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Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 10 February 2010

Wednesday, 10 February 2010

Ceisteanna (5, 6)

Thomas P. Broughan

Ceist:

72 Deputy Thomas P. Broughan asked the Minister for Transport if he will report on the 2010 funding allocation for the maintenance and upgrading of non-national and regional roads; if the €730 million allocation to local authorities for the maintenance of national roads represents a decrease in their road maintenance budget by one third; the figure that local authorities have estimated as the bill for roads that were seriously damaged during the recent weather conditions; if the bill for the road repairs will be as much as €1 billion; the amount of extra funding that will be allocated to local authorities; the way he envisages the national roads strategy developing after 2011; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [6646/10]

Amharc ar fhreagra

Freagraí ó Béal (34 píosaí cainte)

The improvement and maintenance of regional and local roads is a statutory function of each road authority to be funded from its own resources supplemented by State road grants. I have asked local authorities to provide details of exceptional road-related costs associated with the recent flooding and prolonged severe weather, which fall outside the normal financial provision for winter maintenance. While some information is still outstanding, the total cost is likely to be only a fraction of the €1 billion referred to by the Deputy. I will assess the returns from local authorities and take this into account when allocating the regional and local road grants for 2010.

The figure of €730 million quoted by the Deputy appears to be taken from an NRA document outlining the allocations to local authorities for maintenance, operation and improvement of national roads during 2010. Copies of the document were placed in the Oireachtas Library last week. I would like to point out that the total funding available to the NRA for national road related work in 2010 is almost €1.16 billion, not €730 million.

Turning to the national roads strategy post 2011, it has been necessary to review the investment priorities across all Departments because of the economic downturn. My Department's Transport 21 priorities for national roads are the completion of the five major interurban motorways, the M50 upgrade and the progression of the Atlantic road corridor. I will also be seeking to maintain the current level of funding for regional and local roads in the years ahead.

While I accept the €1.1 billion as a total figure, did the Minister not slash the road maintenance figure by €325 million, or one third? In this year of all years following the flooding and the big freeze the Minister has slashed the budget by one third. The Minister has said he has requested a report from the local authorities. When will he get that report? Will he be informed, for example, how many kilometres of regional and local roads have been severely damaged? In other words will he request a total audit of the road situation following the two natural disasters? Would the Minister agree that local authorities are completely in the dark as to what will happen to the maintenance and repair of these roads? It is not just a maintenance issue, as my Fine Gael colleague knows very well. It is also a very serious road safety issue. I remember receiving a call from my colleague Councillor Willie Quinn in Carlow from a crater in the middle of a major road outside Borris. Along with 1,000 councillors throughout the country, he is deeply concerned about the state of the roads. Has the Minister given a deadline to local authorities to go to work to supply the report? What kind of extra funding will be provided?

We asked the local authorities to do this immediately after the end of the severe weather spell and most of them, although not all, have submitted estimates of the damage. We are working on the basis that they have done some type of audit themselves of the roads to arrive at the estimates they have given us. We will work on that basis.

I cannot accept that the local authorities are in the dark. They know exactly what the situation is and——

They told us they were in the dark.

I do not recall them saying that. If they were in the dark they would not have been able to produce the type of figures they have come up with which are——

They have no choice.

Let the Minister answer.

The figures are obviously based, in most cases, on some semblance of audit and reality. That gives us a good basis for clarifying the situation relative to the €1 billion that was being touted by an economist on the radio some months back. I hope his economic statistics are more accurate that his roads' figures. We normally give the local authorities permission to spend the equivalent of 10% of the previous year's allocation in the first few months of the current year before they receive their formal allocation. This year, however, we have allowed them, if they wish, to go as high as 25% of that allocation to deal with the emergency situation.

I have three brief final points. When will the Minister announce the budget for the regional roads? The Minister will agree that he will be forever known as the "Minister for snow". Since the catastrophe of the big freeze, has he made any changes to the protocols for clearing footpaths or estate roads? Is there any procedure whereby the country can call a national emergency? What is being done about that?

Finally, regarding road safety and N17, for example, besides a small amount of funding the NRA has announced this year, when will the full works on that road be carried out in Galway and Mayo? When will the Wexford road, the N11, and the Mayo road, the N5, be finished? When will the Sligo road, the N4, be done? The Minister says that 2010 will see the end of the national road building programme. That is a desperate prospect for many commuters all over the country. The Minister has failed a large part, if not all of the island, as the "Minister for snow".

I am always flattered by Deputy Broughan at Question Time. I seem to be Minister for everything, according to him.

Deputy Dempsey is known as the "Minister for snow". Previously he was known as the "Minister for e-machines".

I thought he was trying to give that title to the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Deputy Gormley.

That was because the Minister, Deputy Dempsey, was not around.

Allow the Minister to reply.

The roads funding allocations will be done within the next two weeks with the local authorities. We want to leave matters as flexible as possible for the local authorities and we are trying to do this with the allocations.

In relation to clearing footpaths, local authorities do not need protocols from me or anybody else in that regard because that is their responsibility.

What about householders?

