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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 6 Jun 1929

Vol. 30 No. 8

In Committee on Finance. - Vote 36—Land Registry and Registry of Deeds.

I move:—

Go ndeontar suim ná raghaidh thar £32,401 chun slánuithe na suime is gá chun íoctha an Mhuirir a thiocfidh chun bheith iníoctha i rith na bliana dar críoch an 31adh lá de Mhárta, 1930, chun Tuarastail agus Costaisí Oifig Chlárathachta na Talmhan agus Oifig Chlárathachta na na nDintiúirí.

That a sum not exceeding £32,401 be granted to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1930, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Land Registry and of the Registry of Deeds.

These two offices, the Land Registry and the Registry of Deeds, are under the same chief officer, the Registrar of Titles. The Estimates for both offices were, until recently, included in the Estimate for the Supreme Court of Justice to which they were nominally attached, an arrangement which made it necessary for the enquirer to go through several tedious processes of addition, subtraction, and division before he could say how much the Supreme Court itself cost, and how much was attributable to the other two offices. The figures are now shown separately. There is little in the details of this Estimate which, I think, will cause any discussion, but perhaps Deputies would like to know something about the Registry of Deeds office. It is an old office which was founded in the year 1708. It keeps an index of all deeds that are registered—all deeds, conveyances, and wills which are made dealing with manors, lands, tenements, or hereditaments.

On the other hand, the local registration of titles office is almost entirely dealing with land purchased under the Land Acts. In that case the registration is compulsory. In other cases persons can register their lands voluntarily as they like. There are two offices under the local registration of titles. There is the central and there is also the district office in the districts. In all cases, I think, except three, it is the county registrar who looks after the work. We are considering whether we might not amalgamate, or possibly do away with the local registries altogether. There is a good deal to be said on both sides, and the matter is receiving consideration, but we have not arrived at the final determination yet.

Perhaps the Minister could inform us how long exactly it takes to register a folio when it comes up, say, from Galway or Mayo? I would like to know how many months it takes. I have found a case where it takes five or six months before the owner's name is changed. The recording of a name of a new owner seems to take a longer time than is necessary. I would also like to know how the arrangement between the Land Commission and the Registry Office is working, and whether there is any duplication there. Another point is, if my information is correct, that the Registry of Deeds Office was reformed to a certain extent since 1922. It is said the new arrangement is not working well. Perhaps the Minister could give us some information on that point.

I do not know to what alteration the Deputy refers.

Some alteration in the system.

There has been no alteration since 1922, but there has been a change in the personnel of the staff, and that sort of thing. Instead of having a head of its own, the two offices are now under the same head, and I think that rather makes for efficiency. Certainly I have heard no complaint. I see no reason why a folio should not be entered up, I mean a plain, simple folio, before several months have elapsed. If the Deputy sends me any particulars I will ask the Chief Registrar to inquire into the matter. The Deputy will recognise that there are cases where there may be great difficulties as regards transfer on account of clearance of equities, and that may take a long time.

There may possibly be legal difficulties I was not aware of.

I think, on investigation, the Deputy will discover that is a fact.

Vote put and agreed to.
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