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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 12 Feb 1998

Vol. 487 No. 2

Aviation Policy: Statements (Resumed).

Before the debate was adjourned I referred to the sudden changes in Government policy brought about by crises which beset Aer Lingus. There is always the danger that something similar will happen in the future and I am glad the Minister has enunciated the Government's clear aviation policy.

The major restructuring programme undertaken by Aer Lingus following the Cahill plan resulted in a substantial measure of success. While the figures for profits are encouraging, as the Minister correctly stated, they must be viewed against the backdrop of cost effectiveness, which has proven to be notoriously difficult to achieve in the past.

We should not ignore the last financial crisis in the airline which was entirely due to an appalling management system. This matter was never properly addressed in terms of how it came about and the introduction of measures to ensure a similar crisis did not arise in the future. I am not saying that those responsible should be held to account, which is the political fashion nowadays, but appalling mistakes were made. For example, it was decided to buy a 767 fleet for a route which was not available. These planes which were effectively unused were eventually sold for 12 per cent of their initial cost, leading to a huge loss for the airline.

The airline operated a peculiar accounting system at that time. I am not suggesting there was anything underhand in it but the way the figures, projections and write-offs were presented could have meant the then Government was misled in terms of the exact position of the airline's finances. This has been substantially corrected and the position set out by the Minister reflects the true position in the company.

I welcome the partnership approach advocated by the Minister as it is probably the only way of achieving the level of cost effectiveness Aer Lingus needs to achieve if it is to continue to meet demands and secure a partner in a strategic alliance. People accept that this is the way forward for the airline. I am glad well known companies are interested in the airline and would be concerned if no one was interested in it, as was the case five years ago. This interest reflects the commercial progress made by Aer Lingus. The airline will need to devise further commercial strategies if it is to withstand the increasing competitive pressures in the aviation sector.

Aer Lingus has a habit of attempting to psych out competition on new routes. While this may be good commercial practice, it is greatly resented in various sectors. There has been the high profile saga relating to competition on the Dublin route. During the term of office of the previous Government Aeroflot could have been thrown a lifeline and been retained on transatlantic routes to a much more meaningful extent. However, Aer Lingus dictated Government policy and ensured that Shannon-New York rights were not granted to Aeroflot. While Shannon-Newark rights were eventually grudgingly given to Aeroflot, they were not given early enough and were not attractive enough to enable it to develop the type of service it wished to develop. I am glad the Minister put on the record the outcome of her meeting with Aeroflot, which, given the business it is in, is driven by commercial concerns.

Aer Lingus had no interest in the Newark route until Aeroflot became interested in it. The Minister helped Shannon marketing to entice Continental to use this route, which it will begin servicing later in the year. However, in a pre-emptive strike Aer Lingus has decided to move its air bus fleet to the Newark line so that it will be able to compete with Continental. This will make Continental's entry to the market very difficult. As it does not have the necessary aircraft Aer Lingus has hired second-hand aircraft and American people to service the traditional Shannon-New York route, the mainstay of the transatlantic operations at Shannon Airport. These planes which are crewed by non-Irish staff use 65,000 tonnes of fuel at a cost of between £1,000-£1,200 per tonne. This diminishes productivity and profit on the route. This will enable those people in Shannon who are suspicious of Aer Lingus to say at some stage in the future that the Shannon-New York route is not profitable.

These aeroplanes carry less freight and fewer passengers and have a particularly poor configuration, thereby making the service second class. No Minister would spot these developments unless he was told what was happening. This gives Aer Lingus huge power in terms of influencing aviation policy which has been used against Shannon Airport on occasion, against Dublin Airport on other occasions and strongly used against the national interest.

Aer Lingus will correctly say that it is a commercial airline which is in the business of making a profit. They ought to be in a position to provide on the Newark and New York lines a new airbus with proper configuration, which would need less fuel, enabling them to compete and develop both services.

An interesting effect of the change made in 1993 is that the level of backtracking to Ireland, via London and Manchester in particular, has increased by huge proportions. One of the strongest arguments used for changing the Shannon stopover was that the number of people coming directly from the US to Ireland would increase in proportion to the number backtracking, but for some reason, which is not immediately apparent, the opposite was the case. The number of Americans coming to Dublin via London, Manchester and other UK destinations is much higher than it was in 1993.

