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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 14 Nov 1928

Vol. 27 No. 1

IN COMMITTEE ON FINANCE. - VOTE No. 1.—GOVERNOR-GENERAL'S ESTABLISHMENT.

I move:

Go ndéontar suim ná raghaidh thar £1,870 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1929, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí Teaghlachus an tSeannascail (Uimh. 14 de '23).

That a sum not exceeding £1,870 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1929, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Governor-General's Establishment (No. 14 of '23).

Deputies will observe that the only new item in expenditure shown in this estimate is sub-head E "motor car replacement fund, grant-in-aid." That provision is inserted because the cars which were bought when the first Governor-General took up office have become worn out and useless, and it is necessary to purchase new cars this year. It is intended that that sub-head should appear in the Vote every year but the amount, of course, would normally be much smaller than it is in the present instance. This Vote arises from Article 60 of the Constitution which provides that "the Governor-General shall be appointed in like manner as the Governor-General of Canada" and that "his salary shall be of the like amount as that now payable to the Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia and shall be charged upon the public fund of the Irish Free State and suitable provision shall be made out of these funds for the maintenance of his official residence and establishment."

In looking through the items of this Vote I began to wonder whether there was any one of the expenses that the ordinary individual has to meet from his salary met by the Governor-General from his salary of £10,000 a year. Certainly the expenses of a house have not to be met by him out of it; expenses of rates have not to be met; the expense of lighting has not to be met; the expenses of his servants have not to be met. Taking it all round, it seems to me that this Vote is characteristic of the general policy of the Government in connection with financial matters. He has not even to pay his doctor nor to pay his dues, for he has a chaplain. He has not to pay his chauffeurs, or for any single thing that the ordinary man has to pay out of his salary. Compare, for example, this total expenditure of £28,000 with one single item here—relief schemes £32,000. We spend on an absolutely useless office a sum of £28,000 a year, whereas this year, when everybody knows the conditions of unemployment, the only thing we can find for the relief schemes is a sum of £32,000. It seems to me this whole Vote is indefensible.

The Minister for Finance gave Article 60 of the Constitution as a reason for this expenditure. He says that by the Constitution the salary shall be of like amount to that now payable to the Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, and shall be charged upon the public funds of the Irish Free State, and suitable provision shall be made out of those funds for the maintenance of his official residence and establishment. It is not permissible for me to criticise, in this particular debate, that Article of the Constitution. But certainly when we have seen the Constitution scrapped in a number of particulars recently, we might have thought that when a pressing burden is being placed upon the taxpayers of this country those anxious to lighten that burden might have thought it advisable to scrap that particular Article. The Treaty does not make such an Article necessary at all. And even in accordance with the Constitution "suitable provision" does not imply that over and above the salary of £10,000 we should spend £18,000 in maintaining a suitable establishment.

Now what would be suitable in a case of that kind? Our attitude towards it is quite well known, but, even taking the position that is taken, I understand, by the Executive Council in that matter, what does "suitable" connote in the present condition of this country? Compare the whole cost of that establishment with the cost of the President's own establishment. I am not satisfied, for instance, that a reduction could not be made in the President's establishment, but, at least, we know that the President has some work to do, that there is some work to be done by that Department. But what work is being done by the Governor-General? I cannot see any. I cannot see any reason whatever for the maintenance of this establishment. The Irish people do not want it.

I was looking up some of the old debates to see what justification the Minister for Finance had for it, and what view he took of the establishment, and it seems to me he wanted it to be a respectable office, a highly respectable office, the centre of a new court life or something of that kind. Now no money that you can give will ever make that office respectable in the eyes of the Irish people. We all know perfectly well that the Irish people, if they were allowed freely to vote, would not want any such office. Even if we take the Treaty there is no reason whatever why such work as the Governor-General does—it means merely a signature—could not be done very well, for example, by the Chief Justice. If he has to sign laws there is no reason why that could not be done by the Chief Justice. We were also told that the reason for this excessive cost is that the Viceregal Lodge is a very expensive establishment to keep up, and the excuse for not going away from it a few years ago was that they did not wish to evict the then occupant. But an opportunity arose not very long ago for them to change to a less expensive establishment, and they did not do it.