They all know the situation that arose is being looked at by the local authorities. As regards the national emergency element of the Deputy's question, there are very clear guidelines in relation to what has to happen and who is responsible in the national emergency plan.

Shane McEntee

Ceist:

73 Deputy Shane McEntee asked the Minister for Transport if he will protect the investment made in roads here by committing to fund their repair following the recent weather conditions; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [6848/10]

Amharc ar fhreagra

I have responsibility for overall policy and funding in relation to the national roads. The construction, improvement and maintenance of individual national roads is a matter for the National Roads Authority. Approximately €1.115 billion will be spent by the NRA on national roads in 2010 and the allocations to local authorities were recently published.

The improvement and maintenance of regional and local roads is a function of road authorities under section 13 of the Roads Act 1993. The selection, prioritisation and carrying out of works on these roads is a matter for the relevant local authority to be funded from its own resources supplemented by State road grants.

When Exchequer grants for regional and local roads are allocated each year, my Department does not hold back a reserve allocation to deal with weather contingencies, as this would mean a reduction in the allocations made to all local authorities at the beginning of each year. The allocations made to local authorities are inclusive of a weather risk factor. They are expressly advised in the annual road grants circular letter that they should set aside contingency sums from their overall regional and local roads resources to finance necessary weather related works.

I have asked local authorities to provide details of exceptional road related costs associated with the recent flooding and prolonged severe weather, which fall outside the normal financial provision for winter maintenance. I will consider this information when deciding on the allocations, which I will announce shortly. A key priority will be to safeguard the considerable investment in the road network over the past ten years and to carefully target resources to address on a prioritised basis the most urgently required repairs.

I thank the Minister for the information. Before I address that I want to make the point that I went to a meeting in Foynes——

The Deputy is on a different question now.

I know, but I just want to make the point. It was totally and utterly distasteful for me as a public representative that I met people who were being paid by the State and who——

The Deputy cannot read a question in another Deputy's name on Priority Questions.

I know that. They could not answer questions put by me as an elected representative.

The Deputy is now using up his time.

I just wanted to make that point. Regarding the roads, I realise the cold weather crisis is over, but the Minister and I are both realists, as well as coming from the same county. We both travel to other counties and the damage to the roads over and above normal as a result of the weather conditions we have had is only now becoming evident. No matter how it is done, in the current circumstances, whether through lack of funding or the bodies working on the ground, it is simply not good enough to say the allocations are in place and this what the local authorities can do.

I know that I am slow in getting to my point, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

It is Question Time.

Let me make my point, please.

I am afraid the Deputy must put a question in Question Time.

I will put a question to the Minister, when I am finished.

No, the Deputy must put a question now.

Does the Minister agree that we cannot continue to ask our local engineers, whether in Tipperary, Cork or anywhere else, to continue to repair our roads? We are now coming into the busiest part of the year for tourism and agriculture-related business, with people moving out of their houses. The number of staff in the county councils has been cut by nearly a third relative to what they should be. Does the Minister not believe it is time for him, along with the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, to give the authority to county councils to hire people who are lying idle with their machines for a six-month period to repair all the roads at the one time? I am hoping the Minister will provide the investment because the current arrangements amount to false economy. Without the manpower it cannot be done.

I will be providing almost €412 million to the local authorities for their roads programme. I will also be giving them the flexibility to prioritise the roads that have been damaged. We will not stick to the normal 13 or 14 headings in the funding. Now that the local authorities have identified the roads that are damaged, we will ask them to prioritise and repair them. This could mean other works which might not have been in the pipeline immediately will be done this year. As this money is being allocated, I am asking the councils to address the concerns that have been expressed by Members of the House and their local public representatives to ensure that the roads which were damaged are repaired as quickly as possible. There is no bar on local authorities either outsourcing or hiring contractors to do the work. It must be addressed in the most effective and efficient manner. No doubt, they will have to get value for money during the summer months, in particular, but they will be given maximum flexibility in that regard.

The figures show that the Minister is spending almost €500 million less but the damage involved is enormous. Limerick City and County Councils are facing a bill of €2 million in relation to damages, while the figure for Carlow County Council is €7.5 million. The figure for our county is €2.4 million, while it is €2.5 million for Westmeath. The Minister and other Deputies from County Meath along with those from every other country are aware that the available staff are being curtailed at the moment, regardless of any money the Minister allocates. They cannot do overtime or take on extra help. The Minister must give the go-ahead immediately to allow for the repair of all the roads at once and not curtail what we anticipate will be, hopefully, a better summer at home for our tourism trade.

They way in which they go about this work is entirely up to the local authorities. The grants we give are to supplement the local authority grants. The local authorities should make the best possible use of the money, whatever that may be. I do not intend to start micro-managing them. There is a need to focus on the damaged roads which must be improved and which are important for economic activity and so on.

Part of the reason why roads money has been reduced during the past couple of years is because of the economic circumstances in which we find ourselves. A lesser national cake means a lesser portion of it for transport. Notwithstanding that, local authorities must look within their resources to prioritise. From the point of view of road safety and economic activity, road services are and should be priorities for the local authorities this year. I call on them to try to ensure they maintain or increase the amount of money available for roads work this year.

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