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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 4 Mar 1953

Vol. 136 No. 14

Private Deputies' Business. - Rise in Cost of Living—Motion.

Mr. A. Byrne

I move—

That Dáil Éireann is of opinion that the Minister for Industry and Commerce, in the exercise of his functions as head of the Department of Industry and Commerce has failed to take effective action to prevent the cost of living rising to its present high level, and requests the Government to take immediate steps to deal with the matter in the public interest.

This motion has been on the Order Paper for almost 12 months, so that it can hardly be said that one is not prepared to go ahead with it at this stage. It is a motion for which one would not require much preparation. We read in the newspapers this week-end that the price of butter was increased from 3/10 to 4/2 per lb., while the Dáil was adjourned. I should like to know if the Government has received any protest from the housewives' association against this uncalled-for and unnecessary increase in the price of butter. I should also like to be informed whether the Minister received a communication from Mrs. O'Carroll, representing the housewives' association, asking him whether the Government had consulted any representative of the general public, of her organisation or of any organisation catering for child welfare or the general interests of the country, before agreeing to this increase.

I have reason to believe that no person representing the general public was consulted and that it was an Order made by the Government themselves, without consulting the Dáil, thatbutter would be 4/2 per lb. And this in spite of the fact that it is only a week ago since a Minister stated the imported butter which now costs 4/2 per lb. could be sold for a profit at 3/9 per lb. I want to know from the Minister why the imported butter should now be 4/2 per lb. when the Minister stated it could be sold for a profit at 3/9 per lb.? This is an imposition on the people. Butter has gone off the tables in a good many of the homes of working-class families in Dublin. It has gone off the table in the homes of the unemployed, those in receipt of unemployment benefits, those in receipt of national health benefits, those on domiciliary treatment benefits and those suffering from tuberculosis. Substitutes are being used such as margarine. I do not know how long that will last. Other substitutes are being used in working-class homes, in the homes of the unemployed and in those homes where there are large families.

The people, instead of buying butter and margarine, are purchasing dripping everywhere they possibly can. They are using that as a substitute for butter. They cannot afford butter at the present day. Butter is gone beyond the purchasing power of a very large percentage of our population. I only speak for Dublin. I say that it is rather unfair that the organisations were not consulted.

I will go further and say that meat has gone off the table in respect of more than half the population of this city, even for the one day a week— Sunday. The price of meat has increased. If 2d. or 3d per lb. is not put on the meat, it has gone up at least 1d. per lb. There is another commodity that used to be bought. I refer to cooked ham. The price of cooked ham is gone beyond that at which even a reasonably well-paid family with a moderate rate of wages could purchase. There is no use saying we have not a rationing system nor is there any use saying that there is no need for ration books. Foodstuffs and the necessaries of life are rationed since the people are unable to pay the price for them.

Meat has gone off the tables and butter has gone off the tables within the last week or so. It was stated here quite recently, in reply to a question— I forget who asked it—that the £ which was valued at 20/- and bought 20/- worth of goods in 1940 was to-day worth only 8/9. That means that an income of £200 which a man or woman or a person in the government or municipal service received in 1940 is to-day equivalent to only £90 according to the experts and the economists. Every member of this House who has to keep a household knows how difficult it is to make the income go as far as he can because of the high prices demanded for goods and especially for foodstuffs.

We earnestly appeal to the Minister to remedy the position. I can make no suggestion and, as I have said before, I am not charged with the responsibility of making suggestions as to how it can be done. It is up to the Minister and the Government who have economists and experts on the staffs of the Civil Service to help them to devise some ways and means by which the people can get a fair share of the food at a reasonable price.

We all know that those on domiciliary treatment benefits, those in receipt of national health benefits and those on home assistance are not getting sufficient to keep them in good health. I will go no further than to say that they are not given sufficient to keep them in good health and it is up to the Minister and the Government to find a remedy for that.

