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SELECT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 23 Sep 2009

Convention on European Forest Institute: Motion.

On behalf of the select committee I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Tony Killeen, who has special responsibility for fisheries and forestry, and his officials to the meeting.

Members will be aware that Dáil Éireann yesterday ordered that the Convention on the European Forest Institute be referred to the select committee for its consideration and to report back to Dáil Éireann not later than 6 October 2009.

I call on the Minister of State to make his opening statement.

I thank the Chairman and members of the select committee for facilitating the presentation of the motion to approve Ireland's accession to the Convention on the European Forest Institute. I am joined by Mr. Eugene Hendrix from the Department.

The European Forest Institute, EFI, is an independent non-governmental organisation conducting European forest research. The institute's work forms an extensive research or network across Europe with more than 130 members. It promotes and conducts research on forests, forestry and forestry products. Today the EFI has seven project centres throughout Europe, three regional offices and two further regional offices soon to become operational. By acceding to the convention, Ireland will enjoy full membership of the EFI and this in turn will provide access to an international research network that extends beyond Europe. This research network allows EFI members to pool resources and work together in finding appropriate solutions to common problems. Quite apart from diminishing research budgets, and from a cost-effective perspective, it makes good sense for countries to work together in this way.

The EFI regional network is expanding and now boasts seven project centres and three regional offices. Of particular significance to Ireland is the EFIATLANTIC regional office which is based in Bordeaux. Professor Ted Farrell of University College Dublin is currently involved in a project in conjunction with EFIATLANTIC called multi-functionality of Atlantic forest which focuses on plantation forests, an area of particular relevance to Irish forestry. The EFINORD based in Copenhagen will enable closer co-operation between Irish forestry researchers and colleagues in the Nordic countries. I am confident that access to the EFI network will benefit Irish forestry in matters of both forest research and good forest practice.

The accession process requires approval of the Dáil under Article 29.5.2° of the Constitution to allow for the possibility of future financial contributions. While there are no monetary charges associated with accession, it is considered advisable to leave open the possibility for voluntary financial contributions in the future.

On 3 September I had the pleasure of opening the 16th annual conference of the EFI in Dublin Castle. This event was a great success and was reported to be the best attended EFI conference to date. A total of 140 delegates from 33 countries attended including forestry experts from the USA and Australia. In my address to the delegates, I stressed the importance of shared competence and expertise between EFI members and drew particular attention to the issues of climate change and the role the EFI could play in the research of climate change mitigation. Our hosting of the conference was evidence of our firm commitment to this objective and to the promotion of international co-operation in areas of mutual interest. The EFI is an effective facilitator of this process.

I must congratulate the Minister of State for his brief outline of the terms of the Convention on the European Forest Institute. I am pleased to find him in such an optimistic mood and I am grateful for his opening remarks which have helped us to see the wood for the trees.

The European Forest Institute appears to be an admirable organisation and it is clearly a good example of pan-European co-operation. It is another fine example of how to co-operate with our European partners which works to the advantage of all. If we had to put this agreement to a referendum I wonder what arguments and untruths those in the "No" campaign would be able to muster against it.

I would not be doing my job as Fine Gael spokesman on forestry if I did not have a few questions for the Minister of State. My understanding is that the EFI was established in 1993 to provide a forestry research and information resource to meet the needs of a rapidly changing Europe. As part of that wider strategy to improve the contribution of EFI to international forest research, the institute was established as an international organisation with the signing of the convention in Joensuu, Finland, on 28 August 2003. This change in status will bring benefits both to the EFI and the wider forestry community in Europe through broadening the EFI's perspective. The institute undertakes research at the pan-European level on forest policy, including its ecological aspects, multiple use of the resources, the health of forests, and supply and demand for timber and other forest products and services.

This country could start promoting the sustainable management and conservation of forests in Europe. The institute currently has 138 members in 37 countries. These include research institutes, education establishments, industries and non-governmental organisations. By the summer of 2009, 21 European states had verified the EFI convention. I understand that the current Irish members include COFORD, Coillte, the forest service, UCD school of biology and environmental research, agriculture and forest centres in Dublin. I wonder if the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and the Irish Farmers Association should also apply for membership. The IFA has an active interest in this area and has many members involved in this sector.

When did Ireland sign this agreement? Why has it taken so long to bring this agreement before the Houses of the Oireachtas? The Minister of State did not mention the Kosova involvement nor the budget of this institute. How many employees are involved in this institute? I note the involvement of the Department of Foreign Affairs. Will the ratification of this Convention on the European Forest Institute provide the staff of the EFI any privileges or immunities in Ireland? Will the Minister of State share with the select committee the names of the countries that have ratified the convention and which have yet to do so? Does he expect the convention to be ratified by all signatory countries?

