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Select Committee on Transport and Communications díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 28 Feb 2024

Road Traffic Bill 2024: Committee Stage

The main purpose of today's meeting is to give Committee Stage consideration to the Road Traffic Bill 2024. I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Chambers, and his officials to the meeting.

I will read a note on privilege before we start. All witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable or otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to the good name of the person or entity. Therefore, if a witness's statements are potentially defamatory in relation to an identifiable person or identity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks and it is imperative they comply with any such direction.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

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As to the arrangements for taking the Bill, I remind all members that should a vote be called, members must be physically present in the committee room in order to vote.

I again welcome the Minister of State and ask him to make his opening statement.

I thank the committee for facilitating the early hearing of Committee Stage of the Road Traffic Bill 2024. This Bill is an essential part of our response to the disturbing upward trend in road deaths and it is a Bill I would like to see passed as soon as possible. I know the committee is familiar with the situation on our roads. Up to today, there have been 36 deaths on Irish roads in 2024. In 2023, there were 188 deaths, a 21% increase on the figure for 2022. When we take a longer view, we can see that the problems we face have been there for some time.

Ireland first brought in a national road safety strategy in 1998. If we look at 1997, the last year before that strategy, there were 472 deaths on our roads at a time with a smaller population and less traffic. Over the years and successive road safety strategies, we got deaths down to an historic low of 134 in 2018. Since then, things have changed. The year 2019 and even 2020, the year of the first Covid lockdowns, both saw deaths increase. In 2021, we were once again back down to 134, but that was skewed by the long lockdown for Covid early in that year. Since 2022, however, there has been a clear upward trend in deaths. We saw 155 road deaths in 2022 and 188 in 2023. Overall, what this means is that after two decades of reductions down to 2018, the number of deaths stalled and then started going up. The rate of increase is not small. As I said, the increase in 2023 was 21% and it was 16% in 2022. Things are not only going the wrong way, they are going the wrong way quickly.

What can we do? We all know there are many factors involved in road safety. One of the reasons for the very large and welcome reduction in road deaths in the 20 years down to 2018 was that there were big ticket issues which could be dealt with, such as investment in improved road infrastructure, a much safer vehicle fleet thanks to the introduction of the NCT, and significant improvements in driver training. It was always going to get harder as we went on to reduce deaths further. However, that does not explain why things are going in the wrong direction. The main causes of deaths on our roads remain the all-too-familiar and stubborn factors of speeding, intoxicated driving, distracted driving and people not wearing seatbelts. All of these are aspects of driver behaviour. We need to get the message out repeatedly that these are dangerous behaviours and that people who engage in them put themselves, their passengers and other road users at risk.

Our response to the present trend is on a number of fronts. The current road safety strategy runs from 2021 to 2030. It is divided into three phases, with the first phase ending this year. Each phase has an action plan and this year my Department will be working with the Road Safety Authority on an action plan for phase 2, which runs for the following three years. In the meantime, we are pressing ahead with the actions of the first phase. We are, of course, not simply continuing to follow uncritically the phase 1 plan as devised a few years ago. We are learning and reprioritising as we go to respond as effectively as possible to the emerging trends and to reverse them.

This is the context for the Road Traffic Bill 2024, which we are discussing today. It is intended to be a short and focused Bill. It concentrates on three areas which have a clear impact on road safety and where we can make specific improvements in our laws. The first is the area of penalty points. Since we first introduced penalty points in 2002, they have shown their worth as an effective deterrent to risky driver behaviour. The penalty points system means people who persist in unsafe behaviours will accumulate points to a level where they will be disqualified. Ideally, what we want is for people who get points to be more careful in future. However, it is up to drivers whether they continue to take risks, earn more points and, in effect, disqualify themselves.

There is a legacy issue in the 2002 legislation which I believe undermines the deterrent value of the system and needs to be corrected. Back in 2002, when the system was new, it was agreed that a person who earned multiple sets of points for multiple offences on the same occasion would get only one set of points, which would be the highest concerned. Frankly, this is a problem. If a person commits four penalty point offences on separate occasions, they get all four sets of points. If they commit the same offences but all on one occasion, they get only one set of points. I expect that at the time, in 2002, there were people who felt it was unfair if people could end up with a disqualification coming from just one incident. However, what we are left with now is a system which positively rewards people for piling up the offences. It is true they have to pay all the fixed charges or, if they go to court and are convicted, they have to pay all the fines, but they do not feel the impact on their level of penalty points.

We have sought legal advice on this. There are complicated legal arguments as to why this or that option may or may not be viable, but following legal advice we propose the following. If a person pays fixed charges for two penalty point offences arising out of the same occasion, they will get both sets of points. If they pay fixed charges for more than two offences, they will still get just two sets of points, being the greater two. On the other hand, if they are convicted of multiple penalty point offences from the same incident, they will get all of the points. To give an example of how this will work, let us say a person gets six fixed charge notices for penalty point offences, all occurring on the same occasion. If they pay three fixed charges and go to court on the other three, they will get two sets of points out of the three for which they paid fixed charges. They will also get all of the points arising out of any court convictions. In this example, they could get five sets of points.

