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Appointments to State Boards.

Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 10 October 2007

Wednesday, 10 October 2007

Ceisteanna (1, 2, 3)

Enda Kenny

Ceist:

1 Deputy Enda Kenny asked the Taoiseach the appointments made by him since June 2002 to the State Boards, or other agencies under his aegis; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [16808/07]

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Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin

Ceist:

2 Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Taoiseach the appointments made by him to State boards since June 2002; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [18784/07]

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Eamon Gilmore

Ceist:

3 Deputy Eamon Gilmore asked the Taoiseach if he will list the persons appointed to State boards or agencies operating under the aegis of his Department since 1 January 2007; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20154/07]

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Freagraí ó Béal (44 píosaí cainte)

I propose to take Question Nos. 1 to 3, inclusive, together.

The information sought by the Deputies concerning appointments made by me to State boards and agencies under the aegis of my Department since June 2002 is set out in the following schedule.

The relevant bodies are the National Statistics Board, the Law Reform Commission, the National Centre for Partnership and Performance, the National Economic and Social Council and the National Economic and Social Forum.

The schedule also lists appointments made in respect of the Second Information Society Commission, the term of office of which ended on 31 December 2004.

Boards and Agencies under the aegis of the Department of the Taoiseach

Board

1

The National Statistics Board

2

The Law Reform Commission

3

The National Centre for Partnership and Performance (NCPP)

4

The National Economic and Social Council (NESC)

5

The National Economic and Social Forum (NESF)

State Board / Agency: National Statistics Board - National Statistics Board (NSB)

Name

Occupation / Organisation

Date of Appointment

Mr. Frank Cunneen

Health & Safety Authority (IBEC)

February 2004 February 2006

Mr. Ciaran Dolan

ICMSA

February 2004 February 2006

Ms. Paula Carey

ICTU

February 2004

Ms. Mary Doyle

Department of the Taoiseach

February 2004 February 2006 July 2007

Prof. Brendan Walsh

University College Dublin

February 2004 February 2006 July 2007

Dr. Patricia O’Hara

Western Development Commission

February 2004 February 2006 July 2007

Mr. Derek Moran

Department of Finance

July 2003 February 2004 February 2006

Mr. Paul Sweeney

ICTU

October 2006 July 2007

Mr. Danny McCoy

IBEC

July 2007

Mr. Michael J. McGrath

Department of Finance

July 2007

Mr. Con Lucey

IFA

July 2007

State Board / Agency: Law Reform Commission - List of appointments to the Law Reform Commission since 2002

Name

Occupation

Date of Appointment

President

Mrs Justice Catherine McGuinness

Judge of the Supreme Court

22 February 2005

Commissioner (Full-time)

Patricia T. Rickard-Clarke,

Solicitor

15 September 1997 Reappointed 30 September 2004 Reappointed 1 September 2007

Commissioner (Part-time)

Dr. Hilary A Delaney, B.L.

Senior Lecture in Law, TCD

15 April 1997. Reappointed 15 April, 2002 Resigned May 2005

Commissioner (Part-time)

Professor Finbarr McAuley, B.C.L., LLB, Mphil, LLD,

Jean Monnet Professor of European Criminal Justice, UCD

1 September 1999. Reappointed 1 September 2004 Reappointed 1 September 2007

Commissioner (Part-time)

Marian Shanley

Solicitor

13 November 2001 Reappointed 12 November 2004 Reappointed 1 September 2007

Senior Counsel (Part-time)

Donal O’Donnell

Senior Counsel

28 June 2005 (replaced Dr. Hilary A. Delaney, BL) Reappointed 1 September 2007

State Board / Agency: National Centre for Partnership and Performance (NCPP)

Name

Occupation / Organisation

Date ofAppointment

Executive Chairperson

Mr. Peter Cassells

October 2001-April 2004 reappointed: 7 November 2005

Government Departments

Mr. Philip Kelly, Asst. Secretary Deputy Chairperson

Dept. of the Taoiseach

October 2001 reappointed: 24 January 2006

Mr. Ciaran Connolly, Asst Secretary

Dept. of Finance

October 2001 reappointed: 24 January 2006

Mr. John Walsh, Asst. Secretary

Dept. of Enterprise, Trade& Employment

June 2002 — (replaced Mr. Maurice Cashell) Reappointed: 24 January 2006

Employers

Mr. Brendan McGinty

Director, Human/Industrial Resources, IBEC

October 2001 Reappointed: 24 January 2006

Mr. Liam Doherty

Director, Human Resource Services, IBEC

October 2001 Reappointed: 24 January 2006

Mr. Gavin Marie

IBEC

replaced Mr. Liam Doherty in April 2007

Mr. Eddie Keenan

CIF

24 January 2006

Ms. Irene Canavan

Arnotts

24 January 2006

Mr. Morgan Nolan

Industrial Relations,CIF

Jan 2004 — (replaced Terry McEvoy)

