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Committee on Budgetary Oversight díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 29 Nov 2023

Tax Expenditures in Budget 2024: Department of Finance

I welcome from the Department of Finance Ms Clare Costello, principal officer with responsibility for personal taxes, Ms Deirdre Donaghy, principal officer and head of business tax, Ms Joanne Mulholland, assistant principal in the economics division, Mr. Patrick Brennan, assistant principal responsible for residential premises rental income relief, Ms Sorsha Foran, assistant principal responsible for mortgage interest tax relief, and Mr. Ian Power, principal officer. Tá fáilte rompu.

Before we begin, I want to explain some of the limitations on parliamentary privilege and the practice of the Houses regarding references witnesses can make in giving their evidence. They are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the presentations they make to the committee, which means they have an absolute defence against any defamatory action in respect of anything they say at the meeting. However, they are expected not to abuse the privilege. It is my duty as Chair to ensure it is not abused. Therefore, if witnesses’ statements are potentially defamatory in respect of an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks. It is imperative that they comply with any such direction.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person or entity outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable. I remind members of the constitutional requirement that members must be physically present within the confines of the place the Parliament has chosen to sit, namely, Leinster House, to participate in public meetings. I will not permit a member to attend where he or she is not adhering to that constitutional requirement. Any member who attempts to participate from outside the precincts will be asked to leave the meeting.

Bogfaimid ar aghaidh. I invite Ms Costello to make an opening statement.

Ms Clare Costello

On behalf of the Department of Finance, I thank the committee for its invitation to discuss the tax expenditures in budget 2024, in particular the introduction of the residential premises rental income relief and the mortgage interest tax relief.

I am a principal officer in the Department of Finance and have responsibility for personal taxes. I am joined by my colleagues Ms Sorsha Foran, who has responsibility for the mortgage interest tax relief, Mr. Patrick Brennan, who has responsibility for the residential premises rental income relief, and Ms Deirdre Donaghy, who is the head of business tax in the Department. I am also joined by Mr. Ian Power and Ms Joanne Mulholland of the Department’s economics division, who provide the economic analysis elements of the budget and oversee the tax expenditure guidelines.

Broadly, in line with the parameters set out by the Government in the summer economic statement, budget 2024 contained an overall tax package of approximately €1.15 billion, along with other one-off measures to support with cost-of-living pressures. The measures announced by the Minister for Finance on budget day sought to support workers, promote enterprise, support climate action and the agri-sector, support housing and help households and firms with the cost of living. Among the measures announced by the Minister for Finance were the personal income tax package, consisting of increases to tax credits and the standard rate cut-off point, and USC changes. Other measures included an increase to the rent tax credit and an extension of the credit to students in “digs”, an extension of the help-to-buy scheme and the introduction of the new rented residential relief. Several enterprise support schemes were extended or enhanced, such as the research and development tax credit, the film tax credit, accelerated capital allowances for energy-efficient equipment and farm safety and CGT reliefs, such as retirement relief and angel investors relief. Temporary supports, such as the one-year mortgage interest tax relief and extensions of the excise rate reduction and the 9% VAT rate on gas and electricity, were also announced by the Minister for Finance on budget day.

I understand that Deputies are particularly interested in two specific measures introduced in budget 2024, namely, the residential premises rental income relief and the mortgage interest tax relief. To frame this evening’s discussions, I will briefly outline each measure.

The new residential premises rental income relief is a tax relief at the standard rate against private rented residential income. The relief is available to all individual landlords of residential rental properties. Companies are not eligible for relief. The relief applies for the years of assessment, namely, 2024 to 2027, inclusive, and equates to a tax credit of up to €600 in year one, €800 in year two and €1,000 in years three and four. The tax credit will reduce the tax due on residential rental income by the relevant amount in each year of assessment. Where a landlord’s tax liability on rental income is less than the aforementioned amounts, the credit will be restricted to 20% of the profit or gains from residential rental properties, after capital allowances and losses forward have been deducted. The credit is non-refundable. In the case of joint ownership of a property, the relief will be divided in proportion to the percentage of the rental income each owner is entitled to.

Relief is available in respect of qualifying premises, that is, premises occupied by a tenant under a tenancy registered with the Residential Tenancies Board, premises let to a public authority or premises to which Part II of the Housing (Private Rented Dwellings) Act 1982 applies.

