the introduction of four measures, including the introduction of a floor price for alcohol, the commencement of section 9 the Liquor Licensing Act and action on citizens information. Was the fourth measure connected to labelling or the launch of a national campaign?

I apologise for my absence for several contributions. I support making home economics a compulsory subject. As I have noted on previous occasions, St. Angela's College in Sligo is keen to promote this area. Has this possibility been discussed with the Department of Education and Skills? Arising from "Operation Transformation" and the use of market research, which I welcome, is it possible to launch a novel marketing exercise featuring champions, that is, people with whom members of the public identify? Would such an approach help?

Mr. Martin Higgins

On home economics, a whole-school approach is needed where the issue is not treated as a single subject but permeates the curriculum. A teacher colleague of mine, responding to the lack of time available for physical activity and a decline in the standard of oral Irish in his school, arranged play time through Irish. This is the type of lateral thinking that is required.

On St. Angela's College in Sligo, which is keen to promote home economics, this year safefood was involved in an all-Ireland inter-schools competition which received more than 1,000 entries. Celebrity chefs and others acted as champions for the competition but the real champions are the ordinary people who took part in “Operation Transformation”. The breakthrough was made by ordinary people who want to get on with their lives and have a better life. That is the key and they are the types of champions we need.

Ms Fiona Gilligan

On something Senator Bacik raised, two thirds of the population are overweight and less than 1% suffer from eating disorders. It certainly has been something we considered in our approach to how we developed communications around the campaign and parsed the language to ensure we give out the correct language. Given that statistic, the weight loss is the piece that needs to be focused on first. I suppose the traditional campaigns have looked at healthy eating, but people are not engaging with it and we must do that weight loss piece first.

Ms Fiona Ryan

In answer to Senator O'Donnell, the recommendations on alcohol and cancer that we made for this public consultation committee were as stated. There was minimum pricing and the denormalisation of alcohol through section 9 - that is on media, but we would extend that overall to marketing. We also spoke about labelling, and then the campaign. The idea is that on one side of the equation there is preventive actions the Government can take and on the other side of the equation are the actions that we can undertake to change individual behaviour.

In terms of the World Health Organization, it is not rocket science. The WHO came out in 2009 with a blueprint which stated what works across 29 jurisdictions. The key issues are tackling pricing, tackling availability and tackling marketing. There is a roadmap. We are on the steering group of the national substance misuse strategy which has set out that roadmap. We would like to see it all implemented since it is designed so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Next to speak are Senators Bradford and Mary Ann O'Brien. I ask them to be conscious of the time.

I thank all this morning's presenters.

I have a brief question to Ms Ryan. While I take on board everything she said, overarching all of our difficulties with alcohol is the simple but uncomfortable fact that we are an alcohol-obsessed nation. How do we address that? Pricing and Ms Ryan's suggestions all will help, but there is a glorification of alcohol which is not shared by any other country. Every function, ceremony and event in Ireland is marked by alcohol in ways that does not happen anywhere else. Regrettably, and I do not want to sound like the Roy Keane of the Seanad, we saw it again this week where we could not win the soccer but were happy to win the pint-drinking contests. Would Ms Ryan agree there is a fundamental problem with attitude and how do we change that?

Ms Fiona Ryan

Frankly, I will not give pat answers because we love cultural answers in Ireland. We love being able to stare at our navels and go on about the dark Celtic soul and how we are so naturally predisposed. If Senator Bradford does not mind me saying it - I think I am covered by privilege here - that is bull. We know what works in other countries because the World Health Organization has covered it. We know that tackling pricing and availability will make a difference to alcohol consumption.

Much of what Senator Bradford was talking about, how the cultural glorification of alcohol has become enmeshed in the fabric of our lives so that it has become part of the normal family shopping, is a deliberate initiative on behalf of the alcohol industry to sell more alcohol. It is their bottom line. The position is that 50% of alcohol sold in Ireland is for domestic use. One will note we have moved it from pubs to home. This is a deliberate marketing initiative.

I agree that we have had a problem with alcohol consumption but, without getting into too much detail, much of the time it was public alcohol consumption. For example, in the 1960s and 1970s, many Irish people drank very little and 20% of us did not drink alcohol at all. It was in the 1990s, where there was the removal of the groceries order and, effectively, a full onslaught of alcohol availability, when alcohol availability increased by 161% where one could buy it in DVD stores and petrol stations, when we started seeing the massive increases in alcohol consumption. If Senator Bradford wants to talk about deglorifying it, he needs to talk, exactly as did his colleague, Senator Healy Eames, about denormalising it by reducing and regulating alcohol marketing in this country.

Returning again to Ms Ryan who is under admiration fire, I would go further. I would agree with her that we need to stop and finish with alcohol advertising. If what I have heard is true, which I know it is, namely, that there is a chance it can give us cancer, it is as serious as the cigarette smoking. Does Ms Ryan feel, as I always do, that it is like walking on eggshells and we need to be very careful when talking about the vintners because we would not want to upset them?

I am in the food business. I cannot understand how a coeliac is supposed to know whether there is wheat in a product. If I buy a bottle of white wine, should the label show the percentage of sugar, the type of grape or whether it contains a sulphate. Why does the alcohol sector not have to show what is in the bottle? They are so fortunate.

A question, please.

I ask them to contact me. I would like to go after alcohol for proper labelling.

On safefood, as everyone here is passionate about this subject, I ask everybody here to go to ted.com and watch Jamie Oliver speaking about America. We always must look at what is happening in America because it is what will probably happen here eventually. The children have diabetes in America. It is about not only obesity and having to go on a diet, but about all of this processed cheap food.

I am so interested in this talk about getting our children back to home economics. It is easy to bake a jacket potato or cook a little broccoli or a few peas. One can make the broccoli look like a tree, make the child laugh and make him or her eat. "Operation Transformation" is brilliant but my little girl who is 12 does not think it is breakfast without orange juice, which is full of sugar.

