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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 2 Jun 1976

Vol. 291 No. 5

Vote 39: Agriculture.

I move:

That a sum not exceeding £114,361,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December, 1976, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries, including certain services administered by that Office and for payment of certain subsidies and sundry grants-in-aid.

The sum of more than £114 million I am seeking is almost £24 million greater than the final provision for 1975 but includes over £25 million for consumer subsidies on butter and milk. The provision for these subsidies in the 1975 allocation was about £10 million.

After deduction of the consumer subsidies the net amount is £89 million, compared with over £80 million in 1975. The net provision for farm modernisation, including the schemes which the EEC scheme is superseding, is nearly £13.3 million. Over £6 million is included for lime and fertiliser subsidy as compared with an expenditure of £4.4 million last year.

The gross provision for headage payments is around £17.5 million compared with a provision of £16.5 million in 1975.

The net provision for bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis eradication is £17.8 million, about £7 million more than the 1975 figure.

Over £6 million is being provided for education and over £3.5 million for county committees of agriculture. The provision for research is over £6 million, the bulk of which is by way of grant to An Foras Talúntais.

The net provision for market support is about £2.7 million, virtually all of which relates to market intervention operations in respect of beef and dairy products.

Total pay and travelling expenses is estimated at £14.4 million in 1976 as against £13.1 million in 1975. Pay and travelling expenses associated with the former land project work are now shown with the main provisions in subheads A.1 and A.3.

Detailed notes on the main activities of my Department have been circulated to Deputies and will be of help to them in the debate on the Estimate.

At the outset, it is appropriate that I should outline recent developments in regard to the common agricultural policy of the EEC which is so important for farmers.

During the past year the common agricultural policy was comprehensively reviewed by the Council of Ministers, the European Parliament and the Economic and Social Committee. This review was carried out on the basis of a stocktaking done by the Commission at the request of the Council. It is desirable to recall the main conclusions of that review not only because of the adverse criticisms which one frequently hears about the common policy but also because these conclusions are an important background to subsequent decisions taken by the Council of Agricultural Ministers. The outcome of the review can be summed up briefly as follows:

Firstly the review endorsed the importance of the common agricultural policy and its vital role in the process of European integration.

Secondly the review noted that the policy had contributed positively in the achievement of increased agricultural incomes, relative stability of prices, security of supplies and increased trade within the Community in agricultural products.

Thirdly the persistence of imbalances in certain sectors of European agriculture was noted, particularly income disparities, regional imbalances and market imbalances for certain products especially dairy products, cereals, wine, beef and veal.

Finally the review noted the need for improving and simplifying the various mechanisms of the common agricultural policy as well as the difficulties posed for the policy by the lack of progress in other areas of European integration especially in the areas of economic, monetary and social policies.

It was against the foregoing background that deliberations of the Council of Ministers on the fixing of prices for 1976-77 took place in March last. In addition, the general economic background to the Council's deliberations was one of continued inflation in many member states, sharply rising costs of agricultural inputs and wages generally as well as serious monetary fluctuations especially for the pound and the lira on foreign exchange markets. The Council agreed to an average increase of about 8 per cent in Community support prices. In our case this was augmented by the alignment step towards the level of the Community common prices.

The Council's decisions on prices were linked to certain adjustments in the monetary compensatory amounts and representative rates for certain currencies. Thus I secured agreement for a 2 per cent devaluation of the representative rate of the Irish £—the green £—which resulted in a corresponding increase in the level of our support prices. These increases will contribute to a substantial improvement in Irish farmers' incomes this year.

In the beef and veal sector the basic intervention price was increased by about 14 per cent and in the case of milk, the increases in the intervention prices for butter and skim powder are equivalent to about 2.5p per gallon in March and a further 0.9p per gallon in mid-September. In view of the existence of surpluses—particularly skimmed milk powder—in the dairy products sector, the Council is to decide by 1st September on the introduction of a system of financial contributions by milk producers with a view to applying the system as from the beginning of the 1977-78 marketing year. In the cereals sector the target price of barley has been increased by 8.5 per cent and intervention price by 4.5 per cent. The Council also agreed on new pricing arrangements for wheat. A special intervention price for wheat of bread-making quality has been fixed and the the intervention price by 4.5 per cent. The Council also agreed on new pricing into line with prices of other feed grains. The basic price for pigmeat was increased by 8 per cent and the intervention price for sugar and the minimum price for beet were also increased by 8 per cent.

Currency fluctuations during the past year continued to affect adversely the operation of the common agricultural policy. As Deputies know, I have never been happy with the way in which the system of monetary compensatory amounts operates. It creates distortions of competition and obstructs trade, especially when the rate of MCA is high and persists over a long period. In order to reduce the level of Irish MCAs I obtained the agreement of the Council of Ministers to three devaluations of the green £ last year and, as I have mentioned already, to a further devaluation in March of this year. These changes had the cumulative effect of keeping Irish MCAs over 17 percentage points lower than they would otherwise be and of increasing the value of EEC support prices in Ireland by about 15 per cent. Unfortunately, however, the weakness of the £ on foreign exchange markets continues to create problems.

I now move on to the EEC programme for the reform of agricultural structures. The total provision for capital grants to farmers in 1976 comes to more than £13 million. This includes the residual payments still being made under the former farm buildings and land project schemes amounting together to £3.3 million and current payments under the farm modernisation scheme for which £10 million is provided. As Deputies are aware, it is the intention to wind up the former schemes on 30th September next. This will mean that from next year onwards all capital grants available to farmers will be payable under the modernisation scheme.

We are now in a position to look back on the working of the farm modernisation scheme over the last year-and-a-half. In taking stock at this time it is well to reflect both on the positive merits of the scheme as well as on whatever shortcomings it may have. At 30th April last, 52,000 farmers had applied to participate in the scheme. That in itself is an impressive number. Nearly all of these would already have had a visit from their agricultural adviser. This direct contact now established between farmer and adviser, particularly in the case of those farmers who had not made such contact before, must be of positive value. The great majority of the applicants—some 42,000 of them —had in addition, been given advice on the future planning of their farms, either through the preparation of detailed farm development plans in the case of development farmers or by way of more general advice on their investments in the case of other farmers.

In the present day when capital investment on farms tends to run to substantial sums, the value of careful planning of all developments is of particular importance. There is always a serious risk that substantial investments, for example, in costly buildings and installations will be seen as the immediate solution for increasing productivity on farms. In very many cases this can be a mistaken approach particularly if a reasonable degree of efficiency in the basic operation of the farm enterprise has not already been attained in such aspects as following a proper fertilising programme or in the provision of adequate feed supplies. Without attaining basic efficiency in these matters then substantial capital investment is liable to prove more an added burden than an easy answer to the problem of increasing profitability.

When capital investment becomes more costly than the return on that investment it becomes of paramount importance. If farm planning means anything, it means making sure beyond doubt that the pay-off from investments justifies the extra expenditure by the farmer. To-day when agriculture is a highly competitive business we cannot afford wasteful investment in the industry. One of the essential merits of the farm modernisation scheme is the special emphasis it puts on proper planned development; and I would expect to see both farmers and advisers looking more and more to this positive aspect of the scheme in future.

It is, of course, a fact that at present something less than 20 per cent of the applicants under the scheme have been classed as development farmers. I am quite satisfied that this figure does not at all represent the proportions of viable and potentially viable farmers in this country. I would therefore, like to see a much wider stratum of farmers qualifying for development status and, as I told the House some time ago, we have made proposals to the EEC Commission which in our view would help to bring this about. These proposals will be examined together with those from various other sources in the context of a review of the EEC directives which the Commission has recently initiated.

Even though we have not the number of development farmers we would like, I should emphasise again that the level of grants available to all farms is generous. Moreover, they are now calculated as flat percentages of costs and this system enables periodic adjustments to be made to take account of cost changes. I am concerned, however, to think that farmers, or indeed advisers, are totally grant-orientated or that grants should be seen as the prime motivation for expansion or development on the farm. The constant preoccupation with grants to the exclusion of any thought of more positive features of the scheme seems to suggest a tendency in this direction.

Now for the first time ever, the agricultural industry is, since our joining the EEC entirely market-orientated and in this situation the farmer's decision as to whether he will drain that extra area of land, increase his stock, change his milking system or otherwise intensify must, if it is to be soundly based, depend on the return he sees himself getting in the market place at the end of the day. When this becomes the prime motivation for the farmer's decision, rather than the amount of grant he might get from the State, then I am confident that the premium which it is necessary to place on efficiency of production and the need for an adequate return on the capital invested by the farmer will fall into their proper place.

It is now a fact that a significant number of farmers are keeping farm accounts under the aegis of the farm modernisation scheme. This is a very encouraging development from any point of view. However, the keeping of accounts is one thing—the use which the farmer makes of the accounts may well be another. All these accounts will be of little value unless they are seen and utilised by both farmer and adviser together as a useful tool to point up the deficiencies in the operation of the farm business where these arise and to provide the basis for improved efficiency wherever possible. Again, I sincerely hope that we have reached the day when a farmer thinking of keeping accounts will ask rather what use will the accounts be to him instead of what grant is he likely to get for keeping them.

