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Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 26 May 2004

Wednesday, 26 May 2004

Ceisteanna (17, 18)

Jerry Cowley

Ceist:

36 Dr. Cowley asked the Minister for Health and Children the action he has taken on the recently released feasibility study report into an all-Ireland helicopter emergency medical service; if he has met the Minister for Defence as he indicated he would; if he has taken steps to ensure the construction of the badly needed heliport at Beaumont Hospital in Dublin; if he can indicate, in view of the positive recommendation for a one-helicopter inter-hospital helicopter emergency medical service, when this badly needed service will be made available by him; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15462/04]

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Jerry Cowley

Ceist:

75 Dr. Cowley asked the Minister for Health and Children if, in view of the study undertaken on aviation transfer by the Air Corps to Beaumont Hospital, Dublin, he will discuss with the Department of Defence the way in which a report (details supplied) impacts on the Air Corps air ambulance service; his views on the way in which the HEMS report recommendations for dedicated inter-hospital HEMS may be implemented. [13475/04]

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Freagraí ó Béal (37 píosaí cainte)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 36 and 75 together.

My Department and the Department of Health, Social Services and Public Safety, Belfast, DHSSPS, commissioned a feasibility study and report on the costs and benefits associated with the introduction of a dedicated helicopter emergency medical service, HEMS, for the island of Ireland. The decision to commission the study followed a recommendation by a cross-Border working group on pre-hospital emergency care, one of a number of groups established under the North-South Ministerial Council to examine areas of North-South co-operation in the health field.

The report of the consultants appointed to undertake the study was published on 30 April 2004 and is available on my Department's website. The study identifies possible roles for a helicopter emergency medical service, HEMS, a primary response which will travel directly to the scene of an incident to take the patient to hospital or an inter-hospital response which is the planned, rapid transfer between hospital of patients requiring specialist care, escorted by skilled professionals. The study concludes that an inter-hospital transfer service would be the most appropriate in an all-island context. It indicates that this would involve significant capital investment and annual operating costs. The estimated cost is €12 million capital and €4 million annual operating costs for a single helicopter. Additional helicopters could be added with an additional annual cost for each aircraft of over €3 million.

A three-year programme of work would be needed to establish HEMS, including procurement of aircraft, identifying and constructing landing sites, developing cross-Border communications and control systems, producing service protocols and cross-Border management agreements, staff recruitment and training, and arrangements for integration with existing hospital and ambulance services.

An air ambulance service is currently provided for health boards by the Air Corps on a request and availability basis. The Air Corps provides this service subject to the nature of the mission, available aircraft and other operational commitments. Air Corps helicopters operate from airports and, where available and deemed safe, hospital helipads. Most transfers are airport to airport with onward transfer by land ambulance. The service is well regarded and appreciated by those in the health service who avail of it.

The reconfiguration of acute hospital services along the lines proposed by the national task force on medical staffing — the Hanly report — underlines the importance of having a well organised ambulance service capable of responding rapidly to the needs of emergency patients. While the study shows that a HEMS would have a part to play in providing improved response times, it is not a substitute for the emergency ambulance service.

My Department is exploring options in relation to HEMS development in light of the study. As part of this exercise, it has initiated discussions with the Department of Defence and the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources. Policy on the development of emergency medical services in Ireland is set out in a number of documents, including Quality and Fairness — A Health System for You; Building Healthier Hearts, the Government's cardiovascular health strategy; the strategic review of the ambulance service 2001; and the national task force on medical staffing — Hanly report.

Funding provided by my Department in recent years has facilitated significant advancements in the development of the ambulance service in line with the recommendations of these reports, including a major upgrading in training and standards; the equipping of emergency ambulances with defibrillators and the training of ambulance personnel in their use; the introduction of two-person crewing; and an upgrading of the ambulance fleet and equipment and improvements in communication equipment and control operations.

The strategic review of the ambulance service 2001 report, which forms the basis for the development of pre-hospital emergency medical services into the future, identifies aspects of the current emergency ambulance service which need to be addressed to bring it into line with best international practice to ensure effective and quality driven practices. The review recommended an additional investment of €26 million up to 2006 in the ambulance service, and my Department will continue to pursue this as a priority.

The report recommends that the service be developed at a number of levels. Principal among the proposed developments are the elimination of on-call as a means of providing emergency cover, improved fleet reliability and the roll-out of the emergency medical technician-advanced, EMT-A, programme.

The elimination of on-call is designed to facilitate further improvement in response times. I was pleased to be in a position to provide funding in excess of €3 million in the current year to facilitate the continuing phasing out of on-call in a number of regions. This is a programme which I hope to be in a position to extend.

My Department also provided additional capital funding of €2.5 million in December 2003 to enable the boards and authorities to continue with fleet and equipment replacement programmes which are essential prerequisites for enhanced speedy and appropriate care.

In addition I announced policy approval for the development of the emergency medical technician-advanced, EMT-A, programme. Considerable work has been undertaken by the pre-hospital emergency care council in conjunction with my Department in preparing the legislation necessary to give effect to the introduction of this programme. Funding of €500,000 has been allocated to the council to facilitate the roll-out of the training element of the programme in the current year.

Nobody has ever said that this is a substitute for the ground ambulance system which seems to be the implication being made. Everybody wants this, including the ambulance association. There are cases where time is of the essence and one needs the assistance of HEMS or a helicopter intensive care unit. The Minister must be ashamed when going to Europe that Ireland is the only country that does not have this service, either in the North or the South. The recent report refers to the Hanly report. Does the Minister agree that such a service is a necessity? I would like to hear his views on whether he considers this should be a dedicated service. The lack of it is the problem.

