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Garda Recruitment.

Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 22 April 2009

Wednesday, 22 April 2009

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Pat Rabbitte

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68 Deputy Pat Rabbitte asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform if the public service recruitment embargo, announced on 26 March 2009, will apply to the recruitment of full-time members of the Garda or the Garda Reserve; if it will apply to civilian employees working for the Garda; if an assessment has been carried out on the implications for policing and of the number of gardaí who will have to be diverted from full-time policing duties as a result; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [15663/09]

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As the Minister for Finance has made clear, the moratorium on recruitment and promotions in the public service applies to the Garda Síochána, both members and civilian support staff. By its nature, it has no application to the Garda Reserve, whose members are unpaid volunteers who do not occupy public service posts.

The Minister for Finance also made clear that this measure is not an embargo, which would mean a blanket ban on filling all posts. Instead, the nature of this moratorium will permit the Minister for Finance to approve the filling of some vacancies in exceptional circumstances. I am engaged in consultations at present with the Garda Commissioner on the case for filling certain senior posts in the force, particularly those carrying statutory functions or those otherwise in key operational areas, and I will discuss the outcome with the Minister for Finance.

The Government decision also permits the filling of vacancies by redeployment of staff and again I will explore the case and scope for so doing in respect of the civilian support staff of the Garda Síochána. The Garda information services centre, which delivers a vital service to the force and which was largely staffed through redeployment, shows the potential in this regard in the Garda Síochána.

It is also important to bear in mind that Garda strength has increased significantly in recent years, with the number of attested members rising from 10,968 at the end of 1997 to 11,895 at the end of 2002, 13,755 at the end of 2007 and 14,371 in the most recent figures. Allowing for attestations in 2009, the strength of the force will reach approximately 14,900 by 31 December 2009. There has also been a significant increase in civilian support staff, with the most recent figures indicating that the total number of whole-time equivalent civilian personnel has risen from 1,688 at the end of 2007 to 2,133. Consequently, while the moratorium will have a temporary effect on recruitment into the Garda Síochána, its record strength means that it is in the best possible position to absorb the impact and continue to deliver a top-class policing service.

The allocation of Garda personnel throughout the country, together with overall policing arrangements and operational strategy, is a matter for the Garda Commissioner and is continually monitored and reviewed. Such monitoring ensures that optimum use is made of Garda resources and the best possible Garda service is provided to the public.

May I take it from this response that the moratorium will have no effect on the Garda and that the figure will be 14,900, as the Minister informed me on 25 February? That appears to be the answer. The Minister should inform the House how many gardaí qualified in the first quarter of 2009, how many will qualify in the second quarter and how many he expects to qualify in each of the third and fourth quarters.

I do not have those figures in respect of each quarter but somewhere in the region of 200 or 250 gardaí, the same number as have come through until recently, have continued to flow through the system until the end of the year. A smaller intake, 100 per quarter, was taken on over the past two quarters. In 2010 the number of attested gardaí qualifying will be reduced. Regarding the figure of 14,900, we estimate this to be the figure by the end of 2009. Much depends on retirements. This Government has been assiduous in increasing the levels of gardaí over the past number of years. We will do our best to keep the numbers as high as we can.

I do not want to say that I do not believe the Minister in case he walks out on me again, as he threatened to do the last day.

I did not, I was going to be thrown out.

I ask the Minister to look at the file. Is he seriously telling me that the file prepared for Question Time does not have the figures about which I asked? Is he seriously coming in as Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and telling me he does not know how many gardaí came out in the first term? Does he think I came down in the last shower? How many gardaí came out in the first term and how many more will come out for the three remaining quarters of this year? If he does not know that he should not be in the job.

The Minister must wake up every morning thanking his guardian angel. The country is coming down with crime, there are killings every weekend, anti-social behaviour is rife and, when Deputy Ahern was on this side of the House, if a letter went missing in the Department he was jumping up and down on the shoulders of the man who is now the Ceann Comhairle. It is an unbelievable crisis. The country is in mayhem. If the Government had not made such a mess of the economy, this would be at the top of the agenda. The Minister comes in and tells this House he does not know how many gardaí will qualify in 2009. He is making a farce out of Question Time.

I know it is a long time ago but, when the rainbow coalition was in office, it froze the number of gardaí throughout its period in government.

We had money in the bank when we left office.

There were very poor figures when Brian Ború was in control.

I have given the figures, which have increased by thousands since this Government came to office, particularly since 1997, when the rainbow coalition was last in government.

Answer the question.

It must be said that, at the last election in 2007 this party promised that we would reach 15,000 by 2010. In fact we will be next or near that——

Will the Minister answer the question I asked him? How many gardaí will come out over the four quarters?

——with 14,900.

Regarding the numbers for this year, 1,100 gardaí will come out spread over the four quarters of this year. At the last passing out in Templemore 263 gardaí passed out. That will continue for most of 2010. Ultimately, the figures will die down because of the lower intake, which we must do in the context of the budgetary situation. I stand on my record. When Deputy Rabbitte was in government the record was abysmal.

Do I take it the moratorium does not apply to the Garda Síochána?

I think the Minister has answered the question. I call Question No. 69.

He did not answer the question. It appears the moratorium does not apply to the Garda Síochána.

Deputy Rabbitte did not listen to the answer. I said the moratorium applies to all levels of the public sector, including the Garda Síochána——

But the same numbers will come out. The Minister has no regard for this House.

——but a case will be made from the Garda Commissioner through me to the Department of Finance in respect of senior managerial posts because we fully accept that if people are retiring at a higher level there must be a replacement.

I know where the replacement should take place, it should be on the Government benches.

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