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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 16 Feb 1984

Vol. 348 No. 1

Financial Resolutions, 1984. - Financial Resolution No. 11: General (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That it is expedient to amend the law relating to customs and inland revenue (including excise) and to make further provision in connection with finance.
—(Minister for Finance.)

Before we adjourned the debate I was talking about tourism and its importance to the nation. I put forward certain proposals to the Minister and he showed a certain degree of interest in what I was saying. I hope he will follow up the suggestions I made. At the same time, Government proposals to increase the prices of drink, cigarettes and petrol will do untold damage to the tourist industry. There is great concern in Killarney and throughout south Kerry about the impact of these increases on the industry this year. Any wise Government in present conditions would have allowed the prices to remain as they were.

In relation to the social welfare system, I here issue an invitation to the media to come down to south Kerry — we will look after them — to see the situation there. A Fianna Fáil Government, the country being as it is, would have looked after the less well off — this is the time when they need looking after. I can assure the Government there is an outcry about lack of attention to those people. As I have said, I invite the media to have a look at the picture in south Kerry and to hear the expressions of concern of the ordinary people there.

I abhor the increases in charges for school transport because they are beyond the capacity of ordinary parents. The same problem exists in relation to examination fees for intermediate and leaving certificates.

I should like to see the Government making a start on the programme for replacement of old schools and the building of new ones, particularly post-primary schools. Many primary schools in south Kerry required replacement many years ago and the sooner the Minister for Education sorts out this matter the better.

In Killarney we have a serious problem about the vocational school in the town. Teachers and pupils work in serious overcrowded conditions. Part of the school is in the form of prefabricated buildings, the remainder of the school is insanitary and is a health hazard, and it is unreasonable to expect teachers and students to engage in the practice of educational methods in such conditions. The school is on top of the priority list of the Kerry VEC and I hope the Minister will regard it as a priority.

There are many problems in relation to the health services which the Government must face up to. It is not good policy to curtail the duration of the stay of elderly people in hospitals. When they return to their home environment it is necessary for them to seek domiciliary treatment and in more cases than not they have to return to the hospitals for further treatment.

Another problem which is reaching crisis proportions is that of young people seeking training as nurses. I appreciate there is a limit to the number who can be trained each year, but it appears there has been a curtailment in the intake of student nurses in teaching hospitals. I suggest the Minister and the Government should look more closely at it so that ways and means can be found to get more young people into nursing.

There has been an interesting development in regard to local authority financing. Under the 1983 Act the Government have virtually played havoc with local authorities. It is no longer the right of the elected members to levy charges for services rendered — it is now the prerogative of the manager — and this takes away from the democratic rights of local elected representatives. Councils are now imposing intolerably high rents on local authority tenants. I feel very strongly about this.

I have come across cases of married men with seven or eight children, getting £80 or £90 a week unemployment assistance, but because their parents or parents-in-law are getting pensions the young couples are being charged £15 a week in rents. This cannot be justified by any criterion. Though I hold with the differential rents system, I disagree completely with the way the system is being operated, because it is obvious that a concerted effort is being made by the Government to make it impossible for young married couples to pay local authority rents out of social welfare assistance. This serves to increase housing waiting lists. I suggest that those responsible for the differential rents system should make special arrangements for hardship cases for which there does not appear to be any provision at the moment — if there is, it is not taken into account by those assessing the rents.

There is no doubt but that county roads are in a terrible state of repair. I remember a few years ago when members of the present Government stated clearly that if motor tax was reintroduced it would cure all the evils in relation to local authority financing. It was stated that there would be more money available for roads if motor tax was reintroduced. It was reintroduced at three or four times the 1977 level. Are the roads any better for that? The answer is "no".

I attended a number of meetings in south Kerry and the question of what happened to the huge sums of money collected from motor taxation was raised. That money goes to the national Exchequer but it is not channelled back into the roads. I can assure the Minister that county roads are in a bad state of repair and that county engineers and other members of local authorities have given up any hope of ever having them repaired. This is very serious.