A full clawback of the benefit of the relief will apply in the event that the taxpayer removes any property from the rental market in the four-year period. However, a property that is not let may also be eligible for relief if it is being actively marketed for rent. This is to ensure taxpayers can claim the credit where a tenant may have terminated the tenancy during the year and another tenant for the property is being actively sought.

To claim the credit for a year of assessment, the taxpayer must, on 31 December in that year, have complied with local property tax requirements and have a valid tax clearance. The estimated cost to the Exchequer in 2024, that is, the first year it will be available to claim, is €45 million.

I will now move on to the second measure. Mortgage interest tax relief will be available to taxpayers in respect of their principal private residence in the State where the outstanding mortgage balance was between €80,000 and €500,000 on 31 December 2022 and the taxpayer is compliant with local property tax requirements.

The relief will be available at the standard rate of income tax in respect of the increase in the qualifying interest paid in the calendar year 2022 compared to the calendar year 2023. The value of the relief will be equal to the lesser of 20% of the increased interest paid, or €1,250, applying on a per-property basis, giving a maximum relief of €1,250 per property. Pro-rating of the relief will apply if the mortgage was held for less than 12 months in 2022 or 2023, or both. The relief will be claimed on a self-assessment basis by taxpayers. To claim the mortgage interest tax relief, the taxpayer must file a tax return with the Revenue Commissioners. The taxpayer will log on to their Revenue account – myAccount – and provide the requisite information, such as their name, address, eircode, LPT number and PPSN, and also provide details of their interest paid in 2022 and 2023 and the outstanding balance on the mortgage as of 31 December 2022. Using the information provided, the Revenue system will calculate the amount of mortgage interest tax relief.

The relief will operate by way of a credit offset against the taxpayer’s income tax liability in 2023. It is anticipated that the relief may be claimed in early 2024. It is estimated that this measure will cost approximately €125 million on a once-off basis.

As Deputies will be aware, the Finance Bill is currently progressing through the Houses of the Oireachtas, affording the Minister for Finance the opportunity to articulate the policy dimensions of all the measures in budget 2024 and the related Finance Bill.

My colleagues and I can answer any technical questions on the residential premises rental income relief or the mortgage interest tax relief. I hope this overview will assist in framing the discussions at this meeting. We will be happy to engage on any questions members have.

I will open the discussion to the floor.

I thank Ms Costello for that. I have just a few technical questions, to which we are confined.

There is information on the Revenue website about how to calculate the tax due on rental properties. In the example of a landlord called Deirdre, she has a rental income of €15,600. It stated that she should pay €375 in tax - not even enough to benefit from the new landlord tax break. Under the new proposal, how much will Deirdre pay?

Ms Clare Costello

I thank the Deputy for the question. I do not have the examples in front of me but if I am gauging what she is suggesting correctly, after the taxpayer’s expenses and other deductions, the landlord is left with a tax liability of €375. In that instance, the way the tax credit will work is it will reduce her tax liability to zero. She will not have any refund but the €375 will be offset by the €600 tax credit that will be available to taxpayers in those situations in 2024.

It will be €375 rather than €600, is that correct? It would be zeroed down.

Ms Clare Costello

Yes. The credit is non-refundable, and it cannot create a loss forward.

Landlords can already deduct the interest on mortgages used to purchase their rental property. They can deduct, as Ms Costello said, insurance costs, maintenance costs, repair costs and RTB registration fees. When we compare that with workers who have mortgages, they cannot deduct from taxes they pay for their labour mortgage costs, interest rate costs, the cost of insurance or the cost of maintenance. Therefore, the passive income earned by landlords is already taxed less than income earned through work. What is the effective tax rate on rental income after those deductions are made?

Ms Clare Costello

The way the personal tax system works is that your residential rental income would just be a subset of your overall income. We have discussed the matter with Revenue. It is not possible for us to extract or disaggregate residential rental income in order to be able to calculate an effective tax rate on that residential rental income. We were able to discuss and get data from the Revenue Commissioners. As the Deputy outlined, the way the rental income calculation works is that people pay a gross amount rent and then deductions or capital allowances are taken from that to give a net rent. Taxes are then calculated on the basis of that net rent. The data we got from Revenue shows that between 2016 and 2021, which is the most recent year for which the data is available, the proportion of net rent relative to gross rent has increased. In 2016, taxpayers, on average, had a gross-net ratio of 61%. In 2021, it was broadly around the same figure, but it is now at 66%. We cannot actually tell what the overall effective tax rate is but we can look at what their gross rent was and their net rent, and that has increased over the past couple of years.

