Tuesday, 20 February 2007

Ceisteanna (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35)

Tony Gregory

Ceist:

91 Mr. Gregory asked the Minister for Health and Children the reason she has not taken urgent action to ensure that nurses are treated equitably in hospitals here as regards their working week and their remuneration; her views on the fact that there is a 75% drain of nurses out of Ireland post graduation who are lost to this State due to the working conditions pertaining for them and who cost the State at least €80,000 to qualify; and her views on the fact that dialogue is urgently needed for a resolution of the situation. [6210/07]

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Ciarán Cuffe

Ceist:

95 Mr. Cuffe asked the Minister for Health and Children her views on the INO proposal to increase the pay of nurses; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6298/07]

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Arthur Morgan

Ceist:

99 Mr. Morgan asked the Minister for Health and Children the discussions she has had regarding the proposed industrial action by members of the Irish Nurses’ Organisation and the Psychiatric Nurses Association; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6289/07]

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Tom Hayes

Ceist:

105 Mr. Hayes asked the Minister for Health and Children the status of talks with the Irish Nurses’ Organisation and the Psychiatric Nurses Association; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6198/07]

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Seán Ryan

Ceist:

115 Mr. S. Ryan asked the Minister for Health and Children her plans, in view of the fact that 40,000 plus members of the INO and PNA plan industrial action and in view of the disruption this will cause to the health service, to address their member’s substantial grievances; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6278/07]

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Olivia Mitchell

Ceist:

116 Ms O. Mitchell asked the Minister for Health and Children the steps she will take to ensure that industrial action is avoided with the Irish Nurses’ Organisation and the Psychiatric Nurses Association; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6199/07]

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Olivia Mitchell

Ceist:

128 Ms O. Mitchell asked the Minister for Health and Children the steps she has taken to address the concerns of the Irish Nurses’ Organisation and the Psychiatric Nurses Association; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6200/07]

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Bernard J. Durkan

Ceist:

361 Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Health and Children the extent to which she proposes to address the issues raised by the nursing organisations; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6516/07]

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Bernard J. Durkan

Ceist:

365 Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Health and Children the extent to which she has met or expects to meet with the nursing organisations with a view to addressing the issues raised at an early date; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6520/07]

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Bernard J. Durkan

Ceist:

366 Mr. Durkan asked the Minister for Health and Children the extent to which she expects be in a position to meet the issues raised by the nursing organisations having particular regard to the need to achieve industrial peace and ensure the delivery of services to the public; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [6521/07]

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Freagraí scríofa (Ceist ar Minister for Health and Children)

I propose to take Questions Nos. 91, 95, 99, 105, 115, 116, 128, 361, 365 and 366 together.

The issues of nurses' pay and working hours have been fully processed through the State's industrial relations structures and procedures — the Labour Relations Commission and the Labour Court. While health service management have accepted the Labour Court Recommendation, the Irish Nurses Organisation and Psychiatric Nurses Association state that they have neither accepted nor rejected this Recommendation and have instead served notice of industrial action. Discussions regarding impending industrial action have been led by the Health Service Executive — Employers Agency. These discussions form part of the process of established industrial relations practices and procedures. Officials from my Department have been included in these discussions as appropriate and have ensured that I have been fully briefed on the issues.

Social partnership agreements have created and sustained the conditions for economic growth over the last decade and significantly enhanced the position of employees in the public and private sector. The Government has agreed with the Irish Congress of Trade Unions a basis on which pay and conditions for the public service as a whole should be managed and the second Benchmarking Body has been established to provide an objective means of assessing the appropriate pay for particular groups or professions. However, the Irish Nurses Organisation and Psychiatric Nurses Association are refusing to co-operate with the current Benchmarking process which is reviewing the pay of public servants and is due to report in the second half of 2007. The INO and PNA have so far declined to sign up to the new national partnership agreement — Towards 2016. Instead both unions lodged eight cost increasing claims for improvements in pay and conditions. The additional cost of these claims would be almost €1 billion per annum. The Unions are also seeking retrospection estimated to cost in excess of €500m.

These claims were lodged during the lifetime of the Sustaining Progress Agreement which prohibited cost increasing claims. Both unions had signed up to Sustaining Progress and their members had received increases of 13.16% under this agreement, in addition to Benchmarking increases of between 8% and 16%.

The claims lodged by the Unions were the subject of an in depth examination by the Labour Court which issued its Recommendation last November. The Court did not recommend concession of the major cost increasing pay claims. Instead the Court urged the Unions concerned to reconsider their position with regard to Benchmarking so as to have their pay claims examined through that process.

In relation to the claim for a reduction in working hours from 39 to 35 hours per week, the Court recommended that the parties should jointly explore the possibility of initiating an appropriate process aimed at achieving major reorganisation of working arrangements and practices within the health service generally. The Court also stated that such an initiative should take account of and support existing development involving other groups. It held the view that if such a programme of change could be successfully implemented, the efficiencies, cost savings and other benefits accruing may allow this claim to be processed within a reasonable timeframe to be agreed between the parties.

The Benchmarking Body is due to report in the second half of the year and is in a position to review the issues that the nursing unions feel strongly about. I believe that a solution to the current dispute can be found within the context of the Labour Court Recommendation and the prevailing national agreements. In this regard I arranged for exploratory discussions to be held between all the parties concerned at the offices of the HSE-Employers Agency on 19 January 2007. While I understand the discussions provided clarity as to the respective positions of the parties the meeting adjourned without agreement on the way forward.

The Deputy will be aware that the first graduates from the nursing degree programme qualified in 2006 and the vast majority accepted posts and remain in employment in the public health service. There is no evidence to suggest that 75% of graduates have left Ireland.

It remains the Government's view that Benchmarking is the appropriate mechanism to resolve the pay issues. Management have offered to enter into discussions on an appropriate process aimed at achieving major reorganisation of working arrangements and practices within the health service generally and remain available for further discussions within the context of the Labour Court Recommendation and the prevailing national agreements. I would ask the INO and PNA to give further consideration to the Recommendation of the Labour Court and to make the case on behalf of their members, as other nursing unions have done, before the Benchmarking Body.