I am amazed that the Government are not putting more money into the construction industry. Everyone agrees that this is the best way to do something about unemployment. The construction industry was never in a worse state. The moral of the entrepreneurs involved in that industry is extraordinary. They just built one house ahead of the market. The industry has a high labour content and I ask the Minister to give more thought to this industry which has now reached an all-time low.

PAYE workers are paying a very high and disproportionate level of their income in taxation. PAYE and PRSI are now so high that it is a disincentive for young people to work, much as they would like to do so. An overhaul of the taxation system is long overdue.

The Government should realise the importance of the high level of security which should be given by our security forces. They should ensure, having regard to the high level of drug abuse, the unacceptable level of crime and the large numbers of young people who come in contact with the Garda at an early age, that recruitment to the Garda Síochána remains at the level it was in past years. There is a certain amount of cynicism and apathy on the part of the public because they believe the level of recruitment will not remain at what it was. Money spent in this area is very well spent. The Government should provide more money and recruit more gardaí this year.

As regards taxation I do not know if it is news to the Minister but it is a well known fact that people in receipt of mortgage subsidies from the Department of the Environment have them taken into account and reckonable for income tax purposes. This defeats the whole purpose of the scheme.

Not necessarily.

That scheme was designed to provide an incentive to encourage young people to build their own homes and take them off the local authority housing list.

Applying income tax to it does not change that.

Ask any young person in Kerry who suddenly finds out that his mortgage subsidy is reckonable for income tax purposes and he will let the Minister know that the news is not good. If you want to take that to its logical conclusion why not include housing grants as a whole for income tax purposes? Why should the mortgage interest subsidy grant be specifically included as income for PAYE purposes? This is something the Government should seriously reconsider as it does not make sense.

I should like to ask the Minister and the Government to do something about decentralisation of the Department of Social Welfare. I am convinced that an appeals officer should be permanently resident in each county. It is very hard to understand why a person who has appealed a decision to reduce, abolish or discontinue payment of unemployment assistance must wait four, five or six months before his appeal is heard. In relation to social welfare matters a person should have his appeal decided within a month to six weeks at the very most. The only way this could become a reality is by assigning at least one appeals officer to each county.

There should be speedier decisions by the planning appeals board and they should give urgent priority to cases where jobs are involved. In Kerry I know of a number of appeals which have been under consideration for six to nine months and there is still no decision on them. The Minister is in a position to do something in relation to this matter. The Minister for the Environment should exercise his powers under the planning Acts and issue a directive to the planning appeals board asking them to prepare a priority list. If this is not feasible he should prepare a list and ask the planning board to co-operate in implementing and supporting that list. Many jobs are held up due to red tape in the planning appeals board. It is very difficult for an outsider to know where the problem is although we all know it exists. It would be sensible to give top priority where jobs are concerned and it would also be in the national interest.

This budget will do nothing to solve any of the major problems facing us at present. I should like the Minister to take an interest in providing interest-free or highly subsidised loans to help people in the tourist industry who now find themselves in serious financial difficulties.

We must have an economy in Ireland which can respond quickly to new demands in the international marketplace. Ireland lives by trade. We export more than practically any other economy in Europe as a proportion of our output.

Therefore, more than any other country in Europe, Ireland must be the country that is able to respond most quickly to changes in international demand.

We cannot afford a rigid "dirigiste" economy as might countries which build their prosperity on a large home market. Instead we must be ready to change old policies, old ideas, and old ways of doing things, if that is what is necessary to win orders abroad. Recent Government policy initiatives will help make Ireland a more flexible economy.

The most important step in recent months was the introduction and widespread extension of the enterprise allowance scheme. This will encourage unemployed people to set up their own businesses. Individuals, setting up their own businesses, motivated by the drive to survive, provide the best possible hope of a flexible economy in Ireland. The fact that the scheme also allows for people to get their enterprise allowance payments, and their pay-related benefit entitlements, in an initial lump-sum will be a big help in capitalising their business at the start.