Trade Unions

Mr. Fergus Whelan

Industrial Officer, ICTU

October 2003 — replaced Mr. Tom Wall Reappointed: 24 January 2006

Mr. Jerry Shanahan

AMICUS

24 January 2006

Ms. Catherine Byrne

INTO

24 January 2006

Mr. Des Geraghty

Member of Executive Council, ICTU

September 2004 — (replaced Mr John Tierney, MSF)

Mr. Gerry McCormack

SIPTU

24 January 2006

Ms Angela Kirk

IMPACT

September 2004 — (replaced Ms Marie Levis)

Mr. Sean Heading, Education & Training Services Trust has been nominated by ICTU as an alternate

Independent Members

Prof. Joyce O’Connor

National College of Ireland

24 January 2006

Ms. Dorothy Butler Scally

Human Resources Consultant

24 January 2006

Dr. Catherine Kavanagh

UCC

24 January 2006

State Board / Agency: National Economic and Social Council (NESC)

Name

Occupation / Organisation

Dates of Membership

Chairperson

Mr. Dermot McCarthy

Secretary General, Dept. of the Taoiseach

September 2003 June 2007

Deputy Chair

Ms. Mary Doyle

Assistant Secretary, Dept. of the Taoiseach

September 2003 June 2007

Trade Union Pillar

Mr. David Begg

General Secretary, ICTU

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Peter McLoone

General Secretary, IMPACT

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Manus O’Riordan

Economist, SIPTU

September 2003 June 2007

Ms. Joan Carmichael

Assistant General Secretary, ICTU

September 2003

Ms. Sally Anne Kinahan (replaced Joan Carmichael)

Assistant General Secretary, ICTU

January 2004 June 2007

Mr. Jack O’Connor

Vice President, SIPTU

September 2003 June 2007

Business and Employer or Organisation Pillar

Mr. Turlough O’Sullivan

Director General, IBEC

June 2007

Ms. Aileen O’Donoghue

Director, Financial Services Ireland

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Brian Geoghegan

Director, IBEC

September 2003

Mr. Danny McCoy(replaced Brian Geoghegan)

Director of Policy, IBEC

October 2005 June 2007

Mr. John Dunne

Chief Executive,Chambers of Commerce Ireland

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Liam Kelleher

Director General, Construction Industry Federation

September 2003 June 2007

Agricultural and Farming Organisation Pillar

Mr. Seamus O’Donoghue

Secretary, ICOS

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Ciaran Dolan

General Secretary, ICMSA

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Michael Berkery

General Secretary, IFA

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Eddie Punch

General Secretary, ICSA

June 2007

Mr. Damien McDonald

Chief Executive, Macra na Féirme

September 2003

Mr. Colm Markey

National President, Macra na Féirme

June 2007

Community and Voluntary Pillar

Fr. Sean Healy

Head of Justice Office, CORI

September 2003 June 2007

Mr. Donall Geoghegan

Programme Manager, National Youth Council

September 2002 September 2003

Mr. John Dolan

Chief Executive, Disability Federation of Ireland

September 2003 June 2007

Ms. Deirdre Garvey

Chief Executive, the Wheel

September 2003

John Mark McCafferty

Policy Officer, Saint Vincent de Paul

September 2003

Mr. Séamus Boland

Chief Executive,Irish Rural Link

June 2007

Ms. Brid O’Brien

Senior Policy Officer, Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed

June 2007

Ms. Camille Loftus

Community Platform

June 2007

Government Department Nominees

Secretary General

Dept. of Finance

September 2003 June 2007

Secretary General

Dept. of Enterprise, Trade and Employment

September 2003 June 2007

Secretary General

Dept. of Social and Family Affairs

September 2003 June 2007

Secretary General

Dept. of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources

September 2003

Secretary General

Dept. of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government

September 2003 June 2007

Secretary General

Dept. of Education and Science

June 2007

Independent Nominee

Prof. John Fitzgerald

Senior Research Officer, ESRI

September 2003

Prof. Eithne McLaughlin

Dept. of Social Policy, Queens University, Belfast

September 2003

Mr. Colin Hunt

Head of Research, Goodbody Stockbrokers

September 2003

Dr. Peter Bacon

Economic Consultant

September 2003

Prof. Brigid Laffan

Department of Politics, UCD

September 2003

Dr. Sean Barrett (replaced Colin Hunt)