Take our Army pensions for example. Take the case of the man who gave 25 years service in our National Army or that of the man who gave valuable service in the Old I.R.A. When such persons got pensions the Government meant those pensions to purchase goods to the full value of the amount of the pension given in order to help those people to live. If that pension amounted to £100 per year—and very, very few of them got that pension—it is now worth only £50. Others got pensions of £20, £30, £40 and £50 per year while others got small sums of from £7 and £8 per year. Old I.R.A. representatives at the Mansion Housemeeting issued a pamphlet in which they said that the vast majority of the Old I.R.A. have pensions under £25 per year. Are we going to do anything to help them to buy even what it was thought the £25 could buy at the time the pension was given them? These people have gone beyond the stage of being able to get employment in competition with younger men. The country owes a lot to them and it should not forget them. Those people are rapidly passing away. They are in receipt of a miserable pension of less than £20 per year.

What has happened in regard to the price of every article? The price of the tin of boot polish for cleaning the boots and shoes of the children and the price of floor polish and tinned goods has increased. The price of every article used in the working-class household has gone up somewhat even if it is only by ½d. There is no reduction. There is to be a reduction in the price of an imported commodity—tea. It would be no compensation to the people to take more tea and less butter and less meat.

From the health point of view I think that something ought to be done. I again say that the unemployed are anxiously looking forward to the Government doing something for them to enable them to get sufficient food for themselves and their children. The price of butter has increased. There is an increase in the price of clothing and the price of woollen goods has gone up. The price of everything you could think of has gone up within the last five years. The present Government promised they would reduce taxation and would do something for those people. They have done nothing. I want to give the Minister another opportunity of devoting his time to making a personal attack on myself. That is his job—his joy is to mention the name Alfred Byrne in some disparaging way—and I let him have his job.

I do not want to go into this motion further. The dance tax that was removed might have been put to some good use for the people. £140,000 a year was given back to the dance hall proprietors on the same day that theHouse by a majority voted for the removal of the subsidies on bread. I think it was most inconsistent. The removal of the subsidy on foodstuffs is something that the Government empowered themselves to do. When the last Budget was introduced the Minister tried to justify it. I said at the time that it was the most vicious Budget I ever heard of in my 40 years of public life in this country. I said it was the most vicious Budget ever introduced and I repeat that. It was an imposition on our working-class people.

In addition, the Minister killed the goose that laid the golden egg. He increased taxation, he increased the tax on the licensed trade. He would not take advice at the time. The ordinary revenue that was to come from the licensed trade has been reduced. The proprietors of those houses will have to pay a high rate of interest while they are doing any work or carrying out improvements.

I remember that the Minister for Finance was very careful to inform every member of the House here who was a member of Dublin Corporation that they could have done something about the valuations. At the same time as he was trying to put that over, he knew it was not true. He knew that was the law made by himself or carried on or enforced by himself when he had power. He had power to amend the law, to prevent inspectors going in on the word of people reporting their neighbours for putting up a shed or a kitchenette. He told the authorities at the time that it was not necessary to enforce these regulations, but he says: "Alfred Byrne was a member of the corporation that imposed these conditions." The corporation did not impose the conditions. My colleagues on the corporation here know that it is done by the rate collector in accordance with instructions laid down under the Valuation Acts and the members of the corporation as such—aldermen and councillors—have nothing to do with giving instructions or even amending the valuations.

This motion has reference to the Minister for Industry and Commerce as the head ofthe Department of Industry and Commerce and all arguments must be directed in that way to the Minister as head of the Department.

Mr. A. Byrne

Yes. I have been trying to show under this motion the number of things that have been and are being increased in price every day in the week—bootwear, clothing, foodstuffs. The Government should do something about it and do it quickly. I have no remedy for it. Recently I visited a very large number of working-class houses, some moderate, some good and some of the very lowest-paid workers in the city. Everywhere we went in those districts showed us that there is not a house in Dublin to-day that has not a son or daughter or a husband unemployed and their income is reduced to meet the increased cost of living. That is what I want to bring home to the Government, that every article that money can buy from the smallest tin of boot polish or floor polish and boot laces up to clothing has increased in price, with the exception of a few things.