How will the clawback work in practice where a landlord attempts to leave the market? What does actively marketing mean in practice? How will that be monitored and enforced?

Ms Clare Costello

The clawback applies if the taxpayer removes any of their properties from the rental market in any of the four years of assessment following the year in which the taxpayer has claimed the relief. If they were to let it to a connected party, the clawback would also apply. As I mentioned earlier, there is a condition that allows a taxpayer or landlord to still be eligible in the instance where the tenant has chosen to leave the tenancy, if the property is being actively marketed for rent. The conditions that apply to actively marketed for rent mean that the taxpayer is willing to enter into a residential tenancy agreement, that the rent sought for the qualifying premises does not exceed a market rent and that there are no conditions attaching to a tenancy that would be, in the view of the Revenue Commissions, unreasonable or designed to impede or disrupt the negotiation of the tenancy agreement. They have to be in a position to offer that property for rent. It is a self-assessment, but if Revenue was to conduct a compliance intervention, the onus would be on the taxpayer to demonstrate that they were actively marketing the property for rent at the time.

For clarity, is Ms Costello saying that if somebody has, say, 20 properties and sells three of them, they will then not be able to claim the tax credit on any?

Ms Clare Costello

That is the way the legislation and the policy are drafted. As the Minister outlined during the course of the debate on Finance Bill, the purpose of the measure is to retain landlords in the market. It is there to encourage landlords to keep their properties in the rental market to the greatest extent possible. If they were to dispose of any of their rental properties in that instance, the clawback would apply.

How will the Department measure the effectiveness of it doing what Government intends it to do? How will it be evaluated in the context of outcomes?

Ms Clare Costello

This is a very new measure. With bringing in the measures, we looked at the evidence and data around tenancies. We looked at things such as the notices of termination that the RTB collects and some CSO data. Once this measure is brought into effect, we will continue to monitor the rental market and whether there is any change in the degree of notices of termination being served or the numbers of properties in the rental market. We will look at things such as the number of buy-to-let mortgages being taken out and how many taxpayer units are returning rented residential income. As part of our ongoing assessment and monitoring of any tax expenditure, we will be looking at data sources such as those. In line with the tax expenditure guidelines, the relief will also be subject to an ex-post review in three years’ time. Therefore, we will be looking at the data in more detail at that stage. As with any tax relief, we will be continuously monitoring it to see the impact it may have on the rental market.

What will the counterfactual be when measuring it?

Ms Clare Costello

The data we have seen heretofore is that since quarter 2 of 2022, approximately 24,000 notices of termination have been issued. The reason for those being issued on average - about 60% of the time - is because the landlord wants to sell the property. Therefore, when looking at a counterfactual, it will be looking at, in the absence of this measure, whether there has been any change in the make-up of the landlords in the market or any change in the number of properties available to let. We will look at the different data sources and what the CSO or the RTB can provide us with respect to data.

Quarter 2 of 2022 could not be used because the eviction ban was lifted then, which would corrupt the data. It would have to be measured against something else. This is important. I am trying to figure out how the Department can do it and how, at the same time, the process can have integrity.

Ms Clare Costello

I absolutely agree. As I said, we have tax expenditure guidelines that set out for us how to evaluate tax expenditures. To be honest, we are probably a little premature to even be thinking about it. At this stage, we are just in the process of the measure being introduced. However, an integral part of it is looking at the counterfactual and trying to assess the impact of the relief.

I look forward to seeing it when it comes back.

As of 2020, non-tax resident landlords had a total rental income of €330 million. That was just for residential properties. If I am a non-tax resident and I have other sources of income, what would be the likely increase in the amount of tax I owe on my rental income?

Ms Clare Costello

Non-residents, depending on where they are ordinarily resident, will be taxed on income where they are resident if it is from employment sources. We retain taxing rights over residential property so they will be taxable in Ireland on things like residential income. I am trying to say that it depends on the source of income and what type of income has increased. If their residential rental income in the State has increased, there will be an increased tax burden here. If they have employment income in another jurisdiction, the taxing rights for that employment income will be in that other jurisdiction.

They are taxed on the residential properties here.

Ms Clare Costello

They would be.

They will. Are they passing less tax than people who are resident here?