This Government have also given assistance, in the form of tax relief, to encourage the development of a private rented housing sector. This relief has been extended in this budget. As the National Economic and Social Council have pointed out, the private rented sector has been discouraged by fiscal policy in Ireland until now. Our aim should be to have the maximum availability of private rented dwellings so that people can easily move from one part of Ireland to the other in search of work. Anything which assists people to go to where jobs are to be found increases the flexibility of our economy and improves our efficiency.

The same can be said about pension entitlements. The system of private occupational pensions at the moment frequently discourages people from leaving one job to move to another. This is because they cannot take their pension rights with them. I would like to see us have a private pensions system whereby people could move easily from one job to the other and I have initiated a study by my Department of how this can be done. This will also add to the flexibility of our economy.

The budget gives tax relief for profit sharing schemes. Again, if these schemes are introduced generally in Irish industry, they will increase the flexibility of our economy. At the moment, wages are linked to categories of work rather than to the performance of the firm in which the worker is employed. Thus, workers in profitable firms get lower wages than they are entitled to, and workers in loss-making firms lose their jobs because there is no mechanism for adjusting their wages to take account of the reduced profitability of the firm. A general profit-sharing system of income determination in industry would reduce the inflexibility of the wage structure. This would make Irish industry much more adaptable in its cost structure and help it to win and hold foreign business. It would also ultimately encourage more employment in industry and less reliance on labour-saving capital investment.

The size of the public sector is also a factor for inflexibility in the economy. The more resources that are absorbed in a centralised politically determined public sector, the greater is the risk that our economy will not be responsive to new export opportunities. The aim should be to develop the decentralised market sector of the economy to maximise flexibility. Steps taken by the Government since 1981, particularly the controls on public service numbers, have helped in a big way to slow down the growth of public sector costs in Ireland. We have a good distance to go yet, but much has already been achieved.

We should look at practices in industrial relations to see if they reduce the flexibility of the Irish economy in any important respect. Skill demarcations, the system of redundancy payments, the form of labour contracts, are all areas that ought to be examined from a perspective of maximising flexibility in the economy to help us win new export orders.

The growth of part-time work, and the use of sub-contractors, are the most notable developments in the labour market in industrial countries in the last ten years. This is borne out by numerous EEC reports. Both have increased the flexibility of our competitors. One of out of every two new jobs created in OECD countries is a part-time job. The majority of these jobs are being filled by women.

The size of the traditional manufacturing sector has declined in most OECD countries, partly because of the increased use of sub-contractors. In the UK, 40 per cent of the jobs were in manufacturing in 1951, and now less than 30 per cent of all jobs are in manufacturing. This is because manufacturing firms are contracting out for various services, specialist firms of accountants, advertising agents, machinery repair firms, and so on, formerly done in house. The use of contractors again builds a measure of flexibility into the cost structure of a business and helps it compete.

If Ireland is to maximise its share of international wealth, we must also be prepared to encourage the development of part-time work and the use of sub-contractors where appropriate. Any structures which inhibit this development will ultimately lead to less than the maximum number of jobs being created in the overall economy.

I do not argue for a flexible economy solely on the basis of theory. International examples show that those economies that have maximum flexibility have had the best performance in creating and maintaining jobs. In the United States, 13 million extra jobs were created between 1973 and 1983. This is in total contrast to the experience in Europe where we have seen a reduction in the number of jobs. The United States is a decentralised economy where people are prepared to move from one job to another and from one part of the country to another with great ease. Europe is a series of centralised economies with relatively rigid legal systems affecting the labour market.

Faced with an international recession, the US has responded by creating a larger number of jobs at reduced rates of pay. Faced with the same recession, the European system has responded by reducing the number of jobs but maintaining the same rate of pay. In the United States, the unemployed got a chance to work. In Europe, the employed were able to maintain their living standards, but there were fewer of them. If Ireland is serious about solving the unemployment problem we must make a choice between these two models. I believe that the more flexible model of the United States is most appropriate to a country with as large an unemployment problem as Ireland has.