That is more of a statement than a question.

I am glad about it being an all-island body.

Senator Mary Ann O'Brien is way overtime.

Could we bring Mr. Jamie Oliver in to chat to us?

We have a Jamie Oliver here.

Senator Healy Eames is the last questioner. One need not respond to statements.

I say, "Well done", for being here. I worked in health promotion for five years where one lesson we learned was that lifestyle has a significant impact. To attack those effects, we need to go into the area of public advocacy and legislation. I am the first person to say here that there must be legislation to outlaw alcohol advertising.

I had a personal experience recently. In the past few weeks, my son turned 18. The first thing he wanted from me was his passport to prove that he had turned 18 so that he could go into a pub.

Please, that is a statement.

I want to make this point. It is not only about the home. It is about the entire environment. It is much bigger than the home. Here is a home that would be explaining all the adverse affects, the peer pressure, etc. However, put the culture of advertising that is continuing to normalising it on top of tradition in this country and, as Senator Bradford stated, we are in deep trouble. One who knocks it is often considered a poo-poo.

My question,-----

Senator Healy Eames has an unusual way of asking a question that is unfair for those who are here a long time.

I have an allied one as well. How soon will that legislation be likely to come before us and how effective will we be at getting it through? As we are in government, I accept we have a role.

How accurate is the waist-size test as a future indicator of diabetes? I understand it is an indication of fat accumulating around the organs. I got a major shock recently. We had this test done in Galway where we were promoting health in supermarkets. A very large number of people were overweight.

We are out of time. This is the trouble, there should be concise questions. There is a group waiting and we are ten minutes overtime already. I will allow a brief response because that was a statement rather than a question.

There were two questions.

There was a long statement first.

Ms Fiona Ryan

I will be very brief. Obviously, I am heartened to hear this because often it is an uphill battle to get people to recognise the fact that alcohol marketing normalises alcohol use in society. Marketing is more than merely the advertisements one sees. It is the product placement; it is the price. The marketing mix is: product, price, place and promotion. That is what commercial marketers, when they are marketing a product, think of. It is important that we start positioning ourselves in their place and start thinking like they do.

Ms Fiona Ryan

For example, children on Facebook face an onslaught of alcohol marketing. Senator Healy Eames spoke as a parent. I speak as a parent of a seven year old and a two year old as well, and also as a mother who drinks alcohol, which is the start of one's own conflicted relationship. We have a conflicted relationship with alcohol but it is important that we also set our boundaries. There is a situation whereby those aged 16, and there is a significant number of undocumented aged 13 and under, are getting hit with alcohol advertisements on Facebook. The alcohol industry might say it does not market to anybody under the age of 18 years but if one is marketing to 18 year olds, one is still marketing to 16 and 17 year olds. One is marketing to teenagers and there is a spillover effect. Marketing people will say as much.

In terms of alcohol marketing, there is an example in Europe in the loi Evin which operates in France. It basically states that one can market an alcohol product but one cannot conduct the advertising that goes with it. One can just basically state: “This is the product, a bottle of XYZ.” The French have found a way around it. Why can we not engage and find a way around it? This committee is made up of politicians. There is support from parents for restrictions on alcohol marketing; between 70% and 80% of parents want a 9 p.m. watershed for alcohol advertisements on television. Unfortunately, we are facing a very difficult situation with the transnational advertising one finds on Facebook and other social networking sites. However, just because it is difficult does not mean we should not engage with it. We should not throw up our hands and say there is nothing we can do and it must be solved in Europe because it is digital marketing. That is not good enough. As parents we can do so much. We are the primary educators and the people on whom children will model their behaviour. At the same time, however, there is a huge part of the equation that is out of our hands. It is the external influences to which children are being exposed and over which we have little control, particularly in a digital age.

I recognise what the Senator is saying. We have an opportunity here to regulate marketing. It is in the national substance misuse strategy report, and there is popular support for it. We have the statistics. We got Behaviour & Attitudes to carry out research for us over two years and there is popular support for these measures.

Tá an t-am istigh. We are well over the time limit. This room must be free at 4 p.m. and another group will now suffer because we have gone over time. I will give Ms Gilligan the last comment.

Ms Fiona Gilligan

With regard to the waist size, it is from the World Health Organization piece of research and there is a direct link to the risk of heart disease, diabetes and cancers because of the fat one carries around one's waist, not in other places. It is an indicator, so somebody who is less than 32 inches but not doing any physical activity might also be at risk.

Thank you. As Chairman, I had three questions to ask but I must rule myself out of order.

I must be fair to everybody. There are other groups and I must balance the time limits. I thank Alcohol Action Ireland, the Nutrition and Health Foundation and safefood. It was an excellent presentation. We could stay discussing this for another hour but the time has run out. I do not make the rules and I must comply with the time limits. Without delay, I will invite the other groups to make their presentations. They are short 15 minutes of their allotted time. The other groups are free to stay and listen to the debate if they wish.

Sitting suspended at 3.14 p.m. and resumed at 3.15 p.m.

I welcome the following: the Dr. Helen McAvoy, senior policy officer, and Ms Teresa Lavin, public health development officer, of the Institute of Public Health in Ireland; Dr. Ross Morgan, chairperson, and Dr. Angie Browne of Action on Smoking and Health, ASH, Ireland; and Mr. Eamon O'Kane of the Alcohol Forum. Each group has ten minutes to make its presentation and there will be questions and answers subsequently.

I am obliged to notify witnesses about the rule of privilege. The witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give to this committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence in relation to a particular matter and they continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. They are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and they are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person or persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I am sure this will not apply to the witnesses but I am obliged to so notify them.

I invite Dr. Helen McAvoy to start. She is sharing time with Ms Teresa Lavin.