Ms Clare Costello

No. They would be paying the same amount of tax. The Deputy may be thinking of a withholding tax requirement with respect to non-resident landlords. There is a withholding requirement for 20% of their tax by their tenant or agent. They would pay the same amount of tax, as far as I am aware. I know the rules around withholding have changed somewhat in the last year. I can follow up on that and get you a note on that.

Is the full cost per year €160 million?

Ms Clare Costello

The full-year cost is €160 million. That is on the basis of the €1,000 credit that will apply in 2026 and 2027. The data we would have got from the Revenue Commissioners shows there were 160,000 taxpayer units in 2021 that returned rented residential income. Within a €1,000 credit, assuming that all those taxpayer units can absorb that and that they can all claim it, that is where the €160 million arises.

That is based on the number of residential properties registered with the RTB.

Ms Clare Costello

It is based on data that we would have got from the Revenue Commissioners. When taxpayers return their residential rental income if they have more than one property, there is one return, so there are more than 160,000 rental properties but there are 160,000 taxpayer units that returned residential rental income in 2021. That is what it was based on.

Is Ms Costello expecting an increase in registrations with the RTB from this?

Ms Clare Costello

With respect to RTB registrations, the Minister has outlined that the purpose of this measure is to retain and encourage new landlords into the market.

When you are doing your figures and anticipating the cost, are you taking into account an increase?

Ms Clare Costello

We base the cost on the number of taxpayer units that would have returned rental income back in 2021. We did not build any behavioural change into that costing.

Grand. On the online form to register with the RTB and the criteria for assessing the tax breaks for landlords, do the required fields mean that you or I could not submit the claim without a valid RTB number attached? If it is not a required field, then would you leave it blank and submit the claim regardless? That would likely require an audit to catch it, so you could just continue on. Will there be a required field on the online application to ensure that it is RTB registered?

Ms Clare Costello

The Revenue Commissioners are currently working with their IT people with respect to the filing requirements for this. We can certainly discuss it with them. The first filing is for the rental income relief. Because it is a 2024 relief, the first filings will not take place until 2025. Revenue normally issues its guidance with respect to Finance Bill measures early in the new year. It is still working on the technicalities relating to that. We can certainly discuss that with it.

On the mortgage interest relief for those with a mortgage of above €80,000, how much extra would it have cost if it had been available to those with a mortgage of less than €80,000 in the balance?

Ms Clare Costello

The costing that we have done for the mortgage interest tax relief of €125 million, which I mentioned in my opening statement, was based on data provided by the Central Bank. It would have looked at the central credit register at the end of June 2023 and provided us with the costing for the measure. With respect to moving that lower threshold of €80,000, there would be a cost of an additional €22 million in 2024. It is €125 million for the measure that stands and an additional €22 million is the tentative estimated cost that we worked out with the Central Bank.

So €22 million would have covered all those people who are parenting on their own and people with lower mortgages who are struggling. It seems a small amount of money to be able to capture some of the people who are most marginalised and having real difficulty with trying to pay their mortgages.

Ms Clare Costello

The €22 million would have captured the balances below the €80,000 threshold.

I think that is very unfortunate but I know you are not making the decisions. You are just implementing them.

I thank our guests. I will follow on from what Deputy Rose Conway-Walsh said. I was also going to ask what relief, if any, would be considered for those with mortgages of less than €80,000, given that these people are still at the mercy of high interest rates, coupled with the high cost of living. I am spokesperson for older people for Sinn Féin but many people who are coming into my office are in that bracket, as they are older, and they are concerned that there is nothing. To hear Ms Costello saying that €22 million would make a difference is disappointing. Can anything be done about that? Is consideration being given to the matter.

Ms Clare Costello

I thank the Deputy for the question. The Minister has outlined his rationale for the €80,000 threshold during the course of the debate on the Finance Bill. On our side, we would have looked at the data and discussed the thresholds with the Central Bank. One thing to note is that approximately 137,000 mortgage accounts fall below that €80,000 threshold. A number of those would still be eligible for the relief because the relief looks at one's mortgage balance as a whole, so if people have a top-up mortgage or if some of their mortgage is fixed and some is variable, the relief will look at those as a whole. Because of their nature, those lower account balances may be more likely to be joined with another balance. They will be able to avail of it if the overall mortgage balance is over €80,000. If it is just a single mortgage below €80,000, however, then, like any arbitrary threshold, they will be out of it. That is the nature of a threshold.