Sometimes difficulties arise in terms of the location of airports, a number of them being in the least populated areas. That leads inevitably to political competition, competition for a limited number of passengers and for scarce resources. It will be difficult to address that matter in terms of reducing the amount of finance to particular airports because it will not be feasible or practical. Those airports will be a huge drain on aviation resources in terms of improving infrastructure and marketing.

One of the inevitable effects of the huge increase in passenger numbers through Dublin airport will be increased pressure for a second airport, for which there is a case to be made. I strongly oppose the opening of a second airport in Dublin on the basis of my experience and interest in aviation matters. Aviation policy should be decided before pressure is brought to bear from commercial forces. The Government should take into account the best interests of the capital city, the country, tourism, trade and industry in deciding whether a second airport should be built. From the experience in Belfast and elsewhere, there are good reasons for not proceeding with such a proposal. There are also positive reasons that should be taken into account in deciding this matter.

When changes were made in Shannon the Fianna Fáil-Labour Government of the day set up the Shannon task force, which reported to Government. That task force made a number of recommendations, but the Government had already made a decision which militated against Shannon in some respects. The report was the antidote to the change, one aspect of which was the setting up of a marketing fund. In the first year the money was provided by the State. There was then a change of Government and, in its first year, that Administration provided funding by the back door through Aer Rianta. In 1997, however, no marketing funds were made available.

The arrival of continental airlines here, which was a huge success for the Minister, Deputy O'Rourke, would not have come about if those funds had not been available. Unless the fund is restored there will be long-term effects for Shannon. I base those comments on various matters, including the excellent task force report. It is short-sighted of the Government to continue with policies which encourage Dublin airport to burst at the seams. The result will be that money will be needed to provide extra capacity at Dublin airport, even though there is an enormous amount of spare capacity in seven or eight airports, including two owned by the commercial State company. Government aviation policy should be designed to pick up the slack in Cork and Shannon and in the regional airports. It will be difficult for Government to resist the ongoing pressure, created by an increasing number of passengers through Dublin airport, to provide infrastructure to cater for that development.

The 1994-99 national plan estimated that seven million passengers would pass through Dublin airport in 1999, but by 1996 the figure had reached nine million. When one makes the case I have been making, one is open to the charge of being anti-Dublin, but we must consider this matter from a national perspective. In that context there are disadvantages for various areas. The change made in 1993 had a minimal impact on Dublin airport in terms of passenger numbers and services. By comparison, it had an enormous effect on Shannon and particularly on tourism in the west.

Aviation policy must be considered in the context of our membership of the EU. There has been an ongoing debate in recent years, particularly between the Commission and the Council of Ministers, about who has rights to negotiate bilateral agreements with outside countries, particularly the United States, which is the most attractive commercially. The Commission took the view that it has authority in that regard and made it very clear that member states are not entitled to conclude such agreements. It went so far as to threaten legal proceedings against three or four countries, not including Ireland. Eventually the Council of Ministers, faced with pressure from the Commission, made minor concessions in terms of the powers of the Commission and allowed it a mandate to open negotiations with the US, but only as regards the regulatory framework and certain ancillary matters. Access and traffic rights were to be the subject of a second stage plan for which the Commission is pushing and for which the Council has not given a mandate and continues to resist. In exchange for the concession made by the Council, the Commission withdrew its legal threat. The Commission undertook its first negotiations with the US at the end of October 1996, but the outcome was not very satisfactory.

The Council proposal will provide for derogations by various states. There are elements within the EU who see their role as superseding the role of the Irish Government. In that context we should consider aviation policy in the context of competing forces such as Ryanair. That company has been very successful in reducing charges and fares, particularly in and out of Dublin airport. It has, however, created an airport economy, which in the long-term is not conducive to a better standard of service for the passenger. It will ultimately lead to passengers paying for higher standards, which will be difficult to achieve if they are allowed fall.

As regards Shannon airport, I would prefer to see workers properly paid than for independent airlines to dictate terms along the lines which Ryanair management is trying to do at Dublin airport. That company does not operate out of Shannon airport. It tends to operate for three years at a time when there are reductions in airport charges and as soon as charges increase Ryanair disappears. It has done that on two occasions. In its absence, A. B. Shannon, a very small airline, which was given little hope of success, has built up an excellent business without impinging on the rights of workers to be properly paid and without demanding that they hang around for three or four hours before they get an hour's work. Aviation policy should not dictate that airport workers must do their business under those conditions.