Dr. Helen McAvoy

I thank the committee for inviting the Institute of Public Health in Ireland to make a presentation on the challenge we face in cancer prevention. The Institute of Public Health in Ireland is an all-island organisation which promotes co-operation for public health across the domains of research, capacity building and policy development. I acknowledge the contributions of previous contributors which show that addressing Ireland's level of overweight and obesity is an important component of preventative cancer control. It is estimated that approximately 30% of our nine year old girls and approximately 22% of our nine year old boys are overweight or obese. My colleague, Teresa Lavin, will make a presentation on active travel as a means to promote physical activity and some of the Government policies relating to this.

In light of this morning's discussions regarding taxation, I can advise the committee that the Department of Health has asked the institute to lead on a health impact assessment of the proposed introduction of a tax on sugar sweetened drinks in Ireland. We were not invited to speak on this today but my colleague will be happy to respond to any questions on that subject following her presentation.

I will talk to the committee about one of the many factors that are now known to influence the food and drink consumed by children, that is, the promotion of foods that are high in fat, salt and sugar through promotions and television advertising. This subject was alluded to by Dr. Kate Allen earlier today. My presentation will focus on the evidence and the recommendations of the World Health Organization on this issue and also the development of regulations to restrict television advertising of foods that are high in fat, salt and sugar in the Irish context.

The World Health Organization conducted a fairly extensive review which concluded that food advertising influences children's food preferences, food requests and ultimately what they eat. This influence extends to both category and brand level awareness and choices. The review also noted that children now have independent spending power as well as influence over household purchasing decisions. The review cites evidence showing that children, and particularly younger children, may lack the ability to make reasoned judgments on the foods that are being advertised to them. The World Health Organisation went on to produce a set of recommendations on the marketing of food and non-alcoholic beverages to children in 2010. The World Cancer Research Fund has emphasised the need for regulation of advertising of certain foods to children in the context of recommendations to limit consumption of energy dense food and drinks.

In the Irish context, the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland has just completed a second phase of consultation on the development of a general and children's commercial communications code. The final code will set out a new set of rules limiting the advertisement of foods that are high in fat, salt or sugar on Irish television channels. The code does not apply to alcohol or to infant formula but, interestingly, during the consultation the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland received a large number of submissions that referred to those two issues. The objectives of the code relate to the public health interests of children and an acknowledgement of the special susceptibility of children in terms of commercial communications. On a technical note, the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland is an independent statutory body. There is parliamentary oversight of the codes it develops and, under section 45 of the legislation, the Houses of the Oireachtas may annul a code by passing a resolution on the subject.

The intention of the new code is to contribute to reducing children's consumption of foods that are high in fat, salt or sugar. The code is intended to act in three ways. First, by reducing the exposure of children to advertisements for foods high in fat, salt or sugar. This is done using scheduling restrictions. Second, by reducing the power of advertisements on a child audience by content restrictions, for example, restricting the use of cartoon or licensed characters from the television. Third, by providing an incentive to food manufacturers to reformulate their products and to lower the level of fat, salt or sugar in order that these products could enjoy unrestricted advertising times.

To inform the development of the code, the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland has produced an analysis of the exposure of children to advertising of foods high in fat, salt or sugar while viewing Irish television channels. This has shown that food advertising was the category on Irish channels most viewed by children aged between four and 17 years. Of all the food advertising seen live by children in the period between 2008 and 2010, advertisements for confectionery products were the third most watched by children. The study showed that the balance of food advertising currently viewed by children does not resemble a healthy, balanced diet.

The Broadcasting Authority of Ireland convened an expert working group comprising the Department of Health, safefood, the Food Safety Authority of Ireland and the Health Service Executive. The group recommended the use of a scientifically validated nutrient profiling model that has been used in the United Kingdom and was developed by the United Kingdom Food Standards Agency. The nutrient profiling model is a tool used to decide whether a food is high in fat, salt or sugar and, therefore, whether the advertising of that food should be subject to scheduling restrictions.

Tackling childhood overweight and obesity is an important action for cancer prevention at population level. The regulation of television advertising of foods high in fat, salt or sugar is one policy tool that can support healthy eating for children and it is evidence based. The commitment of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland to develop a code that regulates the advertising of foods high in fat, salt or sugar on Irish television channels is a welcome development that can bring Ireland in line with the World Health Organization recommendations and we believe it should be supported. Children are interacting with various types of media from a young age, including social media, mobile telephone messaging applications, online marketing and gaming. We should be mindful of this for the future development of the advertising of these foods to children.

Ms Teresa Lavin

I thank the Chairman and Members for the opportunity to speak on the recommendation to appropriately resource policies known to support active travel, including the smarter travel policy and the national cycle policy framework, and to protect them from budgetary cuts. I am especially pleased to speak on this topic today during Bike Week 2012. Our recommendation is based on the premise that supporting lifestyle changes requires action across sectors; it is not the responsibility of the health sector alone. In 2005 we published a report titled Health Impacts of Transport. The report was intended to encourage collaboration between the health and transport sectors by highlighting areas of shared interests. Active travel is a prime example. To support recent developments we produced the publication Active Travel - Healthy Lives last year. The report highlights many health issues related to active travel, including road traffic injuries, noise, mental health and social cohesion. I intend to focus on the two most clearly linked to cancer prevention, that is, increasing physical activity and improving air quality.

Several speakers this morning have cited the National Guidelines on Physical Activity for Ireland. All our surveys show that more than half the population is nowhere near meeting the recommendations for adults to do at least 30 minutes of activity five or more days per week and for children to be active for 60 minutes or more every day. One reason is that we have become accustomed to associating physical activity with something that is done in a particular place at a particular time. Let us consider the number of people who drive to the gym or to the GAA pitch. This goes against all the evidence that shows that the most sustainable way of increasing or maintaining physical activity is to incorporate it into everyday life. In other words one should make the best use of the journey as well as the destination.