The scheme of cattle and sheep headage payments operated in 1975 under the EEC disadvantaged areas directive will be continued this year. As Deputies are aware, the scheme aims at maintaining viability and preserving the environment in mountain and less favoured areas and is complementary to the policies operated by the Community for improving agricultural structures. Under the 1975 scheme the amount paid out to farmers in our severely handicapped areas was about £12 million of which 25 per cent will be recouped by the EEC. This year, fortunately, we were able to persuade the Community to increase the rate of recoupment in the case of Ireland and Italy to 35 per cent. The Government have decided that the benefit of this higher recoupment should be passed on in full to the farmer. Our intention is to increase the number of livestock units qualifying for the higher grant i.e. £16, to eight and to pay £10 on the balance up to 30 livestock units—maximum £348. Last year we paid £16 on the first five livestock units; £10 on the next ten and £8 on the next 15 giving a maximum of £300. As part of the disadvantaged areas scheme we will continue to pay grants on beef cows in the less disadvantaged areas. These grants will be aligned to the cattle headage grants in the severely handicapped areas and will be at the rate of £16 on the first eight cows and £10 on the next 22 giving a maximum of £348. Outside the disadvantaged area the grants—if we are to conform to EEC thinking—must be significantly lower than within the scheduled areas and we propose to pay £12 per cow on all eligible cows after the second and up to a maximum of £300.

Sheep grants in disadvantaged areas will also be increased with £1 extra on mountain hogget ewes, 50p extra on other types of hogget ewe and 50p extra on mountain lambs.

I must stress that these are our proposals which we will shortly be putting to the EEC Commission, but we must await their approval before taking them as definitive. We have, of course, kept in close touch with the Commission and have taken their views into account in working out the revised grant structure.

The directive also authorises the provision of certain additional investment aids in disadvantaged areas and of special assistance towards fodder production and the development of hill pastures farmed jointly. We will be introducing a scheme of this kind as soon as proposals which we have submitted to the Commission have been cleared.

Before I leave structural policy, there is another measure to which I should like to refer. This is the scheme of grants which are provided out of the guidance section of FEOGA for certain types of projects approved by the Commission and aimed at improving structural efficiency in agriculture and fisheries. Since 1973, grants amounting to £12.3 million have been allocated to Ireland under this scheme covering a broad spectrum of the agricultural sector including dairying, meat, fish, cereals and poultry. This assistance has made a most important contribution to the industry's development and progress and has been particularly beneficial to the food processing sector in helping it to modernise its existing plant and provide new facilities. For the current year's scheme, Irish applications lodged in Brussels involve grant-aid amounting to £11.5 million. These applications are being examined by the Commissions at present.

I would now like to refer to some of the more important commodity developments beginning with cattle and beef.

Our cattle industry has recovered well from the very serious marketing difficulties of 1974. Market prices have never been better and confidence has clearly returned to the industry. However, it is going to take time for this renewed confidence to be translated into renewed expansion in finished cattle numbers and we must accept that our exports of cattle in live or dead from over the next couple of years will be below the record disposals which we witnessed last year.

Prospects for our beef industry in the foreseeable future are good and I expect that our producers will not be slow to respond to this situation and to the very real advantages which full membership of the Community will bring to our beef trade a little more than a year from now. They have the continuing support of the beef intervention arrangements and—on the UK market—the variable premium, and there is every reason to look to the future with confidence and to be expansionist in outlook.

In 1975 a total of over 130,000 tons of beef was purchased by my Department as intervention agency. The handling of this quantity of beef, representing about half a million cattle, involved a huge amount of work and imposed considerable strain on the resources of my Department.

Despite the improved market conditions, substantial quantities of beef are still going into intervention— about 1,500 tons a week at present. Intervention is, of course, a vital safeguard for our producers and is particularly valuable in times of surplus. It should not, however, be regarded as a normal and regular outlet. In the long run we must sell our products on commercial markets and our whole approach must be directed to this.

I might also say that intervention operations have considerable financial implications for the Exchequer. The Estimate provided a net £2.6 million to meet incidental expenses. In addition, pending the sale of the products and the recoupment of losses by the Community we ourselves have to provide the necessary capital to finance intervention purchases. This can absorb very considerable resources. At times last year almost £120 million was tied up in intervention purchases of beef and skim milk powder.

It is sometimes suggested that I should stop exports in live cattle and calves, and that all of our cattle should be processed in our meat plants. From the point of view of added value and employment, I quite agree that as a general proposition it is desirable that as much as possible of our cattle should be processed before export. However, experience has shown that competition from the live export trade helps to maintain price levels for producers and it encourages the increased production which is so important to the factories. In any event, under Community rules I have no authority to restrict the export of live cattle and calves. We just cannot turn exports on and off as we wish. Indeed, we ourselves would be the first to complain if other member states were to do this on the imports side. I might also say that given the good outlook for beef, I see no good reason why our fatteners should not be able to compete effectively with foreign buyers for calves and young cattle.

I have made several appeals recently to farmers to make maximum use of AI. I was very glad to note that inseminations so far this year showed a rise of 17.5 per cent over the figures for the corresponding period last year with Friesian inseminations still accounting for around 50 per cent of the total. I hope that this welcome upsurge in AI usage will continue for the rest of the year.

Turning to milk, the production of creamery milk continues to be an extremely rewarding activity for farmers, with prices in 1976 expected to average approximately 35p per gallon. This price compares with an average of 30.5p last year, 23.8p in 1974 and 20p in 1973 and the effects of the improving price are clearly seen in the level of production of creamery milk which in 1975 reached an all-time high of 629 million gallons and seems likely to set a much higher record in the current year.

The heavy stocks of dairy products, particularly of skim milk powder, in intervention in the Community at present are somewhat disturbing but I must emphasise that since our entry into the Community we have not sold any butter at all to intervention. An Bord Bainne have successfully marketed our entire exportable quantity. It is likely that, later this year, we shall have to face up to proposals of a financial nature from the EEC Commission designed to help reduce these public stocks to a more tolerable level.

Rationalisation and diversification on the processing side of the dairying industry continue. In July last the Dairy Disposal Company's creamery properties in west Cork were transferred to co-operative ownership so the company are no longer involved in milk processing. There is still considerable scope for product diversification and for a reduction in our dependence on a small number of products. Some of our processing firms have been showing commendable initiative and enterprise in this respect and my Department have been supporting suitable projects for grant assistance from the IDA and, where appropriate, from EEC grant-aid through FEOGA.

The consumer subsidy for butter which was specially increased in July last to reduce living costs now stands at £307.29 per ton or almost 14p per lb. The consumer liquid milk subsidy of about 2p per pint which was introduced in August last also continues in operation. These subsidies will cost £9.4 million and £15.8 million respectively in 1976.

Sheep prices have been reasonably satisfactory in recent months and prices for early lamb were well up on those of a year ago. This relatively buoyant market situation has resulted from the development of fairly regular live shipments to the Continent and increasing exports of carcase lamb to North Africa rather than from the more usual export trade in carcase lamb to France. Indeed, the increased restrictions applied by France last year and about which I protested strongly at the time were the prime reason for the weaker market here last summer and autumn. In March this year the French import charges were increased yet again.

The remedy for this very unsatisfactory situation is, of course, a common policy for sheepmeat. I do not have to tell the House how strongly I have been pressing this issue in Brussels for some considerable time past. The most recent development has been that the Council of Ministers passed last month a resolution undertaking to adopt, before 1st August, interim measures to improve the conditions of intra-Community trade in the sheepmeat sector and asking the Commission to submit a report to serve as a basis for a Council debate on the broad outlines of definitive regulations for sheepmeat. I can only express the hope that after all the frustrations, particularly in the past year or so, some positive progress will now be made towards providing equitable treatment for sheep producers under a common Community policy.

Conditions in the pig industry improved throughout 1975 notwithstanding the general recession and the difficulties experienced by all sectors of the industry in 1974. Pig prices advanced substantially and the prices obtained for bacon and pork on export markets rose to new record levels. By December, 1975, the female breeding hard had recovered to 100,900 from 88,700 a year earlier and the numbers of pigs delivered to bacon factories so far this year are up by 10.8 per cent over the corresponding period in 1975. This increase in production is most welcome and the indications are that the upward trend will continue. A higher level of output is necessary for the more efficient utilisation of factory capacity and in order to restore the industry's contribution to farm income and to our balance of payments.

A substantial increase in production should be attainable reasonably quickly, taking into account existing pig-housing capacity, the grant aid available for pig production under the farm modernisation scheme and the more active part being taken by factories in promoting increased production of pigs for their plants. Prices of feeding stuffs for pigs have been increasing and may reduce producers' margins for a while but the lesson of the past two years is clear— that is, those who maintain efficient production units of economic size and who are prepared to accept temporary fluctuations in profitability can, in the long run, expect reasonable overall returns on their investment and are in the best position to benefit from the high margins when these occur.

In 1975 the estimated output of our poultry and eggs industry was valued at about £35 million. Eggs accounted for over £16.0 million, broilers and hens £12.3 million, turkeys £5 million and ducks and geese £1 million. In 1975 the poultry industry in Ireland and other member states did not show any recovery from the recession which began in 1974 due to increases in feed costs, reduced demand for poultry meat because of competition from other meat products and, in some instances, because of over-production and surplus stocks.

Broiler production, which is operated on a contract basis between growers and processing plants, declined slightly in 1975 but there was some increase in turkey production and duck production. In the case of ducks I should say that about 70 per cent of production was exported oven-ready. Egg production has remained fairly static in recent years. About 65 per cent is now produced in intensive commercial units and the output is entirely for the home market.

