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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 20 Nov 1990

Vol. 402 No. 8

Supplementary Estimates, 1990. - Vote 32: Agriculture and Food.

I move:

That a supplementary sum not exceeding £19,898,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of December 1990 for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Agriculture and Food, including certain services administered by that Office, and of the Irish Land Commission, and for payment of certain grants, subsidies and sundry grants-in-aid.

I propose to follow the traditional approach of speaking on the main subheads at the outset of this debate and in the light of contributions by Deputies to respond to requests for additional information or to queries raised on any other subheads.

Before going on to the detail I would, however, like to comment immediately on a variety of statements made in the last two days that this Supplementary Estimate does not involve extra payments to farmers. This is patent nonsense. The expenditure on the Vote is up by £54 million compared to the original provision. This involves substantial additional expenditure on on-farm investment grants, headage, disease control and intervention activity, which is, of course, designed to support producer prices.

This additional expenditure is partly offset by additional receipts of about £34 million of which £32 million is coming from the Community and £2 million from farmer levies. Therefore, the vast bulk of the extra expenditure is of direct or indirect benefit to producers.

Taking account of the receipts, the net Supplementary Estimate is for about £20 million. This increase is due solely to my decision to bring forward into 1990 payments of about £10 million on on-farm investment grants and £9.3 million in headage which would otherwise have not been paid until 1991. I did this in order to improve the cash flow situation for farmers in view of the relatively difficult producer income situation this year.

Expenditure on on-farm investment grants will be over £50 million compared to £27 million last year. Payments from the Vote and FEOGA under the various livestock headage and premium schemes will come to £321 million in this year compared to £159 million in 1989, an increase of over 100 per cent. By any standards these are substantial increases and clearly give the answer to statements made in recent days that what we are dealing with here is not real increases for farmers.

The general public and individual farmers are certainly not impressed by the cynical reaction of some who are never disposed to welcome any positive development but prefer instead to luxuriate in the habitual and by now predictable complaint, even when much needed extra money is being provided.

In passing, I would emphasise that, as I have indicated on previous occasions, both the original Estimate and this Supplementary Estimate represent only a minor part of the total spending of my Department. As part of ongoing support from the EC for Irish agriculture, my Department oversee and supervise a large number of activities which are fully funded by the EC. These measures will result in expenditure of £1,250 million, that is £1.25 billion, this year from the FEOGA Guarantee Fund, while expenditure of another £900 million will be financed from borrowings for the purchase of products into intervention. The benefits of the intervention safety net for beef which I negotiated last year means that what would otherwise have been a disastrous collapse in prices has been averted. The total amount purchased into intervention this year will be well in excess of £1 billion.

Provision is being made for an additional £13.53 million under subhead L1. This is to cover the cost of grant payments to farmers in respect of works undertaken under the various farm development schemes. The original provision under this heading was £37 million. The demand however has been greater than expected and, as I have already said, the indications are that expenditure this year will be in the region of £50.5 million, including the £10 million brought forward from 1991.

The increased demand for grant aid is a reflection of the high level of on-farm investment. It is estimated that this will exceed £120 million this year. Such a level of activity is an indication that, despite any temporary difficulties they may have, Irish farmers still have confidence in the future of the industry. This confidence is vital for the future development of the industry and must not and will not be undermined by those who prefer to complain even about good news.

I am seeking an extra £9.3 million under subhead L3 to enable my Department to make extra payments under our disadvantaged areas schemes over and above the number that would normally be paid in 1990. The original provision of £67 million scheduled to be paid in 1990 was already the largest amount for headage grants in any single year since these schemes began in 1975 and the additional sum of £9.3 million will now provide a further £6.5 million for applicants under the cattle and equines headage scheme in the more severely handicapped areas plus an extra £2.8 million for applicants under the beef cow and equines headage scheme in the less severely handicapped areas on top of the existing provision. Over 56,000 applicants under the cattle and equines headage scheme and over 11,500 applicants under the beef cow scheme will be paid before the end of this year as a result of this extra allocation of funds, while nearly all applicants under the sheep headage scheme in the disadvantaged areas — some 30,000 in all — will have received their grants by the end of the year also.

Given the farm income situation this year, I am particularly pleased that payments that were originally scheduled to be made next year can be brought forward to December 1990 and, as far as possible, made before Christmas. I believe Deputies will be equally pleased that I am not only avoiding a repetition of last year's delays in payments but am also ensuring payment of a record number of grants this year.