The evidence linking physical activity to cancer is well established. We know that physical activity lowers the risk of several types of cancers especially breast cancer and bowel cancer, two of the main types of cancer prevalent in Ireland. Although the level of physical activity has a direct impact on obesity, even a person of normal weight or healthy weight who is inactive is at increased risk of developing cancer because physical activity has other ways of impacting on cancer, including maintaining hormone balance and ensuring better immune system function.

Getting people out of cars and onto bikes and walking will help to improve air quality, especially in the case of short journeys. We know that these contribute more per kilometre to greenhouse gas emissions than longer journeys. Unlike physical activity, which has immediate benefits at an individual level, any significant improvement in air quality will only occur when there is a population shift in mode of travel. The evidence linking air quality to cancer is well established especially for lung cancer. Only last week, the World Health Organization added to this body of knowledge by publishing a new report showing a clear association between exposure to diesel fumes and increased risk of lung and bladder cancer. Several points were made this morning linking smoking and lung cancer but we should also consider the cumulative effects of smoking and exposure to poor air quality.

I refer to the cost of implementing programmes to support active travel. Numerous initiatives, including the Green-Schools programme, the bike scheme and the improvement of bike lanes, have played a valuable role in recent years in getting people to be more active. Naturally, these cost money to set up and run. The good news is that there is a growing body of evidence to show that every euro invested is returned with interest, especially if one takes into account the savings made, as a result of better health, to the health and social care budgets. The World Health Organization has produced the health economic assessment tool which can be used to conduct a cost benefit analysis of interventions that support walking and cycling. It highlights the impact on morbidity and mortality. We hope to apply this to a project in Ireland this year. Smarter travel and the national cycle policy framework are true examples of how collaboration across sectors can be mutually beneficial. In times of stretched resources we have even more reason to support initiatives which meet so many goals. They make economic sense, they improve our physical and social environments and ensure that the healthy choice is the easier and the more enjoyable choice.

Thank you for your prompt submission. Next is the chairperson of ASH Ireland, Dr. Ross Morgan. You have ten minutes to make the presentation. I understand your colleague, Dr. Angie Brown, is willing to wait and answer questions. Would you rather share time with her?

Dr. Ross Morgan

I will speak first. I thank the Chairman and the members of the committee for this opportunity. ASH Ireland is an independent advocacy group with a 20 year record in advocating on various pro-health and anti-tobacco issues in Irish society. We have no agenda other than health. We are a small organisation with a voluntary board constituted of medical, legal, environmental and other individuals who are specifically interested in the pro-health, anti-tobacco issue. We were prominent in building the team of organisations that supported the Government and led to the introduction of the workplace smoking ban, which has been emulated by other countries throughout the world. ASH Ireland is jointly funded by the Irish Cancer Society and the Irish Heart Foundation. My submission will cover five specific issues: a smoking ban on cars transporting children under 16 years; the introduction of a smoking ban in all playgrounds and play areas for children; the introduction of a smoking ban on all educational campuses; a ban on smoking in all sports stadia; and the introduction of plain packaging on all cigarette packets on sale in this jurisdiction by 2017.

We first raised the issue of banning smoking in cars transporting children under 16 years with the former Minister with responsibility for health, Mary Harney, some four years ago and we raised it again with the Minister for Health, Deputy Reilly, following his appointment last year. This is a health initiative with one specific purpose, that is, to protect our children from the harmful effects of passive smoke, defined as a class A carcinogen, the highest level, by the World Health Organization. Well established research justifies the need to protect children from tobacco smoke in cars and elsewhere. This evidence is widely accepted and it emanates from the TobaccoFree Research Institute, as well as research from the USA, Canada, Australia and Scotland. This research also shows that passive smoke is especially harmful to children since they have much higher respiratory rates and a more active metabolism than adults. In 2006 the American Academy of Pediatrics stated that second-hand tobacco smoke exposure is a substantial problem that causes increased rates of pneumonia, ear infections, asthma and other short and long-term paediatric conditions. In 2009 the TobaccoFree Research Institute in Dublin published research estimating that one in seven Irish children are exposed to second-hand smoke while travelling in a motorised vehicle. In March 2010 the Royal College of Physicians in the United Kingdom called for the banning of smoking in all vehicles and in 2011 the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in the United Kingdom called for cars transporting children to be smoke free. Two MRBI polls, one in 2008 and the other in 2011, have shown that 78% and 79% of Irish people, respectively, would support the banning of smoking in cars transporting children.

ASH Ireland has produced a paper on this health initiative which we have forwarded to the Minister for Health and we will leave a copy of this paper with the Seanad Public Consultation Committee today for its members. Included in this document one will find details of developments all around the world, particularly in the United States, Canada and Australia, in introducing legislation. We ask for the assistance of this committee in bringing this proposal into law. There is widespread support for it. Who could argue against it? It is, in our view, a no-brainer. Children simply cannot ask adults to stop smoking and all of us have a responsibility to protect them in this situation.

The next matter is the banning of smoking in all playgrounds and children's play areas. This first was raised by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council and also by Fingal County Council as initiatives to create a healthier environment for young children in their play areas, and both local authorities have since made strides in developing these initiatives. Last year we contacted all the city and county local authorities asking them to make their playgrounds and play areas smoke free and have had since a positive response to our proposal.

One suggestion to the local authorities, based on the initiatives in Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown, is that any local authority can make a decision, erect the necessary signs and make these play areas smoke free. Clare County Council has recently independently introduced such a smoke-free playgrounds policy. We, in ASH Ireland, are impressed with the positive response by local authorities to this proposal and have no doubt that in the coming year many more local authorities will proceed with this initiative.

As national legislators, the committee members can help local authorities by introducing some level of a national directive, or perhaps a change in legislation, that would make it mandatory for all publicly-owned playgrounds and play areas to be smoke free. There are many benefits to this initiative. Apart from the harmful effects of passive smoke, children would play in a cleaner environment as tobacco waste has been established as our main urban waste. In addition, "denormalisation", a term of which the committee has heard much today already, reduces the probability of the commencement of smoking by young people and encourages others to stop.