If anyone objects that this is unfair because people could be disqualified over a single incident, my answer is that this is about safety. They will not be disqualified if they obey the law and drive safely. Are we really going to say that it does not matter if people are committing lots of simultaneous road traffic offences? I hope we can agree this is a serious issue and is something that needs to be dealt with.

The second area dealt with by the Bill is speed limits. We promised to conduct a speed limits review, and this was done, with the review report being published last September. It contains a number of recommendations, some of which take time to implement. We propose to make some key changes to our speed limit law. Speed limit legislation, which is set out in the Road Traffic Act 2004, operates at two levels. The law sets default speed limits for different classes of road and allows local authorities with devolved authority to set different limits, which are called special speed limits, for particular roads in their areas. This gives a national standard as a baseline, with flexibility and autonomy for local authorities to make adjustments in light of the circumstances applying to individual roads.

The speed limit review recommends a number of changes to default speed limits and the Bill will make the necessary changes. These speed limit changes are a reduction from 50 km/h to 30 km/h in built up areas; a reduction from 80 km/h to 60 km/h for local rural roads; and a reduction from 100 km/h to 80 km/h for national secondary roads. All of these changes were carefully examined in the course of the speed limit review. They are realistic and they will make these roads safer. On Second Stage, a number of Deputies suggested that enforcement rather than speed limit changes would be the key to dealing with speeding. Actually, we need appropriate speed limits and effective enforcement. I do not see that arguments about enforcement are any reason not to apply safer and more appropriate speed limits, as we are doing in this Bill.

The third issue we are addressing in the Bill is intoxicant testing. Section 9 of the Road Traffic Act 2010 provides for the Garda to conduct intoxicant testing in four scenarios. These are cases where, in the opinion of the Garda member, a person in charge of a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place: (a) has consumed an intoxicant; (b) is committing or has committed an offence under the Road Traffic Acts 1961 to 2011; (c) is or has been, with the vehicle, involved in a collision; or (d) is or has been, with the vehicle, involved in an event in which death occurs or injury appears, or is claimed, to have been caused to a person of such nature as to require medical assistance for the person at the scene of the event or that the person be brought to a hospital for medical assistance.

In the case of alcohol testing, the Act says that the member of the Garda "shall" conduct a test in cases (a) and (d) while they "may" conduct a test in cases (b) and (c). In other words, the test is required in cases (a) and (d) and is optional in cases (b) and (c). Looking at what circumstances (b) and (c) are, it is easy to see that sometimes there might be no reason to conduct an intoxicant test. For example, in the case of a person who, in the opinion of the Garda, was involved in an offence under the Road Traffic Acts, there may be no reason to suspect intoxicant was a factor.

However, the law on testing for drugs is different. In all four sets of circumstances, it says that the Garda member "may" conduct a test for drugs. This is not reasonable, particularly as driving under the influence of drugs is becoming a growing problem. It has been flagged as a very serious issue by An Garda Síochána. I am, therefore, proposing that we make testing mandatory for drugs in circumstances (a) and (d), just as it is for alcohol. This will ensure we do not run the risk of failing to detect drug-driving in cases where we would be detecting drink-driving.

Apart from the three main areas addressed by the Bill, we are making a number of other small but necessary and, essentially, technical amendments. Section 13 will amend provisions of section 95 of the Road Traffic Act 1961, as amended in 2023, so that consent by local authorities for TII to erect road signage, or consent by TII for the local authorities to do it, depending on which is necessary, will be consent in writing. Likewise, the rebuttable presumption in court cases over alleged unauthorised signage will be that the sign was provided "without consent in writing" rather than "without consent".

Section 14 makes a number of corrections to cross-references in the legislation. It also subdivides one of the few remaining uncommenced provisions relating to the Irish motor insurance database so that we can commence the collection of names and dates of birth of drivers separately from driver numbers.

In brief, other amendments that I am happy to discuss with the committee in detail later relate to a problem which has arisen in the courts over the use of ancillary disqualifications so that people do not get penalty points; a technical change in the definition of "powered personal transporters", which is necessary but will not change the definition as agreed last year by the Oireachtas; and a technical amendment so that lower powered electric bikes will not require a driving licence.

There is one other area where I intend to bring amendments but these could not be ready in time for Committee Stage so I will introduce them on Report Stage. This is with regard to a High Court decision last November which determined that the Garda has no power to hold someone at the scene of a roadside intoxicant test while they wait for a test result. I intend to propose to give the Garda the necessary power in this case.

Once again, I thank the committee for facilitating the hearing of the Bill and I look forward to our discussions today.

