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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 24 Feb 1994

Vol. 439 No. 4

Adjournment Debate - Carlow Courthouse.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): On 10 February I tabled the following question to the Minister for Justice: if, in view of the many steps at the entrance of the elevated Courthouse in Carlow, and in view of the renovations costing £400,000 going on at present the plans, if any, she has to install a lift in order to allow access for handicapped people. The Minister stated in a written reply on 15 February that the estimate for this work was £274,000. That is incorrect; the figure is in excess of £350,000. She stated also that there were particular difficulties with the provision of access for the disabled to Carlow courthouse. That is the nub of the whole matter. Carlow has a beautiful courthouse with lovely pillars but it has 13 wide steps right across the front of the building which, unfortunately, make it impossible for a person in a wheelchair to gain access to the building.

Some weeks ago a person in a wheelchair had to be carried up the steps of the courthouse by four members of the Garda Síochána. That is not good enough. People may have thought this person was being arrested when in fact it was simply a matter of having no other way to get into the building. The Minister stated in reply to my question that the cost of providing a lift would be £50,000. I have been given a figure of £20,000. The Minister went on to say she fully accepted that works beyond those required for maintenance are desirable and that in this courthouse, as in others, the provision of resources necessary to cater for the needs of the disabled deserves special attention. It does not deserve special attention, it deserves special action and the only action that will help the disabled is for the Minister to allocate funding to provide a lift for this courthouse.

The post office in the town has provided a ramp to cater for people in wheelchairs, which is commendable. The least we would have expected following the Year of the Disabled was that people with disabilities would have access to all buildings, yet this courthouse, which people often attend following accidents, is inaccessible to those people, despite the fact that over £350,000 is being spent on its refurbishment. Although the repair of the courthouse may not be the responsibility of the Minister for Justice, it is unfair that money is being spent renovating Carlow courthouse without any attempt being made to cater for people in wheelchairs or who have any form of disability. I am asking the Minister to ensure that this work is not completed until the lift has been installed.

As the Deputy is aware Carlow courthouse is the most dominant building in the town, having been constructed in 1830 by W. V. Morrison. Unlike many courthouses built in the post-1830 era, Carlow is aesthetically pleasing on the outside but at the expense of the internal functionality. However, while it is such an outstanding piece of architecture, it has not been given the care down the years that such a building deserves.

The Deputy will be aware that in reply 14 days ago to a Parliamentary Question I informed the House that Carlow County Council has submitted proposals for improvements to Carlow courthouse at an estimated minimum cost of £274,000. All of this is targeted at works which are deemed essential if the basis fabric of the courthouse is to be preserved.

The first and most urgent task was to renovate the roof. This work is ongoing at a cost of £107,500. On completion of the roof consideration will be given to essential refurbishment works.

There are particular difficulties with the provision of access for the disabled to Carlow courthouse. The advice available to me — which I have to take — is that the provision of a special lift in Carlow may not be structurally possible but, if feasible, would cost in excess of £50,000. Because of the very poor state of repair of many courthouses nationwide my first priority must be to provide for the basic works necessary to maintain the fabric of this and other courthouses.

I fully accept that works beyond those required for maintenance of the fabric are desirable and that, in Carlow courthouse, as in others, the provision of resources necessary to cater for the needs of the disabled are made in all new courthouse projects. For example, a special ramp is being constructed at the new model school's courthouse project in Cork city and where feasible such special provisions are also included in all major refurbishment projects.

As I said originally, my first priority, as Minister for Justice, must be to look after the basic fabric needs of the many courthouses nationwide in a very bad state of repair.

I regret the news I have for Deputy Browne is not that he would desire.

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