I now come to the subject of livestock disease. State funds to the extent of £17.8 million net are being provided in the current Estimate under the bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis eradication schemes. This is almost double the amount spent in any previous year. The funds provided would permit a full round of TB testing in all counties including for 1976 herds in the seven north-western counties which, for some years past, have been tested only biennially. Provision has been made for an increase in the fees payable to veterinary surgeons for work done under the schemes. I am also considering extending compulsory brucellosis eradication measures to County Dublin as the next step in the nation-wide drive against that disease.

In the absence of normal rounds of testing for over a year, my Department's efforts have been concentrated on testing reactor and problem herds, especially in areas with an unsatisfactory disease history. As a result, the total number of reactors taken up in 1975 was almost as high as the 1974 figure. In the southern half of the country, the pre-intensive brucellosis scheme continues to operate. Because of the active support of the major co-operative creamery societies, there has been an upsurge of interest in the scheme. I am confident that significant progress in reducing the incidence of brucellosis can be made in these counties in advance of the introduction of compulsory eradication measures.

There is now an urgent need to resume full-scale rounds of TB and brucellosis testing and it is a great source of disappointment to me that the latest settlement proposals which I made in a final effort to resolve the current dispute with the Irish Veterinary Union have not been accepted. I am not at all satisfied with the progress made to date in our efforts to combat TB and brucellosis and I can only stress once again that it is vital, if we are to maintain and expand our exports of livestock, meat and dairy products, that there must be a real commitment on the part of all concerned to intensify our efforts against these diseases. The funds being provided in the Estimate are a clear indication of the Government's concern and commitment in this regard.

Compliance with the Warble Fly Order, 1971, had the effect of reducing the incidence of warble infestation from 22 per cent in 1971 to 0.2 per cent in 1975. Although revocation of the order in 1975 made general autumn dressing no longer compulsory, the farming organisations with the help of the AI stations organised a voluntary dressing campaign last autumn for the twofold purpose of further reducing the number of animals likely to show warbles in the spring and dealing with lice. My Department gave every assistance to this voluntary campaign.

I would appeal to all herdowners to co-operate in the measures now being taken to eradicate the remaining pockets of warble infestation and to rid the national herd, once and for all, of this pest.

Under the Sheep Dipping Order, 1965, flock owners were required to dip their sheep twice each year—in the summer and in the autumn. It has now been decided that a single annual dipping, if carried out during the period between 1st October and 31st January when the mite which causes sheep scab is most active, should give more satisfactory results in eradicating the disease and the sheep dipping order has been amended accordingly.

In view of the alarming spread of rabies across the Continent of Europe and the consequent increased risk of the disease entering this country through the smuggling of dogs, cats or other mammals, my Department are giving intensified publicity to the serious threat from this dreaded disease. All our air and shipping companies particularly the car ferry service between Rosslare and Le Havre as well as harbour authorities, travel agents, home and continental yachting clubs and so forth have been alerted to the danger of illegal importations. These precautionary measures are being taken in collaboration with our Customs, Garda Síochána and portal authorities. New statutory measures which I have introduced replace our existing regulations and substitute a more comprehensive procedure for dealing with possible outbreaks of rabies here.

Turning to tillage, the 1975 cereals harvest was generally good and returns to producers were satisfactory. The area under cereals, at 850,000 acres approximately, was however far short of meeting our home requirements. I have been using every suitable occasion to advocate increased cereals production by our farmers and am encouraged by the indications that there will be an expansion this year. I hope that this increase will be maintained over the next few years to provide at least the 400,000 tonnes or so of grain which we import annually. The returns to cereals producers are good relative to other farming operations especially with the higher yielding varieties now available and so there is every incentive for farmers to produce more grain.

On sugar beef, I am glad to note that the upturn which commenced last year in the acreage under beet is being continued this year with an acreage of about 84,000 acres. This amply demonstrates the confidence of Irish beef growers in the profitability of the crop. During the year the EEC Council of Ministers agreed that we might import about 32,000 tons of raw cane sugar annually on the same terms as sugar imported by refiners in the UK. The refining of this sugar will provide welcome employment during the offpeak period at the Carlow factory.

Ex-farm prices for potatoes have been generally satisfactory in recent years and indeed prices for the 1975 crop rose to unprecedented levels in a situation of scarce supplies and high prices throughout Western Europe generally. Preliminary inquiries show there will be an increase in the potato acreage this season and assuming reasonable yields prices can accordingly be expected to be at more normal levels.

The specific provision for horticulture in the Estimate amounts to £195,000. The major part of this is to meet commitments under the old glass-house and mushroom grant schemes which have now been superseded by the farm modernisation scheme. There is also an allocation of £25,000 for aid to producers' organisations in the fresh fruit and vegetable sector. The horticulture industry had a reasonably satisfactory year in 1975. While there was a slight drop in acreage and the yield of certain crops was affected by drought, overall quality was good and favourable market conditions gave the growers a satisfactory return. Exports of fresh fruit and vegetables continued to increase, the main items being tomatoes at £2.1 million and mushrooms at£1.7 million.

As regards the lime transport and fertiliser subsidies, I am providing and additional £1.8 million for the phosphate subsidy. After the steep world wide increase in fertiliser prices over the past two years, present indications are that world fertiliser prices are levelling out or even falling. I would again appeal to our farmers not to exercise false economy by reducing unduly their purchase of fertilisers.

Because of the cut back over the past two years increased usage of fertilisers has now become an urgent necessity. Generally speaking our tillage crops receive adequate fertilisers but, if we are to make full use of the potential of our grassland, we must keep up and improve its fertility. This can only be done by adequate application of the proper fertiliser nutrients, including lime.

The grant-in-aid provided for An Foras Talúntais to meet general expenses in the current year is £5.6 million. A further £50,000 is provided by way of grant to An Foras for capital purposes.

The amount of the State grant to An Foras has increased very substantially in recent years. The non-capital provision for the current year compares with a grant of £1.28 million paid ten years ago or £2.4 million paid five years ago. The State's financial contribution to the development of the institute's research network since its foundation will, in fact, have exceeded £35 million by the end of the present year.

It is generally accepted that in the period since 1958, when it was set up, the Agricultural Institute have established a research organisation which compares very favourably with similar organisations in other countries. In that time the work of the institute has made a significant contribution to the development of the farming industry. I am pleased to say that farmers themselves recognise the value of the institute's work and that they have backed up that recognition with a willingness to contribute financially to particular aspects of the institute's activities. This is a development which I particularly welcome and, indeed, I would very much like to see all sectors of the farming industry following the example of the dairying industry and of those other sectors which are already contributing financially to the work of An Foras.

The Agricultural Institute will, of course, be incorporated into the proposed National Agricultural Advisory, Education and Research Authority. This must result in still closer liaison between the research workers and the advisory services and in a more rapid and more effective translation of the results of research activities to farmers through the advisory services.

The Estimate provides £3.5 million for county committees of agriculture and other substantial sums for agricultural education and training.

There is general agreement on the importance of ensuring that farmers have a good basic knowledge of the principles of agricultural science and how to apply them in their farming practice so as to obtain the best results for their expenditure of time, effort and money. Success depends on careful planning of the farm programme and on good farm management with ability and readiness to make use of improved techniques. Education and training are necessary to achieve these aims.

Committees of agriculture continue to provide in conjunction with my Department an agricultural advisory and education service to farmers and rural dwellers. The Government published last April a White Paper setting out their proposals on the establishment of a new National Agricultural Advisory, Education and Research Authority. Work is going ahead on the preparation of legislation to give effect to these proposals.

The effectiveness of the existing services has been improved in several ways. To date a total of 59 agricultural education centres are planned and already 25 of these are in operation throughout the country and a further seven are under construction; grant aid of up to £20,000 is paid by my Department for each approved centre.

Last November following consultation with the Agricultural Advisers' Organisation, I approved the creation of 70 posts of senior instructor. This is a new grade in the advisory service and the new posts will be filled from the existing advisory staff. The senior instructor's main job will be to supervise and co-ordinate the work of all the advisers in an advisory district and to help them plan their education and advisory programmes.

During 1975 a scheme of vocational training for people aged 18 years and over and engaged in farming was introduced by county committees to meet the requirements of EEC Directive 161. Under this scheme farmers and farm workers receive special training designed to improve their farming skills and to help them to adapt to modern agriculture.

Before concluding, I would like to refer to the overall performance of agriculture in 1975 and also the prospects for the current year. For farmers, 1975 was a good year with substantial increases in output and farm income. The value of gross output increased by 34 per cent from £634 million to £850 million. There were substantial increases in the value of most products including cattle, milk, sheep, wheat, barley, sugar beet and potatoes. The most significant feature was the remarkable level of sales of cattle, which provided a very large supply of raw material to our meat industry. The rise in the milk intake by creameries, to which I have already referred, was also very encouraging. At the same time, the fall in the national cattle herd was disquieting and the decline in the area under cereals must be reversed. With a substantial decline in the use of feed and fertilisers purchased by farmers in 1975 the volume of net output rose by 10 per cent. The growth in net output in 1975 has meant the total increase in net output over the past five years has been over 25 per cent—not a bad achievement for an industry which is sometimes accused of not being dynamic. The overall result for farmers' income was an increase estimated at about 50 per cent over 1974 and this has brought back confidence to the industry about its future growth.