In regard to the case put forward to the Commission for extending and reclassifying the disadvantaged areas, Deputies will be pleased to know that this is at an advanced stage. I am also glad to announce that when the new areas are approved we can then put in place the appeals procedure to which the Government are committed.

As the House is aware, when ERAD was established the Government undertook to maintain their financial commitment to the running costs of the eradication schemes. Accordingly, I am providing an additional £11 million in 1990 under subhead C2 to cover increased expenditure by ERAD. The approval for the increase in expenditure follows a review by the Government in June of this year of certain operational aspects as well as the financial position of the schemes. The programme put in place for 1990 continued the exceptionally high level of testing of the previous year with a consequential high level of reactor removal, including necessary depopulations both for TB and brucellosis. In the circumstances, the Government felt that it would be irresponsible and wasteful of previous expenditure not to make the necessary extra funding available for the continuation of the programme. On the other hand, the Exchequer could not be expected to cover the entire extra costs. It was decided, therefore, that an increase in the bovine diseases levies would also be necessary. The House will recall that regulations to implement increases were introduced with effect from 1 August this year. Over time these measures will maintain the original basis of the financing of the schemes which was that the farming community and the Government would fund the running costs in a ratio of 2 to 1 and on a 50:50 basis when allowing for the costs of administration.

As regards EC funding a detailed national programme for 1991 is being submitted to the Commission. I am hopeful that funding will become available next year. Such funding will, more than likely, have specific conditions attached, which could mean that certain operational aspects of the programme will have to be altered.

I should, at this point, reject out of hand the following suggestion attributed in this morning's Irish Independent to the President of the IFA:

It is obvious that the selective leaking of the ERAD report is politically motivated with the aim of pinning the blame on farmers for the lack of progress in disease eradication.

There is absolutely no foundation for that allegation. Indeed it is unworthy of any responsible leader of a farm organisation. It certainly does not contribute one iota to progress under this vital scheme for Irish farmers and our economy.

Subhead C3 — General Disease Control and Eradication — is a subhead where expenditure can fluctuate considerably depending on the disease situation in any particular year. In those circumstances, it is normal practice to make only token provision in the initial Estimate and to provide additional funding as and when needed. Unfortunately, 1990 has turned out to be one of the costly years because of an accumulation of factors.

The first and most important of these was the situation which arose because of BSE. We do not have a BSE problem — the low sporadic incidence of 25 cases over 2 years, 6 of which were imported animals, in a cattle population of 7 million, represents a spill-over from the United Kingdom. Yet we have encountered trading difficulties with third countries. But I believe that the efforts I have made to convince our trading partners of the absolute safety of Irish meat will bear fruit and very shortly. In the light of the trading difficulties that were encountered, there has been a general consensus among farming organisations, the meat trade and others, that a voluntary depopulation by herdowners themselves, with financial assistance from my Department, would be desirable. To that end a sum of £2 million is required.

The second factor relates to the occurrence of fowl pest in poultry. Two outbreaks are involved. The first occurred in November 1989 and the cost of eradication at £15,000 fell for payment in 1990. The second outbreak occurred in September last and it is expected to cost £572,000 in eradication expenses this year. In this case a total of 200,000 laying hens were slaughtered. It is vital that exotic avian disease should be kept at bay and that the high health status of our valuable poultry industry should be maintained. All told, a sum of £623,000 is required for poultry diseases.

The third factor relates to the unexpected discovery of enzootic bovine leukosis in the national herd. This disease was first imported into Ireland about 1977 in Canadian Holstein cattle. The outbreak, which affected 13 herds, was rapidly cleared up by slaughter of the reactor animals. A national round of blood testing was commenced this year, using the bloods collected for the brucellosis round, as a result of which ten herds have now been discovered with positive animals. The purchase of testing equipment and the slaughter of reactors, plus depopulation where necessary, will cost a total of £477,000. It is absolutely essential for trade reasons that we rid our national herd of this disease. Already, Northern Ireland has requested the testing of breeding animals moving North.