Sections 1 to 3, inclusive, agreed to.
NEW SECTIONS

I move amendment No. 1:

In page 7, between lines 17 and 18, to insert the following:

"Additional amendment of section 2 of Act of 2002

4. (1) Section 2 of the Act of 2002 is amended—

(a) in subsection (8), by the substitution of "Subject to subsection (8A), where," for "Where,", and

(b) by the insertion of the following subsection after subsection (8):

"(8A) Penalty points in respect of a penalty point offence shall be endorsed on the entry of a person where, upon conviction of the person of the penalty point offence, an ancillary disqualification order is made in respect of the person for a period of 6 months or less.".

(2) The amendment of section 2 of the Act of 2002 by subsection (1) shall apply in respect of an ancillary disqualification order made upon conviction of a person of a penalty point offence committed by the person on or after the commencement of subsection (1).".

This amendment is being brought forward to address a weakness that has recently come to light. It is with regard to legislation on penalty points, which I referenced in my opening remarks. Let us remember the penalty points system is meant to deter bad driving. The deterrent effect comes from the fact that people realise if they accumulate enough points, they can be disqualified. For this reason road traffic offences that carry what is called a consequential disqualification, in other words an automatic disqualification on conviction, are not penalty point offences. In case the committee is wondering, they are not fixed charge offences either. There is such a thing as an ancillary disqualification, whereby if a person is convicted in court of a road traffic offence that does not carry a consequential disqualification, the judge may, nevertheless, decide that person should receive a disqualification. This is called an ancillary disqualification.

When penalty points were introduced in 2002, it was decided no points should be applied following conviction for a penalty point offence if the court imposed an ancillary disqualification. This provision is set out in section 2(8) of the Road Traffic Act 2002. It made sense, of course, to decide there was no reason to give people penalty points that could lead to the risk of disqualification when they were being disqualified anyway. Late last year it came to my attention that a number of recent court cases have involved the use of the ancillary disqualification mechanism to avoid people getting penalty points. What has happened in these cases is that a person may be given a very short ancillary disqualification, in some cases as little as one day, which then means they get no penalty points. What they are getting in exchange is a virtually meaningless disqualification. This completely defeats the purpose of the penalty points system. Therefore, I propose an amendment to section 2 of the 2002 legislation to address this.

Under the amendment people convicted of a penalty point offence and then given an ancillary disqualification will still receive penalty points unless the ancillary disqualification is for more than six months. Six months is, of course, the period of disqualification people would get if they went over the limit of penalty points. The amendment will restore the original purpose of the provisions relating to ancillary disqualifications and penalty points. Where a judge believes a person merits ancillary disqualification, that person will no longer escape penalty points unless the disqualification is for more than six months.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendments Nos. 2 and 5 are related and may be discussed together.

I move amendment No. 2:

In page 7, between lines 17 and 18, to insert the following:

"4. Where a section of road has had a reduction in speed limit after the commencement of this Act—

(a) a High Collision Location review must be undertaken by Transport Infrastructure Ireland within twelve months of a speed limit reduction taking effect, and

(b) recommendations of a High Collision Location review shall be binding and acted on by the responsible local authority.".

I thank the Minister of State for his opening statement.

The Minister of State outlined that road collisions are multifactorial events and are not caused by just one thing but by numerous things. The big lesson in all of that is that everyone we have had before the committee, and I have spoken about this at various locations in the past, has told us that drink and drug driving are the main contributors to accidents, as well as to speed, which is also a factor in many accidents. Of course, the falling number of gardaí and the issues we have around enforcement are also big factors. Those have to be recognised and, in fairness, the Minister of State has recognised them.

The amendments I am putting forward relate to instances where the speed limit on roads is reduced. In such circumstances, Transport Infrastructure Ireland should look at areas known as "high collision locations", which, in the past, would have been known as "accident black spots". Under my amendments, TII would have to look at those locations and make recommendations. We have heard of too many tragedies in recent times. Very often in such cases, the local information tells us that in the past, there have been multiple accidents on a stretch of road, at a particular junction or at a particular series of bends. I want to use this opportunity to ensure accidents cannot happen again. Where we look at these situations and decide to reduce the speed limits, TII would then do a review, look at those areas that need attention and make recommendations with which the local authority would have to deal to ensure those roads are made safer for the travelling public, whatever the relevant speed limit. That is the first amendment I have proposed.

The second amendment would require speed limit reviews to happen quickly and within no more than 120 days. I hear from some councillors around the country that it can be quite a long process and we need to shorten it and do this in a timely manner. That is why I have proposed these two amendments for which I hope I get the support of the Minister of State.

I am trying to read the explanatory note, the amendment and the Bill. There is reference to where a section of road has had a reduction in the speed limit applied. Is there a definition of "built-up area"? The term is referenced in the explanatory document. It is described as a "build-up area" but I presume that is meant to be a "built-up area". How do we define a "built-up area"?