The next area we should discuss is the banning of smoking in all educational campuses. Under the workplace smoking legislation, it is illegal to smoke in primary and secondary school buildings but due to an anomaly that has emerged in this legislation, it appears that it is not illegal to smoke in the primary and secondary school campuses. It is entirely improper that adults, including teachers and staff, should smoke in front of children in either primary or secondary schools. We are aware from a senior medical expert within the HSE that the banning of smoking in all primary and secondary school campuses is under consideration and we ask this committee to expedite this in any way it can.

In the United States the banning of smoking in all third-level educational campuses has become a major health initiative within the educational sector. Some states, such as Iowa and Arkansas, have supported this initiative with legislation and smoking in campuses within these states is now illegal. Other third-level institutions have independently introduced smoke-free policies. From brief research we have conducted, it appears that close to 300 third-level campuses in the United States are entirely smoke free and an additional 400 have highly-restrictive smoke free policies.

We recently contacted all the third-level institutions and asked them to consider introducing smoke-free campuses based on the United States model and we received an immediate and positive response to this request. Last week we held a seminar in Dublin with representatives of five of these third-level colleges which are independently looking at introducing smoke-free campuses. We have introduced them to a key figure in the hospital campus smoke-free initiative, which is being driven by the HSE. It is a complex area and requires the support of management, academic staff and, particularly, students within these third-level institutions but it would be a very positive signal to all of Irish society if the third-level institutions were smoke free. This initiative would contribute to the overall concept of a green and healthy environment within the third-level sector and, as we did in the workplace smoking ban, we could set the trend for the rest of Europe with this initiative. I would ask the committee to look at ways of supporting the third-level institutions in progressing with this initiative.

This brings me to the smoking in sports stadia. Many committee members may be aware that Euro 2012 is the first major soccer competition to have a smoke-free stadia policy. By all accounts, there is good compliance with that. In Ireland, the Aviva Stadium is smoke free. Croke Park is smoke free within the stands, but smoking is allowed around the back and in transit areas, etc. ASH Ireland has contacted the IRFU, the FAI and the GAA asking that they make their sports stadia, national, regional and local, smoke free. These sporting agencies have an important role in denormalising smoking and tobacco use for future generations. We fully understand the difficulties that stadia would face with this initiative, but workplaces, airlines and hospitals all have faced up successfully in the past ten years to the smoke-free reality. There is strong good will within these sports organisations for a pro-health and anti-tobacco message.

The last area to raise with the committee is the introduction of plain packaging on all cigarette packs by 2017. As we speak, the Minister, Deputy Reilly, is developing plans to introduce graphic images on all tobacco packs sold in this jurisdiction and we fully support him in this initiative. Plain packaging is now seen as a major player in the denormalisation of tobacco use. The tobacco industry spends billions of euro annually on marketing a product which, to paraphrase a previous director of the World Health Organization, if used as directed, kills half of its consumers.

The cigarette pack has become the key marketing tool employed by the tobacco industry to attract and retain consumers and we would strongly support plain packaging as a way of reducing the impact of tobacco advertising. Packaging colouring and imagery can contribute to consumers' misperceptions that certain brands are saver, lighter, less harmful cigarettes. Studies from Australia suggest that adult and adolescents perceive cigarettes in plain packets to be less appealing, less palatable, less satisfying and of lower quality compared to cigarettes in current packaging.

This week over 100 persons in Ireland will die of tobacco-related diseases and it is estimate that this year we will spend between €1 billion and €2 billion on treating tobacco-related disease. This year, in Ireland, it is estimated that some 50 persons will die of diseases caused by second-hand smoke exposure. Some 90% of cases of lung cancer - we are speaking about cancer today - in this country are caused by smoking and this disease will kill more Irish women this year than breast cancer. These are entirely preventable deaths. These consumers will be then replaced by fit healthy young people who will commence smoking, and many of whom will quickly become addicted. The intensity of opposition to plain packaging legislation in Australia suggests that the tobacco industry believes such measures will reduce sales and company profits.

Ireland is ready for these initiatives that we have discussed. Consistently two thirds of smokers want to quit. In a recent study across Europe of attitudes of smoking, Ireland ranked first, with over 80% of the population surveyed supportive of policy measures to reduce cigarette availability and attractiveness.

I take this opportunity to thank the members of the committee for inviting us here today and listening to our submission. As I stated previously, the only agenda for ASH Ireland is health. The committee can assist us in developing these five initiatives. All of us contribute to making a big difference in the ongoing fight against tobacco. I thank the committee.

I thank Mr. Morgan. Our final guest today is from the Alcohol Forum, Mr. Eamon O'Kane. He may proceed with this presentation.

Mr. Eamon O’Kane

On behalf of the Alcohol Forum, I express our extreme gratitude at being invited to speak today. While our written submission on this theme is very much focused on the relationship between alcohol and cancer, it is clear to us that our peers and colleagues in other organisations have addressed that issue quite consistently today. We are delighted instead to be asked to speak specifically about the models and processes that we follow to try to change lifestyle behaviours in the north west. In doing so, I will outline some context on the Alcohol Forum first.

The forum, as a charity, has been around for almost ten years. It grew organically, from a series of conversations more than anything else, from key persons in the community who started to realise the impact that alcohol was having on the broader health of the community. Those informants were in all walks of life, be it health service, Garda, education and community. What they really saw was the need for a collective action to change the culture of alcohol consumption. From that, the forum, with a range of interests in the public sector, developed a primary concern about how to change lifestyle behaviours in relation to alcohol consumption with a view to protecting current and future generations.