As for 1976, present indications are that it, too, will be a good year for farmers. Although cattle disposals should revert to a more normal level, cattle prices will be appreciably higher than last year. Given favourable weather conditions, milk yields are forecast to increase and intake of creamery milk is already running at 16 per cent over last year, and in this way we expect a substantial increase. I know that the value of the agricultural industry in the economy as a whole is generally appreciated and that Members of this House will adopt the Vote I have just recommended.

Whenever I listen to the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries I am reminded of the song about Brian O'Lynn. You may recall a verse which goes:

The bridge fell down and we all fell in, "But there's ground at the bottom" says Brian O'Lynn.

The Minister's peroration is a classic example of the native detachment of the Minister and the Government generally from reality and the clever cooking of figures talking of the sharp rise in farm incomes. They did rise in 1975 but in order to get the picture right we must go back another year when farmers' incomes dropped by from 40 to 50 per cent. What they did last year was to recover a bit.

The adroit handling of statistics— and the Minister is good at handling statistics—is an art in itself. If you are good enough, and the Minister is, you can even convince people who have suffered a loss of income that they did not suffer such a loss. The reality is quite different. The general effect of the Minister's speech would be to think that Irish farming is forging ahead, that everything is fine, that farmers are prospering as never before and that the outlook is very good.

Referring to realities, if we look at the cattle scene at present we discover that in the past 12 months alone the farmers and the country suffered a loss of about 560,000 cattle. There are that many cattle fewer in the fields of Ireland now than there were a year ago and if the Minister lightly claims that the advances made in the price arrangements in Brussels were his own achievement he must accept responsibility for the badness in the picture as well. In the case of sheep the picture is also bad. In cattle and sheep the current market prices are good because of a combination of circumstances, one of which is the declining numbers and the scarcity of cattle and sheep and pigs. The number of sheep has dropped from more than 4¼ million since we left office to about 3¼ million now and the number is still dropping. In County Kilkenny last year there was a 40 per cent drop in the size of flock. There has been a very sharp drop in the size of the pig herd in this country since Fianna Fáil left office. There was a record number of 7¼ million cattle in the country when we left office or shortly afterwards, but there has been a steady decline since then.

The Minister and his Department are charging the management of Irish agriculture generally but last year 28 per cent of the cows in Ireland were slaughtered in the factories. A hundred and fifty thousand or more calves were sold out of the country because the situation that obtained at that time evidently made it unprofitable for any cattle producers to buy them here, but they were bought by the Italians and the Greeks and others to whom it seems profitable not only to buy them but to cart them across to Italy. There was nothing in the Minister's speech except rejection of responsibility in this regard. The Minister said that it would be against community rules to restrict the export of calves. It would be a severity on the sellers of calves to restrict their market in the absence of the Minister doing anything constructive about improving the domestic market for calves. When we were leaving office there were about ¾ million cows in a beef herd in this country suckling calves and it is fairly true to say that that herd has been largely destroyed altogether.

It was of great importance and it is not possible for this country to run its cattle economy properly without the existence of this secondary beef herd which would be complementary to the main dairy herd in the country. One of its main functions would be to take up the calves produced by the dairy industry and convert them into beef fairly quickly. The beef incentive scheme which was established in Fianna Fáil's time was very successful in this. One of the defects was that it give rise to the very uneconomic system of single suckling. A revised beef incentive scheme should not subsidise single suckling. There should be multiple suckling because it would direct the assistance to the more efficient use of the milk supply of the cow in the beef herd. It would also give assistance to the type of farmer who most acutely requires assistance.

It is fair to say that in the past two years there has been from the Government and the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries a total absence of action. When the crash came in 1974 the Department and the Minister seemed to be hypnotised into complete immobility by the magnitude of the crisis and they did nothing and continue to do nothing. The mass slaughter of the breeding herd particularly last year and the mass sale of the cattle that would have been the material for agricultural production in this country to our foreign competitors, which is still continuing to some extent, puts us in a scarcity position which naturally creates better prices, and to some at any rate, including the Minister, gives the illusion of well-being and prosperity. But there is no denying the figures or the magnitude of the loss sustained by the agricultural industry generally in terms of livestock on the land. The losses last year were staggering. Six hundred thousand cows, practically a third of the cows in the country, were slaughtered last year and exported. This gave the Government an opportunity to say that our cattle exports were never better. Naturally, they were enormous because we were selling our breeding stock.

The whole situation in the cattle sector of the agricultural economy is changing very rapidly and it would appear from our performance as a country that it is taking place unknown to us and without any action from us. In the area of the conversion of calves into meat, in the next decade the traditional methods of grazing and possibly a two or a two and a half year cycle from birth to slaughter will have been superseded completely by intensive calf breeding. This is becoming more and more common in the developed countries and in some of the less developed countries that have a great need for meat production, calves are put into intensive feeding and they are finished within a year or 14 months. We should contemplate a change in our pattern for the production of cattle that would shorten the production cycle to the greatest possible extent.

We would need also to consider our cattle breeding. In that regard the Minister referred to an upsurge in the use of artificial insemination. In reality, the use of artificial insemination had dropped to half what it was in our last year of office and there may be a slight upturn now. The Minister said that there was a 17 per cent increase. Having reached the bottom and having declined to a really disastrous level, it crept up a little and this is what is called an upsurge. This is also self deception. It is no good saying that because we recovered a little from the disastrous level to which we had fallen last year that everything is fine in the garden and that we have an upsurge.

We have not nearly got back to our position in 1973 in the matter of cattle breeding. Cattle breeding is more important now than ever. It requires more careful study now than ever before. A number of things are happening on our traditional British market. It is becoming more and more self-sufficient and the amount of meat we can sell there is diminishing every year. In a year or so, they will have arrived at the point where they will be self-sufficient. That points to the continental market. It is good to see that our sales in the German market especially have been expanding in spite of the monetary difficulties the Minister referred to, and they are very real.

We have always prided ourselves on the quality of our product. Irish meat is of very high quality but it is not the quality to which the European customer is accustomed. When we talk of high quality Irish meat we are probably talking about Hereford cross meat or meat produced from Friesian based cattle. This type of meat is not very popular in Europe. We need to examine the European breeds of cattle such as Charolais and Simmental which produce the high lean content meat which is popular with the customer in Europe.

So far as I am aware the Government have given no inkling of their awareness of this need for a change in our breeding patterns. We should be making a great deal more use of the Simmental breed because, while the Charolais produces really first class export meat, the Simmental has the merit of being dual purpose and producing high quality milk as well. As a crossing beast for the Irish herd a great deal of intensive examination should be made into the potential of the Austrian or Swiss Simmental.

The reality as distinct from the euphoria in the Minister's speech is that the Irish cattle herd has been taking a hammering in the past three years. The quantity of the herd has diminished very seriously and the quality has diminished very seriously.

The use of unlicensed inferior breeding animals has spread enormously. It must have, because the number of inseminations in the artificial breeding stations has dropped to half what it was in 1973.

The Minister made a cheerful reference to the situation in the sheep market. Prices of sheep and lamb are very good at present. The general situation is relieved by the new markets we have in North Africa and elsewhere, and by the drop in the size of our own flock. The Aunt Sally in this picture for the IFA as well as for the Minister is the attitude of the French Government. They are being made to carry the responsibility for the protection they afford to their own producers. The Minister is beating the wrong Aunt Sally, and so are the IFA.

The real nigger in this particular woodpile is the British Government and protocol 18 or 19 of their Treaty of Accession. I have forgotten the number, but it is the protocol which entitles them to bring in about a quarter of a million tons, or so, of New Zealand Commonwealth mutton and lamb every year. The facilities afforded by this protocol were extended at the summit meeting held in Dublin last year.

At any rate, our problem in the European and Commonwealth context is very small. What we want is a market for a maximum of about 7,000 tons of lamb. The British are bringing in about a quarter of a million tons of lamb and we blame the French. That does not seem to make sense to me. I remember Mr. T.J. Maher and a group of IFA people picketing the French Embassy about a year ago. I could not help feeling they were picketing the wrong embassy and that they should have been picketing the British Embassy, if they wanted to picket. I doubt that it would serve any real purpose.

I also think the European Commissioner, Mr. Lardinois, is a bit remiss in this regard. He is reluctant to offend the British. The commissioner has always, in my eyes, at any rate, evinced a pro-Britishness which is common enough amongst Dutch people. Our experience has shown that he has no inclination to regularise the sheep market in the EEC as all the other markets have been organised. I sympathise with the Minister's difficulty because I know he is up against a reluctant commissioner and an unheeding Council. There are only a couple of countries in the Community of Nine who are interested in sheep. It is difficult for the Minister at Council meetings to convince his colleagues of the vital importance of sheep husbandry to about 30,000 of our farmers.

Speaking of sheep, more attention should be given to the question of mortality in flocks, especially winter mortality and especially in mountain flocks. I often wondered whether it might not be worth while for the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries to take time on television to alert farmers to the dangers that arise to their flocks especially in the winter time from diseases like pregnancy atoxemia, and so on. A little timely husbandry could save a lot of money. It would be a worth while investment on the part of the Department to examine the desirability of having a small television programme possibly once a week on a topic such as that.