Department of Economics, Trinity College

January 2005 June 2007

Mr. Con Lucey

Economist,IFA

June 2007

Prof. Peter Clinch

UCD

June 2007

Prof. Elizabeth Meehan

Queen’s University

June 2007

Terms of Office of NESC relevant to this PQ

(a) 1998 – 2001 (extended to 2002)

(b) 2003 – 2006

(c) 2007 – 2010

State Board / Agency: National Economic and Social Forum (NESF) - Full Membership 2004

Name

Occupation / Organisation

Date of Appointment

Independent Chairperson

Maureen Gaffney

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Deputy Chairperson

Mary Doyle

Asst. Sec., Dept. of the Taoiseach

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Strand (i): Oireachtas

Michael Woods

Fianna Fáil TD

Jan/Feb 2004

John Curran

Fianna Fáil TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Mary O’Rourke

Fianna Fáil

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Paschal Mooney

Fianna Fáil

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Brendan Daly

Fianna Fáil

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Geraldine Feeney

Fianna Fáil

Jan/Feb 2004

Pat Carey

Fianna Fáil TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Paul Coghlan

Fine Gael

Jan/Feb 2004

Damien English

Fine Gael TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Paul Kehoe

Fine Gael TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Joan Burton

Labour TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Willie Penrose

Labour TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Kate Walsh

Progressive Democrats

Jan/Feb 2004

Senator Feargal Quinn

Independents

Jan/Feb 2004

Jerry Cowley

Technical Group TD

Jan/Feb 2004

Strand (ii): Employer/Trade Unions

Employer/Business Organisations

Jackie Harrison

IBEC

January/February 2004

Maria Cronin

IBEC

October/November 2004 (replaced Jackie Harrison)

Tony Donohue

IBEC

September 2006 (replaced Maria Cronin) May 2007

Heidi Lougheed

IBEC

January/February 2004 May 2007

Patricia Callan

Small Firms Association

January/February 2004 May 2007

Kevin Gilna

Construction Industry Federation

January/February 2004

Dr. Peter Stafford

Construction Industry Federation

replace Kevin Gilna Oct 05 May 2007

Robert O’ Shea

Chambers of Commerce/Tourist Industry/Exporters Association

January/February 2004

Sean Murphy

Chambers of Commerce/Tourist Industry/Exporters Association

replaced Robert O’ Shea Aug 05 May 2007

Trade Unions

Eamon Devoy

Technical Engineering & Electrical Union

January/February 2004 May 2007

Blair Horan

Civil & Public Service Union

January/February 2004 May 2007

Jerry Shanahan

AMICUS

January/February 2004 May 2007

Manus O’Riordan

SIPTU

January/February 2004 May 2007

Paula Carey

ICTU

January/February 2004

Esther Lynch

ICTU

Sept 2006 (Replaced Paula Carey) May 2007

Agricultural/Farming Organisations

Mary McGreal

Irish Farmers Association

Jan/Feb 2004

Michael Doody

Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Mary Johnson

Irish Co-Operative Organisation Society

Jan/Feb 2004

Carmel Brennan

Macra na Feirme

Jan/Feb 2004

Anne Murray

Irish Country Women’s Association

Jan/Feb 2004

Carmel Dawson

Irish Country Women’s Association

June 2006 (Replaced Anne Murray) May 2007

Emer Duffy

Irish Co-Operative Organisation Society

May 2007

Michael Berkery

General Secretary IFA

May 2007

Catherine Buckley

Macra na Feirme

May 2007

Strand (iii): Community & Voluntary Sector

Women’s Organisations

Orla O’Connor

National Women’s Council of Ireland

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Joanna McMinn

National Women’s Council of Ireland

Jan/Feb 2004

Unemployed

June Tinsley

INOU

Jan/Feb 2004

John Farrell

INOU

replaced June Tinsley Oct 05

Patricia Short

ICTU Centres for the Unemployed

Jan/Feb 2004

Disadvantaged

Sr. Brigid Reynolds

CORI

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

John-Mark McCafferty

Society of Saint Vincent de Paul

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Audrey Deane

Society of Saint Vincent de Paul

Nov 2004 (replaced John-Mark McCafferty)