Subhead H1 provides for a grant-in-aid to Córas Beostoic agus Feola—CBF— for general purposes. This year has been a difficult one for those producing and selling beef—faced as they were with the triple hurdle of closure of the Iraqi market, the knock-on effects of BSE in the United Kingdom and a general sluggishness in Community prices. To help overcome these difficulties I am pleased to propose additional funding of £250,9000 towards CBF's promotion activities. Already the benefits of enhanced promotion programmes are clearly evident.

The fact that producers and the industry work closely with CBF and indeed fund an important part of the board's expenditure enhances the realism of CBF's promotional programmes and I am confident that the additional funding of £250,000 will bear further fruit in coming months.

Expenditure on intervention this year is at an historically high level and indicates the level of support available under Community measures to underpin prices in a period of market pressures caused by the Gulf crisis and other problems. Substantially increased use of intervention has led to the increase in expenditure under this subhead. This increase has, however, been more than offset this year by EC receipts.

As is the practice with this particular subhead—Market intervention losses by deficiency, accident etc. — initial provision was for a token amount of £500,000. Developments during the year require an upward adjustment of the provision by £1,100,000. The increase is due in the main to the fact £1.3 million was paid in settlement to two companies in respect of EC export refunds. This particular case has been the subject of discussion in this House and is the subject of correspondence between my Department and the EC Commission with a view to the financial consequences being borne by the Community budget.

Finally, I would repeat that the extra expenditure being provided will largely and substantially benefit producers whose incomes are under pressure this year. I look forward to the contributions from the Deputies who will speak on the Estimate. Of course I will reply to points of details at the close of the debate.

The Supplementary Estimate for Agriculture presented this evening by the Minister is quite dishonest. Indeed, some of the leaks that appear to have emanated from Agriculture House to the media over the last day or two suggest somehow or other that this is a mini rescue package for farmers. I will let this House know exactly where the £20 million is going and why it is going to the particular channels earmarked.

Obviously the Government are giving the impression that they are bringing forward this package of £20 million to alleviate some of the financial problems of farmers. There could be nothing further from the truth. As the Minister well knows, part of the provision was for the payment of grants owed to farmers over the past four to six months. I have received a basketful of queries from farmers all over the country awaiting grants from the Minister's Department. So let nobody tell me the Minister is doing them any favour. He is merely giving them what he had contracted to give them many months ago; that absorbs the major portion of that £20 million.

Second, the Minister is giving the impression that, because he is bringing forward payments under the 1990 cattle headage scheme within the calendar year, farmers will be better off. Certainly they will be better off by Christmas, but let me place on the record that this is not the first Christmas farmers will have received their entitlements within the calendar year. If one reverts to 1985-86, one finds the answer there, when they were paid on time. Indeed, there was no more disastrous year than 1989 when there was a total mess made of the scheme and farmers waited five to six months for payment. Indeed the Minister accepted in the course of his introductory remarks that 1989 had been a bad year.

Leaving that aside, the most dishonest and scandalous performance of all on the part of the Minister is his decision not to pass on to farmers in severely handicapped areas the Exchequer savings accumulated in 1990 by virtue of the increased recoupment rates negotiated with the EC. Up to this year all headage payments were funded on a 50:50 basis by the EC and national Governments. The EC pay 50 per cent of the cost this year. As a direct result there will be an actual saving of between £4 million and £5 million to the Irish Exchequer in respect of cattle headage payments. It is nothing short of scandalous—in a year in which many farmers suffered a 30 per cent cut in their disposable incomes— that the Minister for Agriculture and Food should take this money and use it for purposes other than helping the most vulnerable section of Irish farmers. That decision speaks volumes for the Minister's interest in and commitment to directing maximum EC aid to our farmers. I repeat it is scandalous and the Minister knows it to be so.

It is very significant that the Minister is beginning to attack farm organisations because now they can see the folly of what he has been doing throughout this year and have come out unanimously against him this week. It makes an absolute nonsense of the self-congratulatory remark the Minister attributed to himself here last week over his handling of the GATT negotiations. Indeed, he is making a most dishonest case in asserting the results of his efforts in Brussels during the GATT negotiations increased the overall acreage of the disadvantaged area to over 70 per cent of the land area of this country. Nothing could be further from the truth. Several other countries had their cases made and processed and had our Government displayed the willingness to help farmers all new areas would be getting their cheque for this Christmas and it is a scandal that they are not. There is no connection whatever between Ireland's application for reclassification which, we are told, was forwarded to Brussels last May and the so-called compensatory aspects of the GATT negotiations. Only at this stage are farmers realising the con job being played on them by the Minister in those negotiations.