The same shrinking and drawing back to which I have referred in the cattle herd and the sheep flock exists in the pig herd as well. There is the same absence of organisation. I can see immediately that the pig and bacon industry generally is very difficult to organise. A rationalisation scheme for bacon factories was in existence and I wonder what has become of it. For a herd with a kill of possibly two million pigs a year—I guess that is in or around what it would be—the factory capacity of the Irish industry is much too large. It contains 35 or 36 units some of which are very modern and very efficient but in the last analysis the onus for the inefficient, old-fashioned, backward-looking pig producers must rest with the herd owners. It is important to bear in mind that pig production, as well as milk production, must remain the pillar of the small farm economy. There are exceptions. There are specialist producers in the field of horticulture and so on but these are a minority. If we are serious about maintaining the smaller farmers on the land we must do everything possible to make pig and dairy production an economic reality.

The Minister referred to the creditable performance of the dairy industry during the past year in regard to gallonage but, as has been the case in respect of the cattle herd generally, there is a diminution in the dairy herd, a diminution which shows a serious drop in numbers. This situation need not necessarily lead to a drop in milk production but it probably will have this result in the absence of any measure to increase the production of individual cows. Maintenance at the 1973-74 level of milk intake is not an economic proposition. There must be a rapid increase in the amount of milk taken in at reception points throughout the country. A couple of years ago we were thinking in terms of a milk intake of 1,000 million gallons per annum but I doubt if we will reach that figure by 1980. The common mistake that many farmers make is in thinking that the way to increase milk production is to increase cow numbers. That is one way of achieving this aim but it is not the only way. Another way is to improve the quality of cows and the standards of cow management and nutrition as well as to extend the milking season. This factor is of vital importance to the dairy industry, an industry which has invested so many millions of pounds in processing plant which may remain idle for a long time. It will be very economic for them to pay premiums on both late and early season milk. It would be well, too, that the Department would indicate their interest in this and their readiness to participate in this area.

Co-operatives have been under attack recently by the Government and may have to defend themselves on certain fronts but in the context in which I am speaking they have not done anything dramatic. One of the many serious deficiencies which the dairy co-operative movement has shown is a lack of interest in this matter of the extension of the milking season.

The Minister's speech had an allusion or two to the question of animal health. When we speak of animal health at present we are talking of the dispute between the Minister and the veterinary profession regarding the brucellosis scheme and the Minister's refusal to allow the TB eradication scheme to go ahead. Everybody is aware now that the veterinary union are a very intractable group of people. The Minister was right when he said that lay persons should be engaged in the disease eradication programme. I do not believe the contention of the veterinary union that the taking of blood samples is a matter for professional people only. They say it is and in the context of what they say and of their reference to underemployment in the profession and also in the presence of their adamant refusal to accept anything else, both they and the Minister should consider the introduction of lay staff whose work would be confined to duties of a non-professional kind. I acknowledge that what I propose is a compromise. I acknowledge also that the veterinary union have been very intractable in this regard but they say it is the Minister's responsibility and has been his responsibility for the past 18 months to ensure that the disease eradication programme goes ahead uninterrupted.

Leaving aside the dispute between the Minister and the profession, it has been my opinion for the some time that an all-out attack on animal disease is necessary. The Minister knows well the reasons for this. He knows of the hygiene conditions imposed by the EEC in respect of which there is a deadline of 1978, a deadline which we have not a hope of reaching. However, we should endeavour to do our best. Any Government would need to make special financial provision for this scheme. Instead we have had a very serious regression. I have personal evidence of this in the appearance of lesions in cattle at meat factories in a herd which had been cleared for a long time but which was admittedly, in a danger county—Kilkenny. There is a body of evidence that would point to the increase in the disease status of cattle. There is the re-invasion of clear herds by both tuberculosis and brucellosis.

I suspect that all the manifestations of brucellosis in both male and female animals is imperfectly understood and that a good deal more research is required in this area. One aspect of brucellosis that escapes the attention of most people is its ready transmittability to humans. Human brucellosis is becoming a serious medical problem. I suggest to the Minister that the veterinary union is prepared for a settlement. Many people have been repelled by their obduracy just as they were not impressed by the Minister's evident lack of zeal in looking for a settlement. As a possible compromise. I suggest that lay staff should be used for reading ear tags, rounding up herds and other unprofessional work. Herd testing could be a lot more efficient than it is. Any person who has personal experience of it, as I have, will know that the procedure is very ragged. The vet may arrive in the yard on a Tuesday morning before you have finished your second cup of tea. While the cattle are being rounded up the vet is standing around the yard for two hours. Veterinary time is far too expensive to be wasted in that way.

I want to refer to the general state of farming as reflected by the enormous drop in the use of fertilisers and lime. Since we left office the use of phosphates has dropped from 155,400 tons to 91,775 tons, which is a drop of over 50 per cent. Last year there was a 40 per cent drop on the previous year. The use of potash has dropped from 93,000 tons to 50,000 tons. Strangely enough, the drop in the use of nitrogen has not been as dramatic. There is a very serious danger in this. Any farmer will tell you that you can get a quick result from the stimulus of nitrate fertiliser. With the rapid spread of silage making in recent years that is what has happened. Instead of buying the basic nutritional fertilisers farmers are being driven to use the stimulant nitrogenous fertilisers, either ammonium nitrate or urea. This gives plants the capacity to rob the starving phosphate and potash resources that remain in the land and it damages the soil structure.

Having regard to the fact that our use of fertilisers was only half the right amount in 1973, a drop to about half that quantity is intolerable. The effect it has on crop production, especially grass production, is that after three years of this treatment grass production will be halved. We cannot sustain that because our main objective in agriculture is the expansion of our herd. The earth is being spurred and stimulated but it is not being nourished. Any farmer will tell you that you cannot get away with it. The land will wait. If it is deliberately damaged it will have to be deliberately repaired. The repair process takes longer than the damage process. The use of lime is down by half a million tons. In the case of soil approaching the 6.3 ph level, unless sufficient lime is spread you will not get any result from the use of phosphate fertilisers. Phosphate fertilisers are fixed in the form of iron and aluminium salts and the phosphate you have paid for and spread on the land becomes unavailable unless you spread lime.

It is hard to see the good cheer that the Minister's speech exudes from every page. Admittedly, it is the Minister's own well-mannered approach. It is low-key good cheer, but there is no basis for it. There is a need to look at the question of the subsidy. The subsidy has dropped since we left office although the cost of phosphates has tripled. The subsidy on potash has gone altogether. If you compare the proportion of the available subsidy to the total cost of phosphates you will find it has dropped to vanishing point. The current phosphate subsidy is not realistic. The Minister is right when he says it is false economy to rob the land without using lime, phosphates or potash where necessary, but it is trite to say that and nothing else. The Minister should say that, having done that, the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries will ensure that you have adequate markets for your expanding herds and accept that it is his job to ensure that you get it in co-operation with the farming organisations. Of course, the evidence is that you will not get it because of the shrinkage of animal stocks.

As a farmer I sometimes think that we have become over-reliant on the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries and on Brussels. This is foolish.

Reliance on others has affected the farmers' co-operatives as well. The food processing industry has had to fight for its life in recent months against the Government's proposal to tax them into the ground and inhabit their growth. Co-operatives can play a vital part in the development of agriculture. It is clear from the Government's action that they are not aware of the enormous potential the co-operative organisation have. They have achieved many things since the early sixties such as the concentration of the dairy industry, its modernisation and the development of the capacity to handle vast quantities of cattle in 1975. Was it one million tons in that year?

It was 1,300,000 tons.

That is a pretty formidable achievement. In the case of the dairy industry the whole business is co-operative and the meat processing is largely co-operative. In my opinion their organisation is defective in many ways. The whole thing needs to be studied by them and also by the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries because in the end the co-operative movement will require Government assistance and also sympathy which they do not appear to have at present.

I firmly believe our economic recovery will be based on the food industry. We are fools if we do not cotton on to that fact and also ensure that the co-operative movement is doing its job properly. I do not believe it is doing its job properly at the moment. The movement should be told that. The co-operatives are possibly, in many ways, prisoners of their own origin. They are framed in the straitjacket of the framework from which they grew. Their organisation, marketing, management structure and the service to their shareholders are bad. I know there are some shining exceptions.

We have been talking at length about cattle, sheep, pigs and improvement in nutrition and feeding. I am not aware that the co-operative movement in any spectacular way have shown any interest in the type of cattle produced by their shareholders, how they feed them or what type of animal health status exists in the herds which supply them. It is their business to do this. I hope, in the future, that I can talk more directly to the co-operative movement about this. We will need this enormous industry with all its faults, which is still growing and in many ways very modern, for national recovery.

Farmers, instead of relying on the donations of the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries or the farm modernisation scheme, should rely in the final analysis on themselves and their own organisations, especially the co-operative organisation and take whatever assistance and sympathy they get from whatever Government are in office at any particular time. They should rely in the first place on their own resources, strength and people. Farmers should try to get away from the hand-out because it is destroying initiative. That message may be beginning to sink into people's heads at the moment.

I was glad to hear the Minister saying that he is seeking an overhaul of the farm modernisation scheme. There is unanimity throughout the farming scene about the short-comings of the farm modernisation scheme as it applies to Ireland. It is unreasonable for the Commission to suggest that the same standards should be applied to the highly developed Dutch or Danish agriculture as should be applied to ours, which is not half developed because of the limitations that have been imposed on agriculture in this country for so long.

The element of flexibility is missing from farm development. I do not like the exclusion of large numbers of people to the limbo of transitionalhood because the underlying suggestion to the people who are so segregated is that they have no future in farming. In many of the more prosperous agricultural constituencies there is probably a future for the part-time farmer whose holding is too small to afford him a living and he has to have a job.

