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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 11 Jul 1929

Vol. 31 No. 5

In Committee on Finance. - Regulation of Road Traffic.

Before we separate, there are two sins of omission with which I wish to charge the Executive Council. I hope during the recess they will do penance. As far back as September an interDepartmental Committee reported on the road traffic. On the 6th June last, Mr. McGilligan, Minister for Industry and Commerce, replying for the Minister for Local Government and Public Health, said that he hoped to bring in a measure to deal with the report before the end of this Session. Nothing has been done, and these buses are doing a tremendous amount of damage. They are killing people and making the highways impossible for the ordinary people of the country.

When they are detected and charged they are confronted with very small fines. Whenever they kill people the magistrates invariably refuse information. No doubt the magistrates sift these cases as well as they can. But it seems to me that it is very hard to believe that the corpse is always to blame. Except something is done to restrain the drivers of these buses there will be much more loss of life. I see that a man was killed to-day in Bray. The other point I wish to bring before the President is that I hope during the recess he will turn over in his mind and see what is to be done with the report of the alleged grievances of ex-Servicemen. He told Deputy Redmond that he had not time yet to digest that report, but I hope he will consider it and when we meet again that some endeavour to meet their grievances will be made.

I would like to join with Deputy Murphy in what he has said about the buses, to the extent of repeating what I once referred to here, and that is the urgent necessity there is for the Government insisting on vehicles plying for hire having at least a third-party insurance. Only recently a case occurred in Milltown where a man was killed. His widow got a judgment in the court against the owners of the bus but the bus owners had no property and the widow was unable to get compensation of any kind from them. I think where the Department gives a licence to a man to drive a bus that if that man is not prepared for his own protection to insure his bus and to carry a third-party insurance, that the duty is placed on our shoulders to protect the public against these buses by insisting that they carry a third-party insurance for the benefit of the people who may be killed or may suffer through an accident caused by them. I would like to press that very strongly, because at the present time there is an urgent necessity to have this matter attended to. It is usual for the Department to make regulations and it would be within their competence to refuse to grant licences to any bus owner who has not a third-party insurance policy.

There is one matter that I would like to refer to and I mention it rather with diffidence. I wish to make it clear that I do not mention it for, as it were, Party purposes. I would like to remind the President of the position of the poor in the City of Dublin who need home help. I am not an exception as a Deputy here or as a citizen in knowing the condition of a great number of the poor of Dublin. But I do know numbers of people, able-bodied men with wives and families, who cannot, under present conditions, get the sustenance that they should get to keep themselves and their wives and families from starvation.

If the Bill that was before the House earlier to-day had been passed, it might have been possible to give these families the relief that is their due. As that Bill was not passed, it occurs to me that perhaps the President could use his influence with the Poor Law authorities in Dublin in this matter of relief. I do not know if it would be possible for the President to tell the Poor Law Commissioners to go ahead and do what is proper in giving relief to these people and their families and that later on legislation would be passed to give the Commissioners the statutory authority which they seem to lack at the moment. At any rate I would urge that the President would consider the matter and would call in the Poor Law authorities of Dublin to seek a way out by which something might be done for these people. Usually the various charitable societies look upon this time of the year as a time when work is more easily obtained than in the winter and as a time when the hardships are not so great as in the winter. Therefore it appears these charitable organisations close down at this season of the year and limit very much the relief they give, so that these charitable avenues are closed to the poor just now. I suggest that if the Poor Law authorities get some promise that legislation would follow that would relieve them in this matter and give them the necessary statutory authority they might find a way out to meet the urgent need there is in all parts of the city at the moment for sustenance for those who are unemployed, the workless and the foodless families.

I would be glad if this matter were considered irrespective of Party. I did not raise the matter in any Party spirit. If the President would take counsel with the Poor Law authorities and give his attention to it something might be done that might redound to the credit of the Government and of the Poor Law officials. Something in this direction is very badly needed. If I did not feel that it was a matter of such pressing need I would not have raised it at this hour.

Deputy Murphy has charged us with only two sins of omission. I would be very pleased if there were only two sins of commission charged against me. I think the Deputy will admit that a considerable amount of legislation has been introduced during the year, that the Dáil has been in continuous session for a very considerable time, and that even to-day quite a number of Bills were introduced which we cannot get beyond the First Stage. It so happens, as Deputies are generally aware, that the early spring and summer recess is mainly devoted to financial business, and that the introduction of financial business here in the House does not by any means represent the amount of time absorbed in giving consideration to the introduction of that business before it reaches the stage when it is brought before the Oireachtas.

The two matters to which Deputy Murphy referred—the regulation of traffic and the control of the speed of buses, and so on—have been engaging attention for a very considerable period. Recommendations have been quite recently before the Executive Council, and it is hoped—I do not think I would be justified in saying more than that— to introduce in the autumn session a Bill dealing with the matter of the regulation of traffic, and so on. I speak from recollection, but the subject mentioned by Deputy Briscoe was one of those which was dealt with in the report which was under the consideration of the Executive Council. However, I cannot say more than that proposals are at present before the Departments concerned, and they have actually got a first hearing before the Executive Council in connection with the matter of traffic.

With regard to the second matter mentioned by Deputy Murphy, a report by the Commission of Inquiry into the claims made by ex-Servicemen was made last autumn. As I have stated already in the House, various departments of State were circularised on the subject matter of that report. Replies have come in from all these departments with the exception of one. I anticipate that within the next month or two we shall have a reply from that department. That is the department which is most concerned with financial business. It would have been unreasonable to have expected a reply from that department before the financial business of the country was dealt with. Therefore it is a matter on which I do not expect to be able to make any announcement before the autumn session.

The third matter, mentioned by Deputy O'Kelly, is a matter which has engaged the personal attention of the Minister for Local Government, to my own knowledge, for the last twelve months or more. During the winter the Minister had some sort of working arrangement with the Poor Law authorities in the city and some of the charitable organisations in the city, with a view to giving more assistance than had been the practice. I think the Deputy will admit that the Bill that was brought forward here to-day, while it might make it legally possible for more extended operations on the part of the Poor Law authorities, suffered from one inherent weakness, and that is, that the Poor Law authorities in the City and County of Dublin would be called upon to spend money which had not been levied in the year. As the Deputy knows, having had experience of public administration, the rate-payer's life is but for twelve months, and the ratepayers of to-day would get an advantage which would have to be paid for by the ratepayers in the next year. Next year's ratepayers would have to bear the cost for next year and portion of whatever cost would be incurred this year.

I admit that a good case has been made by the Deputy—and a good case can be made—in respect of able-bodied persons unable to get employment. I will undertake to see the Minister for Local Government on the matter. As the Deputy is aware, the real difficulty arises where money has not been provided for the purpose. I will undertake, at any rate, to see what can be done and to see if provision can be made for those in need of it. The law ought not to stand in the way of providing relief for necessitous cases. Even though the law may be against us on the point, I think that no administrator, no judge would hold that one would not be justified, even if the law did not permit, in providing relief for necessitous cases. I am glad the Deputy has emphasised that this is not a matter that calls for political treatment. It is one of many matters that does not call for political treatment. It ought to be the concern and the duty of all Parties in the State to lend aid in solving problems such as it presents, and which, unfortunately, are common to humanity.

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