Sharon Keane

Anti-Poverty Networks

Jan/Feb 2004

Joe Gallagher

Anti-Poverty Networks

replaced Sharon Keane Sept 05

Youth/Children

Malcolm Byrne

NYCI

Jan/Feb 2004

Marie Claire McAleer

NYCI

replaced Malcolm Byrne Sept 04

Raymond Dooley

Children’s Rights Alliance

Jan/Feb 2004

Jillian Ban Turnhout

Children’s Rights Alliance

replaced Raymond Dooley Aug 05 May 2007

Older People

Robin Webster

National Council for Ageing and Older People/Senior Citizen’s Parliament/Age Action

Jan/Feb 2004

Others

Frank Goodwin

The Carers Association

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Seamus Boland

Irish Rural Link

Jan/Feb 2004May 2007

Fergus O’Ferrall

The Wheel

Jan/Feb 2004

Ivan Cooper

The Wheel

May 2007

Brid O’ Brien

Pavee Point

Jan/Feb 2004

Aisling Walsh

Disability Federation of Ireland

Jan/Feb 2004

Joanne McCarthy

Disability Federation of Ireland

replaced Aisling Walsh in 2006 May 2007

Michael O’Halloran

Chief Executive Officer Irish Senior Citizens Parliament

May 2007

Marie Claire McAleer

National Youth Council of Ireland

May 2007

Karen Murphy

Irish Council for Social Housing Head of Services

May 2007

Frances Byrne

OPEN

May 2007

Kathleen McCann

Congress Centres Network

May 2007

Stavros Stavrou

Integrating Ireland

May 2007

Maria Joyce

National Traveller Womens Forum

May 2007

Strand (iv): Central Government, Local Government and Independents

Central Government

Secretary General

Dept. Finance

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Secretary General

Dept. Enterprise, Trade & Employment

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Secretary General

Dept. Social & Family Affairs

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Secretary General

Dept. Community, Rural & Gaeltacht Affairs

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Secretary General

Dept. Environment, Heritage & Local Government

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Local Government

Councillor John Egan

General Council of County Councils

Jan/Feb 2004

Councillor Ger Barron

General Council of County Councils

Nov 2004 (replaced Cllr. John Egan) May 2007

Councillor Patsy Treanor

General Council of County Councils

Jan/Feb 2004

Councillor Jack Crowe

General Council of County Councils

Nov 2004 (replaced Cllr Patsy Treanor)

Councillor Constance Hanniffy

General Council of County Councils

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Councillor Patricia McCarthy

Association of Municipal Authorities

Jan/Feb 2004

Donal O’Donoghue

County and City Managers Association

Jan/Feb 2004

John Tierney

County and City Managers Association

Nov 2004 (replaced Donal O’Donoghue)

Councillor Mattie Ryan

Association of County and City Councils

May 2007

Councillor Paddy O’ Callaghan

Association of Municipal Authorities of Ireland

May 2007

Councillor William Ireland

Local Authorities Members Association

May 2007

Independents

Dr Colm Harmon

Institute for the Study of Social Change, UCD

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Dr Mary P. Corcoran

Department of Sociology

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Dr Brian Nolan

ESRI

Jan/Feb 2004

Paul Tansey

Tansey, Webster, Stewart & Company Ltd.

Jan/Feb 2004

Cait Keane

South Dublin County Council

Jan/Feb 2004 May 2007

Marie Carroll

Southside Partnership

May 2007

Professor Rose Ann Kenny

TCD

May 2007

The Taoiseach said recently that membership of Fianna Fáil does not disqualify persons from being appointed to State boards. Was Mr. Joseph Burke re-appointed to the chairmanship of Dublin Port on the basis of his friendship with the Taoiseach or on the basis of merit and experience? His company specialised in refurbishing public houses and employed 16 people in north Dublin. The High Court was told the building company had substantial debts. It is no fault of anyone that a business venture fails. Was his re-appointment made on the basis of merit or because he was a friend of the Taoiseach?

Mr. Burke, as a member and chairman of the board for many years, has carried out a hugely successful reform of the port company and is recognised as having done so across all political persuasions. His appointment is made on the basis of the knowledge, expertise and experience he brings to the job. These are the qualities a person should bring to a board. There are many Fine Gael and Labour Party people on boards. Most of the people I have appointed in my Department have a political orientation but are not from my party. They are all appointed on the same criteria. Mr. Burke's appointment was made on the basis of his knowledge and expertise. The improvements in the industrial relations situation and productivity in the company and the changes he has made over many years stand up to scrutiny by anyone.