The decison to give an extra £250,000 to CBF, the meat marketing board, is derisory. To put this figure into perspective, I understand CBF would need an extra £2 million to really get down to the business of promoting Irish meat abroad. The Minister knows that, everybody in the country knows it, and the paltry sum of £250,000 they are getting falls far short of what they were getting two years ago. The Minister in his speech noted that because of his wonderful negotiating skills we now have a huge amount of meat in intervention. Does he not think it is now important for the Government and him to see that the only way forward is to sell our product abroad? Does he seriously tell this House that an extra £250,000 will do that? Surely he does not expect anybody in the agri-business to accept that? The Government's strategy on marketing is entirely on its head. There is neither head nor tail to it in any shape or form, and, as we mentioned in this House last week, the food processing industry is non-existent; in fact, we are in reverse.

Subhead A.4—travelling and incidental expenses — is difficult by any standards to understand. It seems the Department are tonight looking for an extra £600,000 for travelling expenses made up as home travel, foreign travel and so on. I find it very difficult to understand that. The Minister's Department had several of their agricultural officers paid but grounded in the various farm development services offices for more than half the year. They were paid to do a job they were prevented from doing. Farmers were paying £30 a visit for a service they needed urgently but for whatever reason the Minister decided those people would be held in barracks, they would not be allowed out for several months of the year, and I am told there are several counties this very day where officers of the Department have not got the necessary travelling allowances for them to do their jobs. Let me put on the record that for farmers to get the approval certificate it is necessary to have one if not two calls from an agricultural officer, and the farmer pays £30 per visit. For whatever reason the Minister for Agriculture and Food has decided there is a certain upper limit beyond which he shall not go, and this year the Department have paid civil servants to do nothing. The civil servants themselves did not want it that way but that is how it turned out while hundreds of farmers were waiting anxiously for help, particularly in regard to anti-pollution measures and they could not have the services of those people. Even more difficult to understand, for the first time for many years agricultural officers in the headage section visited and inspected on farm only about 30 per cent or 40 per cent of the herds. That being the case, I would like the Minister to outline to the House at the end of this debate how that system could be looking for another £600,000 or explain to me who incurred the travelling expenses.

It is important that people who are owed money by the Department, whether for headage grants or building grants, be paid immediately. I make one final plea to the Minister——

Mr. O'Kennedy: Will the Deputy not be here next week?

I might be here as long as the Minister. Let him not worry about me.

We are getting to like each other.

I will not want as many props either. I will manage. I want the Minister to give an undertaking that people who are deemed to be ineligible, for very minor reasons, for the payment of the special beef premium and others, those thousands of farmers, will have their money by Christmas.

Deputy Emmet Stagg, and he has ten minutes.

I find it extraordinary that the Minister is in such good humour and smiling right through the debate as if there were no problems in Irish agriculture. By speeches delivered to the House he would seem to be indicating to Irish farmers that they never had it so good, he has done a wonderful job for them and they are living in God's pocket.

I did not say that.

He did, or as good as, and he is smiling his way through the debate.

Let the Deputy not put words into my mouth.

I did not interrupt the Minister but I might if I have to in future. Let him not depend on me always to be mannerly in that regard.

There is a massive emergency in Irish agriculture and the Minister smiles his way through the debate. Farmers are desperate because of his lack of action, despite the rosy picture he paints for us. Farmers are fighting desperately to hold on to their farms and we get this nonsense from the Minister. I would describe it as a piece of fancy accountancy. The Minister and his policies have led us directly to the point we are at now, this crisis in agriculture, and we get this, what I describe as insulting nonsense to Irish farmers from the Minister. It is not really a Supplementary Estimate at all, it is simply showing the savings in various places, late payments, miscalculations about the moneys due from the EC, putting them all together and saying the farmers will get their payments before Christmas. I say to farmers the Minister is a very false Santa Claus. He is robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I will take a few examples of the savings we are talking about, which incidentally and coincidentally amount to exactly the amount the Minister is proposing to give on the headage payments and to CBF. For office machinery he is taking out £2.8 million, half of what was provided. The exchange rate guarantee on loans is £0.4 million out of a total of £1.4 million statutory contribution to the land bond fund £0.47 out of £4.3 million, untenanted land income deficiency £1.25 million, half of what was provided and — most interesting of all — the much vaunted scheme beloved of the Minister and praised by him regularly, the integrated rural development scheme £3 million provided by him earlier this year in the budget and he is now taking out £2 million because he was not capable of organising the scheme he praised regularly. He has taken out two-thirds of his own budget. I am delighted to see the set-aside scheme was a total flop. The total is £9.7 million and coincides — strangely — with the amount of deontas or bonus the Minister is talking about. The farmers are not and will not be conned by this and they will not accept the crumbs from the rich man's table the Minister is offering. All we are talking about is crumbs.

