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Special Committee on the Companies (No. 2) Bill, 1987 díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 20 Dec 1989

SECTION 48.

Amendments Nos. 71 and 72 not moved.

I move amendment No. 73:

In page 49, subsection (9), line 7, after "directors", where it secondly occurs, to insert ", but the making of a notification by a person under this section shall not, in itself, be proof that the person making the notification is a shadow director".

The aim of amendment No. 73 is to try to introduce some element of certainty into section 48 (9) which I feel needs clarification. The difficulty is that section 48 (9) of the Bill requires shadow directors to declare their interest in a company and section 53 (5) requires the company in turn to enter any information received on their register of directors' interests. However, any other provision of the Bill which applies to shadow directors generally involves prohibitions of one sort or another; for example, restrictions on loans to directors under Part III or actions which can be taken against such people, for example, fraudulent trading under section 116. They do not place duties on shadow directors as section 48 does. In the other cases I have mentioned, however, the prosecution or plaintiff would have to prove on the facts of the case that a person was a shadow director.

When we come to a duty being placed on a shadow director, however, as in section 48, what we are effectively doing is asking a person to come forward and say that he is a shadow director. That might be seen as inequitable in that to cover themselves many people might unnecessarily have to declare an interest just to be on the safe side. If people had to state that they were such shadow directors this might be seen as amounting to an admission by them that they were such directors for all the purposes of the Bill. What I am thinking of with amendment No. 73, therefore, is that a notification by a shadow director of an interest under section 48 may be made without prejudice to whether he is, in fact, such a director. In other words, it is not to be taken as an admission by the person concerned that he is such a director. I think it is worth-while introducing this kind of clarification to the section and I commend it to the committee accordingly.

Amendment agreed to.
Question proposed: "That section 48, as amended, stand part of the Bill."

Will the Minister tell us the main changes in section 48 without reading his whole brief?

I will tell the Deputy two of the main changes. I am not suggesting that that is an exhaustive list. The principal change, it is fair to say, that section 48 seeks to bring about is it tries to get away from this nominee shareholder system that operates at present and that is one of the big weaknesses in section 190 of the 1963 Act; that section allows nominee shareholding without disclosure of the beneficial interest underlying the nominee. Of course it is very very widely availed of, as the Deputy will know. One of the other changes is to get rid of the not terribly important exemption which was in section 190 (12) of the 1963 Act. I could give the Deputy a brief run down. It is only a page or so of the section.

I do not want to hold up things. This is all information about the beneficial ownership of shares which, in turn, then has to be incorporated in the register.

This is cross referenced right through to section 53. Is that right or is this independent? Has it any other use?

The section lays down who shall disclose and all the rest of it. The later sections define the nature of the interests which have to be disclosed and go into some detail in doing that. This provides that certain people shall disclose certain things and the subsequent sections then define what these things are and how they will do it.

This means in effect that the ultimate personal ownership of every share in every company in Ireland will now be publicly available information.

No. The section applies only to the shareholdings of directors and the secretary. The 1963 Act did the same.

Question put and agreed to.
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