What is the position regarding Oireachtas membership of the National Economic and Social Forum? Have changes been made or are changes intended in line with the recent general election result? The technical group was represented by the former Deputy Jerry Cowley, who was not re-elected to the Dáil, and the Progressive Democrats representative was the late Senator Kate Walsh.

What is the method of selection? Is it made on a ratio basis?

Have the NESF vacancies been addressed since the general election result?

Changes will have to be made in respect of membership of the NESF to reflect current Oireachtas representation. As I understand it, that is happening or is about to happen. It was agreed earlier this year that the existing 15 Oireachtas nominees to NESF would be reappointed pending the general election following which the position would be revisited. I understand the Whip's office will shortly be in touch with the parties to seek fresh nominations for the Oireachtas strand. It must be changed based on current Oireachtas representation.

The Taoiseach said that membership of the NESF must change and that changes are pending. Is he directly involved in deciding who will fill the vacancies? The Taoiseach indicated that representatives from Fine Gael and the Labour Party will be on boards. Is he willing to consider the appointment of a Sinn Féin representative to the board of NESF as reconstituted following the general election result? There are vacancies on that board. What methodology is used in the selection of appointees? Does the Taoiseach take a direct hand in the selection and, if so, when does he expect to address this matter?

The formula used is based on party representation in the House. Fifteen Members of the House are appointed to the board and it is a straight mathematical division. I have not worked out the new formula though I have included the old one in the reply. I will examine with the Whip's office what this means for Sinn Féin.

I suppose if it is based on a formula of numbers — the Taoiseach is a man of great skill with numbers and accountancy — that suggests that perhaps we would not have automatic entitlement to one of the 15 positions. Perhaps the Taoiseach will be good enough to consider the contribution we could make.

I will consider that. To the best of my knowledge, the Technical Group was represented on the previous board, as were the Progressive Democrats and the Independents. I will look at the formula.

What changes, if any, have been made since the reformation of the Fianna Fáil Government, with the participation on this occasion of the Green Party, following the general election? Is it the case, as the Taoiseach previously stated publicly, that those selected by him for appointment to boards are his friends? Has there been any move towards the method proposed in March by the Green Party in its Appointments to Public Bodies Bill 2007, which called for an independent and transparent method of appointments to State boards? I have read the programme for Government and cannot find reference therein to any change in the method by which appointments will be made to State boards. Will the Taoiseach say if there has been any change in the method of appointment to State boards and what concession, if any, has been made in respect of the proposals contained in the Green Party's Bill introduced in the House in March of this year?

The Deputy is, of course, misrepresenting my view. I have stated many times that it is no longer easy to get people to serve on State boards, given the commitment required of them, much of the time free gratis and often for very small amounts. Appointments are based on a person's experience, expertise, willingness to serve and commitment to the organisation in which they are involved. Most appointments to organisations that come within the remit of my Department are nominees from the social partners. Appointments to organisations such as the National Statistics Board and the Law Reform Commission are limited to people with particular expertise in these areas.

There are no proposals or procedures in place to establish an independent system to examine or scrutinise appointments. Ministers and Departments try, to the best of their ability, to select the right people for positions. As I stated many times, people are no longer queueing up, as they did in the past, to participate on State boards. The current situation is different, given the legal position, governance arrangements and the commitment required. A limited number of people have the time or the commitment to get involved. That is a fact of life. We continue to manage to obtain suitable people but doing so is not near as easy as it was ten or 20 years ago.

What understanding exists between the parties in government with regard to the making of appointments to State boards? Is there an arrangement by which the smaller parties in government can make or recommend nominees for appointment to these boards?

What normally happens — this has been the case for many years — is that the relevant Department makes a nomination and that is agreed by Government. Legislation in respect of semi-State companies provides that a Minister may make a nomination which is then agreed by Government, and that is what happens. Consideration will be given to a suitable nomination by any member of Government.

Is there an understanding or agreement in terms of allocations, ratios, proportions and so on between the parties in government with regard to the making of appointments to State boards?

There is no agreement.

There is no agreement in respect of allocations, ratios and so on. The Deputy is implying that the bigger party gets X and the smaller party gets Y, but there is no such arrangement.