The denial of any assistance to such a man under the farm modernisation scheme is unfair from the social point of view. It is unwise socially because the consequences of this denial eventually will be that the man will sell his land and go to live in a town or city. Our towns and cities, especially the major ones like Dublin, Cork and Limerick, are big enough. The depletion of the countryside has to stop. There will be a further diminution, no matter what happens, because of the marital status of a great many households and because of the lack of successors in farms and the high average age of farmers. There should be a national resolve, which should not be confined to one party, one group or one section, that the decay, as distinct from the diminution, of the rural population, must be stemmed. In some cases, such as land acquisition, radical measures will have to be adopted to stop that decay. The farm modernisation scheme can be a weapon in the hands of the people to combat this. I applaud the Minister's efforts to have it revised and I wish him well.

Talking of rural decay, a process of which we are all aware, as we are all aware too that the process is most acute in the western part of the country where the disadvantaged areas scheme applies, I think the Government should raise its contribution. This is one of those schemes which is discriminatory and the Minister was right when he looked for payment by the Brussels Community rather than by substantial national Government contributions. The difficulties Governments such as the Italian Government and our own Government have in paying their share are far greater than the difficulties of the French Government, the German Government and the Dutch Government, and so their disadvantaged areas scheme is far better than ours. That, of course, is not the Minister's fault because when we are talking about providing money we are talking about providing taxpayer's money. If we are serious about giving assistance to those in the poorer disadvantaged areas but fail to provide that assistance, then we shall have a deserted countryside.

There needs to be a fundamental examination of this whole matter. First of all, there needs to be a fundamental decision made whether or not we are really serious about keeping people in the poorer parts of the country. If we are then we must decide and decide honestly. The Government must tell the people what they are going to do. These problems have not yet been thought out sufficiently and there is dire need for them to be thought out. One of the references we have in our locker is the disadvantaged areas and I hope the Minister will take note of what I say.

The Minister gave himself a little pat on the back about his achievement in the 2 per cent devaluation in the green £. By the time the Minister was home from Brussels the value of the 2 per cent devaluation had been dissipated.

That is not right because you never lose the value of what you gained there.

In a sense. It is not as bad as it might have been. It can be measured by the size of the MCA. The Minister spoke about MCAs and the effect the devaluation of the green £ had, modestly enough really, but in the way politicians talk. The effect on our exports was wiped out in a week. That was not the Minister's fault. It was due to the slippage of the £ on the money markets of the world. The relationship between the value of the green £ and the value of the ordinary £ has changed to the detriment of the agricultural community because of the slippage of the £. I think the Minister should look now for another devaluation in order to keep the coefficient. If he does look for it, however, we will be in trouble with the Minister for Industry and Commerce because it would have a bearing on the cost of foodstuffs.

The Minister made a valiant attempt to paint a picture of temporary well-being, of forging ahead, all systems go, onward and upward into the new upland of the future. Great stuff, but it is not true. That is not the way we are going. If one looks at the stark realities and the weapons in our hands, the animals we own, the crop production, the condition of our fields, they are all wrong. They are all headed in the wrong direction. I regret that, while the Minister's efforts have been in many ways creditable in his arduous journeys back and forth to and from Brussels, we have no progress to report. We have been losing ground for the last three years and we cannot afford to lose much more.

I compliment the Minister on his very comprehensive brief. It is a most interesting document. The principal Opposition spokesman's contribution, apart from a few necessary political gibes, was fair enough. Since the Minister took office he has made a reputation for himself in Europe. In the sphere of bending the very rigid EEC rules the Minister has been quite successful in regard to the farm modernisation scheme and the farm retirement scheme. But we need much more. The Minister is obviously not getting much support from the other member states when it comes to bending rules in favour of this little nation. From the point of view of success I would instance the Minister's achievement in regard to the inclusion of certain types of grants in the deprived areas scheme. That was a significant achievement that practically went unnoticed and I would like to put on record my appreciation even though my part of the country is not involved to any great extent. That achievement and his achievement with regard to the green £ are noteworthy. Some people might be inclined to say he was nearly overdoing it with regard to the green £ but he has worked like a trojan to level up and solve the monetary problem as a result of the daily devaluations of the £.

Mention has been made of the importance of a well-informed farming community. I am not at all sure that our investment in agricultural education is at all adequate. I would mention specifically our investment in post-primary education. One would think from our post-primary schools generally that the agricultural scene was not as important as it is. Our vocational schools are geared towards sending young people into industry, and many of our post-primary schools are too academically-minded, whereas, with the way agriculture is progressing, there will be, in spite of what the pundits say, more people employed one way or another in Irish agriculture in the future.

As Deputy Gibbons pointed out, we are not as well developed as our EEC counterparts. We have a long way to go, but that in itself, the fact that we have a potential, that our potential is not exhausted is an advantage; in other words, we have places to go. Unlike our European counterparts, who have practically exhausted their agricultural potential, we can, especially in the areas of the country that are not so well developed, start development. A lucrative market is available and what may have been considered in the past an expensive operation not worthy of investment is now viable. I refer to the massive drainage programmes that are currently being undertaken. This will put into the hands of young people additional land for dairy production, beef and so on and more important than anything else, will give employment on the farm.

In relation to the farm modernisation scheme, one aspect I would complain about is in relation to the scope for part-time farmers. Part-time farming has become a very significant factor in many parts of my constituency, where people find employment for part of the year in the food processing industry as well as having a small portion of land. This is a development which should be encouraged. These people should not be pushed gently out of agriculture to make way for bigger farmers. On the contrary, the Land Commission should look at the situation. I would like to see young people, who work in industry in the towns being able to obtain small portions of land, 20 or 30 acres, to enable them to carry on a part-time operation, which is a sound proposition both for the people themselves and for the economy, and also fulfils a great social need. It prevents the depopulation of rural Ireland and encourages the people out of the cities and towns, thus solving a number of problems.

Again on education, while the agricultural advisers have been doing wonderful work in regard to winter classes, it is hardly adequate, especially in the present context of people having to work late and early and finding it difficult to attend these classes. We must start with the youth and treat agriculture the same as any other subject for leaving certificate and so on, with more emphasis on agricultural education. The better-informed people are, especially in the context of the EEC, the better job they will do in farming.

The Minister, in referring to dairying at length, said that something like 629 million gallons of milk are being produced and that the price of milk has gone from 16p to over 30p a gallon. I do not think we can hope for this type of spiral to continue in dairying; in fact, I am quite sure it will not. Prices will stabilise and costs will probably continue to rise. Obviously, there is great scope here both in regard to work on the farm and at factory level. In relation to production on the farm, I am not thinking in terms of greater numbers of cows; in the past few years there has been too great an emphasis on this. I would be inclined to think of better cows. I paid a short visit to some Six County farms in the recent past and I was amazed at the large number of high-yielding animals. We, too, have our high-yielding herds but, unfortunately, they are not the rule. We must think more of better animals and ruthless culling of the low yielders. This we are slow to do. A good healthy cow is allowed to continue consuming valuable grass although not paying her way. The time to cull is when these animals are making good prices in the market place.

On the processing side of the dairying, here again the Department should be complimented for their performance in helping out new projects. I myself was involved in a few of these projects, and this is the sort of thing we must continue to do. We now have the very useful marketing umbrella of Kerrygold. This market brand is to be found all over Europe and in many other parts of the world as well. It has a reputation for high and consistent quality. There may be talk of a European recession but the EEC is still a golden market for us. The British market is not as good as it was, but we have this fantastic market in Europe for as much produce as we have to sell. Every day of the week they are looking for new products, blue cheese, yogurt and so on. We should be diversifying into all these new products and this is where we will score.

As regards yields, we have for far too long been ignoring the real lactation period, and we must think of bringing forward the calving dates. With modern techniques, artificial insemination and so on, this is feasible. With the advance of science it is now possible to have practically the whole dairy herd calving in a matter of 48 hours. This is a great step forward, and the people who have explored this should be complimented. Deputy Gibbons mentioned the use of scrub bulls. Very often the use of lesser quality bulls is due to the failure of artificial insemination and sometimes the difficulty of observing animals in heat. With the strides that have been made, it is possible to have all the animals inseminated at the one time. I am particularly interested in this development and I would like to see it being universally used.

During the debate it was said that our beef cattle breeds are not all we would like them to be. I do not altogether agree with that view. Our cattle are generally up to European requirements and that is what we must think about. It may be that initially when we were moving carcases into intervention not enough emphasis was placed on quality and on the preparation but this has been taken care of. I should like to see the boning of the animals, and indeed the use of the entire animal, being done at the processing plants. I should also like to see an Irish product being exported with a brand name so that it is possible to identify it back to source. Our exports in this area should not be unbranded or anonymous, as at present. In order to obtain top quality it is necessary to identify the product and this benefits the marketing end of the business. For instance, if we were selling meat under the Kerrygold brand, it would be identified in the market place as a high-grade product of consistent quality. In the recent past we have not had this kind of consistency. People engaged in the marketing end of the business have had complaints from the market place but now such matters will be taken care of and I am glad to note that.

Mention was made of the exporting of animals and the Minister informed us that he has not the right to interfere in this area. If a certain number of live animals must leave the country, so be it. We should not compel people to take a certain course but we should encourage them by making processing more attractive. That should not be very difficult. If the Italians can produce beef in 12 months there is no reason why we should not be able to do that here. In one of his speeches the Minister referred to the "jobbing" mentality and I think it is true that we have inherited that kind of mentality with regard to cattle. Frequently the same animals change hands four or five times.