Unemployment really is our biggest problem here in Ireland. Every year the rate of unemployment is liable to grow by 18,000 even if all existing jobs are either preserved or replaced. This is because our population is increasing so rapidly. We have to run very fast just to stay in the same place as far as unemployment is concerned. Last year the number of unemployed grew by 28,000. As I have said, 18,000 of these were due to growth in the population, and the remaining 10,000 to other factors.

Unemployment is destructive in every way. Not only does it lead to a large reduction in income, it also leads to a dramatic reduction in self-respect by the person who becomes unemployed. He loses many of the social contacts that he formerly had. He retreats into himself and loses contact with society. We cannot afford to allow a generation of talented young people in Ireland suffer this fate.

Some people say that the growth in unemployment is inevitable because of the advance of technology. It is argued that we must prepare ourselves for a society in which work by everyone on a regular five-day week basis will no longer be feasible or necessary.

It is argued that we must develop new ways of evaluating the worth of people. Rather than evaluate people by their work status, it is suggested that we should evaluate them by other measures of contribution to the society which cannot be counted in pounds and pennies.

I have looked at some of the recent literature arguing in favour of the idea of the technological obsolescence of work. I remain unconvinced. This subject was examined recently in Britain by both the Treasury and Trade Union Congress. In separate submissions to the National Economic Development Council, both bodies came to the same conclusion.

The Treasury said:

History shows that productivity growth and technological change does not reduce employment. Employment has generally grown at the same rate as the work population although there has been fluctuations around the trend.

The United States and Japan have shown that rapid technological change can be combined with continued employment growth. Jobs may be lost in the industries experiencing greatest productivity advances, and gained elsewhere in the economy as the higher incomes that come from higher productivity are spent.

The Trade Union Congress said:

In only a limited number of cases has labour-shedding resulted from the introduction of new technology.

Thus, two very authoritative sources have challenged the idea that work is soon to be out of date.

This does not mean that we should ignore the need to re-examine our social values. Clearly, we do place undue emphasis on money and status. Insufficient regard is had to work which is done outside the market economy. The work of people who look after the home, and of those involved in voluntary organisations, does not get the social recognition it deserves. We tend to regard material success as the be all and end all of life. This distorted scale of values aggravates the employment problem because it relegates the unemployed to the lowest status in society, regardless of any other contributions they might make of a non-monetary kind.

I would like now to say something about the development of industrial policy. There has been some controversy about the extent to which industry can be expected to provide jobs. Clearly, if industry failed to contribute to the solution of the unemployment problem it would not be worth all the money that we spend on it. We need, however, to distinguish between the number of jobs created directly in manufacturing itself, and the number of jobs created elsewhere in the economy by the spending of the money earned abroad by manufacturing exports.

Ireland has been notably successful in increasing its earnings from manufacturing. There has been a truly dramatic growth in manufactured exports in recent years. But this has not been reflected by a similar increase in the number employed in manufacturing. This, however, understates the benefit that we gain from increased manufactured output and exports.

At my request, the Industrial Development Authority are doing an assessment of the benefits to the economy of increased manufactured output. They have calculated that of the sales of an average industrial firm, only 16 per cent is spent on wages and salaries. What happens to the remaining 84 per cent? Is that spent in Ireland? How much of it goes back overseas as repatriated profits?

These are the questions that must be answered if we are to assess whether we are getting "value for money" from the amount we spend on industrial grants and tax incentives. The Industrial Development Authority are doing a very detailed input-output model of the economy to assess this question.

There are a number of things that we can do to improve the retention of the value of manufactured exports in Ireland and thereby create additional jobs elsewhere in the economy. The first one is to implement a national "linkage" programme. The purpose of such a programme would be to get large manufacturing firms to buy as much as possible of their materials and services in Ireland. This can be done by creating an information bank of the needs of manufacturing firms so that other Irish firms are fully aware of the market opportunities. This programme will also require the IDA to put maximum pressure on firms, both in the manufacturing and sub-supply sectors, to link up with one another.

