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Public Sector Staff Grades Review

Dáil Éireann Debate, Wednesday - 23 January 2013

Wednesday, 23 January 2013

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Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin

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9. Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin asked the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform the date on which his review of the grading structure of the Civil Service will be concluded; if this review includes primary school, secondary school and third level staff; if the review will include State agency salaries, local authority salaries, Health Service Executive salaries, an Garda Siochana staff; if he intends to apply the principle of equal pay for equal work to the grading structure reforms; if this review will inform current discussions with trade union representatives with regards to extending the Croke Park Agreement. [3067/13]

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Under the public service reform plan, my Department is reviewing the grading structure of the Civil Service. The review will examine the number and distribution of management grades across the Civil Service, the percentage of the pay bill accounted for by such grades and, taking account of organisational needs and best practice, assess the scope to reduce the number of Civil Service management grades. Work has been commenced on the review and, in line with the reform plan, it will be completed during 2013.

Any review of grading structures and the scope of any such reviews in other sectors of the public service - health, education, local authorities and justice group - are matters for management in the parent Departments concerned.

The Government recently extended an invitation to the members of the public services committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions to enter discussions with public service management on a new agenda for reductions in the cost of the delivery of public services and substantial longer term productivity improvements and workplace reforms. A parallel process is also under way with the associations representing gardaí and members of the Defence Forces.

It would not be helpful or appropriate to go into the details of the various issues that are part of these discussions. They are subject to ongoing bilateral engagement between the parties in the correct forum, and any comment at this time would not help, and may impede, these discussions.

The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform will brief the House in full on the outcome of any engagements. However, the Government will not be offering any comment on the current negotiations until discussions are concluded in full.

The programme for Government commitment is as follows: "We will review the grading structures of the Civil Service and the Public Service and reduce the number of management grades." That is the way to go. Earlier, we debated the issues of pay and pay equity in the system. Part and parcel of delivering that, if the Government is serious about delivery, will be revisiting the grading structures not only in the Civil Service, but also the wider public service. It is odd that the Department does not have a role in transforming grades across the public service. We have had this experience on a number of occasions in the context of State agencies, which was raised by Deputy Fleming. Very often, the Department bats us back and says it is not its issue. Why do we have the Department then? It would be more than appropriate that the Department would be front and centre in driving this reform. It makes a nonsense of having the Department in the first place.

The task of the Minister and the Department is to set the general policy in this regard across the public sector. However, specific areas such as local government, the Defence Forces and the Garda Síochána have historically had different grading structures. This is a crucial issue. The Minister has put on record that the review will take place this year. Of the 30,000 people who have exited the public service over the past three and a half years, there has been a predominance of managers. We, therefore, have an opportunity to do things differently because of the exit strategy with a smaller public sector embracing shared services and carrying out functions differently. I recently did work on shared HR services and I found that up to one third of the people involved in HR service delivery in each Department were in management grades, which is absolutely crazy in a circumstance where much of HR delivery is transactional and can be done across different grades.

This is an essential part of our public sector transformation plan. We have published on our website a one-year update on each of the measures set out in the plan and I ask Members to read it because a great deal of work is going on in the context of public sector reform. We are making sure we are hitting our targets and people are being held accountable for the agenda within each sector. We will see the outcome of that by the end of this year in terms of how the grading structure will contribute to a much more efficient public sector.

Written Answers follow Adjournment.
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