I thank Deputy Martin Kenny for his proposals. We all agree we need to reduce deaths on our roads and it is fair to say there are no ideological differences in that regard but there are different views as to what is practical and effective. Speed limits are reviewed from time to time for appropriateness as circumstances change. However, writing into law that there has to be a review within 12 months would not help. That is even more the case when we consider that the legal requirement the Deputy is proposing is not on the effect of the change but on only one aspect of it. In addition, the proposal that the recommendations of the review would be binding would be an unusual provision for any review under road traffic law. Reviews can make recommendations which turn out not to be feasible or appropriate. Reviews could make a mistake and would then be binding in law. It would be highly risky, to say the least, to write a blank cheque for a review that nobody at local authority level has seen, a review that has not even happened and of which the scope and terms of references are as yet unknown, as is the composition of the reviewing team.

The Deputy also referred to "high collision locations". I know what is intended by the manner in which the Deputy has made that reference but it is not a term defined in law. There can be many causes of collisions. Speed is a major factor and as we know, the speed at which a collision happens is also a major factor in determining how serious the outcome is. However, even if there were a definition of a "high collision location" proposed by the Deputy, which there is not, it would be wrong to imply, as the proposal does, that the sole factor at issue was speed, as an example.

TII can and does analyse all the risks on the road and has a register around them. That will continue to happen without this amendment. The idea of writing into law specific requirements for what reviews of this type should cover, and that they would be binding in law, would be risky and dangerously narrow when we do not know what those reviews might recommend to local authorities or TII. I believe it would be a mistake to say that the recommendations of a review nobody has seen would be binding. The recommendations could contradict road safety principles, for example. We do not know who might comprise the review team or what its terms of reference might be. Furthermore, the terminology used, "high collision location", is not defined. We are not in a position to support that particular amendment.

As to the time limit for local authority speed limit reviews, it is obvious that local authorities need to do speed limit reviews in their areas from time to time, and they do so. However, setting out the timing in law would not be appropriate. We are going to try to address that through the guidelines we issue. We are going to synchronise and sequence that clearly to local authorities. Different local authorities will face different issues and some reviews that might happen after the overall speed limit review, which will have to occur nationally, may take a different timeframe. They may be shorter. We will be setting ambitious timelines through the statutory guidelines and directions we will issue following the enactment of the Bill. A speed limit review may be undertaken to examine one particular road following the national review, which will take a number of weeks to do. There may be a subsequent review that will take a different length of time. The timelines we will publish following the review will be ambitious, much more focused and truncated than we have had in the past 20 years. Our statutory guidelines and directions will be about giving flexibility to local authorities, depending on their circumstances. We want to ensure that local authorities do the reviews properly and in the most efficient way possible. It might be very easy for some reviews to adhere to a time limit in primary legislation but other reviews might take longer, depending on their complexity. Through guidance and direction, we will have the ability to set out clear timelines and we will be doing so.

Deputy Matthews asked about a definition of "built-up areas". That definition is set out in the Local Government Act 2001. We will be giving further detail in that respect when we publish the guidance for local authorities on which significant work is ongoing.

In his opening statement, the Minister of State stated that we are all aware that drink and drug driving and distraction while driving are major causes of accidents. There is absolutely no doubt but that poor infrastructure in rural areas is a major problem. Representatives of TII have been before the committee on a number of occasions and we have asked them about the issue. The first thing that public representatives are asked when there is a collision or a fatality in a rural area is why they did nothing about the road. Perhaps the road in question has been the scene of a number of accidents and incidents where people have been injured and lost their lives. There has to be a stronger message in that regard. The Bill deals with speeding and the issue of driving under the influence of intoxicants but the issue of safe roads is not being dealt with. The standard answer we get from TII is while it has reports noted on its register and it knows that particular areas are black spots and dangerous, it has to prioritise because it does not have sufficient funding. In rural Ireland, in particular, people are concerned. We see a flood of money for walkways and cycleways when a couple of kilometres down the road, there might be a very dangerous junction to which no priority is given. How does the Minister of State propose to deal with that?

One thing we announced towards the end last year, and which TII is progressing, is a specific road safety intervention fund for, say, specific junctions or identified areas with specific road safety concerns. A TII team is actively working on that fund. There is a specific fund to support road safety interventions. I know that is a concern in certain communities where, as the Deputy said, there have been multiple collisions or accidents and an intervention is required. There is a fund there within the overall TII envelope to support road safety interventions and junctions that have a particular issue. There is an active team working on that and we can circulate more information to the committee. The Deputy is correct that engineering and road investment are additional components in the overall mix of priorities that make a difference from a road safety perspective.

Part of the reduction in road fatalities since the period prior to the road safety strategy in the late 1990s was due to the investment in our motorway network and in national primary roads, which have a much better safety record than we saw with the historical network. That is something we are doing. There are specific allocations in the context of protection of renewal allocations and a safety intervention fund with TII to support interventions at specific junctions and specific areas where concerns have been referenced from a road safety perspective.

I accept that. It is hugely important that the Minister of State and the Department keeps in contact with TII on this.

We do, regularly.

