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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 9 Dec 1997

Vol. 484 No. 3

Adjournment Debate. - ESB Powers.

Five minutes is a short time for a complex issue but I thank the Minister for being here and for the gracious way she met a deputation from Cork East recently led by me and her party colleague, Deputy Michael Ahern.

I am not lightly asking for a change in the law with regard to the Electricity Supply Board. It is a company with a proud record which in the past was innovative, but now, especially in Cork east, it is out of control. If the only answer to our difficulties is a change in the law, the Minister might consider it.

She promised to meet the ESB to put to it the concerns of our deputation. The ESB has plans to put a large cable network around Cork harbour but locals want the network to go under it.

The company put forward a number of reasons it cannot do that. It says submarine cables would impose considerable restrictions on the movement of ships in Cork harbour during and after construction. That is not true and Cork Harbour Commissioners have said so. It is not true that there will be considerable marine and environmental impact during the large scale trenching operations because a four lane super highway is being built under the River Lee. The ESB says that submarine cables take between two and four months to repair if they break down. However, in Ireland and abroad submarine cables of far greater power than those proposed by the company are in situ and work very well. The ESB says it will also require considerable overhead networks, land based cables and termination stations. It considers this to be a negative aspect but it proposes even more overhead networks.

The ESB refers to cost and this is where the Minister can act if she has the will. It says it will add £20 million overall. I have received information that this is not true and that the cost of going underneath the harbour would be far less. This morning, I received a communication from a continental company which quoted a figure of less than £3 million. The ESB has not placed any breakdown of costs before us and has made only one assessment. The people of Cork East are not being heard by a semi-State company and that is serious. The Minister has the good intentions of all people at heart. A meeting held in Cobh last night was attended by over 1,000 people who were very irate, annoyed and upset.

An Bord Pleanála did not grant an oral hearing in this case which is a major project. Is the ESB in cahoots with An Bord Pleanála? As I pointed out, the ESB has lied on a number of occasions and has kept the truth from the people on more than one occasion. I welcome Deputy Ahern into the House. He was at last night's meeting and also spoke in support of what I have said.

I thank Deputies Stanton and Michael Ahern who led a large deputation to see me last month and I was interested in what they had to say. However, the motion was incorrectly directed to my office and was meant for the Department of the Environment. It was too late to be retrieved from the system when this was discovered.

Decisions to grant or withhold planning permission or to give oral hearings are made by the relevant planning authorities and consequently this issue is a matter for my colleague, the Minister for the Environment, Deputy Dempsey. Decisions on the need for new high voltage transmission lines and associated pylons and their location are primarily matters for the board and management of the ESB, and are, therefore, matters in which I have no direct function.

Their location are the outcome of full environmental impact statements, a consultation process between the ESB, IFA, individual landowners, regulatory and planning authorities and, ultimately, the submission of ESB's proposed power lines to the planning authorities for planning approval. There is, therefore, in place a democratic process whereby local communities and interested parties can ensure that the full rigours of the planning procedure are adhered to. It is only on conclusion of this process and following planning approval that new transmission lines are built.

The transmission reinforcement project in the Cork area is causing concern and I was glad to meet representatives of the area on two occasions since my appointment, one in August when I met them with my colleague, Deputy Michael Ahern, in Cork. Deputies Ahern and Stanton led another delegation to see me, as did many other Deputies from the Cork area, including Deputy Clune. Others have written and contacted me about the matter and I am aware of strong local feelings. They were outlined very coherently by the group which was made up of various representative organisations.

As I told the group, I do not have the statutory authority to give a direction to the ESB on this matter. I have, however, spoken to the chairman of the ESB and the chief executive and conveyed to them the depth of local concerns on the issue. I also said that if I were them, I would speak to the local groups concerned about this matter directly.

They did not turn up last night.

I am very disappointed to hear that. I wish to put on record that I received a letter from the Bishop of Cloyne, Reverend Magee, and replied to him. I know there is a comprehensive depth of concern about the matter. Matters pertaining to planning issues are a matter for the relevant local authority, which passed it, and accordingly come under the remit of the Minister for the Environment.

What about cost?

It is essentially a matter for the Minister for the Environment.

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