Despite the fact that the EC have increased their share of the cost to 65 per cent and the Minister's share is now 35 per cent., he has been ineffective in getting his colleagues in Cabinet to increase the levels of payment. He was not even successful in getting his colleagues at least to hold to the level of payments for which the Government previously were responsible. He also seems to have rejected the offer by the EC to double the headage payments grants. He seems to have refused that and certainly did not make a case for it. That is a mean and miserable attitude on the part of the Minister and the Government.

I am very conscious of the fact that no increase has taken place since 1981, and the real value of these payments is now about 50 per cent of what it was in 1981. The Minister, by his own words, tells us that this is the best method of transferring money to where it is needed within Irish agriculture. Yet he has miserably failed to increase these headage payments to even hold the level of Government contribution towards the payments or take up the offer from the EC of doubling the headage payments.

The type of media hype and fancy accounting that we have seen from the Minister will not cut any ice with Irish farmers. We are dealing with cuts in other areas like Teagasc where the field officers are told to go out and earn £10,000 regardless of where they get it. That ensures that those who need advice most will not get it and there will be delays in payments in other areas.

Every penny in this Supplementary Estimate is due to Irish farmers and it is no deóntas or bonus. The Minister, if he seeks to convert it in any way will, I am afraid, be rejected even more than he was at the meeting I was at last night in Ballina where a brave backbencher from the Minister's own party — certainly not a front bench member — turned up to hear of the anger of Irish farmers against the policies the Minister is now telling us are excellent and working so well.

The Minister, strangely, boasts about the fact that £1 billion of our beef went into intervention this year. The Minister tells us repeatedly that his job, and the job of his Department, is to create the atmosphere for progress and prosperity of Irish agriculture. He created a safety net in the event of anything going wrong. Safety nets are put under tight wire walkers and the Minister never even got on to the tight wire but was on the ground and in the net from day one. The fact that we have to sell £1 billion worth of beef into intervention is a sign of the massive scale of failure on the part of the Minister.

We have the further near farce of £250,000 being given to BSF. That brings the figure to less than one third of what the budget for the Meat Marketing Board was when the Minister took over. As a result of closing down Irish Meat Marketing, the Minister is now boasting that practically all our produce is going into intervention. That is not acceptable. That is not the way to do it or create the atmosphere the Minister tells us is required and that he will create. The Minister has failed to create the atmosphere for progress; he has failed to ensure that farmers have a decent income and he smiles his way through the debate.

Let me say again that £1.6 billion comes from the European Community in various forms to assist Irish agriculture. The Minister, effectively, has that amount of money at his disposal. He might not like some of the regulations under which he has to apply it, but they are not made in isolation. We are also represented when the regulations are made. If the regulations do not suit us our voice should be heard. This washing of hands, saying the EC are making regulations and that we have no say, does not cut any ice any more.

What I am asking the Minister to do now, in view of the fact that the GATT negotiations are going in the direction I said they would, and that we are about to lose approximately £600 million to Irish agriculture, is to ensure that the £1.6 billion that will be available in some other form from now on is redirected to the people who need it. The farmers I met in Ballina last night, are desperately struggling to hold on to their small farms. They want to hold on to them and be involved in their local community. A system that gives 80 per cent or £4 out of every £5 of that £1.6 billion to the top 20 per cent of farmers is no longer acceptable to those people. If the Minister does not put something in place soon the £1.6 billion will be eroded and we will have a serious crisis in agriculture. Gur raibh maith agat a Cheann Comhairle.

The first thing that must be said about this Supplementary Estimate is that it is an attempt to mislead the farming community into believing that something significant is being done to assist those who are in trouble when, in fact, virtually nothing is being done. There has been much juggling around with figures and if we look at the small print we find that while the net increase in the Supplementary Estimate amounts to just under £20 million there is a net increase in revenue or appropriations-in-aid of £34 million which is accounted for, in the main, by EC money.