If the prices were to fall, the Deputy would be very sorry.

Mr. A. Byrne

I am never sorry for anything I say in this House. I try and put it across if I can, to the best of my ability. I know that some members of the House look upon O'Connell Street as Dublin and they think that because O'Connell Street is brightened up and people are well dressed, Dublin City is prospering. Deputy Briscoe especially knows that, in the area he represents, every second house in the Ballyfermot district has one or two members unemployed.

That is not true.

Mr. A. Byrne

I am sure he has dozens of letters—as I have and every other T.D. has—seeking a recommendation for a daughter or son to some form of employment. Every member of the House, I do not care what village or town he comes from, must have in his pockets at present imploring lettersfrom constituents asking him to get employment for them. If anyone wants to see what is going on in Dublin, let him go to Beresford Place on Friday morning next and see the men there. Let him see the women lined up in queues a quarter of a mile long, waiting to sign up.

The Deputy is travelling away from the cost of living.

Mr. A. Byrne

I want to show that unemployment and the cost of living go hand in hand.

There is nothing about unemployment in this motion. This has to deal with the Minister as head of the Department, failing to deal with the cost of living. That is the charge made against the Minister for Industry and Commerce and the Deputy should confine himself to it.

Mr. A. Byrne

The people have not the money to meet the high cost, with unemployment so bad at the North Wall, in the dockyard and the shipyard. People can see that for themselves. There is the evidence that unemployment means a reduced income into the house and less money to buy the bread, the butter, the tea, the sugar, and the other things that are necessary in a household.

I cannot suggest a remedy for this state of affairs, I have no remedy for it myself. I have not the experts and the economists that the Government has, to suggest remedies to give the people sufficient money, or something near sufficient money, to buy the necessaries of life in order to maintain their families in reasonable health and comfort.

I have drawn attention to the Victoria Street Labour Exchange, to the exchanges in Beresford Place. Werburgh Street and elsewhere, as proof. I want my colleagues from country districts, in case there is any doubt as to what I am talking about, to go and see for themselves. The cost of living has gone beyond all those people and they are suffering as a result of the high prices, the unemployment and the emigration. People who cannot findmoney to get the necessary food at a fair price are emigrating. That means keeping two homes. When they go away they send home as much money as they can and then they have to pay for their lodging in whatever town they are fortunate enough to get employment in.

Our shipyards cannot get steel, and, in the three months, October, November, and December, they lost £500,000 worth of shipbuilding because the steel was not there. I do not think sufficient effort was made to get the steel for them or to provide the wages to enable the men to meet the grocers' bill. If they do not get work and wages, they cannot buy foodstuffs. The cost of living has gone beyond them and there is no other country in the world, to my knowledge, which has to pay the prices for foodstuffs that we have to pay. I earnestly ask the Minister and the Government to take the matter in hands without delay.

I second the motion. It would appear to require very little effort on the proposer's or my part, or on the part of any person speaking in favour of the motion, to adduce cogent arguments to establish that the Dáil should pass the motion. Of all the examples of the negligence of the Government in handling the affairs of the State in the past 20 months, the most glaring example has been the very drastic rise in the cost of living which was occasioned by the change of Government in June, 1951.

I do not know how Deputies who are going to support the Government point of view will speak in order to defend what has happened. There was some sort of facile statement made before Christmas by the Minister for Industry and Commerce, that, whereas the cost of living had gone up, a fact which he very much regretted, he hoped that wages would similarly have increased and that the situation would be stabilised. Any person who has any experience, as all Dublin Deputies certainly have, of the sufferings of the people in this city knows that the cost of living has gone well beyond the incomes of the people and that they are now suffering great and unnecessary hardshipsas a result of the Government's deliberate policy of increasing costs, a policy which was enshrined in the Budget last year.