This is inhibited by the sometimes indifferent quality of the sub-supplies obtained in Ireland. Large scale manufactured industry cannot be expected to buy anything but the best. If we are to gain jobs in the sub-supply sector we must have consistent top quality goods.

Another area where action can be taken is in regard to the use of profits. If the profits are re-invested in Ireland by the company then they will not be lost to the economy. The decision of a foreign company to reinvest its profits in Ireland rather than take them abroad depends on a number of factors. The most important is the profitability of Ireland as an investment location. If our costs are rising faster than costs in alternative locations, then the money will not be reinvested here. That is why the Government have put such stress on getting the cost environment for industry right. For this reason we have established a top level, industrial costs monitoring group, chaired by an independent economist, to ensure that all Government decisions take full account of the cost implications for industry.

Until now the record of foreign industry in reinvesting in Ireland has been quite good. Numerous examples can be cited of firms that have either brought an additional plant into Ireland or increased the number of functions performed at their existing plants.

Another way of keeping the profits of industry in Ireland is to provide means whereby Irish workers become share-holders in the company in which they work. It must be realised that the absolute freedom of the company itself to decide what to do with its profits is crucial to their decision to locate here in the first place. Any suggestion that a company would not be free to do what it wished with its profits could immediately turn off the flow of foreign investment to Ireland. When 80,000 jobs in Ireland are in foreign-owned manufacturing industry, we must see the importance of this.

The Telesis Report rightly drew our attention to the need to pay more attention to the development of existing Irish industry. It would, of course, be wrong to think that this is not already happening. Much IDA grant money goes to Irish firms. The foreign firms tend to get more publicity because they are bigger but native firms get grants too.

It is interesting to note that Telesis said that the grant cost per job sustained in native industry is actually higher than the grant cost per job sustained in foreign industry in Ireland. The reason for this is that foreign industry has a better marketing structure as a result of its multinational contacts. To develop native industry we must put more emphasis on marketing.

I have reviewed the marketing needs of Irish industry with CTT since I took over responsibility for export policy. I am considering a number of ideas put forward by CTT. It must be realised that investing in marketing can often be an even more risky venture than building a new factory. At least, with a new factory one has some physical collateral to dispose of if the enterprise goes wrong. It has been strongly argued that the State should give more financial emphasis to those aspects of industrial development which are inherently most risky because these are the aspects that are least likely to be developed by industry without the aid of some State incentive. Marketing is in this category and I feel we must devote more resources to it in future. Throwing money at the problem will not of course achieve anything. A marketing programme must be properly planned and targeted.

It must also be realised that firms will only undertake a marketing effort if they have sufficient retained profits from previous years to finance part of it without recourse to borrowing. I feel that we should not neglect the importance of profits in industry as a basis for marketing and product development. I intend to examine the historical trends of profit in industry. If workers have a share in the profits of industry, they will be much more ready to see profits achieve a reasonable level than if the only form of remuneration they get is in the form of wages and salaries.

The IDA and CTT are working on the development of exports of services by Irish firms. This takes the form of trying to get existing Irish services, including Government services, to sell abroad. It also takes the form of attracting internationally mobile service companies, such as software houses to locate their headquarters in Ireland. This latter programme has not been as successful as one might have hoped. I have been reviewing it very carefully with the Industrial Development Authority.

I would like now to deal with the development of the food industry in Ireland. The development of Irish agriculture must be based on a market-led strategy. Production without marketing is a waste of time. We have a wide range of agencies involved in marketing and developing Irish food products. BIM, CTT, Bord Bainne, CBF, the Pigs and Bacon Commission and a number of individual companies are all involved in selling Irish food abroad. At the same time both the Agricultural Institute and the IIRS are involved in different aspects of food product development for new markets.

The marketing and launching of a new food product is an extremely expensive business. We cannot afford to have any waste or duplication of resources in this field. I am very hopeful that the new task force of Ministers of State that has been established to look at the co-ordination of services to the food industry will be able to come up with the proposals which will get maximum value from public expenditure in the food marketing and development area. This is the way forward for Irish agriculture. We must produce on the land what the consumer wants, at the time of year when the consumer wants it and at a cost and quality which the consumer is prepared to pay for. Any other strategy for agriculture is a dead end.