When I spoke here in the debate on agriculture on 25 October, I made the point that farm incomes had to be viewed over a number of years, taking the good with the bad. I made the point that farm income in 1990 is likely to be about equal to the average over the past five years. However, there are 15,000 fewer people working on the land than there were in 1984 when total income was more or less the same as now.

I advise the Minister that unless a firm commitment is given by him to set up an appeals board to enable farmers who have been left out of the Government proposals submitted to Brussels to make their case, then many more thousands will be out of business in farming. That is the policy the Minister for Agriculture and Food is pursuing. He must be well aware that without the benefit of the headage payments accruing in disadvantaged areas farmers will not survive in agriculture, as was pointed out by the previous speaker. The fact is there for all and sundry to see.

Many farmers have done very well in recent years but others have benefited little from the EC bonanza. A very large number of farmers, around 65,000 or some 35 per cent of farmers who are totally dependent on agriculture, earn less than the average industrial wage. About half of these have an income of less than £5,000 and these are the rural poor. Over recent years we have heard very little from the IFA about their plight, but now farmers are on the streets demonstrating about the crisis in agriculture. What has caused the change of attitude and made militants of the leaders of the IFA is that, for the first time in recent years, the very large farmers who have done well — in some cases accumulated vast profits since we entered the EC — are now finding their incomes dropping and are angry as a result.

My concern, and the concern of my party, is for the position of the small family farmers who, it is acknowledged are facing difficulties. We have always been sceptical about the Common Agricultural Policy, a policy which encourages the production of goods for which there is no market, which adds up to £15 per week to the consumers' food bills, directs 80 per cent of all farm supports to the top 20 per cent of earners and has done so little to reduce rural poverty.

The distinguished agricultural economist, Mr. Raymond Crotty recently pointed out that if the £1.5 billion approximately currently flowing to Irish farmers under the Common Agricultural Policy was distributed among all adults each would receive £590 per year, thus making a major dent in urban and rural poverty.

When we look at this Estimate we find once again that a huge portion of it — £21 million — is accounted for by payments in respect of storage, freezing, handling, transport and other arrangements for purchasing products into intervention. It is generally acknowledged throughout Europe that we are now entering the final phase of the Common Agricultural Policy as we know it, but the message does not seem to have got through in Ireland. We seem to be doing little or nothing to make the structural changes necessary if the maximum number of people are to be allowed to remain on the land with the acceptable level of income.

A major area of expenditure provided in this Estimate is the extra £11 million allocated for bovine TB and brucellosis eradication. It has been said before, and deserves to be said again, that the failure to eliminate these diseases in our cattle herd, despite the expenditure of more than £1 billion of public funds, is one of the greatest political and financial scandals in the history of the State. Twentyfive years after the then Minister for Agriculture, Deputy Haughey, declared our national herd to be disease free, we are still facing a major crisis with the taxpayers being asked to put their hands in their pockets once again.

A small number of people have made a great deal of money out of our failure to eliminate bovine tuberculosis. It has made some vets very wealthy indeed. About one-third of the money spent each year has gone on veterinary fees. Fees paid annually to veterinary practitioners for testing under the disease eradication scheme in recent years can be broken down as follows: in 1983, £10.6 million; in 1984, £8.3 million; in 1985, £11.5 million; in 1986, £11 million and in 1987, £12 million. There are fewer than 1,000 vets in the country; so in recent years they have been earning an average of £10,000 a year from disease testing alone.

I understand there are plans by ERAD to appoint 100 temporary vets to the Department of Agriculture and Food to make an all out assault on those areas where the disease is endemic. I welcome this step particularly in the light of the spectacular failure of private vets. Do we need to rely on highly paid vets at all? Much of the work done by vets in this area could just as easily be done by qualified technicians. If you go into hospital for a blood sample, it would more than likely be done by a nurse. Why can blood sampling under these schemes not be done by properly trained technicians? When the Bill to establish Teagasc was going through the Dáil in 1988 the new body was specifically excluded from carrying out disease eradication tests largely, I understand, as a result of objections from the vets.