That is unfortunate. Older renters in particular are badly affected by the current housing crisis. They lack security of tenure regardless of their rent-paying record. What measures or incentives could be envisaged to encourage landlords? I know you have spoken about landlords and I appreciate that. Can we encourage landlords into more long-term leases to give more security to our ageing population who are currently renting? Many of them still seem to be renting.

Ms Clare Costello

As I outlined, the intention behind the rented residential premises relief that the Minister has outlined is about the retention of landlords. The Government is acutely aware of trying to strike that right balance in the market. With respect to specific measures, it is probably more a question for colleagues in the Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage. I am aware of some initiatives there such as the tenant in situ scheme that it introduced. The Minister is looking at legislation in respect of first refusal to tenants when premises are being taken off the rental market. It is probably more a question for colleagues from the Department of housing.

I appreciate that. I thank Ms Costello for it. The insecurity keeps some people who come to me awake at night. We are trying to alleviate that.

I thank Ms Costello for her answer.

I will finish with this. How are the criteria for mortgage interest relief identified? What methodology was used to calculate the levels applied? Will the witnesses expand on that a little more to give us more clarity on it, if possible?

Ms Clare Costello

Certainly. Mortgage interest tax relief, as the Deputy will be aware, is an issue that has come to the fore due to the ten interest rate increases, I think, over the past 14 months. As with any measure for the budget, we had ongoing discussions with the Minister in respect of the measure. Due to the introduction of the measure, which is somewhat contrary to monetary policy and to the efforts of the ECB to try to dampen inflation, we looked at various ways to ensure that any measure that is to be introduced is timely, targeted and time-bound. Throughout recent months, we had ongoing deliberations with the Minister looking at various ways to design the tax relief.

Then, as I mentioned earlier to Deputy Conway-Walsh, we looked at the data from the Central Bank. That was key to the formation of the policy. We got significant data from the bank with respect to the numbers of accounts and the types of accounts within various income bands. We also got assistance from the Central Bank with the number of accounts that experienced an interest rate increase over the year. Ultimately, to arrive at our cost for the scheme, the bank estimated that there were 208,000 accounts between the thresholds that were set, between the €80,000 and the €500,000. The bank looked at the increase in the interest bill for those 208,000 accounts for the relevant period, which was approximately €676 million. Then applying the relief of 20% would amount to a cost of about €135 million. There is a cap on the relief, so we then depressed the cost a little to €125 million. It was through those ongoing negotiations and discussions between us, the bank and the Minister that we arrived at the measure and the cost of €125 million.

If we see more interest rate rises - as Ms Costello said, there have been ten or whatever in the past 14 months - will the Department have more discussions about that then, or will that be it, in that we are where we are?

Ms Clare Costello

The measure, as it stands, is a once-off, temporary measure. Any future decisions are a matter for the Minister going forward.

Thank you, Ms Costello, for the huge amount of information on that. I have one or two questions about it myself.

On both the mortgage and the rent, a great many people are under pressure from these interest rate increases, and the idea of mortgage interest relief is a very positive move for them. I understand there are over 200,000 people in that situation who would be able to access or to benefit from that relief. What would be a typical relief such a person will be able to get?

The Department is setting thresholds at €80,000 and €500,000. How were those figures arrived at, if the witnesses can answer that?

One of the other issues that is coming up - a great many people are asking about it - is that many have not had such a relief before. They may not be entirely familiar with doing tax returns, may not be self-employed or may have done only the MED-1-type or the MED-2-type return over the years. How will they access this relief? Will it be automatically applied for them or will they have to go somewhere to make that application? Is there is a timeframe set down for them to access and get the benefit of this tax relief?

The witnesses might stick with the mortgages first, please.

Ms Clare Costello

Chair, you asked at the outset how much the average will be. These are very indicative figures, but we have looked at some calculations, and the average, we suspect, of the tax relief for all mortgages would be €600. For those with tracker mortgages, who have experienced the largest increases in their interest bills over the past year, the average is in the region of €900. For those with variable mortgages it is approximately €250, and for those with fixed mortgages it is just lower, at €240. We therefore expect those with tracker mortgages to benefit the most. That is a natural follow-on from the fact that they have experienced the largest increases.

With respect to your question about the threshold, we had ongoing discussions with the Minister on that. He asked us to look at a number of options, and in those options the thresholds were arrived at in the discussions with the Minister.