Deputy Byrne has given an example of some of the effects of which he is only too well aware. The Minister and all Deputies must know the situation very well indeed without any stressing of it on my part. The fact that the cost of living has gone up by 12 per cent. since June of 1951 has meant that many people are now living on a reduced standard of living. Some persons, it is true, some lucky persons, have had their incomes adjusted to meet the rise in costs, but they are in a minority, and we have in the City of Dublin and throughout the country housewives doing on a lesser wage-packet than heretofore. We have old age pensioners trying to live on a lesser pension, in real terms, than they had before the change of Government, and we have retired civil servants and other pensioners and persons living on fixed incomes who have had no opportunity of getting an increase in their incomes also suffering greatly from what has occurred in the past 20 months.

These are but some of the groups who are now suffering from the rise in living costs which has occurred since June, 1951, and, I repeat, it is facile to say that the position has stabilised itself and that incomes have mounted up to reach the level which the cost of living has now reached. I do not know whether that argument will be adduced by those Independent members of the House who may be wishing to support the Government and justify themselves before their constituents, or by Government speakers who wish to justify what has happened in the past 20 months.

Another argument has been adduced in order to try to turn aside blame from the Government. It has been suggested more than once that it was post-Korean inflation, rising import prices—factors outside the control of the present Government—that were responsible for the increased costs over the past 20 months. There is no truth in that statement that rising import prices and external factors such asworld prices affected the rise in the cost of living. I should like to make a quotation from the Dáil Reports, Volume 135, No. 5 of December 4th last, where, in the course of a speech, the following statement was made:—

"I think it is true to say that only internal factors are causing prices to go up."

It is interesting to know who made that statement.

It is quite a dishonest quotation.

You have left out the important word.

I have left out no important word.

You have left out one word.

I copied that from the Dáil Reports. If the Minister will bring in the Dáil Reports and point out that I am wrong, I shall stand subject to correction.

You left out the word "now".

I cannot see that that makes any difference to the argument.

Most other people would.

"Now" is December the 4th of last year. It was only a few months after the Budget had been brought in—a Budget which increased the cost of living by no less than 11 points. It was quite true to say that in December of last year it was not external factors which had caused the increase in the cost of living but internal factors brought about by deliberate Government policy. The index figure for import prices clearly indicates that the rise in import prices, which I have no doubt did impose a tremendous strain on the cost of living, had by the time the present Government came into power started toflatten out. I should like to recall for Deputies that the index figure for the cost of living in May, 1948, stood at 100 and that over two and a half years later it stood at 102. In November, 1952, that was the cost-of-living index figure.

What was it in May, 1951, before the change of Government?

I have that figure and I will deal with it in a moment.

Why not mention it now?

I am going to make my own speech. I will come to May, 1951. I was not here in the Dáil in November, 1950, but the Dáil Debates are there for anybody to read, and they show——

What was the figure in February, 1951.

——the tremendous attack made by the Fianna Fáil Party, then in opposition, on the then Government for the alleged increase in the cost of living when the cost of living had increased, no doubt, by two points over that period of two and a half years. I come now to May, 1951. The cost of living had gone up to 109. I do not know what satisfaction the Minister and his colleagues derive from the fact that the cost of living had gone up. The members of the then Government had said that the rise in import costs, post-Korean inflation, were going inevitably to cause a rise in the cost of living.

But it would not do it before the change of Government.

I am going to give the figures of import prices, if the Minister will listen. The index number for import prices is taken at 100 in 1938. In January, 1949, less than a year after the inter-Party Government had come into power, the import price index stood at 228.1. In June, 1951, it had gone up to 303.4, an increase of 75.3 points. There had been an increase of 75 points in the import prices index figure, and during thattime the cost-of-living index figure had gone up by only nine points. As I said, there was a change of Government in June, 1951, and import prices continued to increase for a short period. They then flattened out and, by June of last year, they hadreturned to the figure they were at in May, 1951.

Debate adjourned.
The Dáil adjourned at 11.30 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Thursday, 5th March, 1953.
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