The Minister referred to his Department having discussions with the Department of Defence and the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources. What is the point of having such discussions? We have an Air Corps service, but the problem is that it is not dedicated. The equipment the Air Corps helicopters carry reflect the Air Corps' multi-purpose role. It takes the Air Corps 12.25 hours to arrive at a hospital to pick up a patient. The report of the ambulance review recommended the service I propose. It is not intended as a substitute but as an essential part of the ambulance service. It is the missing link in that.

I have met Ministers for Health and Children going back to the former Minister, Deputy Noonan, and I have also met the current Minister in this regard. I also met Bairbre de Brún. The provision of a North-South emergency care body is covered under the Good Friday Agreement and the Council of Ministers recommended the commissioning of this report. Two years later the Minister has the report. He should put his hand into the wound like the doubting Thomas he is. He should not mind what his officials say. They are not the people who would benefit from this service.

The report recommends we need this service and that it could be provided at a cost of €16 million, €12 million being the cost of the aircraft and €4 million being the cost to run it. Does the Minister not consider that the logical course of action is to provide this service? He could arrange for it to be provided tomorrow. A helipad is required at Beaumont. I would like to know when that will be provided.

Why is the Minister not providing this service immediately? Its provision is essential. He could make a great name for himself by providing it. Lives are being lost under the existing service. An injured patient of mine had to lie in a field and is now paralysed for life because his general practitioner was expecting a helicopter service to assist his patient which did not arrive because we do not have HEMS. That man is in a wheelchair. What would the Minister say to him? The €52 million the Government wasted on the introduction of electronic voting could have covered the cost of the introduction of this helicopter service for the whole country twice or three times over. How does the Minister rationalise such spending?

Capital investment can always be found. It is always the current ongoing cost that is the issue.

That is something we well know.

Whether it is capital money to cover the cost of electronic voting, to purchase helicopters or to build hospitals——

The running cost of this service at €4 million a year is not an issue.

Capital investment is an issue and there are limits to such expenditure every year, but the obvious issue in terms of sustainability is the annual operating costs of a service. It is worth talking to the Department of Defence in this regard.

Because it has been providing a service and in the interim——

In the interim people are dying.

——we need perhaps to formalise that service in terms of a service level contract.

That is not a dedicated service; that is the point.

There were 96 missions in 2003 involving the Dauphin and Alouette, Casa, Beech, Cessna and X61 aircraft. The missions took a total of 240 hours. The report states that the hospital secondary transfer is probably the recommended option, not necessarily flying to the scene of an accident.

That is not what the Minister said.

The Deputy suggested that in his illustration. Within the resources I have there is still a need to further upgrade the ambulance fleet on the ground.

(Interruptions).

I am taking the following approach. We are entering into discussions with the Department of Defence and the Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, under the aegis of which is the Irish Coastguard service. I am prioritising in the interim the upgrading of the ambulance fleet——

That has been done for years. The ambulance crew do a wonderful job but they would also agree with what I propose.

—— its capital expenditure, the elimination of the on-call service, the introduction of two person crewing, and also the EMTA training programme, which I regard as the ultimate priority going forward.

It is long overdue.

We are going through the legal issues pertaining to the administration of drugs. I provided funding for the training programme. There is an issue concerning the legality of delegating authority under legislation, once the education programmes are completed, to facilitate the ambulance personnel — the emergency medical technicians — administering certain drugs to patients.

A ground ambulance crew cannot fly.

I accept that.

When speed is of the essence and children are dying of meningococcal meningitis——

The Deputy should hold on there.

That happened in the north-west and the south-west. Children have died in ambulances because of delays encountered by ambulances trying to overtake traffic. When speed is of the essence, nothing will assist except HEMS. That is what the report states. The Minister should not be a doubting Thomas.

I am not a doubting Thomas.

The Minister has the report. He said he would think about this if he had the report. Now he has the report and he should deal with it. He is responsible for health. I demand that he does that, as do my patients and every single frontline organisation. It is time he worked on this. We can have no more fudge on this. We need HEMS and we need it now.

With respect, I am not fudging. I am being straight and telling the Deputy that I will prioritise the modernisation of the Irish ambulance fleet on the ground, which is important. We have done significant work in that regard in recent years.

The ambulance personnel would agree, but even they say that ground ambulance crew cannot fly and that is why we need HEMS.

The Minister referred to the advanced training programme for ambulance personnel and said he had allocated funding for it. Has that training programme commenced and has it been rolled out nationally?

The training has not started yet but it is due to begin.

Will that include all ambulance personnel throughout the country?

It will over time.

Is the Minister aware of the current deficiencies in the ambulance service? Irrespective of what is stated in the Hanly report and whatever training is required, will he ensure that the provision of the basic infrastructure of a decent ambulance service is available throughout the country? Even today in south Wicklow in my constituency I had great difficulty calling an ambulance for an elderly patient. The basic infrastructure for this service is not available in south Wicklow. We do not have sufficient ambulances. What will the Minister do about that?

That issue is my priority. That is what I said. We have made great progress——

Not in my area.

——since 2001, particularly since the strategic review was published, in investment in the fleet. I managed to secure additional funding this year in what was a tight year in budgetary terms for the upgrading of the fleet — last year we allocated €2.5 million for fleet enhancement — and funding for the elimination of the on-call service, which will improve response times and so forth. I am mindful that if we allocate minor capital funding before a certain day, we will be accused of all sorts of things. I intend this year to again prioritise upgrading of the fleet on the ground. I will look into the situation in Wicklow.

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