The tourist industry can make a vital contribution towards employment in Ireland. It is more employment intensive than manufacturing industry. A good tourist base improves the quality of life for everyone, both visitor and native alike. I have great confidence in Bord Fáilte. The money that they spend on promoting Ireland abroad is money very well spent. Research shows that it brings a quick return in additional visitors to Ireland.

This year the most buoyant tourist market for Ireland will be the United States of America. I will be travelling to the United States on a special tourist promotion early next month. For every ten US visitors that go to Britain only one comes to Ireland. If we could persuade even a small proportion of those US visitors to come to Ireland as well we would be able to make tremendous strides forward.

The visit of President Reagan to Ireland will provide a vital opportunity for projecting the image of this country as a tourist destination right across the United States into every home in that country. We must use this opportunity to the maximum effect because jobs in tourism depend on it.

Much attention in this debate will be concentrated on the high level of taxation. There is no doubt that taxation has risen quite rapidly under successive administrations. In 1973 1 per cent of all taxpayers paid taxation in excess of the standard rate; in 1982 40 per cent of all taxpayers were paying tax in excess of the standard rate and I am sure the figure this year will be higher. The fundamental reason for this is clearly the growth in public expenditure and the consequential growth in the cost of debt servicing required to finance past public expenditure for which money was borrowed.

It is interesting to remind ourselves that the entire revenue from income tax will be required this year to service debt. We will have to rely on other taxes such as VAT, customs duties and so on to run the normal public services. It is also interesting to note that the amount of money borrowed last year both for capital expenditure and for the current budget deficit has added something in the region of £200 million to the amount of tax that has to be raised this year. Simply servicing last year's debt, without having regard to debts incurred in previous years, means that £200 million in tax revenue this year cannot be used for any other purposes. That shows how quickly borrowing is converted into higher taxation. It is not, as speakers opposite sometimes infer, that borrowing is magnificent obsession of the Government and that it is all in the area of book-keeping or economic theory. One has even heard the use of the word "monetarism" from time to time.

The Government borrowed £3,000 million last year.

The point I am making is that borrowing is a very immediate problem in its effects in terms of the amount of taxation that has to be appropriated.

I do not think we can dismiss the concern of any Government. I am not making a political point at all. Our predecessors in office, particularly in their measures in July 1982, showed an equal concern for this. We should not suggest that concern for reducing the burden of borrowing is somehow or other a matter of interest only to central bankers, economists and a few other purists. The impact of borrowing is felt very quickly indeed and the impact of last year's borrowing is £200 million extra tax which had to be raised this year. It would not have had to be raised if we did not have to pay the interest last year. The same will happen next year as a result of the money borrowed this year, thus constantly adding incrementally each year to the burden.

In order to solve that problem we have to analyse the causes of high public expenditure. I believe that high public expenditure derives in a substantial measure in Ireland from the fact — this is true of most democracies — that those who are in favour of higher public spending are well organised and well informed groups although they might believe in low taxation as well. Those in the health services for instance are well informed to argue the case for additional expenditure in their area. Those in the educational services are equally well informed and well able to argue why there should not be cuts in their area. On the other hand, the broad mass of taxpayers, who carry the burden of the result of the well-informed lobbying of the individual groups and individual sectors of expenditure, are not as well informed to argue the opposite case because they are a diffuse group whereas the expenditure mongers are well organised, well informed, well positioned pressure groups.

Parliamentary democracy right across Europe has failed to achieve the correct balance between the accumulated pressure for higher expenditure from individual groups who, added up together, do not amount to all that many people and the less organised concern of those who pay the burden in the form of extra taxation. This House is where that balance should be struck. I see a concern, which I know is shared by most Deputies in the House and is certainly shared by the former Leas-Cheann Comhairle, for reform of the Dáil which should be seen in the wider context of letting the people as a whole, through their elected representatives, have greater knowledge and a greater say in the way the country is run, to act as a counter-poise to the accumulated pressures of the various pressure groups whose activities result in higher public expenditure and higher taxation.