I welcome the Minister of State. The members of the select committee should accede to his request and I support Ireland's accession to the Convention on the European Forest Institute.

Ireland needs to increase its level of afforestation as we are far behind the level of afforestation in Europe. I think we have less than 10% of our land under afforestation. We should be aiming at least at doubling the area under afforestation as a means of combatting carbon emissions and taking care of our environment. Afforestation is an option for consideration by farmers in the current climate, especially when the return from conventional enterprises such as dairying and cattle is poor. Afforestation has gone off the agenda and needs to be looked at again. I have a brother who is involved with Coillte. He has told me that planting has stopped, literally seized, which is bad for the future. Growing trees is cyclical, so if we stop planting trees now, we will pay the price in ten, 20 or 30 years. It is very important that we promote afforestation more. The only way to promote afforestation is through a grant system and I wonder if something could be done to increase the amount of land under afforestation.

I welcome the Minister of State and support Ireland's accession to the Convention on the European Forest Institute. It is of major importance that we access the network of research in order to further our knowledge of forestry. I welcome this measure and look forward to the convention being put in place.

I wish to follow on from the points made by Deputy Aylward. During our visit to Brussels, the permanent representation for Ireland and Commissioner Mariann Fischer Boel highlighted the role of forestry in absorbing carbon, which could be included in emissions trading. In Ireland's case it could be offset against carbon emissions that emanate from agriculture. Will the European Forest Institute work towards that agenda to have it included in the next round of negotiations on carbon emissions?

I thank the Minister of State for his presentation and I agree with the previous speaker that we fully support Ireland's accession to the European Forest Institute. Forestry is very important to Ireland and there is a great deal of land that will not produce grass but will produce trees. We should build on that. I know people who would plant trees, but not when there is uncertainty about grant payments. If there was more certainty about the future prospects, there would be more planting. To repeat what I said earlier, there is a great deal of land that is good for nothing else but planting trees on it.

I thank Deputies on the Opposition as well as the Government side for their support. Deputy P.J. Sheehan posed a very interesting question on what issues would arise if the matter were put to a referendum. He asked if it would be possible for the IFA and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to become members of the European Forest Institute. I understand that the EFI accepts applications for membership openly, and normally accepts those who apply. I think Deputy Sheehan's idea of having the IFA or others who are involved directly in the industry as members of EFI might be very positive. Members of the institute have the capacity and opportunities to influence the areas in which research is carried out and of course that is very important as time goes on.

I do not have a full list of member countries but I will get that information and forward it directly to the Deputy. The EFI website is very good and unlike some other websites that I have tried to access, it is fairly easy to find information on it. The quality of the research that is conducted by the EFI is extraordinarily high and because it is international it is even more beneficial.

There was a large attendance at the EFI conference held in Dublin a couple of weeks ago, with representatives from the member states and member organisations as well as people from Australia, North America and Korea.

Deputy Aylward mentioned the question of carbon sequestration which is very important and the target levels we should be hitting for forestry. He is quite right that the current level is about 10% but the target is to have 17% of the country's area covered within a short time. In 1993, there were 22,000 hectares planted, which was extraordinarily high and for a few years we had very high planting levels, but the rate of planting has been dropping at approximately 1,000 hectares per annum, with less than 6,000 hectares planted last year.

Both Deputy O'Sullivan and Deputy Aylward made the point that we need to give strong support to forestry. One of the current difficulties, and this refers to a point made by Deputy Doyle, is that the carbon sequestration capacity of forestry is not accounted for in positive terms under the Kyoto Protocol, particularly at European level, in the way it might possibly be done. One of the reasons is that Ireland is one of the few countries that has had a very dramatic growth in area under forestry in a relatively short time, particularly since the Kyoto Protocol in the early 1990s. Other countries that have static levels of afforestation would not have as much to gain from having the credits under carbon sequestration counted and that is a difficulty we are trying to address. Last week, the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Brendan Smith, attended a meeting on the issue in Sweden. It was organised for the European Commission by the Swedish Presidency and the Minister has pursued it at previous meetings of the Council of Ministers.

Deputy Scanlon is correct to say that Ireland has an extraordinary capacity to grow trees and we have all heard that there is some uncertainty over the grants for the programme. However, I took out the monthly report of the forest service for the end of August 2008 and I have the figures for the end of August 2009, which are the most up-to-date figures available. This time last year, the form 1 applications, which are the first application a farmer makes for a grant, were up by 3% on the previous year for a similar area. This year the form 1 applications are up by 82% and the area involved has increased by 45%. The same is reflected in the form 2 applications, which are used for people who seriously intend to go ahead. They were down by 23% and the area by 15%. This year it is up by 10% and the area is up by 20%. So, despite the fact that there is a lot of uncertainty, the factors mentioned by Deputies Doyle and Aylward are coming into play. Other areas in agriculture appear less attractive and people are now looking at forestry more favourably. In addition, land prices are considerably more modest than they were a year or two ago.