We are not an anti-alcohol organisation. We are interested in achieving a balanced consumption of alcohol in society. While our work has tended to be confined to the north west and the Border corridor, it is our intent to franchise the learning of our work across the region and across the country in due course. We are focused on how the learning that we have developed will influence and support the development of the strategy as it roles out as Government policy.

We also have been fortunate that our work has been supported by successive Governments. Indeed, in 2005, the then Minister for Health and Children designated the north west as an area of special interest in addressing alcohol-related harm and that gave us real impetus to see how we could mobilise communities to address actions for change.

The model we have used is defined academically as community mobilisation. It is recognised by the World Health Organization as a key vehicle through which to change lifestyle behaviours and is currently being longitudinally evaluated by Dr. Harold Holder of the University of California.

The mobilisation model seeks - this is where it is relevant in the committee's debate on lifestyle change - to build a comprehensive response to an issue that is too big for one sector on its own to tackle. We use that vehicle very specifically in regard to alcohol but our experience has shown that it could also be used to address issues such smoking, obesity, diet and nutrition. It is a way of getting people engaged in developing new approaches to their work.

During the early days of our work we became interested in the public developments that were taking place among our near neighbours in Derry, which was designated as a WHO health city in 2009. The Derry healthy cities project has been leading on public health engagement in the north west of Ireland for more than 20 years. It is at the centre of building the economic and social regeneration of Derry and, given our close alliance in terms of geography and community, we realised that the methodologies used there to improve public health were relevant to our work on lifestyle change.

Key aspects that we have adopted can be addressed in a number of points. First, the work undertaken in Derry to change public behaviour and lifestyles focused on the realisation that health is too important for the health sector alone. This underpins the idea that others have a role to play. Second, the project was strongly endorsed by the Northern Ireland public health strategy. Evidence and experience indicates that any attempt at behaviour change will flounder if it is not underpinned by national policy. Third, we were taken by the settings approach to health improvement, which identifies where people are situated. For example, given that we spend approximately one third of our waking lives at work, where better to speak to people about key messages of lifestyle and behavioural change? Fourth, health and health deprivation is no respector of borders across the island of Ireland and for that reason we were able to achieve synergies by working together. Fifth, the project recognised that setting processes for change primarily in the community and voluntary sector, with public sector support, enabled a flexibility and dynamism that is sometimes not possible when placed in more restrictive sectors. What we found most interesting was the reliance on local government in providing civic leadership and enabling the interagency and intersectoral co-operation required to progress lifestyle change.

At the core of the Derry approach is the idea that progress can only happen through a process of building capacity. If we do not build citizens' capacity to understand the messages we are trying to get across they will not effect lifestyle change. We quickly realised in our own work that the communities which progressed most slowly were those which were not subjected to earlier interventions in public health. We saw in Derry that even communities which received only rudimentary introductions to wider issues of public health found it easier to embrace specific lifestyle change programmes in areas such as alcohol, obesity, smoking, diet and nutrition.

The Derry model showed how lifestyle is determined by a range of social, economic, physical and cultural environments. It was important to us to understand how to adapt the model to our work on alcohol related harm in the north west. Economic disadvantage and social exclusion were key to understanding how population health developed and we learned that all the factors leading to poor health and inequality required a strong interagency approach to change. Our work on mobilising communities picked up the best learning from Derry and other WHO projects. We recognised those most at risk of ill-health are also the most likely to be marginalised or excluded from public consultation processes. They are also the most likely to find it difficult to express their views and needs. We have, therefore, sought to put social inclusion at the centre of our processes on lifestyle change, whether working with ethnic minority groups, mothers or people who find themselves in other forms of disadvantage. It is critical that we work with them to progress the change that needs to happen.

We have also recognised that health inequalities are determined by a range of factors and that various stakeholders can play a role in changing public health and lifestyle behaviour. Unfortunately, not all of these stakeholders recognise the role they play. Alongside developing our work in the alcohol forum and learning from Derry healthy cities, we also sought to build the intelligence base of our key stakeholders so that they can play a role in changing public health behaviour. Our stakeholders have become more aware of the impact they have on the health of the population, although it may not be at the core of their agenda.

The focus on health improvement and lifestyle change has to be on the health of the population as opposed to the sickness of particular individuals. If we are to change alcohol culture more can be achieved through changing societal behaviour than by focusing on those with the most chronic alcohol related problems or addictions. In learning from Derry to build a north-west regional concept, we have been clear that the development of communities' capacity to improve their social capital is central to changing lifestyle choices. The alcohol forum is providing basic information and education through a tailored training package and skills based development to enable communities to fully understand the impact of their lifestyle choices. This in turns builds their social capital to effect change. We have also built on the settings approach as a way of influencing how people think about their lifestyles. We currently work in social clubs, community groups, families and emergency departments as a way of speaking directly to the public at a time when they are most attuned to the message we are trying to spread in order to allow them to build their own understanding of the challenges of lifestyle change.

We have harnessed a lot of energy into the idea that civic leadership is a key mechanism that enables stakeholder engagement and offers a broad strategic connection among stakeholders, thereby allowing change to happen. By working with local authorities in the north west, we have been able to influence the agendas of sports partnerships, county development boards, community partnerships and town councils. Giving local government a remit for health, which is not something it has previously possessed, enables other natural leaders in the community, whether Deputies, Senators, sports coaches or community workers, to take a lead in changing lifestyles and behaviour.

The sharing of learning through our strategic partnership with Derry health cities has enabled both organisations to start making a difference in lifestyle choices and community health in the north west. Along with the healthy city approaches taken elsewhere on the island of Ireland, most notably in Galway and Cork, we have a real opportunity for the imminent public health strategy to influence the way in which communities react to health and well-being. We ask Senators to examine the mechanisms, culture and process developed in the north west on a cross-Border basis. We have seen how the progression of a public health strategy in the Republic of Ireland will make a dramatic change in communities' lifestyles.