This is a very important reason why we should look at the way our Parliamentary democracy works. I am glad I have been given responsibility by the Taoiseach for Dáil reform because I believe it provides an opportunity at Cabinet level for the running of Parliamentary democracy and its ability to act as a counter-weight in the general interest against the particular interests of individual pressure groups. I believe it has a very important role to play. In order to cope with high taxation we must understand the causes of high expenditure. One of them is what I have just described.

Another part of this has been the tendency of major Government contracts to overrun on costs. Good examples of this are the Irish Steel plant and the NET plant, both of which cost about twice what they were supposed to cost. Another current example is the electric railway around Dublin, which will cost considerably more than it was budgeted to cost. If these had been built within budget we would not have had the problem of debt service and equity injections for these companies that ultimately have to be met by the taxpayers.

I am glad to say, as a result of initiative I took as Minister for Finance, new guidelines have been introduced based on a report of the committee on public service contracts to ensure that cost overruns of this kind will never happen again. Proper scientific guidelines have been laid down in the report of this committee which will now be implemented in all new contracts to keep costs within budget so that this sort of thing will not happen in future. We must, in order to bring public expenditure down, have, within reason and without stifling proper dissent and disagreement, an all-party approach.

I am glad to say that the Committee on Public Expenditure are already doing very valuable work in analysing the causes of high public expenditure. I believe that the committee's reports, all of which of necessity will have to be debated in the Dáil, will provide very valuable material for the Government, and any successors the Government may have, in getting at the fundamental causes of high public expenditure and consequently will eliminate waste and provide a base for reduced taxation.

We have to work towards improving the particular areas of public expenditure. It was interesting to note from the report of the National Economic and Social Council on economic and social policy that in Ireland we actually have almost twice as many beds per head of population in hospitals as they have in England. We have 13.5 beds in hospitals per 1,000 of population as against nine beds per 1,000 of population in England, despite the fact that they have a much vaunted free national health service and we do not. I am glad to say that the Minister for Health is doing very valuable work in trimming the institutional costs of the health services. Money which is absorbed in institutions is not available for preventive medicine or for assisting people to improve their own health status. I believe the Minister for Health has the most difficult job of all in the Government as he is responsible alone for 33 per cent of all Government expenditure between health and social welfare. He is doing excellent work in tackling the fundamental causes of high public expenditure in the biggest spending area of all, the health services.

It must also be said that the Minister for Education has a very important job. Her job is to ensure that educational standards are maintained while at the same time keeping the costs that must be borne by taxpayers at a minimum. I feel that the decision taken to establish a curriculum and examinations board is a major step forward. There is no doubt that our curriculum at second level, though not at primary level, has been at times somewhat out of touch with modern reality. The curriculum in schools should be changing all the time. The idea that you have a curriculum and that is it and you do not change it as years pass and needs change is a wrong one. The establishment of this independent board will be a very valuable source for change, originality and development in the Irish educational system. This is something for which, I believe, the Minister for Education is to be particularly congratulated.

The Minister must agree that you damage the system if you change for change's sake.

I would not argue for change for change's sake. I argue for education that is relevant. As the world is changing education obviously must change also if it is to maintain relevance.

Therefore, if there is one education that will be always relevant it is a study of the humanities. It is wrong to say that the relevant is the important thing in education.

Even the humanities are evolving. The humanities are not a static matter. Many novels have been written since those of Dickens and it would be wrong if we continued to read only Dickens and not the more modern novelists. We are talking about an evolving system. However, notwithstanding Deputy Tunney's anxiety to help me to continue, I intend not to dwell on this. He will have an opportunity to enter new avenues of inquiry at the weekend.

If you are equating the humanities with Dickens you do not know what you are talking about.

Deputy Tunney will have his opportunity.