On the fund itself, we have heard on a number of occasions from TII that it simply does not have sufficient funds to address the black spot areas. As part of this Bill and as part of this effort and the plan up to 2030 it is hugely important that we have investment and that we try in a systematic way to wipe out those black spots. I can think of numerous such places across Tipperary that need attention. The engineers have highlighted them and the message coming back is "There is no funding for it". This effort will fail unless we also prioritise that particular effort through the TII and the councils and that there is a sufficient fund. I would go so far as to say that TII should programme a plan. TII already has the information, the statistics and the data. What we need now is a plan of action.

There is actually a programme. I will ask the officials here to circulate details of this to the committee. There is a programme specifically on road safety interventions. Some of that is based on the collision data or other concerns that are flagged to them. A team of engineers is working on that and we will provide the committee with further information. I agree that it is another important component for road safety perspective, in addition to what we are doing legislatively, to have continued investment and improvement in our road network.

The Minister of State has said that the term "high collision locations" is not legally defined. TII use this on their website as a term when looking for these accident black spots - which we generally call them - so obviously TII has a definition for it. It is very easy to define the term as meaning an area where multiple collisions have occurred over a period. To me this is a real definition of what we are talking about here. With regard to the issue around whether we are making the local authority bound to it, the Minister of State is really saying that the Government is not prepared to put the money forward. This is basically what it comes down to. This is about binding to it and this is what it is doing. It is making sure that it actually happens. This is the problem we have. In Sligo recently, I was sitting in the front room of a man that looks out on the road where a woman was killed some months ago. From his front room he pointed out to me different parts of the road where accidents have occurred continually over the last two decades. Some of these accidents have been tragic where people lost their lives. This is what I am talking about. We need to have legislation that actually does something to prevent these accidents from occurring.

The main body of work we are dealing with in the legislation today is about reducing speed limits across the board everywhere. It gives the impression that the reason a lot of these collisions happen is because people are driving within the existing speed limit and that this speed limit is not low enough. When I talk to people, whether it is members of An Garda Síochána, people who work in accident and emergency, or wherever else, they tell me that the reason most of these accents occur is because people are driving well in excess of the existing speed limit, not within it. Yet the Government is coming forward with legislation the main focus of which is reducing the existing speed limit. This is where we differ. We are on the same page about preventing the accidents from occurring and trying to deal with this situation but the big problem is that the Government's legislation is singularly focused on reducing speed limits in the context where the reason a lot of these accidents occur is that people - often with intoxication or other reasons - are driving well in excess of those speed limits. We do not have appropriate measures of enforcement and have seen the Garda roads policing units cut so much over the years. That is really the problem and it is why I brought these particular amendments. We need to deal with the situation of high-collision locations where a lot of accidents happen. We need to have the teeth in legislation to ensure that local authorities or TII actually go in there to do the work to make these roads safer for people to travel on.

On the points raised previously, I echo the sentiment around secondary roads where speed limits are probably in and around 80 km/h. We have seen the statistics that more than 70% of fatalities are on these secondary roads and that they occur frequently on weekends. That does not get away from the response the Government is taking in respect of TII's evaluation around black spots but unless there is sufficient funding to support engineering solutions and infrastructure solutions, we will certainly continue to have these fatalities. Is there a commitment in this year's Estimates for increased funding towards engineering solutions for accident black spots? Will the local authorities be sufficiently supported through the national road design offices to implement these?

On today's topic, have any innovations or recommendations been put forward by the Medical Bureau of Road Safety with regard to deterrents around drink driving and drug driving? We heard previously of the development of an alcohol ignition interlock system. Is this something the Government is looking to pilot or are they planning to implement it on a voluntary basis? Is this something we may see into the future? Are there other areas around drug testing the Government will look to implement, be it in the workplace or within the public service?

I would just like to add to what other members have said. As I see it in my constituency, I would largely find that the problem is people not adhering to existing speed limits. When I drive within the speed limit on certain roads I am still going far in excess of what is safe. There are other roads, such as my housing estate, where if I was to drive within the speed limit a bicycle could pass me out. When this legislation was going through earlier Stages, the Minister of State spoke about the discretion local authorities would have. Will the Minister of State elaborate on that? Most modern roads are very well designed and of a standard that could work very well for the measures we are talking about here. There are, however, many other instances where that does not work as well.

I am reminded that if I am to intervene as the Chair to speak on an amendment I must cede the role of Chair. I will withdraw that contribution and will allow the meeting to continue. I have plenty of access to the Minister of State outside the meeting anyway so I will withdraw the intervention. Perhaps the Minister of State will respond to the other members, just to allow for the smooth flow of the meeting and I can catch him later on.