The small number of farmers who continually flout the regulations have a lot to answer for. They are endangering not only their own livelihood but also the interests of their neighbours and the taxpayers who are footing the Bill. When replying to this debate I hope the Minister will state clearly and categorically that moneys will be provided in future Estimates to meet the cost of headage payments if new areas are to be included as disadvantaged. As has been pointed out, there has been no increase in the amounts of money allocated for headage payments since 1981. I would ask the Minister to state whether he will increase the number of inspectors to process claims for headage payments.

I am calling Deputy Hyland now but I am obliged to call the Minister at 9.25 p.m.

I would like to share part of my very brief time with my colleague, Deputy Leonard.

Is that satisfactory? Agreed.

This is not a time for negative political confrontation, and those who indulge in such cynical exercises are doing a disservice to the farmers and, indeed, to the agricultural industry. I welcome the opportunity to make a brief contribution to this debate and I fully support the Minister in bringing the Supplementary Estimate to the House. The purpose of the Estimate is to deal with the backlog of outstanding farm grants and other support for the agricultural industry, mainly in the area of marketing. I cannot understand the attitude of Deputies who come into the House for the purpose of expressing criticism of a Minister who is doing his best in what is generally regarded at European and national levels as a very difficult situation.

Regardless of what other Deputies may say, this news will be welcomed by the farming community particularly at a time when the industry and individual farm families are under serious financial pressure. I would ask the Minister and his staff to do everything possible to expedite the payment of grants. It was reassuring to hear the Minister say he is endeavouring to eliminate delays and that grants would be paid as quickly as possible. It is a sad reality that for many livestock farmers the subsidy we are talking about represents a considerable part of the declining profit margin in agriculture today. There is at present, and understandably so, a lot of anxiety about the future of the industry, and in particular the future of the small farming families in this country. Gone are the days when national Governments had complete control over shaping the destiny of the agricultural industry. That is something Deputies should remember. We are now part of the larger European agricultural industry and are subject to the marketing controls of that broader community.

There can be no doubt that the future of the industry in Ireland is very much dependent on our ability to negotiate the best possible deal in terms of market share and commodity support. That is what the Minister and the Agriculture Commissioner are endeavouring to do in their negotiations at European level. In this regard, and particularly in regard to the current crucial GATT talks, we are fortunate in having Ray MacSharry, the Agriculture Commissioner, negotiating on our behalf at European level. His understanding of the Irish agriculture industry and his commitment to our small farmers are reflected in the present tough negotiations ably supported by our Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Michael O'Kennedy.

Selling them down the drain.

When talking about selling them down the drain, I would refer the Deputy to the public statement of the former Commissioner, Peter Sutherland, who in a public statement indicated that the best the Irish Government could hope to negotiate in the GATT talks would be a 70 per cent cut.

We are not finished yet.

There we have the former Commissioner clearly outlining his views on that matter.

Do not shout too loudly yet.

I welcome in particular the assurances given by the Commissioner and by the Minister for Agriculture and Food, Deputy Michael O'Kennedy, in relation to the Common Agricultural Policy, which is the only long term guarantee for the future of the agricultural industry. It is reassuring to hear the Commissioner and the Minister reassert their views in relation to the importance of those negotiations. I welcome too the efforts of the Minister and the Commissioner to emphasis the importance and value of export refunds — which are crucial to safeguarding agricultural income—— and agricultural exports which are part and parcel of the economy. I would urge the Minister and the Commissioner to continue their efforts to reach agreement with regard to income support related to production and geared towards the smaller producers who are the most vulnerable.

I congratulate the Minister for increasing the grant aid to CBF. The future of the industry is dependent on our success in providing quality food in the first instance and in marketing and selling our produce abroad. CBF have the commitment and the structures to take this important work on abroad. I have no doubt that the restoration of the grant, which the Minister announced here this evening, will enable them to undertake that work very effectively.

I also want to refer to our increasing dependence on EC support as far as the farming enterprise is concerned. For that reason, it is imperative that we succeed in getting the maximum possible area of our land designated under the disadvantaged areas scheme. The Minister and the Government should be congratulated on having authorised one of the most extensive surveys even undertaken in this country. I will not waste the seconds left to speak about the submissions made by the former Minister for Agriculture on the other side of the House.