With regard to winter feed, in the past we may have put too much emphasis on expensive rations and not enough emphasis on proper silage-making. We will have to give consideration to the intensive fattening of animals. In my opinion that is the road to efficiency. I was interested in what the Opposition spokesman had to say about the Simmental breed. Perhaps we should carry out more investigations into their effectiveness as a dairy breed. I had not associated them with dairying but if they have this potential obviously they are a breed that should be carefully considered.

The Minister referred to tillage and I was glad to note that recently he has spoken quite a lot about this matter. At the moment there are about 1.2 million acres of tillage, which represents only about 10 per cent of the total area under crops and pasture. In other EEC countries, farmers with suitable land plough as much as possible. We have a long way to go to catch up with them.

Cereals are the most dominant crop in a tillage programme; they comprise between 70 per cent and 80 per cent of any such programme. If we are thinking of increasing tillage, we must think in terms of wheat, oats and barley. In the last few years prices for these crops have improved significantly. For instance, bread-making wheat has increased from £48.67 per ton in 1973 to £76.80 in 1976; soft wheats have increased from £48.67 to £67.82; feed grain has increased from £38.97 to £65.80. These are significant increases in a short time but the acreage under cereals has remained static at around 850,000 acres.

I am quite sure that the opening exists for substantial increases with regard to the area under tillage. We could double our milling wheat and the same applies to feed barley and oats. We have a considerable amount of land available and there is good tillage land in the south and east. We could produce cereals comparable with the best in Europe. The Agricultural Institute and An Foras Talúntais have helped to pinpoint the potential of these areas. We could produce not only our own requirements but also a surplus for export. In the past we had national guaranteed prices so that producers at the time of sowing could be certain of the harvest prices. These prices can now be influenced by world markets. There is the gap between intervention and threshold levels and the price range can be substantial. At the moment our shortfall is in the region of 400,000 tons while in the case of the north of Ireland it is 1,000,000 tons. We could push our grain acreage by nearly 500,000 acres. These figures do not take into account the additional demand for pig meat and poultry.

From conversations with people engaged in the machinery business at the recent Spring Show I am convinced that the swing to tillage is coming. It was very noticeable this year in the demand for sugar beet acreage. I should like to compliment the Minister on his approach to sugar beet. I am delighted he has now taken the sugar beet industry under his wing. For the first time ever the sugar factories are now under the control of the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries, where they belong. I do not know what stupid reason there was for keeping them under the Department of Finance in the past because the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries was the proper one for this important and vital industry. In a short time the Minister has succeeded in upping our "A" quotas of sugar significantly. This year we can grow 84,000 acres of sugar beet and he guaranteed a price for all our sugar. However, I am not satisfied that we should leave it at that. The main inhibiting factor at present is the capacity of our factories. Even though times are difficult and money is hard to get, a lot of money must be spent on this industry. The capacity of some of our factories must be doubled. We got the wonderful concession this year of being able to import cane sugar from abroad so as to keep our factories going during the off-season but I see no reason why we could not get involved in the partial refinement of sugar. During the busy season part of the refinement could be carried out and in the off-season the refinement could be completed.

The importance of sugar beet cannot be emphasised enough from an employment point of view and from the point of view of feed to supplement the feed grain. The Irish Sugar Company for a number of years have been toying with the idea of putting in proper ration and feed plants. This is long overdue. It would need State aid to get it off the ground. This by-product of sugar has proved to be very valuable, healthy and a useful ration. I was hoping that this year all applicants for sugar beet would be satisfied. This was far from the case. There was a tendency among farmers to move back into sugar beet but the tragedy was that we were not able to satisfy their needs. I hope that no time is wasted on improving our sugar quota still further because these are the sort of concessions we should and must get from the EEC. It would be different if we were looking for handouts but all we are asking for in this regard is an opportunity to produce. We cannot be denied this. I am sure the Minister will not be denied it and will succeed in pushing the quota to more than 250,000 tons of white sugar. That should be our target.

If we succeed in that we will have more people employed in the sugar factories and on the farms. The natural follow-up from sugar beet is grain and this would make grain growing more attractive. If that happened a better balance would be struck. There is the danger of our agriculture becoming lopsided in favour of dairying. All the EEC Directives have been an encouragement into dairying and very little emphasis or assistance towards tillage farming. I could never see the logic of this because we have always had a good tradition of a balanced type of farming. I am in favour of restoring that balance of tillage and dairying. I see nothing meritorious in this one type of production particularly with the type of soil we have. Obviously, parts of the country will have to continue with a limited type of farming, dairying or sheep production, but in the areas where we have soils of universal application, where virtually any crop can be produced, a balanced type of operation should be encouraged.

I have not seen anything in an EEC Directive which gives help to tillage farming. This is an area where a lot of help is needed. With the expensive equipment involved we could also go to the EEC seeking assistance in the expansion of the horticultural side of this industry. Horticulture was given scant enough mention in the Minister's brief but in my view it is an important part of the agricultural industry. It is one that could grow given the necessary help. It has been the Cinderella of the industry for many years and of late the demand for the product has been growing. We have been having consistently good years of late. It may be due to the fact that other European countries were having a bad year but we have now found our place on the European market with a series of good products. We should be making a greater effort to get more markets for these products.

In my view this all goes back to the idea of centralised marketing. I know that is not a very palatable proposition for those with good products to sell but looking at our exports from a national point of view there is a lot of logic in the type of marketing adopted by some nations, of offering all their products under the one brand name. Some nations offer all their products under the one marketing theme. That is very important. We have limited marketing expertise without having it as diversified as it is at present. We need to pool our resources in marketing and it would be better if we could get all our products under the one brand name. In this way we could offer to our customers a full range of products and the scarce product could be used to sell the product that is more plentiful and less in demand.

I was interested in the comments with regard to fertilisers usage. I am satisfied that while fertilisers took a bad turn in 1974—this was probably due to the late buying in 1973—the use of fertilisers has improved. In my part of the country it is back to normal. I agree with Deputy Gibbons that the overuse of nitrogenous fertiliser could be damaging in the long run, but by and large it served a useful purpose in the short-term. It helped people to get used to the shock of the high price of phosphates and potash. All Irish soil that is farmed properly has massive reserves of phosphates and potash.

With the high cost of handling, bags and so on, I should like to see the Department and the Agricultural Institute examining the question of bulk handling. They have made a success of this in other countries but it has been pointed out that because of our moist climate we would probably have difficulties with bulk handling. Yet, whatever the snags, it is well worth exploring and I see no reason why large amounts of fertiliser for sugar beet and such crops could not arrive and be spread on the farm. It would mean a significant saving to farmers and lead to efficiency.

I must compliment the Agricultural Credit Corporation for their performance, especially recently. It augurs well for general confidence in agriculture when the commercial banks and the ACC are quite willing to fund any worth-while agricultural enterprise. As a young farmer I often tried to convince my bank manager that I had a worth-while project but often I did not succeed. It is a new situation now when you have lending agencies volunteering assistance to farm enterprises, The ACC are particularly worthy of commendation because of their long term lending, the most significant form of lending for agriculture, as money can be availed of over a long period. There is not much hope of the "fast buck" in agriculture which provides steady income over a number of years.

The Opposition spokesman mentioned land acquisition. This is a matter for another Minister. I believe it could help significantly, if we had land moving, even on some sort of long-term leasing, directly into farmers' hands. The Land Commission are not doing a good job with the 11-month system but are continuing a bad system. I should like to see the wishes of the Macra na Feirme President carried out in this respect, so that as soon as possible we would have long-term leasing.

I am confident that the Minister's work for this all-important industry is showing results and I have no doubt that he will continue to guide agriculture in future years. I trust he will meet with the same success. We have had ups and downs in agriculture since the Treaty of Accession but of all industries agriculture is meeting the challenge best. Farming contributed largely to our economy in 1975 and will continue to do so in 1976. Prospects generally are good. We are in what I regard as the upswing in Europe and at any stage they could well afford to pay for our products. They always insist on the best quality. It took a certain time to get to know what they wanted. For instance, in horticultural produce we did not have what they wanted initially whereas Israel and some other countries did. We are now getting around to these things.

Deputy Gibbons said that our beef breeds are not correct; perhaps not. We know there was a time in intervention when what butchers would call the hanging period for meat was not adequate if we were to produce the right product. If this was so, we should not take that short cut in the operation.

The potential for expansion in agriculture is vast. We are not nearly up to the standard of production in European countries. Perhaps in the past the type of expenditure required was not justifiable—I shall not criticise that—but when you have land making about £1,000 per acre and conacre making £100 per statute acre we must look seriously at the amount of waste land we have and see what can be done about getting it into production. As has been said, production here is only a drop in the ocean in the EEC markets. If there is a mountain of anything in the EEC we are only contributing a barrow-load and it is irrelevant to suggest that we are producing too much milk or anything else. Our production is not significant in that context.

We can employ many more people, however, in agriculture and associated industries. When the crunch came these were our best industries, food processing and so on. In the rough days of 1974 we had full employment in dairy industries and meat processing. This will be the pattern—more processing. As the Minister said he cannot and will not prevent live exports, but if the processing side is made more attractive there would be no need for live exports. If we copy the Italian methods there will be no need to send cattle to Italy or anywhere else; we can give the Italians meat in a cellophane bag and gain full advantage for the processing of that meat at home; in other words, we can give the employment at home. All that is going to take a considerable amount of money and a certain amount of time, but now that the money is available the encouragements under the Farm Modernisation Scheme are there. I agree that the scheme is certainly still a bit tight. Another criticism I have is that there is far too much paper-work involved in this scheme. It is too difficult to operate. The scheme should be centralised quite a lot and should embrace practically everybody working in agriculture.