I would like to know why it is that, instead of trying to diminish the costs, they are increasing them. I had the Appropriation Accounts looked up. We have not got the actual Accounts for last year, and we can only take the Estimates for last year and this year, but taking the Accounts that were available we find that, for example, in the year 1926-7 the establishment cost a total of £26,650; in the year 1925-6 it cost £26,219—these are actual costs, not estimates, and as far as we were able to make allowances for any refunds to any of the Votes, we have done so—in the year 1924-5 it cost £29,000. The total cost for 1922-3 and 1923-4 could not be got with the same certainty because of the fact that there was a change in the form in which the Estimates were presented, and in which the Votes were arranged, but taking the average, we find that the amount for these years would have been over £30,000, and taking the actual Votes that were passed—those other Supplementary Votes that were affected by the establishment—we find that there was over £30,000, including the salary, in 1923-4, and very nearly the same amount in 1922-3. Adding it all up, we find that it has cost us every year on an average over £28,000. Again I ask what is the justification for it?

Compare this with some of the other Votes. I have already compared it with the Vote for the President's establishment. The President's establishment costs a little over £12,000. Therefore the Governor-General's establishment is costing us about two- and-one-third times as much. The Comptroller and Auditor-General's Department, which audits and checks all the public accounts, costs about £20,000. The General Registry Office costs us £26,000, and, as I have said, to cap it all, the amount put down for relief this year is £32,000, while the Governor-General's establishment is £28,000.

It would be well worth the while of Deputies to go through these items carefully, and see how every possible kind of expense that could be incurred is provided for. All the Governor-General's official work is provided for, and, as I have said, he seems to have very little official work to do now—at least we are told by the Executive Council that he is not to be regarded in any sense as the representative of a foreign Power, that he must do everything he is told, and that his official work, in the long run, amounts to nothing more than signing Bills. For all that he must have a comptroller of the household who gets £600, a chaplain £250, a medical attendant £100, a private secretary £350, an assistant private secretary £350, a clerk to the comptroller £3 a week, a typist and telephonist and two aides-de-camp, who cost on the Army Vote £1,073 and on this Vote £300. Even the National Health and Unemployment Insurance is paid for him.

A DEPUTY

And bonuses.

Most of these are inclusive of bonus, so that the bonus does not come in here. If by any chance he should go out and take any of his staff with him, he is allowed £275 for travelling expenses, and he has telegrams, telephones and notepaper. As I say, I cannot see what justification there is for this lavish expenditure, because it is lavish for this country. The President of the United States of America gets a personal salary of £15,000 in that land of big salaries. He is a working President. He is really an executive officer who does executive work, and he has 117,000,000 of the richest people in the world to contribute to that salary. He has an area from which it is drawn which is, roughly, a hundred times the size of the whole of this island. What are we thinking of at all when we maintain an establishment of this character at the present time? It is said, when we criticise this Vote, that we are acting in a mean fashion; that there is something mean and petty about our action. They say: "Why do you not go for the big Votes?" So we do. We talk of the needless expenditure on the Army, the needless expenditure on the Civic Guard, as it is at present. We talk of the needless expenditure on large salaries, because we think that when the ordinary person who is paying for the upkeep of all these is scarcely able, on the average, to make a living, it is most unfair that public servants should be getting salaries which are altogether out of proportion to the income that he is able himself to make, and we think that these big salaries can be reduced.

In all the cases we are able to point to substantial percentages of reduction that could be made, but here the reduction we want is a reduction of 100 per cent. If we were careful of these particular items and if a proper headline is set in these cases, the taxpayer who is asked to bear these heavy burdens might be satisfied, feeling at least that his money is being properly spent. But at present the feeling of the taxpayer is that a large part of his money is being badly spent, that there is needless waste, and that the salaries and the general Governmental establishments are altogether out of keeping with our resources. I have tried to express that more than once by saying that we are working on a grand imperial scale, but that if we want to be prosperous we must make up our minds not to continue expending money on establishments of this kind in this lavish manner. If we are to be prosperous and if we are to do the best for our people we must take as our headline, not empires the revenues of which go into nearly a thousand million pounds, but some of the small countries in Europe that have resources somewhat similar to our own. We are going to vote against this Vote, which I do not think either the President or the Minister for Finance can defend. I do not think that anybody can defend it. I would ask all Deputies to indicate by their votes that they are not prepared to go on spending money at this lavish rate on this establishment.