I encourage the Minister to consider the need to negotiate the best possible appeals procedure because it has transpired that even though such an extensive survey was undertaken, many townlands meet the criteria to qualify for designation under the scheme. I know, from my discussion with the Minister, that he has a total commitment to our farmers in this regard and I also appreciate that he acknowledged there are serious anomalies in this regard in County Laois.

I welcome the additional £54 million expenditure, which is a lot of money, irrespective of the criticism of Membes of the Opposition. I also welcome the bringing forward of headage payments as it has been a difficult year for farming and it is a gesture that will be appreciated. I congratulate the Minister and his Minister of State for their trojan work at home and in the EC——

And on the results.

Compared with the efforts of previous Governments, we have done very well.

We are doing very well.

I do not intend to spend my time in cross-talk. I welcome the sum of £11 million which has been allocated to TB eradication. My constituency was almost clear of the disease 20 years ago when there was a high incidence in the South. Just across the Border South Fermanagh also has a high incidence of the disease and the cross-Border initiative gives us an opportunity to eradicate — and prevent — the disease. I hope that our Department and the Department in the North will avail of the opportunity of this funding to combat the disease which will stop people in Fermanagh blaming Monagham and Cavan for spreading it and vice versa.

The Minister also mentioned fowl pest, which is relevant to my constituency, where we produce 90 per cent of turkeys and 75 per cent of broilers, 3.3 million turkeys and 35 million broilers. We also produce half the eggs and we use something like half a million tonnes of feed per year. We take a very serious view of the disease and we have had many complaints——

I am sorry to interrupt the Deputy but the time has come to call the Minister to reply.

I am encouraged by what I heard in the House, particularly by the welcome expressed by some colleagues in relation to the expedition of the rate of payments. I want to assure Deputy Hyland that the intention is to expedite the payment of grants and, as I said initially, to ensure that the maximum amount will be paid before Christmas.

It is also my intention to put in place a visibly fair appeals procedure to deal with some of the anomalies which have arisen as a consequence of the survey. I can confirm to Deputy Leonard that the TB eradication scheme and the commitments for which he asked will be put in place. That is why the Government made such a major contribution of taxpayers' money available to ensure that continuity. I also wish to express my appreciation to the poultry producers of Monaghan and Cavan for the manner in which they co-operated with my Department in helping to rid us of the avian diseases which were a matter of very considerable concern.

I am also reassured by the frustration and the nature of the reaction of the Opposition to my proposals. I will miss the scientific analysis of the kind I have come to expect from Deputy Connaughton. His range extends to "balderdash", "rigmarole" and "scandalous". I feel a certain sense of nostalgia when I do not have his scientific analysis. If I may engage in the same kind of terminology, it is a little hypocritical for Deputy Connaughton, whose own Government spent four and a half years in bringing forward 2 per cent extension of the disadvantaged areas, to complain about 12 per cent extension within 12 months.

We got the biggest extension.

The facts speak for themselves and the people and the farmers know that. Deputy Stagg, as usual, has been very free in his general condemnations and eloquent in his tagging.

There was plenty of room for it.

These condemnations are Deputy Stagg's stock in trade but they can be tested against the facts. He is not even capable of quoting basic facts which can be ascertained by anyone who has the disposition to check them. For instance, Deputy Stagg, as a representative of The Labour Party, stated that £1.6 billion is available this year from FEOGA. That is totally inaccurate and if Deputy Stagg had the interest or ability to check the record he would not make such an ill-founded statement.

The Minister is misquoting me.

I know exactly what Deputy Stagg said. I wrote it down.

I am being misquoted.

If a man does not have the capacity to read, it is not my fault. For that reason, I do not intend to waste my time on his comments because he is not capable of representing the facts.

The Minister is misquoting me.

I am glad to say that the increase in travel expenses has been directly related to the drawing down of extra payments this year. Deputy Sherlock would not suggest that payments from FEOGA funding whether by headage grants or premia plus farm improvement grants which this year will be £321 million by comparison with £159 million last year is just juggling with figures. That is simply presenting the figures which underline the facts. Having said that, it is fair to say——

You do not know what you are saying.

——that Deputy Sherlock had asked relevant questions——

(Interruptions.)

I assure Deputy Sherlock that moneys will be provided for the new areas which will be designated as and from next year.

(Interruptions.)

I must put the question.

They do not arise in this Supplementary Estimate. They will arise next year. I thank the House and hope I have been able to reply to all the points that have been made.

Question put and declared carried.
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