A matter of importance in this budget from a humanitarian and social point of view and also from the point of view of public expenditure is the decision of the Government to increase from £700 to £2,000 the tax allowance for the employment of a full-time employee to look after an incapacitated relative at home. The cost of health institutions, particularly those for the aged and the chronically ill, is a major burden on the system and clearly it would be better from a cost point of view and also from the point of view of the welfare, wellbeing and happiness of many ill people if they could be looked after adequately in their own homes, and I am glad that the budget has provided a tax allowance much more generous than ever achieved before in the form of this £2,000 allowance to assist people to encourage somebody on a full-time basis to look after an incapacitated relative. This would be of great benefit from both the social and economic points of view.

The incentive introduced in the budget for people to invest some money in new manufacturing projects and thereby obtain tax relief will be a very valuable step forward. This is known in Britain as the business expansion scheme, although there is no reason why we should imitate their title. It will effectively provide that people who make money which they do not need for normal living and rather than simply paying tax on it and saving it, invest it in a new manufacturing project will not have to pay tax on it. This will increase the flow of funds from private sources to Irish industry. It will have two effects. Firstly, it will improve the equity base of Irish industry and reduce its unhealthy reliance of bank borrowings. Also it will provide a new source of funds and hence, I hope, reduce the necessity in new enterprises for State grants in that other sources of investment funds apart from the State and the bank will now be available for new entrepeneurs. The points made by Deputy Yates in this debate in that regard were very valid and will be of help to the Minister for Finance in framing the provisions of this budgetary proposal.

I would like to refer further to the overall trend in employment generally in industrial societies. It is interesting that more and more the service sector is becoming important in all industrial nations. The reason for the growth of the service sector is that increasingly manufacturing firms are contracting out, doing work outside the plant where it is classified as manufacturing, thereby re-classifying the same work under a different heading. The service sector is a more flexible sector of the economy in that within it there are a number of providers rather than the large corporate sector itself manufacturing.

We in Ireland must seek to develop our confidence in the service sector to a greater extent than we have done in the past, and for that reason we should see to the elimination of any restrictive practices that may exist. I am anxious to ensure that the professions, for example, do not, by restricting certain tasks artificially to their own members where other people would be quite qualified to perform them and capable of doing so, thereby increase their own incomes and costs in our economy. That is wrong and for that reason I hope to initiate a major study, which will take quite a number of years, by the Restrictive Practices Commission into any cost-increasing or employment-diminishing restrictive practices that may exist in the professions. The elimination of such restrictive practices would be an important way of both providing more cost effective services to the export sector of our economy and providing an opportunity for the creation of many new jobs that might otherwise not be created.

I intend to bring forward in the relatively near future proposals for the introduction of a national development corporation. I believe that such a corporation would have a very valuable role to play in providing feed capital for high risk new projects that might not normally be initated by private enterprise operating on its own with the aid of the grants normally available. There is a category of project where the risk is slightly larger than a normal private entrepeneur would be prepared to take, whereas if he could either have his ideas taken on by the National Development Corporation or undertake it in co-operation with that corporation on a joint venture basis, the risk would be taken, the enterprise started and the jobs created in a manner that would not otherwise happen.

If the National Development Corporation are to perform this role their terms of reference will have to be drafted very carefully so that they will not find themselves straying either too far in the direction of high risk projects that have no prospect of ever making a return or simply operating in the existing low risk sector where they would be competing with the initiators of projects that would occur anyway. The precise defining of the terms of reference of the corporation is a difficult and delicate task but in doing it we will be assisted greatly by the experience that has been gleaned already from the work of the reactivated National Enterprise Agency. One decision I made early in my ministry was that the NEA, who had been effectively lying dormant for some time, should be reactivated to go ahead with a number of projects that they had in hand and to invite additional projects. I believe that the experience of the NEA, who are doing work very similar to that of the proposed National Development Corporation, would be of great assistance to us in defining precisely the terms of reference of the corporation. To the maximum extent I would like to see it operating on commercial criteria. I would like to see the maximum system of reward for senior staff for making the right decision and a lack of reward if they make a wrong decision as far as investment is concerned. Indeed, it might provide an opportunity for new initiatives in the method of remunerating senior executives in the public service.

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