Finally, as to how this will operate in practice, Revenue is very conscious that, as you said, there may be some taxpayers out there who have not engaged with it previously in respect of things such as filing tax returns. It is very conscious of making this as user-friendly as possible. The way it will be claimed is that the taxpayer will go onto their myAccount system and will provide some straightforward information: their name, address, PPS number, eircode. Mortgage holders get a statement from their bank showing the amount of interest either accrued or paid. They will then, with their bank statements that they will have got from their bank at the end of the year, use that information to upload the amount of interest they have paid in 2023 and in 2022, and the Revenue system will calculate the amount of mortgage interest, the difference between the two and then the amount of tax relief. It is a bit like what I said to Deputy Conway-Walsh about the rented residential premises relief. Revenue is still in discussions with its IT people in respect of this. It is extremely conscious of trying to make this as user-friendly and as easy to access as possible because it wants people to be able to avail of it. From a timeframe perspective, it is looking to have this in place by early January, or sometime in January, in early 2024.

Where people are not comfortable doing their business online, what are the options available to them to do it offline?

Ms Clare Costello

We can talk to colleagues in Revenue about that and follow up. As far as I am aware, online is the preferred channel, but for those who are not comfortable with it, there is always an offline option or a hard-copy-type option for them to be able to interact with the Revenue.

When you say you expect to have the portal available by the beginning of the year, does that mean that people can immediately start applying or are there particular timelines for it?

Ms Clare Costello

They will be able to apply, as I said, from January 2024. Then, as with any tax relief, you have four years within which to make your application.

Moving on to the rental relief, we had a good bit of discussion about people leaving and the purpose of the relief for keeping properties in the market. When people leave, either when they retire or, unfortunately, when they pass away, what is the story there? Can the witnesses give an outline? Also, if the property is being sold on - for example, if somebody is leaving and they are using the tenant in situ scheme in order that the property would be sold on to a local authority such as Cork County Council - will the witnesses outline that process as well? That could be further encouragement to keep those properties in the rental sector.

Ms Clare Costello

As I outlined to Deputy Conway-Walsh, the way the legislation is currently drafted means that if any of the properties are withdrawn from the rental market within the four years following the year of claim, the call back applies. We have thought of the situation you have just outlined, Chair, of somebody passing away. That will have to be considered in future by the Minister.

It is not an immediate problem for this year because it will not be able to be claimed until 2024 but it is something that we need to consider in the sense of whether it is an unduly harsh application of the clawback situation. At the moment if somebody was to pass away, the clawback would apply but it is something the Minister could consider going forward, if he considers that it is perhaps a little bit of a harsh interpretation.

Inheritance tax is being claimed out of the estate anyway.

Ms Clare Costello

As well, yes.

What about where a property is sold on to the local authority in a tenant in situ situation and the property remains in the rental market?

Ms Clare Costello

Again, there are situations such as the example outlined of the tenant in situ scheme that the Minister will be able to keep under review next year. It will not arise, but it is one of the issues we will have to consider with the Minister going forward.

One of the issues that comes up again and again in regard to assistance of any description in respect of mortgage relief, and in general, is the question of keeping in touch with inflation. That is important and it has to be done but we must be careful always that we do not push inflation further and create a problem when it comes down. For the people who expect relief in that area I know that it cannot come down quick enough and that it takes longer to filter through to them in terms of the benefits proposed. We must accept that the potential beneficiaries may have a worry that they are under constant pressure from one source or another so they want it to happen now. The important point is that when inflation is on a downward trajectory we should not allow a situation to develop whereby we are feeding inflation as well or pushing it ahead because that has happened in the past and it does not do anything for anybody, including the people for whom it was intended.

Ms Clare Costello

I think there is an acknowledgement at departmental level and at a governmental level in relation to that. I think that is why measures such as the mortgage interest relief are temporary one-off measures. As I mentioned in my opening statement, the budget did contain some other one-off measures and that is why they have been designed in such a manner.

I thank Ms Costello.

I am. Thank you very much, Acting Chair. My apologies for coming in late and going home early.

Deputy Durkan is spot on. That concludes our session. I thank the witnesses for attending and for the huge volume of information. Táimid an-bhuíoch as an eolas go léir a chur siad ar fáil agus toisc gur ghlac siad páirt sa phlé.

I propose that we now go into private session before adjourning the meeting. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The select committee went into private session at 6.54 p.m. and adjourned at 8 p.m. until 5.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 6 December 2023.
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