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Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 21 January 2010

Thursday, 21 January 2010

Ceisteanna (264, 265)

Paul Kehoe

Ceist:

259 Deputy Paul Kehoe asked the Minister for Social and Family Affairs the position in relation to the spouse and partner of self employed persons who applied through the scope section of her Department to have their PRSI split back dated to 1988; if her attention has been drawn to problem which has now arisen in respect of persons who were over pensionable age when they made this application where her Department has now written to them seeking to cancel the pension which was already granted as a result of thorough investigations by her Department, and are looking for a proposal to have the money taken back; the basis for this request; if the reason is due to the fact that because the persons were over the age of pension when the PRSI was split, had not paid one contribution before reaching the pension age; the way this could occur when one spouse would have paid the PRSI from 1988 onwards in respect of themselves and now it is accepted that this PRSI is also in respect of their spouse; her views on the fact that this is going to create considerable hardship on pensioners, in particular those who may be in their early to mid-70s who would have got a lump sum from her Department in respect of back pension and who would have done nothing wrong except operate within the scheme as dictated by her Department; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [2938/10]

Amharc ar fhreagra

Freagraí scríofa

Spouses who are actively engaged in a commercial partnership, including the operation of a farm, as opposed to simply being the joint owners of a property, are treated as individual self-employed contributors and are thus liable to social insurance contributions. Spouses who operate in a commercial partnership may be brought into the social insurance system, subject to certain criteria. In this way, both spouses incur a liability to pay self-employed PRSI, and build up entitlement towards a contributory state pension and other social welfare benefits.

On foot of a Programme for Government commitment an information leaflet, ‘ Working with your spouse: how it affects your social welfare contributions and entitlements’, has been developed between the Department of Social & Family Affairs and the Revenue Commissioners to set out the social welfare and tax implications of families co-working in a shared business. It was published on the 25th of June, 2008. To date, more than one thousand applications for commercial partnership status have been received. Of these, 579 applications have been finalised, of which 508 cases are approved.

To qualify for a State Pension (Contributory), a number of conditions must be satisfied.

A person must have at least 260 paid social insurance contributions

have a yearly average of at least 10 contributions paid or credited since entry into social insurance,

must have entered into social insurance before attaining the age of 56 years.

In addition, Section 110 (1) of the Social Welfare (Consolidation) Act of 2005 provides that a self-employed contributor shall not be regarded as satisfying the qualifying conditions for State Pension Contributory unless:

the person has paid self-employment contributions in respect of at least one contribution year before attaining pensionable age (66),

and

all self-employment contributions payable by him or her have been paid.

It is open to any person to apply for recognition of a commercial partnership. However, to be eligible for State Pension, the legislation stipulates that at least 52 self-employment contributions must be paid by a person before they reach 66 years of age. Contributions paid by a pension applicant's spouse do not satisfy this condition.

Following a review of these pension claims, it was discovered that a number of individuals who had been in receipt of pension did not satisfy the condition whereby they were required to have paid at least one year's self-employment contribution before reaching age 66. As they did not satisfy this condition, the claims were disallowed, from the date of pension award, and the customers notified.

Overpayments will be determined in the above cases and the customers will be notified and requested to repay the amounts involved. However a Recovery Officer may reduce or cancel an overpayment based on the circumstances of an individual case, in line with the governing legislation.

It should be noted that while the publication of the leaflet ‘ Working with your spouse: how it affects your social welfare contributions and entitlements’ clarified existing procedures in relation to the recognition of commercial partnerships between husbands and wives for social insurance purposes, including retrospective payment of social insurance, it did not involve a change in existing policy or administration. In particular, the clarification of the position did not alter people’s potential entitlements and all applicants for the state pension (contributory) must continue to satisfy the eligibility conditions as contained in legislation, and outlined above.

The department understands and apologises for the upset and distress caused to these people and regrets the administrative error involved.

Paul Kehoe

Ceist:

260 Deputy Paul Kehoe asked the Minister for Social and Family Affairs the position regarding the payment of rent allowance to tenants in private housing; if her attention has been drawn to the fact that there would appear to be different rules in different areas, namely in some cases the rent allowance is paid to the tenant and in other cases it is paid directly to the landlord; her views on the fact that there could be abuse when paying the rent allowance to the tenant and it would not be paid over to the landlord; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [2939/10]

Amharc ar fhreagra

The supplementary welfare allowance scheme, which includes rent supplement, is administered on behalf of the Department by the Community Welfare Service of the Health Service Executive (HSE). The purpose of rent supplement is to provide short-term support to eligible people living in private rented accommodation, whose means are insufficient to meet their accommodation costs and who do not have accommodation available to them from any other source.

Under the relevant legislative provisions, the Department's relationship is with the tenant; the tenant makes the application for rent supplement and payment is made to the tenant. Rent supplement is specifically for the benefit of tenants to assist them with their accommodation needs. Legislation does however provide for the making of a rent supplement payment to another person on behalf of the recipient, at the tenant's request and is subject to the consent of the HSE. Almost 20,000 (21%) rent supplement payments are made to a person other than the rent supplemented tenant, for example to a relative, a landlord or landlord's agent.

It is open to the landlord to bring to the attention of the HSE any instance where a tenant is receiving rent supplement but is not paying their rent. Where a Community Welfare Officer becomes aware that a person receiving rent supplement is not using that supplement to meet housing costs, payment of the supplement is suspended and the matter investigated. Any overpayment of rent supplement incurred in circumstances of this kind may be recoverable from the tenant.

Where a landlord has a grievance in relation to the non-payment of rent by a tenant, s/he may apply to the Private Residential Tenancies Board to have the dispute resolved through the board's dispute resolution process.

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