Deputy Kenny raised the issue of people driving in excess of the speed limit. If we take a local rural road that has speed limit currently of 80 km/h and there is a pedestrian or cyclist on that particular road, even if a driver is within the speed limit it is completely inappropriate for that road as it is currently engineered. This is where a lot of the issues and the deaths are occurring. We are trying to bring it down to a safer baseline. At the moment with the speed limit at 80 km/h even if people go near it this is not the appropriate speed limit for that particular road. On Deputy Crowe's question, this is setting the default baseline and having a safer default baseline as a national position. Councillors in every local authority will make changes, and will work with the engineers, and the guidance will reflect that, so there is a sensible and practical outworking of this. If a really well engineered, modern, national secondary road can be at 100 km/h, then they will recommended it as 100 km/h.

We are not trying to stop that where it is safe to do so and they can revise it upwards. Similarly, when it comes to local rural roads, there would probably be very few of them. They tend to be side roads where people are living in housing, particularly in rural areas. As it was referred to, it is the road with the grass growing up the middle. Very few of them will be revised upwards to 80 km/h. Again, we are deciding the national framework with the default base. It is better as a national position from a road safety perspective to have a safer default baseline. That allows for local authorities, with councillors, to revise upwards where they deem it appropriate or vote to do so, which is a devolved function under the legislation.

I agree that enforcement is an issue currently and it needs to improve. I have reflected that to the Commissioner and we engage regularly with An Garda Síochána. For all of our existing laws and the laws we are trying to enact to function and work, there has to be stronger levels of enforcement. We regularly raise that.

Turning to the issue of the interventions being made, Deputies Kenny and Lowry raised the issues of the high collision locations. We will circulate a note. There is an improved funding position when it comes to direct road safety interventions on junctions for 2024. We will circulate the detail on that to the committee. TII might have a “high collision” definition on its website but that is not in primary legislation. We have to define everything in road traffic legislation and it is not defined there. We all want the same outcome. A number of interventions are being made this year. Where there are repeated collisions and concerns, local authorities will work with TII to remedy those. There are some roads where there are collisions but there is reckless speeding. There are parts of our road network in certain parts of the country where it is a behavioural issue. That is the other issue going on.

To respond to Deputy Dillon, I have given the context on how the speed limit process will work. In Mayo, if there is a new national secondary road that has been recently upgraded to where it is safe to stay at 100 km/h, the councillors can revise it upwards under the speed limit process in the review. It is a practical outworking of that. We are better to have a safer default baseline and for it to work like that rather than the current system where everything is left at a higher limit, particularly on the local rural roads. We see the 80 km/h roads. I am in Mayo often myself and I see some of the very rural roads with 80 km/h speed limits. Anyone going near that limit would be in a ditch. It is a cultural message as well. We are saying it is okay to go on the edge of the limit on roads that are completely inappropriate for that and this reform will change that. That is the biggest change. The biggest part of our network is the rural local roads, as members know.

We are due to a get a report from the Medical Bureau of Road Safety, MBRS, on alcolocks. We hope to progress that further with trials. The MBRS has put extensive work into how we can pilot and scale that. We are due to get a report on it shortly.

We are constantly engaged with An Garda Síochána on enforcement. Looking at the aftermath, one person per hour was arrested for drink- or drunk-driving before Christmas. There were enforcement levels but many people were ignoring the law and taking the risk. We are working with the RSA and the Garda to widen the message and awareness around road safety issues. That is an ongoing piece of work.

Does Deputy Kenny wish to press amendment No. 2?

In the context of what we heard from the Minister of State, things are happening and things will improve, and that is fine. However, I am not hearing that the commitment is there to deliver. In that context, I am pressing the amendment.

Amendment put:
The Committee divided: Tá, 3; Níl, 7.

  • Kenny, Martin.
  • O'Rourke, Darren.
  • Smith, Duncan.

Níl

  • Chambers, Jack.
  • Costello, Patrick.
  • Crowe, Cathal.
  • Dillon, Alan.
  • Higgins, Emer.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • O'Connor, James.
Amendment declared lost.

There was a small technical glitch. I will again read the result of the division into the record. It is Tá, three, and Níl, seven. The question is lost.

I move amendment No. 3:

In page 7, between lines 17 and 18, to insert the following:

“4. Where a person is convicted of being unfit to operate a mechanically propelled vehicle as defined under the Act of 2010, the penalty points applied for this offence shall be no less than 5 penalty points, where this is the first conviction of the offence of being unfit to operate a mechanically propelled vehicle.”.

The amendment relates to the penalty point situation for people who are intoxicated. As we said, it is a serious issue in many road traffic collisions, particularly where speeding is a factor. When Professor Denis Cusack from the MBRS appeared before the committee, he made it clear that intoxication is the big factor. He also made it clear, and we have heard this from many different places, that the fear of being caught is one of the biggest impacts on all of this. In addition, the penalty needs to be more severe, particularly for first-time offenders. Campaigners in the area of road safety have also made that clear. That is the reason I tabled the amendment. As I said previously, whatever argument there may be around the reduction in speed limits, so many other issues are a factor in all of this. We should use the legislation to deal with at least some aspect of those other issues, especially in respect of penalty points. In that context, I will press the amendment.