However, we must not forget that Northern Ireland's public health strategy has been in place for more than ten years, during which time a significant amount has been learned and some mistakes have been made. We should think about how to utilise that learning as we progress strategies for public health and lifestyle change in the Republic. The alcohol forum has already started that process by creating a communication route and we hope that as the public health strategy in the Republic of Ireland comes on stream we can provide a key vehicle for allowing the country to learn more about health improvement and how the mechanisms used elsewhere can help communities to change. I am happy to provide further information on how these mechanisms work. I thank Senators for allowing me the time to address them.

In regard to graphic images on cigarette packs, we have not made progress in achieving a substantial reduction in the number of smokers. Have graphic images reduced smoking in other countries? The last set of figures I examined indicate that more young women are smoking. Certainly there has been no impact on that group as regards reducing the number of them who are smoking. Will the use of graphic images on packages have an effect in achieving the target?

Dr. Ross Morgan

The Senator is right that there is a very high proportion of young women still smoking in Ireland. Through increasing tobacco prices, the workplace smoking ban and other restrictions in the past ten or 12 years, there has been a 22% reduction in smoking prevalence in the country, but it remains too high at 25% with 29% in the young women category of which the Senator speaks. With regard to graphic images and so forth, we have small health warnings in cigarette packs that appear to go unnoticed, as most smokers would acknowledge. In jurisdictions that are ahead on this - particularly Australia - there has been a reduction. So where we have a 25% rate of smoking prevalence, Australia, which has graphic images on the cigarette packs, is at 15%. I mentioned the plain packaging which includes graphic images and no other advertising on the packaging. In market research studies, etc., that seems to be associated with a reduction in desirability of a product that advertises and sells itself through the medium of the packets. The use of colours, claims to be light or mild cigarettes and such misconceptions, which are of particular concern, cannot happen on a cigarette pack with plain packaging.

I thank our guests for their presentations. I have a question for ASH Ireland. I found its five recommendations very interesting and somewhat challenging. My cousin in front of me will know what I mean when I say I often thought one of the joys of growing up was being brought to matches and getting the smell of some of the sweeter tobacco being smoked in older men's pipes among the crowd. I may need to be re-educated on that one because I was thinking of making it a protected cultural activity.

More seriously, what would be the practical effect of implementing those five proposals, including plain packaging, and banning smoking in educational campuses, sports stadia and cars? Dr. Morgan put a stark figure of €1.5 billion on the cost of smoking-related health care. Is there any way to indicate the financial implications of implementing those five proposals?

Dr. Ross Morgan

The measure of these matters is prevalence and mortality associated with smoking-related diseases. We in ASH Ireland feel - most medical science would support us - that these types of measures are what reduce the prevalence of smoking. We need to de-normalise cigarette smoking and make it less desirable for people who start - the children aged 16, 17 and 18. Very few people start smoking at 40. With these types of initiatives we can set ourselves up as the leaders in this area. What we did ten years ago with the workplace smoking ban, we can do in these areas that give public health and the other benefits I mentioned. Ultimately we would be measured on the prevalence of smoking and more importantly a reduction of smoking-associated conditions.

Dr. Angie Brown

As Dr. Morgan has said, this is part of the de-normalisation process. We need to de-glamorise cigarettes for young people. We need to prevent young people from starting because once started this is a highly addictive product which is extremely difficult to give up. What we have discussed today is only part of the process. We need to continue to increase the price of cigarettes because that is the single most important factor in preventing young people from starting. We also need to clamp down on smuggling. ASH Ireland is calling for is a process of de-normalisation - removing the product and de-glamorising it.

I will allow Senators O'Keeffe and Healy Eames ask questions, which can be banked.

I thank the witnesses for their presentations. I ask Mr. O'Kane to clarify a point he made about being in emergency departments and talking to people when they are most in tune with what we are saying. That is a very interesting concept because part of the problem is that those people are never in tune with whatever everybody is saying. I ask him to give an example of what he means by people being in tune. Is there some way for us to expand that idea for all the other messages we are trying to get across?

I believe Dr. Morgan said he had approached the GAA, IRFU and others. I am not sure if he said what their response was - perhaps he does not yet know or is not in a position to say, or perhaps I was not listening.

I thank Dr. Morgan for his presentation. I am aware we have had a number of health-promoting third level colleges. Given the enthusiasm he expressed for those colleges and his ideas about them being highly restrictive - if not completely restrictive- smoke-free places, does he believe legislation is necessary to achieve that? I believed he mentioned that Australia had plain packaging. What has been the reduction following the introduction of plain packaging there?

Mr. O'Kane stated that health is too important for the health system alone. I remember Dr. Pat Doorley when he was head of population health saying that it was better to invest in education and to educate for health. We do not have that ethos because we always talk about the curative model and the treatment model. By the time we have a problem it is too late to prevent it. Does he have evidence and figures indicating that an investment in education and health promotion gives a better return for our buck than waiting for it to be too late?

I call Mr. O'Kane first and remind him that we have a time deadline.

Mr. Eamon O’Kane

With regard to the emergency department approach, some years ago the North West Alcohol Forum was involved in research investigating the cost of alcohol to Letterkenny General Hospital. At that time the impact of alcohol coming through it was estimated as costing between €20 million and €40 million per year. We worked with Trinity College to research the idea of early intervention and brief intervention regarding alcohol harm in the emergency department. On Friday and Saturday nights three of every four admissions into Letterkenny General Hospital were alcohol related. It seemed an obvious place to start getting to people to talk about their risk-taking alcohol behaviour. As a result we have continued to work on that model, which has been rolled out across the country and I believe Trinity College has been influencing that process as it moves forward with the HSE.

I was asked how public health intervention makes a difference through a health promotion approach. Sweden probably provides the best example. The Swedes got involved considerably upstream trying to prevent ill health as opposed to dealing with it when it became a sickness problem in hospitals. There is extensive WHO evidence to show how that a health-promotion model is most effective. Historically and culturally as a country we have tended to think about illness as opposed to health. Through our work and hopefully through the public health strategy, we are trying to foster the idea that prevention is better than cure.