The level of applications for afforestation has implications for our capacity to service the schemes. Members will remember that, last year, the international and national economic situation forced us to cut the premia rates by 8% and we had to look very closely at afforestation grants. We did not cut them last year and I do not know what the budgetary position will be for 2010 but there is no reason to believe it will be better than it was last year. We are trying to argue, on the basis of the benefits of forestry for carbon sequestration, that we should make provision for an increase in the level of planting. If we achieve that it will be the first increase for several years and it will reverse a trend in which there has been a drop of 100 hectares per annum over a relatively long period.

The Minister of State spoke of the accession process requiring Dáil approval to allow for the possibility of future financial contributions. I take it the contributions are outward in nature.

Yes. That is what the provision is for. The Government is empowered to sign conventions of this nature and could have done so. However, the Attorney General's advice was that, since it is possible at some stage in the future that a Government may, for tactical or strategic reasons, wish to make a voluntary contribution, the appropriate way to do it was to get Dáil approval. Had we ratified and a future Government wanted to make contributions it would not be empowered to do so and the process would have to be started again.

There is no mandatory contribution to the EFI as things stand. A Government might choose to make a contribution if the EFI wanted to pursue a line of research which was part of its land use policy. This ratification process allows the Government to do that.

Does the provision for financial contributions to the EFI have anything to do with our target of hectares per annum, which is not being reached at present? Is it connected with the timeframe to offset CO2 emissions? Could this amount to a payment of compensation rather than a contribution?

The premium rate was cut by 8% this year. This has caused a lot of uneasiness among the farmers concerned because when they entered the scheme the premium rate was guaranteed by the Department for 20 years. Their annual income has been reduced by 8% this year, which has had a damaging effect on the promotion of forestry in this country. If a guarantee was given not to touch the premium rate it should be adhered to. It was a drastic step and should be corrected immediately.

Is there a possibility the figures from the list that the Minister read out could be forwarded to the clerk to the committee?

I will do that.

I did not finish answering the question put by Deputy Sheahan as to whether there was any connection between the EFI and the targets. There is no connection between them, but the quality of the research offered by the EFI might provide an opportunity to areas in my and Deputy Sheahan's constituency which are currently disallowed for afforestation because of environmental considerations. There is a view that areas which are deemed unsuitable for afforestation in Ireland might be considered suitable in one of the Nordic countries or elsewhere and one of the ways of addressing that is by good quality research. It has, however, no connection with whether or not Ireland will make a contribution to the EFI, though some EFI research seems to be very helpful to us and it would be a great relief to both Deputy Sheahan and me if we got to that stage.

Deputy P.J. Sheehan asked about the 8% cut in premium. He and other members will be aware that I and the Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, Deputy Smith, have received a huge number of representations on the subject. On the central point made by Deputy Sheehan about the 20-year contract, everybody who afforested prior to 2001 received an increase of between 8.7% and 57%. A further increase in premia of 15% was introduced in 2006 so anybody who planted forestry prior to that time, even allowing for an 8% cut last year, is getting substantially in excess of what they signed on for.

Deputy Sheehan is right to say that a cohort of farmers and investors who planted after 2006 signed on for a particular level over 20 years and the 8% cut does put their level of premium below that for which they signed. We often criticise insurers for the small print on their documents but there is a disclaimer on ours which states "subject to available finances". I take Deputy Sheehan's point, however, and every member will share the view that if farmers or investors sign on for a particular payment — in this case over 15 years if they were an investor or 20 years if they were a farmer — the State should make every effort to ensure that level of payment is made. I am actively pursuing the matter and I have made contact with the Department of Finance on a number of occasions on the matter. I had hoped to have resolved the matter before now but some progress has been made.

At least the Minister is making an effort to correct an imbalance which has deterred other farmers from entering the scheme.

Has the committee any views on whether or not there should be further debate on the motion in the Dáil? I take it that the select committee recommends there should be no further debate on the motion by Dáil Éireann. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Does this still have to come before the Dáil?

It would be good to have a discussion on the motion in Dáil Éireann as it will give an opportunity to other Members to express their interest in the subject.

We cannot decide that. The Deputy should bring it to the attention of the Whips. Perhaps they could examine that situation.

While I would welcome a debate on forestry generally, my fear is that, if this were before the Dáil, the Chair would rule that almost everything we wanted to discuss was out of order. A general discussion on forestry might be preferable.

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