I do not favour the idea of gently nudging people out because of transition or something else. My advice to anybody who has a few acres of land is: "Hold onto it by the skin of your teeth and try to get a few more if you can." It is grand to have people who are brought up to being able to go out and grow the necessaries of life. The proof was in the year that is gone when potatoes were scarce. I noticed this year that a lot of land that had been growing wild grasses and so on is now being brought back into cultivation. Even around Dublin people have suddenly discovered that potatoes can be grown in gardens and places like that. All that is for the better. During the emergency there were schemes, especially in the suburbs, where people got plots of ground to cultivate. For one reason or another, perhaps because food was cheap, all these plots were neglected and fell by the wayside. The same thing happened in the UK. I noticed recently over there that they, too, had given up that idea. However, there might be something in it for the future. If people especially in suburban areas had little plots they could fight the flab or do something with a shovel in the evenings and thus provide a certain amount of their family requirements.

The Minister's actions with regard to the veterinary dispute indicate that he is doing his best in this very delicate and difficult area. At this stage I am not going to comment on it but I wish him well and I compliment the president of the IFA for his efforts to resolve the dispute. I agree with Deputy Gibbons about the seriousness of the dispute and how it could affect our cattle exports in the future. We all hope that the Minister will be successful and that in the near future this awkward situation will be resolved because the sufferer eventually will be the farmer. The business of lay technicians is a difficult area. However, the system is being used in the north of Ireland and as an experiment here it probably would not have upset the industry at all. I am hoping that, thanks to the intervention of Mr. Paddy Lane, we will have an end to this dispute. With regard to the taking over of the Irish Sugar Company by the Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries, I would like this matter to be expedited and that the Minister would put his boundless energies into seeing that this industry is expanded. Up to now all he had to do was to try to get more sugar for us. He has now a direct involvement. I hope he will come down and visit our factories and compare them with some of the EEC factories and that the necessary improvements will be carried out. I see no justification for the importation of cane sugar for any reason, especially when, with the partial refinement of sugar, we could make the necessary work for the off-season. I hope the Minister will convince the people in Government that this is certainly an area of great investment.

We have, thank God, gas and oil off our shores and mineral resources coming along our way, all very helpful and necessary but the basic wealth of this country has been and always will be the first six or seven inches of Irish soil. We have a long way to go before this will be fully exploited. The next ten years will see a significant development in this area because, as has been pointed out, we are in fair and square competition now with our European counterparts. There was a time when we had very often to give away our products and the products had to be subsidised. There is no longer much need for that.

We are, of course, still helping with regard to subsidies, I was glad that somebody gave us credit recently for an extra sale of 4,000 tons of butter. This was certainly a pat on the back. We have regained what I consider the very necessary supremacy over other commodities and I refer to margarine. It is great that butter has really come back on the market in such a big way. Again, it was due to a little incentive given by the Government.

In the future we will be facing the open marketplace with good markets, assured markets. With regard to grain we have £5 or £6 a ton advantage there over any imports because of our insular nature. Therefore, I see no reason why we should not be self-sufficient. Why should we be importing 400,000 tons of feed grain? Why should we not be putting nearly one million tons of feed grain into the north of Ireland when it is needed there?

All these are matters that we will have to encourage and foster but if the indications from the machinery people are a good guideline the tendency is back to a certain amount of tillage which is a very good thing. I am constantly in touch with agricultural people and their confidence is there at the moment in expanding, in farm machinery, in farm building and in dairy herds and in the general appearance of farm premises. It is significant that we are developing our farms into show pieces as they should be developed. This will become more noticeable as time goes on and travelling around Ireland would be like travelling around any other EEC country. Our farms will be of just as high a standard as the farms in any European nation. These fantastic improvements are particularly noticeable in the west of Ireland, even in the small-holdings, and why not? The more we do to help these people in their farms the better. There is more to life than economics. For social reasons and everything else small farmers here, whether part-time or otherwise, should be encouraged. There should be more emphasis on retaining people in rural Ireland. In the end the nation would be the better for it because we would have better social structures, less congestion in our cities and a better balance generally.

I wish the Minister well in his ministry. He has been the subject of a lot of unnecessary criticism from time to time. That may be part and parcel of his portfolio but he has gone abroad as a man of great determination who is extremely popular with the farming community. It is important that he should not be swayed unduly. The ball stops in his court at all times. He has to accept responsibility for his Department, make decisions and, very often, he can be a very lonely man when he has to make a difficult one. If it turns out to be a good one he receives all the praise but, if not, he is the subject of much criticism. However, the important thing is that he makes decisions and that is where he shines. Perhaps not all of his decisions were the correct ones but the important thing is that he made them. I compliment him again and am proud to be associated with him.

I am delighted the Minister has come into the House with his Estimate for Agriculture. Since I came in here I think this is the first time this Estimate has been debated. For the past couple of years the Estimate was passed in approximately three or four minutes before the House adjourned for the summer recess.

I listened very attentively to Deputy Hegarty. In the course of his contribution he said the Minister very often is a lonely man. I believe the Minister's heart is in the right place but that his back-up from the Government is extremely bad. Any criticism I make of him is well intended.

I am very disappointed that there is no agricultural policy spelled out in the Minister's brief. It merely states our present position and what has taken place in the past year. But, as far as I can see, there is no policy on agriculture. Farmers are not too badly off at present and not much heed would be taken of anybody who would complain that he was. But there is a lack of confidence persisting because they have had a bad three years, particularly 1974, which will never be forgotten, in which the farmers suffered a severe setback in their incomes. After all the ups and downs since our entry into the EEC— and I have discussed this with the Minister before—I would have thought that there would have been some study undertaken in Europe with regard to the future of agriculture.

We do not even have an indication of the trend of consumption in Europe at present. We are merely told that cattle are likely to be good. We know that because they are scarce at present. We were told the same about milk and other commodities before. I want to know if there will be any direction forthcoming from the EEC or will they continue to function as inefficiently? I stated this openly before, and I do not mind repeating it, that our Department could teach them a lesson. It is my experience that the inefficiency and lack of study of consumption trends in Europe have led to meat piles, milk piles, by-products of milk and so on. There does not seem to be anybody who can indicate where we are going. There are many people within our own group in the EEC who should be able to give some indication of forthcoming trends in the next four or five years.

The Minister said things were looking good for certain commodities at present. I agree with him there, but I do not think the Minister would stand up and say they will be good in four or five years' time. He could not do so because there is no planning in agriculture. As Deputy Hegarty said, no matter what oil is found here, agriculture will remain our principal industry. I have been reading a comment by a communist who said that people would need to get back to the land. He said that in capitalist and communist countries now the trend was to go back to the land, to the family farm. That is all the more reason why we should study agriculture. Indeed our financial position and so on over the past 12 months would have been very much worse were it not for agricultural exports. I do not believe any attempt is being made within the EEC with regard to forward planning. It may be contended that I am always speaking about this, but I shall continue to do so. I contend that there should be some type of balancing fund set up within the EEC in case of the rainy day in respect of any commodity.

Deputy Hegarty spoke, very properly, about why we should get back to tillage. When I was doing some tilling I was laughed at. About five years ago I had to throw potatoes on the roadside. We saw what happened to them last year because no planning had taken place. Had I received something out of the Kitty at that time I could have continued in potatoes. Had the small cattle man got something out of a fund in 1974 he would not have been as badly off. I know the State cannot afford it, but surely there could be set up a balancing fund in Europe that could withstand the cost. Such a fund would cushion people against a drop—nobody's fault, except bad planning within the EEC. Now that things are going fairly well I cannot see why such a fund could not be created and I would ask the Minister to give it very serious consideration. I would ask him also to give serious consideration to the question of planning. People might ask "What good is a plan?" But a target or plan is vital for any farmer. Otherwise he will not know where he is going. Therefore, it is essential that he have such a target even though he may not attain it.

Deputy Hegarty said that our production was only a drop in the ocean. I have listened to that for a long time. When the slash came in 1974 our drop in the ocean was hit just as were other countries. If a commodity goes down, the small producer is hit just as is the larger one.

The Minister mentioned that the ideal situation would be to have our cattle processed, an opinion with which I thoroughly agree, but that would not be possible within the context of the EEC. Unfortunately, we are in a unique position until we educate people in my part of the country to produce cattle and finish them. We are doing everything possible. But, traditionally, they were produced in the west and finished in the east. In 1974 we had to depend on the factory and on the east and neither gave too hoots if we gave them away. If cattle are to be sent direct to the factory I should like to see some kind of agency set up to buy them, and not make rings, as they did in 1974, to ensure that they got them cheaply. Everybody is aware of that fact. Even though I agree wholeheartedly with what the Minister said, in the general interests of the country, employment and so on, processing and sending out our cattle would be the best way of doing it. We are in a unique position that the majority of our young cattle are finished in the east while being produced in the west. Under no circumstances would we agree that there be any stocking of cattle going out on the hoof. We will be reaping the full benefit of having been in Europe in 12 months' time. I cannot see why any feeder or factory here could not compete with their counterpart in Europe.

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