I thank the Deputy for tabling the amendment. We are talking about people who drive or attempt to drive when they are knowingly medically unfit to drive. This is a serious matter and, unlike most penalty point offences, is not a fixed-charge offence. Incidentally, this provision is included under section 48 of the 1961 Act. The reference to the 2010 Act in the Deputy's amendment relates to a 2010 amendment to a Schedule to the 1961 Act, which happens to reference section 48, where provision is made for the offence to go straight to court. For someone accused under this provision, the penalty for a first offence is a fine of up to €1,000 and up to one month in prison. For a second and subsequent offence, there is a fine of up to €2,000 and up to three months in prison.

Penalty points are set out in the first Schedule to the Road Traffic Act 2002. Any change to the points must be made by amending that Schedule. This is because the power to endorse points on a person's record is legally tied to that Schedule. If we were to agree to what the amendment proposes, we would have two different sets of points for the same offence under the law: three points under the 2002 Act and five points as outlined in the proposed amendment. The new proposal for five points could not be endorsed on the person's record as it is not in the Schedule to the 2002 Act. The existing three points referenced in the Schedule could not be endorsed because they would, arguably, be superseded by the points the amendment references and, in the end, the person would get no points. I know that is not what the Deputy intends by the amendment. However, the proposal to deal with one penalty point offence in isolation would not achieve what he wants; rather, it would be the opposite. I invite him to withdraw the amendment. As I said, this is in the context of the offence not being a fixed-charge offence, and where it presently goes to court.

Will the Minister consider this on Report Stage?

What we have tried to do in this context is ensure the offence be something that goes directly to court. We are reforming the penalty points system through the other amendments I referenced, but the proposal as the Deputy outlined it would defeat the original Schedule. Obviously, that would not work. That is the position.

I accept that. I withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Amendment No. 4 has been ruled out of order. That was communicated to Deputy Kenny yesterday.

Amendment No. 4 not moved.

I move amendment No. 5:

In page 7, between lines 17 and 18, to insert the following:

“4. Where a speed limit review has been initiated by the responsible local authority, the review shall be completed no later than 120 days from the day of review commencement.”

Before we proceed with the vote, as I notified to the clerk to the committee yesterday, I have to go to another meeting around now. A substitute member will vote for me, but we will need agreement to appoint a new chair for the remainder of this meeting. The members all look very eager.

Deputy Alan Dillon took the Chair.
Amendment put:
The Committee divided: Tá, 3; Níl, 7.

  • Kenny, Martin.
  • O'Rourke, Darren.
  • Smith, Duncan.

Níl

  • Chambers, Jack.
  • Costello, Patrick.
  • Dillon, Alan.
  • Higgins, Emer.
  • Lowry, Michael.
  • McAuliffe, Paul.
  • O'Connor, James.
Amendment declared lost.
Section 4 agreed to.
Sections 5 to 12, inclusive, agreed to.
NEW SECTIONS

Amendments Nos. 6 and 10 are related and will be discussed together.

I move amendment No. 6:

In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following:

“Amendment of section 3 of Act of 1961

13. Section 3(1) of the Act of 1961 is amended by the insertion of the following definition:

“ ‘powered personal transporter’ means a vehicle—

(a) designed and constructed for the carriage of a single person, but not designed or constructed for a person with restricted mobility or for the carriage of goods,

(b) with a maximum weight unladen of 25 kilograms,

(c) with a maximum design speed of no less than 6 kilometres per hour and no greater than 25 kilometres per hour, and

(d) equipped with an electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power, or electric motors having a combined maximum continuous rated power, of less than or equal to 0.5 kilowatts, but not including a vehicle referred to in paragraph (b) of the definition of pedal bicycle or in paragraph (b) of the definition of pedal tricycle;”.”.

One of the most important elements of last year's Road Traffic and Roads Act is the creation of a new class of vehicles to be called powered personal transporters, PPTs. This class will include electric scooters but also has the potential to include other forms of micromobility in the future. The PPT provisions of the 2023 Act have yet to be commenced and we hope to bring them into effect in May, along with regulations for the construction equipment and use of e-scooters. The definition of a PPT contained in the 2023 Act relies on three parameters, which are maximum unladen weight, maximum design speed and maximum continuous rate of power. These are parameters for PPTs as a class. It was also made clear that particular types of PPT within this class might have more restricted limits. For this reason, the 2023 Act added a new power for the Minister to prescribe different values for each of these parameters for particular classes of PPTs. This was intended to allow, for example, that regulations might state that a particular type of vehicle that came within the scope of the definition of a PPT must nonetheless have a lower weight.

It has since been brought to the Department's attention that the wording of this regulation-making power, allowing for different values for each parameter, could in principle allow a Minister to set higher values than those in the Act. That would mean allowing a Minister to bring vehicles into the scope of the definition of PPTs which were not made PPTs by the Oireachtas, which, by extension, would mean that the Minister would bring the vehicles within the scope of offences for these, again without the Oireachtas having decided this. It was never the intention to set higher values than those in the Act. However, the fact that these provisions allow for that is, in itself, problematic.