Dr. Ross Morgan

The third level institutions have displayed considerable enthusiasm thus far. Having done their initial assessments by asking their students and staff how they would feel about it, they have found there is a majority in support of such initiatives. Much of the time it is very difficult to enforce and that is where some of this falls down. Clearly legislation in that area would be very supportive.

I mentioned Australia because it is introducing this initiative. To my understanding there is no jurisdiction in which plain packaging is extant. Australia is in the process of introducing it, having had significant graphic warnings on 50% of the surface area of the cigarette packs so far. That has been associated with the reductions they have seen, but plain packaging has not yet started there.

Does that mean there is no evidence yet to support plain packaging?

Dr. Ross Morgan

There are data from research studies to which I alluded. There is plenty of work on that area, which I would be quite happy to forward the Senator if she wishes. This is another area in which we could prove to be leaders.

Lastly, a point was made about the GAA and the IRFU. We were involved in discussions when the Aviva Stadium project began. They were considering making a small area available for smokers. It was just like when restaurants used to have smoking and non-smoking areas, but a smoker could be beside the non-smoking table. We felt it would be better and easier to make it all non-smoking. Why allow for a smoking area? Similarly, that is what we are seeking from the GAA in the other local and national areas. We are involved in this process at the moment. We have not got any firm commitments in that area.

Dr. Ross Morgan

It is on the go, yes.

I thank the witnesses for their presentations, which I found to be extremely interesting and helpful. Mr. O'Kane referred to the fact that there is a cultural problem concerning alcohol. This is something that is a particular bugbear of mine. I have been wondering about below-cost selling of alcohol, the separation of areas in supermarkets for alcohol sales, banning advertising, and banning certain types of alcohol-related promotions in pubs and various establishments. Is there evidence from other jurisdictions about these matters? I suppose it may be difficult to answer that question because we are probably quite unique, along with certain parts of the United States and the United Kingdom, in our relationship of culture with drink. Is there any evidence from elsewhere about this? How on earth are we going to prevent our young people from going down the road of binge drinking? It is such a serious problem.

Mr. Eamon O’Kane

There is extensive evidence. The committee will be aware that in February this year the chief medical officer produced a series of recommendations to change the alcohol culture in Ireland. Unfortunately, our media seem focused on trying to find one or two magic bullets that will make that behavioural change happen. In reality there are 40 plus recommendations in that report, but no single recommendation on its own will change the cultural piece. I would reassure that committee, however, that all 45 recommendations are well underpinned by international best practice and international evidence.

As a country we can see what we need to do. The conversation today has reiterated that on several occasions. Somehow, we still have a disconnect between the recommendations and making them into policy. Hopefully over the next few months we will engage with the Government to take the next step of taking those recommendations into cultural change.

I would like to raise one question regarding the smoking issue. As someone who has never smoked in 56 years I have no great first-hand knowledge of it. However, in the last decade or so there seems to have been a particular rise in the incidence of smoking among females aged 15 to 24. Does Dr. Morgan have any suggestion for how we can control that? To what is it attributable? A previous witness said it was a worrying trend and also seemed to involve a particular social category in society which, in my view, is less well off. This is happening despite the cost of a packet of cigarettes. Does Dr. Morgan have any comment on that? Is there any quick-fix solution through education to try to stymie that development?

Dr. Ross Morgan

Unfortunately, there are probably not any quick fixes. However, the Chairman is right to say there has been an increase in some categories and, it appears, in socioeconomic groups that are less well off in particular. Starting smoking and addiction to it is associated with peer group pressure and being in a smoking environment. Unfortunately, the children of smokers are more likely to smoke so we have a long way to go.

The marketing and branding of cigarettes are important, as is education because people start smoking in their late teenage years. There has been a dearth of support to help people stop smoking in this country. It is a very difficult thing to do. Only 10% of smokers will be able to stop on their own, despite the fact that two thirds want to. We have a big problem in that smoking-cessation services are under-funded. The cost of counselling, nicotine replacement therapy and other agents that double the chances of quitting smoking can be prohibitive. Clearly, that is something that needs to be addressed by further funding. Those are the pieces that are important.

We have mentioned the cost issue previously, although we are not talking about that today. Education, reducing availability and reducing the attractiveness of smoking, as well as support for quitting are the three important elements.

I thank the witnesses for their presentations, as well as the previous groups who attended the committee. Some of the evidence that was put before us has been stark and, to one extent or another, frightening. I thought that alcohol caused liver cancer but did not realise all the other areas it affected. Good health, including exercise, is an important point we have already dealt with. I am not saying this in jest, but I wonder if we will ever see the day when we will have a lettuce league or a cucumber cup, rather than the Heineken Cup and others, to promote real nutrition. I say that, although I am a great sports fan.

That is probably a dream. I wish to thank our clerk, Ms Jody Blake, who does a lot of work behind the scenes. I would say that she sometimes pulls her hair our when trying to get all these bits and pieces together. She deserves great credit. I also wish to thank Senator Susan O'Keeffe who was the catalyst behind this consultation, and the Leader of the Seanad, Senator Maurice Cummins, whose idea it was to embark on this public consultation process.

And the Independent Senators.

We have all played some part, but this has been a tremendously educational opportunity for us. Hopefully we can use it as a catalyst for new policies. I am sure the Government, as with its predecessors, is anxious to make progress but sometimes it is hard to change society's mindsets on environmental issues.

I thank everyone for contributing. I am sorry for having rushed some people but the Chamber must be vacated and cleaned. There are other issues to be dealt with also before the Seanad sitting begins in approximately 30 minutes. Go raibh maith agaibh go léir.

The committee adjourned at 4.10 p.m. sine die.
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