There was a time when the reason which the Minister for Finance gave for this Vote would have had a certain weight with me, but after our experiences during this past session it does not by any means carry as much conviction to my mind as perhaps it would have done before. There is nothing sacrosanct about the Constitution now that it should be put forward as a defence for what, I agree with Deputy de Valera, is lavish expenditure. I do not see, and I never could see, why we should try to compare with either Canada or Australia with regard to making provision for our Governor-General. The revenue of Canada, for instance, is something like three and a half times or nearly four times as great as that of this country, and probably the same proportion would hold good in the case of Australia. I think it is simply ridiculous for us to try to provide for the Governor-General of this State on the same scale as either of those countries, either in the matter of salaries or establishment. I am in agreement with most of what Deputy de Valera said with regard to the lavishness of the establishment set up for the Governor-General's Office, especially as under the new arrangement, following the last Imperial Conference, whatever duties the Governor-General performed are taken out of his hands and the negotiations with the British Government are no longer carried out by him. Apart from signing Bills, really I do not know what work the Governor-General has to do that he should have all these typists, an assistant private secretary — yes, and a private secretary. I think that if and while we have a Governor-General, a very much simpler establishment would be more in keeping with this country. It is not as if that establishment was the accepted centre of the social life of the country. That is not the position; and I do not believe that it ever will be the position. I think there is no reason — no good reason that I can see — why a very much simpler establishment would not suit the situation. Certainly at a time when the financial position is such as it is, there can be no justification for making provision on the lavish scale made for the Governor-General, and as a protest I intend to vote against the motion.

It is with some hesitation that I rise to speak on this Vote. Amid the details of an estimate which concerns a person who lives in all the reflected glory of royalty an ordinary Republican like myself must tread very gingerly. When one gazes at this magnificent structure which has been built up to commemorate our national degradation, one is inclined to feel a sense of awe, a sense which continues until gradually one remembers that this magnificent establishment, and all its glory, is being maintained and paid for by the average working man when he buys an ounce of plug or a bottle of stout, or by his wife when she invests in a pound of sugar. It is no doubt desirable in the minds of those with the proper Imperial outlook that the representative of his Britannic Majesty should be given all the outward symbols of respectability, but we cannot forget that the people who have to pay for these symbols do not themselves enjoy a fraction of the luxuries which this gentleman is enjoying, and will continue to enjoy, no doubt, while the present system prevails.

I would not attempt to overstep the rules of order and on this Estimate advocate any alteration in the existing law. I know that the Ceann Comhairle would probably object to my doing so, but I think that I can advocate a considerable alteration in this Estimate, within the existing law, because, as Deputy de Valera pointed out, the Constitution merely makes it compulsory on the Government to provide this gentleman with a suitable establishment. I have no doubt that when the members of the Executive Council were considering what was or was not a suitable establishment they looked all round the wide world for instances of similar establishments elsewhere, and they tried to judge by what they learned from conditions in Canada, Australia and similar States what should, in their opinion, be a suitable establishment for the Governor-General here. But I suggest to them that if instead of having looked to Canada and Australia for a standard by which to judge, they had looked at Ireland only, they would have arrived at a very different result. There are 78,000 people in Dublin living in single rooms in tenement houses. Are these suitable establishments? Is it contended that any single one of these people has a suitable establishment for an Irish citizen?

Yet they are there living under these conditions, and the number living under these conditions has increased since the present Government took office. Apparently the present Government considers that such conditions form a suitable establishment for Irish citizens. We must remember that they are under no compulsion whatever to provide an establishment any more lavish than that which those 78,000 citizens enjoy, for this person styled the Governor-General. They will, in any case, have to pay the salary of £10,000 yearly. That is one of the commitments they made which cannot be questioned here and now but they need not necessarily provide him with anything more or better than a single room in a tenement building in Dublin as his establishment, and living in that establishment, he would be able, I think, to give his Imperial masters a much more truthful account of conditions in Ireland than he could possibly give under present conditions. We ask Deputies, in considering this Vote, to remember that every halfpenny expended under any of the different headings here is coming out of the pockets of our people and that these people cannot afford to pay. Let us look down the items of this Vote. I think we will find that the great majority of the posts mentioned and the different items of expense referred to are absolutely unnecessary. The first item is the Comptroller of the Household. The Governor-General is a married man and yet, although he is a married man, we have to spend £600 a year to provide him with a Comptroller of his household. A man who cannot control his own household is not fit to be put into a responsible position. I do not know what purpose this Comptroller of the Household is intended to provide for. He, no doubt, supervises the distribution of strawberries and cream at garden parties and other useful functions of the kind. He acts as a sort of head waiter at an hotel, because it seems to me that what the Government are establishing at Phoenix Park is not a residence for the Governor-General but a sort of glorified hotel, an hotel at which no fees are charged and to which anybody can come if he is lucky enough to possess an invitation and a silk hat, because a silk hat is a sine qua non to an invitation. Having provided him with a Comptroller who will control the household when Mrs. Governor-General permits him we find also that he has a medical attendant. No doubt the medical attendant is consequent on the Comptroller of the Household, but in case the medical attendant is unskilful we also provide him with a chaplain, a necessary precaution, a chaplain supplemented by a private secretary. The private secretary is so overworked that he is provided with an assistant private secretary, and the Comptroller in the counting of the strawberries is provided with an assistant also.

