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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 16 Oct 1996

Vol. 470 No. 2

Written Answers. - Working Group Report.

Willie O'Dea

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48 Mr. O'Dea asked the Minister for Social Welfare his views on the final report of the expert working group on the integration of the tax and social welfare systems; and his views on the rejection by the working group of basic income as an immediate option. [18570/96]

I received the final report of the Expert Working Group on the Integration of the Tax and Social Welfare Systems early this summer. The report sets out comprehensively the poverty traps and work disincentives in the present tax and social welfare systems, reviews a number of possible approaches to reform, and sets out priorities for future development of the system. I very much welcome the group's report. In charting options for future reforms, the report provides a significant and unique contribution to public debate in the area of poverty traps and work disincentives. The two key priorities identified by the group are reform of child income support and tax reform.

It is now widely recognised that some of the income supports for children contribute to poverty traps and disincentives to work. Reform of this is essential. As the working group's report points out, as well as the incentives arguments, there are strong social reasons for giving priority to tackling unemployment among families with children, to break the cycle of unemployment and poverty being passed down from one generation to the next.

The Government programme already commits us to reform in this area, and we have already been taking steps to reduce the disincentives effects associated with the current structure of child income support. We have been gradually improving child benefit, while reducing the relative importance of child dependant allowances. Child benefit has been increased by 45 per cent since this Government took office.

The report makes it clear that reform of child income support must continue. The group did not reach agreement on what form this could take, but puts forward a number of different ways in which the overall system of child income support could be improved, from the point of view of incentives. These are firstly, an integrated child benefit which would replace all the existing schemes with a greatly increased child benefit. This would be high enough to replace child dependant allowances and would be partially clawed back from the middle and higher earners through taxation. The second option is child benefit supplement, a payment in respect of children which would be related to the income of the family, regardless of whether that income comes from employment or social welfare. The third option considered by the expert group is to retain the broad structures of the existing system but to reform family income supplement to remove the poverty trap that arises where that payment interacts with the tax system. The Government will be looking at these options very carefully to develop the best strategy for continuing reforming this area in line with the commitment in the programme for Government of working towards a basic income for children.

The second priority identified by the group is the need to pay particular attention to the taxation of people on low incomes. The expert group's report recommends that policies for taxation of the low paid should be directed towards limiting and eventually abolishing the exemption limits, by increasing personal allowances at a faster rate than the exemption limits.

This Government has already made considerable progress on reducing the tax burden. Over the last two budgets, the personal tax allowance for a married couple has increased by £600; the general exemption limit for a married couple has also been so increased by £600 over the last two years. Progress has also been made on widening the tax bands.

I will now turn to the specific question of basic income. As there seems to be some public confusion as to the exact meaning of this term, let me define what exactly basic income is. It is not to be confused with adequate income, minimally adequate income or minimum wages. Basic income would be a payment, made by the State to all citizens, regardless of other income, family circumstances or labour force status. A full basic income would be paid at a level high enough to replace all social welfare payments. A partial basic income would be paid at a lower level, and would, therefore, require retention of part of the social welfare system to cater for people with no other source of income.
The expert group examined a number of options for full or partial basic income. They looked first at a full basic income, that is, a basic income which would be high enough to replace existing social welfare payments. It would also replace personal tax allowances. Research commissioned by the group showed that, if this were to be financed through the income tax system, it would require a tax rate of 68 per cent on all other income. Not surprisingly, the group concluded that such a high tax rate would be likely to have an adverse effect on employment, and therefore did not recommend full basic income at this point in time.
The group also examined a number of options for partial basic income, that is a basic income at a lower level of payment; this would require the retention of some elements of the existing social welfare system. The group rejected this approach. The group's view was, essentially, that if the rate of basic income is high enough to have any substantial impact on simplifying the tax-transfer system, it would require very high levels of taxation. It would be possible to fund a partial basic income at a low level (around £21 per week) without any tax rate increase. This is just under one-third of the level of the lowest personal rates of social welfare payment. Thus, a considerable part of the social welfare system would need to be retained to "top up" the partial basic income, so that partial basic income would not have a significant effect on incentives.
I accept the group's analysis that the tax rates required to fund a basic income system make it unrealistic in the short-term. Whether or not basic income becomes feasible in the future will depend on relative movements of a large number of variables, such as the desired level of the basic income, the tax rate that may be imposed, the dependency ratio in the population, the relative level of employment and unemployment, and any changes in social welfare systems and structures in other EU countries.
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