Will the Taoiseach confirm that neither the Green Party nor the Progressive Democrats will be consulted in advance in respect of appointments by Fianna Fáil Ministers to State boards and that they will have absolutely no say in that matter? Will he tell the House what vacancies currently exist on State boards? Will he also list those vacancies and tell us when it is intended to fill them? Will the Taoiseach clarify the question asked earlier, namely, why he forgot to appoint two directors to Aer Lingus?

I do not wish to be unhelpful to Deputy Shatter but I am answering questions in respect of boards which come under the aegis of my Department. The Government makes appointments to State boards as provided for in legislation. There is consultation with Government in respect of nominations by Ministers, but ultimately the decision is made by the Minister. Much depends on what is provided for in the relevant legislation.

The Taoiseach did not respond to my question regarding what vacancies currently exist on State boards. I think the Chief Whip is falling for the Taoiseach.

He is falling off the job.

We are anxious not to have a Dublin South constituency accident if by-elections are to be avoided.

Will the Taoiseach list what positions are currently vacant on State boards? In the context of the Taoiseach's expression of concern in respect of the difficulty of finding suitable people to sit on boards because of the governance provisions and the time commitment, does the Government plan to review the remuneration payable to members appointed to State boards?

I do not think there is such a proposal, but the Deputy would need to table a question to each Minister in respect of vacancies on State boards that come under the remit of their Departments. I have outlined in my reply the position in respect of my Department.

I have made the point several times that significant issues arise in respect of membership of State boards in terms of time, legal positions and governance arrangements. Most members of State boards are also members of several audit committees and other committees. The situation is unlike it was years ago. Given the volume of legislation enacted in the past 15 years and the practices arising therefrom, it is no longer considered a great plus to be a member of a State board. A limited number of people are prepared to give the time and effort required for State boards. It is for this reason that people of all political persuasions and none are represented on State boards and that is good.

Does the Taoiseach know what positions are currently vacant on State boards?

Is the Deputy referring to my Department?

No, on boards in general.

I have no idea.

The Taoiseach has no idea what vacancies exist even in his own Department.

I know of the situation in my Department; that is the subject of these questions.

Which positions are vacant?

The board of the NESF needs to be reappointed.

The Taoiseach will be aware of requests from the self-catering industry for representation on the board of Fáilte Ireland. This industry is an important part of the sector but because its members are so dispersed throughout the country they have very little influence or voice while big decisions are being made about the future of that sector. The industry has made its case to the Taoiseach and the line Minister for representation on the board. Will the Taoiseach use his influence to ensure they are represented when the vacancy arises?

I will bring the matter to the attention of the Minister concerned.

With respect to the Taoiseach's statement about the difficulties of finding suitable people, will he inform the House whether these positions are advertised and, if not, why not?

They are not advertised.

Why not, if there is a difficulty in finding people?

Was there ever a case where a person nominated to a board was found subsequently to be disqualified for any reason and that person's name was withdrawn as a result or was forced to resign from the board as a result of information which the Taoiseach was not aware of when he nominated the person?

Is that with regard to my Department?

I cannot recall such a situation.

Will the Taoiseach find out this information?

I suggest the Deputy puts down a question.

The Taoiseach in his reply mentioned that because of recent legislation it is becoming more difficult to find good people to serve on State boards. Is he suggesting that the legislation should be changed. Surely it is most important to find well qualified, good people to serve on boards and if this is being prevented by something in the legislation does he propose a change in the legislation?

No. Issues of governance and the responsibilities and obligations of directors are the same in the private as in the public sector, as the Deputy will be aware. That means that because of the time commitment, people are not prepared to be members of boards unless they can give the time to do the work to the best of their ability and to participate in committees such as audit committees. The duties and responsibilities of board members are demanding. I talk to many of the key people on State boards on a regular basis and many will say that the time commitment is very high. This is evident in boards in many areas, particularly in the key commercial semi-State sector. Members of such boards do not want to be reappointed. They serve their term which they regard as their duty to the State and they then move on. It is a time commitment.

Many boards hold weekly meetings. I referred earlier to the board of Aer Lingus, some members of which are from the United States so they must travel over for meetings. They put in a considerable effort and the same applies for members of other boards. When membership of a sub-committee is taken into account, such people could have to devote as much as one day a week. That is acceptable if a person is not too busy, but it is a significant commitment for an individual who is a member of one of the key commercial State boards.

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