To check them.

The other items mentioned here under the different subheads are also equally illuminating. We must remember that we have already expended £10,000 in the salary of the Governor-General and £2,375 to provide for his household. We then allow him a mere £3,000 to meet his expenses and, having allowed him that, we allow him a mere £275 to pay for his travelling expenses.

Then we come to the most illuminating portion of the whole lot. Telegrams and telephones — £200 for telephones. Sit down with a piece of paper and work out how many telephone calls in the year that amounts to at three-halfpence a call. The Governor-General cannot possibly leave the telephone all day. He must make an average of about 90 calls a day in order to realise that total of £200 a year. The Estimate for telegrams appears to have been prepared before the Government decided upon the recent Telegraphic Act which increased their charge, or else, possibly, they anticipated that the Governor-General would do what most other citizens did after that Act was passed, proceed to send fewer telegrams. Twenty pounds a year for telegrams and £200 a year for telephones is, I think, an item not exceeded by the biggest business establishment. I would like to get some Deputy to inform us of some business establishment of any size whose telephone bill or telegraphic bill in the year exceeds that of the Governor-General. We notice, of course, that it is estimated he will not use the telephone this year as much as before, and that is something to congratulate ourselves on. The starving taxpayers of this country will no doubt be delighted to know that the Governor-General expects to spend £80 less this year because he will not have to use the telephone so often. We are going to provide him with a new car for which we are paying £1,000. It is not going to be a Ford or an Irish-made car. He is going to import a car.

I do not think that they are manufactured in this country.

If they are, it must be a second-hand one for he would not get a new one for the sum.

Mr. HOGAN

It is the same firm as the Ford.

I would like the Executive Council to make representations to the Governor-General to provide that in the expenditure of the £1,000 at least the body of the car would be made in Ireland. There are quite a large number of people in this country engaged in the coachbuilding industry and in consequence of the delay of the Government, in meeting their application for a tariff, a number of them are unemployed. I see no reason, as we are going to provide the Governor-General with a new car, why we should not at least ensure that the body of it would be constructed in this country. It would, I think, be a fitting symbol of the national position to have a representative of his Britannic Majesty attending garden parties in an Irish-built motor car.

The entire sum, however, represents an unnecessary luxury and I would ask Deputies to realise that there is no compulsion whatsoever upon the Executive Council to pay one halfpenny of the amount mentioned in this Estimate. The Treaty did not compel them to do so. There is nothing in the Constitution. It is merely their generosity. They want to give this little indication of appreciation for all the favours received from the individual whom the Governor-General represents. We want to have established in this State some sacred spot within the boundaries of which it would be possible to air our silk hats in safety without any danger of rude attacks from small boys.

They are all made in Dublin.

That at least is very satisfactory. No doubt those who gain the custom of the various Ministers, in the provision of silk hats, are very glad of the institution of this establishment, because without this establishment. I believe there would be no silk hats.

Mr. HOGAN

What is wrong with a silk hat?

I do not know whether the Minister ever examines himself in a mirror when wearing one. There is nothing wrong with the silk hat, I agree.

Except with what is in it.

