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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 15 Oct 1997

Vol. 481 No. 5

Adjournment Debate. - School Transport.

This problem arose on 22 September when the school reopened after the summer and was created by the Minister for Education which I hope he will rectify. A problem had existed earlier in the Shraheens area which the Minister resolved but, in so doing, gave rise to problems in another, Ballyburke, where the children — since the closure of their local school — had availed of the transportation service provided for Killawalla, thus ensuring they were picked up at 3 o'clock and reached home by 3.15 p.m. While acknowledging the Minister resolved one problem, I cannot wholeheartedly support him until he has resolved the one remaining. I will not continue to support him, however, unless he goes the other 5 per cent.

I have not been long in politics. I led a deputation to the previous Minister of State, Deputy Allen, about a problem in Killeen in Louisburgh, and following a request he made a political decision. He told the officials in his Department what to do about that problem but they did everything in their power to ensure that situation did not develop. It took them almost two months to place an advertisement in the newspaper and another two months to deal with the tenders, by which time the school tournament was almost over. They disobeyed the Minister.

The Deputy did not have any clout.

The Deputy did not think it worth her while to mention this matter until tonight and I am sure the Minister of State will give way to her. She should have put down this question in her own name.

The residents came to me and I looked after them.

What the Minister did in relation to the Ballyburke area was wrong. The school had a service for the past 29 years. A simple way to correct this problem would be to provide a small bus to take 19 children home from school. The operator lives only a few hundred yards from the school. We are talking about a cost of £13 to £15 per evening. These young children are left waiting unsupervised in the cold and wet weather, something which is of great concern to the parents. It is not right to leave four, five and six year old children waiting unsupervised in a play area. Nobody will take responsibility for this matter. The Minister says it is the responsibility of the board of management but the board of management says it is not its responsibility. If something happens these young children somebody will have to be responsible.

The Minister of State will have to deal with many major problems in his Department and I wish him well in his new Ministry. This is a minor decision which will not cost a great deal of money. I ask him to be strong enough to make a favourable decision on this matter. I know Deputy Cooper-Flynn supports me on this issue.

I am doing the work behind the scenes.

The parents will not let this issue go away, as they indicated at a recent public meeting. They kept their children out of school for a week although I and other public representatives asked them not to do that because it is wrong to affect the children. The Minister of State has taken a service away from a community that it has had for 29 years. I ask him to return that service to the people of Ballyburke. They were given a guarantee that this service would be provided as it has been for the past 29 years.

If the Minister does not do anything else I ask him to examine the whole school transport issue. The people in the Civil Service appear to run the school transport service and they are afraid to make the right decision in case it will create a precedent, but matters can sometimes be easily resolved. All that is necessary is to sanction a small amount of money for the provision of an additional bus to bring these children home in the evening.

I will be the first person to compliment the Minister of State when he makes this decision, which I am sure he will do because he will not let down Deputy Cooper-Flynn or the Minister of State, Deputy Moffatt. It is wrong to have children of four and five years of age waiting unsupervised in a playground in the wet and cold weather. I ask the Minister of State to sanction the provision of this service and not heed the officials. If he does not, he will never sanction anything in his Ministry.

Like Deputy Bernard Allen.

When he makes the decision he should ensure his officials carry out his instructions. If I were a Minister and they did not do so, they would be on the live register.

I remember several cases in my own constituency when requests like this were made to me. I went to the then Minister of State, Deputy Bernard Allen, who refused the requests, and he did not tell the civil servants to do it.

He said "yes" to me.

I thank Deputy Ring for raising this matter. It gives me an opportunity to outline the position in relation to school transport arrangements for pupils attending Killawalla National School. My Department has responsibility to ensure the safe delivery of approximately 160,000 primary and post-primary pupils to schools throughout the country. It also has responsibility to ensure the State gets the best possible value for the money spent on the provision of this service. It does not come cheaply. In 1996, the net cost to the taxpayer was in excess of £40 million.

I should explain that in the organisation of school transport services, routes are planned to ensure every eligible pupil has a reasonable standard of service from the point of view of timetable, while at the same time ensuring that the school transport vehicles are fully utilised in the most efficient and cost effective manner. To do this, individual vehicles are generally required to operate a number of services to schools and, consequently, extended timetables often require some pupils to make an early start in the morning and to wait for some time in the evening. This is a feature of the school transport scheme throughout the country. My Department has to consider the operation of the school transport scheme as a whole and the requirement not to breach guidelines which would have financial and policy implications for the transport service in general.

The position in this case is that there are two buses operating to Killawalla school, a large bus and a minibus. The minibus operates a double trip whereas previously the services to this school were provided by a contractor's minibus operating three trips. I understand that from 22 September 1997 the large bus on this service caters for pupils from the Shraheens area. The minibus now caters for pupils from the Ballyburke and Derreendafderg areas. This arrangement is being kept under review.

It was originally intended that a large bus would be used to accommodate all the eligible pupils from the Ballyburke and Shraheens areas immediately after school. This service could set down the Ballyburke pupils first which would involve a trip of approximately 17 minutes before operating the Shraheens trip without having to return to the school. However, this option was not availed of by the pupils but could still be implemented if required. The Department has been requested to provide an additional bus to cater for pupils from the Ballyburke area who have to wait 20 to 25 minutes in the evening.

The present level of service is considered to be reasonable and adequate in the context of the general operation of the scheme and extra cost would be incurred in providing the additional bus as requested. Despite the foregoing, and in view of Deputy Ring's moving eloquence and certain new facts brought to my attention today by my colleague, Deputy Cooper-Flynn, I am prepared to have my Department examine this case again to see if a solution can be found. I cannot give any guarantee to the Deputy but I will examine the matter again tomorrow with a view to finding a solution.

The Dáil adjourned at 9.10 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 16 October 1997.

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