As it happens, section 11 of the Road Traffic Act 1961 provides powers under which values can be set for vehicles, by definition now including PPTs for design and continuous rate of power. These powers are available to use if needed to set values for particular types of PPT which are lower than those in the Act. The only parameter which cannot be set at a lower level than that in the Act by means of pre-existing legal powers is weight. At present, we have no intention of setting lower weights for any class of PPTs. We, therefore, propose to remove the ministerial power to set different values to those in the definition of PPT and to remove and restate the definition of PPT without the reference currently there to the powers that we are removing.

The result will be that the definition of a PPT will be as agreed and legislated for by the Oireachtas last year but that it will no longer be a power, which might theoretically be used by the Minister to set higher values and thereby turn something which was not a PPT, according to the intention of the Oireachtas, into a PPT.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendments Nos. 7 to 9, inclusive, are related, and will be discussed together.

I move amendment No. 7:

In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following:

“Amendment of section 38 of Act of 1961

14. Section 38 of the Act of 1961 is amended by the insertion of the following subsection after subsection (7):

“(7A) Subsections (1), (2), (3), (4) and (5) shall not apply in relation to a mechanically propelled vehicle that is a bicycle or tricycle capable of propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a person or persons seated on it, and equipped with an auxiliary electric motor—

(a) which has a maximum continuous rated power greater than 0.25 kilowatts but less than or equal to 1 kilowatt, and

(b) the output of which cuts off when the physical exertions stop and before, or when, the bicycle or tricycle reaches the speed of 25 kilometres per hour.”.”.

As part of promoting micromobility, last year, we legislated to clear up the confusion which many people found existed in the law on electric bikes. E-bikes have a great deal to offer as a means of mobility for many people and the lack of clarity in the law was proving to be a deterrent to their uptake. To address this, we brought in new legal definitions last year to set a clear dividing line between higher and lower-powered e-bikes. Under these new measures, we amended the definitions of a pedal cycle and tricycle in the Road Traffic Acts to include vehicles with an auxiliary motor with a continuous rate of power of 0.25 kW or lower, where the output of the motor cuts out when pedalling stops and where the output of the motor progressively reduces and cuts off before the speed of the vehicle reaches 25 km/h. These light e-bikes are therefore treated in the law as bicycles. They can go where bicycles can go, do what bicycles can do, and do not need tax, insurance or a driving licence.

Higher-powered e-bikes are, by contrast, mechanically propelled vehicles. They are, in effect, electric mopeds, and need a licence, tax and insurance. Since passing this legislation last year, it has come to our attention that there is a matter which needs to be rectified. There is a class of electric bike categorised as L1e-A in EU law. These e-bikes have a continuous rated power of up to 1 kW and therefore come above the threshold to be treated in law as bicycles. They are mechanically propelled vehicles in Irish law, which means they have to have registration and tax like other mechanically propelled vehicles. On the other hand, in EU law, they fall below the threshold for vehicles which require registration and tax. L1e-A vehicles are exempted under EU law from the requirement to have a driving licence. It is open to member states to require a driving licence for use of vehicles of this type but it is not necessary. If we required a licence for these particular vehicles, there would have to be a driver's test for them. The RSA has informed us that this could prove dangerous, as the vehicle undergoing the test would have to be accompanied by a vehicle with an examiner. The combination of two vehicles at slow speeds, which do not go above 25 km/h, could cause significant safety hazards.

Our difficulty here is that in the law as it stands, section 38 of the Road Traffic Act 1961 would require people to have a driving licence to drive an L1e-A bike. We are, therefore, amending that section to remove this requirement. We are also making two consequential amendments to sections 40 and 41 of the 1961 Act. These sections relate to a production of a driving licence to a garda and giving a signature to a garda in conjunction with verifying a licence when produced. Obviously, we need to make sure that these powers will not apply in the case of L1e-A bikes since they will not have a driving licence.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 8:

In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following:

“Amendment of section 40 of Act of 1961

15. Section 40 of the Act of 1961 is amended by the insertion of the following subsection after subsection (9):

“(9A) This section does not apply in relation to a mechanically propelled vehicle referred to in section 38(7A).”.”.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 9:

In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following:

“Amendment of section 41 of Act of 1961

16. Section 41 of the Act of 1961 is amended by the insertion of the following subsection after subsection (2):

“(3) This section does not apply in relation to a mechanically propelled vehicle referred to in section 38(7A).”.”.

Amendment agreed to.

I move amendment No. 10:

In page 10, after line 24, to insert the following:

“Amendment of section 16 of Act of 2023

15. Section 16 of the Act of 2023 is amended—

(a) by the substitution of “Section 3(1)” for “Section 3”, and

(b) by the deletion of paragraphs (e) and (g).”.

Amendment agreed to.
Section 13 and 14 agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported with amendment.
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