I would, however, seriously suggest to the Government that it would be in their interests as well as in the interests of the nation that the establishment which the people of this State provide for this person during his sojourn in our midst should not exceed in lavishness the average establishment which the average Irishman lives in. Let him come amongst us. Let him know exactly the same enjoyment and the same restrictions that we ourselves know. Why put him above us on a pinnacle to which none of us can ever hope to attain? Let him know the conditions under which the Irish people live and he will perhaps return in due course to those who sent him here and tell them that it is not worth their while spending anything or wasting their time considering plans for the subjection of our people. If they knew the poverty under which the people are living and the gullibility of the representatives these people elect periodically they would realise that they would never have any difficulty whatsoever in reimposing their sway on this country, no matter for how long a period they relinquish it. While we can get a majority here, and a Government elected by that majority in this Dáil, supporting a Vote of this nature, then there is no hope for Ireland except we put a wall around it and describe it, as many have described it already, as a home for those mentally incurable.

The President to conclude.

We would like to hear the President, but it is not necessary that he should conclude.

This Vote has been about thirty-five minutes under consideration from the calculation which I have made. I find that the actual sum which the cost of this establishment would entail on every person in this country would be probably about 2¼d. per annum.

He is not worth it.

We were invited in connection with this discussion to roam over practically every item of our expenditure and compare it with the several items which go to make up our Budget. Deputy Lemass said that there were 78,000 people living in single-room dwellings in Dublin. The number has increased since we came into office. We provided over 30,000 persons in the City of Dublin with houses of their own since we came into office. Notwithstanding the fact, there has been an increase. That has been provided out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas, but if this money were to be saved, or if we regarded it as a sum which could be saved, it would not have enabled us to have built any more houses than we did during that period. The situation is as Deputies have correctly described it. This is one of the institutions which has arisen out of the Treaty. It is part of an honourable understanding which was arrived at at that time and embodied in the Constitution. I do not agree with Deputy de Valera that the Chief Justice should perform the functions of the Governor-General with regard to the signing of laws. That is one of the things which we endeavoured from the beginning to keep clear of, namely, that those who are to interpret the law should not make it. I think it will commend itself in future to those who come after us.

That would not be making the law, surely.

The Legislature of which the Governor-General is part should be distinct from the Judiciary. The Deputy when considering the matter will, after mature consideration, come to the conclusion that what I have said is correct. If he only subscribes his name he is part of the machinery which makes the law and he should not be called on to interpret it. It so happened that the establishment which the Governor-General occupied from the beginning is an expensive one, and it does not mean that if we vacated that establishment a corresponding saving would result. If Deputies would look over the Appropriation Accounts for the past few years they would find that when the Chief Secretary's Lodge was vacant the cost of upkeep was fairly considerable. I may say, for my own part, notwithstanding the work in my office, no matter how laborious it is, I would prefer to do it than perform the functions which the Governor-General has to perform.

What are they?

Many and varied.

He cannot control his household.

They occupy a considerable amount of time and I would deprecate singling out certain individuals performing certain duties in that position. It would so happen, if Deputy Lemass had an establishment of that size with a considerable number of social engagements to be fulfilled, that it would be incumbent on him also, notwithstanding whatever advantages he might derive from the fact that his consort would run the household, to have a person of that sort. The duties are varied. They are practically whole-time duties.

It is a whole-time job to live.

His is practically a whole-time job. It would be practically essential in such an establishment to have a person of that sort and, when considering secretarial work there, you must remember that in any office even appertaining to it — take my own office, for example — a multitude of letters come in which require to be answered. From what I have seen on the ex-Governor- General's table, on the many occasions on which I visited him, there were letters which called for answers with some expedition.

They were not newspaper articles.

Those officials included in the Estimate are necessary, and I think that it is not altogether in keeping with the rather sane criticisms which have taken place on other Estimates that so much time should be occupied on such a small Estimate of this kind.

Is the President aware that most of the palaces throughout Europe have been turned into museums, and would he not consider turning this establishment into a museum?

I consider that if strangers come to this country there should be some place where they could be properly entertained.

At an hotel.

No, I do not think an hotel is a suitable place if another place is available. I think that an institution of this sort ought to be available. In those places where palaces have been turned into museums I think that this particular institution would probably fit into a single wing of those palaces—those which I have seen, at any rate.

It is a long time since we heard the President talk so much, but I do not think that he has told us what are the exact functions of the Governor-General.

I think the main contention has been that we were not bound by the Constitution to pay a good deal of this money. The second question was whether we would be entitled to change the Constitution or not in regard to paying this money.

That is a matter which does not come up on the Estimate.

Will the President allow the Governor-General to buy six new "Lizzies" with that £1,000?

Question put.
The Committee divided. Tá, 67; Níl, 58.

