The placement rates in CERT, now known as FÁS, are very high. They are a very successful organisation and I pay tribute to them. In relation to on-the-job training, there is a prospect that this will become a permanent feature of the training system as distinct from the ESS which, by its nature, is a temporary response for which there is no guaranteed funding for the future. I have impressed upon employers the need for them to consider on-the-job training as an investment rather than a cost. While I appreciate that Irish employers are operating under difficult trading conditions at present, particularly those selling to the UK market, it would be short sighted in the extreme not to take up the challenge put to Irish industry by Culliton — that unless training here is put on the same footing and given equal status to that in other countries we will lose out, given the rate of technological change and product development outlined by Deputy Sherlock. Basically, it is a matter of persuading employers that to spend money on training is the right road to travel. I would not like to pre-empt the outcome of the discussions and I hope we can quickly reach agreement on the matter.