  • Aird, William P.
  • Alton, Ernest Henry.
  • Beckett, James Walter.
  • Bennett, George Cecil.
  • Blythe, Ernest.
  • Bourke, Séamus A.
  • Brodrick, Seán.
  • Byrne, Alfred.
  • Byrne, John Joseph.
  • Carey, Edmund.
  • Cole, John James.
  • Collins-O'Driscoll, Mrs. Margt.
  • Conlon, Martin.
  • Connolly, Michael P.
  • Cooper, Bryan Ricco.
  • Cosgrave, William T.
  • Crowley, James.
  • Daly, John.
  • Davis, Michael.
  • De Loughrey, Peter.
  • Doherty, Eugene.
  • Dolan, James N.
  • Doyle, Peadar Seán.
  • Duggan, Edmund John.
  • Dwyer, James.
  • Egan, Barry M.
  • Fitzgerald, Desmond.
  • Fitzgerald-Kenney, James.
  • Gorey, Denis J.
  • Haslett, Alexander.
  • Hassett, John J.
  • Heffernan, Michael R.
  • Hennessy, Michael Joseph.
  • Hennigan, John.
  • Henry, Mark.
  • Hogan, Patrick (Galway).
  • Holohan, Richard.
  • Jordan, Michael.
  • Keogh, Myles.
  • Law, Hugh Alexander.
  • Lynch, Finian.
  • Mathews, Arthur Patrick.
  • McDonogh, Martin.
  • McFadden, Michael Og.
  • McGilligan, Patrick.
  • Mongan, Joseph W.
  • Mulcahy, Richard.
  • Murphy, James E.
  • Murphy, Joseph Xavier.
  • Myles, James Sproule.
  • Nolan, John Thomas.
  • O'Connor, Bartholomew.
  • O'Donovan, Timothy Joseph.
  • O'Hanlon, John F.
  • O'Leary, Daniel.
  • O'Mahony, Dermot Gun.
  • O'Reilly, John J.
  • O'Sullivan, John Marcus.
  • Reynolds, Patrick.
  • Rice, Vincent.
  • Roddy, Martin.
  • Shaw, Patrick W.
  • Sheehy, Timothy (West Cork).
  • Thrift, William Edward.
  • Tierney, Michael.
  • White, Vincent Joseph.
  • Wolfe, Jasper Travers.

Níl

  • Allen, Denis.
  • Boland, Gerald.
  • Boland, Patrick.
  • Bourke, Daniel.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Briscoe, Robert.
  • Buckley, Daniel.
  • Carney, Frank.
  • Carty, Frank.
  • Cassidy, Archie J.
  • Clery, Michael.
  • Coburn, James.
  • Colbert, James.
  • Colohan, Hugh.
  • Cooney, Eamon.
  • Corkery, Dan.
  • Corry, Martin John.
  • Crowley, Fred. Hugh.
  • Davin, William.
  • Derrig, Thomas.
  • De Valera, Eamon.
  • Fahy, Frank.
  • Flinn, Hugo.
  • Fogarty, Andrew.
  • French, Seán.
  • Gorry, Patrick J.
  • Goulding, John.
  • Hogan, Patrick (Clare).
  • Holt, Samuel.
  • Houlihan, Patrick.
  • Jordan, Stephen.
  • Kennedy, Michael Joseph.
  • Kent, William R.
  • Kerlin, Frank.
  • Killane, James Joseph.
  • Killilea, Mark.
  • Kilroy, Michael.
  • Lemass, Seán F.
  • Little, Patrick John.
  • Maguire, Ben.
  • McEllistrim, Thomas.
  • MacEntee, Seán.
  • Moore, Séamus.
  • Mullins, Thomas.
  • Murphy, Timothy Joseph.
  • O'Connell, Thomas J.
  • O'Kelly, Seán T.
  • O'Leary, William.
  • O'Reilly, Matthew.
  • O'Reilly, Thomas.
  • Powell, Thomas P.
  • Ryan, James.
  • Sexton, Martin.
  • Sheehy, Timothy (Tipperary).
  • Smith, Patrick.
  • Tubridy, John.
  • Walsh, Richard.
  • Ward, Francis C.
Tellers:— Tá: Deputies Duggan and P.S. Doyle. Níl: Deputies G. Boland and Cassidy.
Motion declared carried.
Progress ordered to be reported. The Dáil went out of Committee.
Progress reported; the Committee to sit again to-morrow.
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