I wish to share my time with Deputy Perry.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

For the passenger, the biggest change in aviation over the past decade or so has been the dramatic fall in air fares. Credit for this is given to an active policy of deregulation in air travel, a policy pursued by the Government, Governments abroad and the EU. In Ireland, Ryanair was believed to represent the new, deregulated, highly competitive low fares air policy. The company's many fans, especially in politics and the media, argue that Ryanair's arrival in Irish aviation acted as a catalyst to the competition which, in turn, cut air fares. For example, the former leader of the Progressive Democrats, Deputy O'Malley, once pointed to Ryanair as a successful product of his party's policy on deregulation.

In the fairytale version of the Ryanair story, the hero is a small new company in an unequal struggle against the giant State monopoly. The happy ending is a glorious success by a company which worked itself up the beanstalk by its own energy and with no State aid. Like all fairy tales, the truth is less heroic. The reality is that it has been Government policy for a long time to promote competition in aviation, which in practical terms has meant giving Ryanair repeated doses of favouritism.

When Aer Lingus started its Dublin-Stansted service the then Government ordered the State owned airline off the route and gave Ryanair exclusive rights to the airport. The company was also give the exclusive rights to the Dublin-Liverpool and Dublin-Munich routes. It was the only airline allowed to fly between provincial airports and the UK. Money was made available to regional airports for route development to the UK from which Ryanair was the main beneficiary. It is widely believed that prior to 1994, Aer Rianta gave rebates on charges to the company which were not available to other airlines. A new business rebate scheme has meant that on routes such as Dublin-Birmingham, Ryanair is effectively paid a subsidy for every customer it takes from a competitor.

Ryanair has done very well from the State and could not have succeeded without the assistance and favoured treatment which it received from successive Governments. I welcome the company's success and I hope it will continue to contribute to Irish aviation and our economy for a long time.

However, Ryanair's unacceptable stand on the industrial dispute with its unionised baggage handlers will result in serious trouble for the company, for our aviation industry as a whole and the economy in general. Just as the arrival of Ryanair has marked the real beginning of deregulation, the company's dispute with its baggage handlers is announcing the imminent departure of social partnership on the economy.

Ryanair's success was facilitated by an economic and social climate over the past decade which is enshrined in an understanding between business, trade unions and Government and which is known as social partnership. The deal basically means that workers moderate their wage demands, avoid going on strike except as a last resort, that the industrial relations machinery such as the Labour Court and the Labour Relations Commission are used to settle disputes and that the Government and individual employers treat their workers fairly and with respect.

Ryanair has broken the deal on every count. While low paid workers in Ryanair and elsewhere were making do with tiny increases in pay, the directors were stuffing themselves with bonuses plundered from their own company prior to flotation. The chief executive, Mr. Michael O'Leary, helped himself to £17 million over three years and the directors together took almost £24 million between 1995 and flotation. These bonuses alone would pay the wages of all the baggage handlers together for the remainder of their working lives.

When the baggage handlers decided to seek the professional help of a trade union in having their pay examined what was the response of the company? It has refused to have the matters at issue put before the Labour Court and it has been responsible for a dispute which the baggage handlers tried to avoid and which is now becoming more bitter by the day.

As for showing respect and fairness towards the workers concerned, the actions of the company have been deplorable. I have been told of abusive tirades from the chief executive directed towards striking workers, of demeaning comments towards union officials involved, of the use of private investigators to spy on individual workers and of old fashioned threats and inducements to get the workers back on the bags.

If the baggage handlers were a group of workers in a key utility which had refused to go to the Labour Court and who had gone on strike for even a fraction of Mr. O'Leary's bonus there would have been a crescendo of outraged calls for a return to work and for respect for industrial relations procedures. However, where in this case are the evening paper headlines demanding that this greedy employer go to the Labour Court?

The issues are serious and may get worse. If this dispute is escalated, as it may have to be, we will see a bigger disruption or even the closure of Dublin Airport. Must the travelling public and business suffer because Mr. O'Leary will not go to the Labour Court? What will be the implications for Irish aviation if the intermittent dispute in Ryanair becomes more generalised? Will somebody please cause this company to see sense before there is a major disruption to air transport on and off this island?

The president of SIPTU, Mr. Jimmy Somers, has already warned that this dispute could result in the end of social partnership. IBEC appears to think that he is bluffing. I do not believe so. Nobody should underestimate how easily and quickly social partnership could unravel for the trade unions. Already, many workers are frustrated that while they have kept their wages down in the national interest, the Michael O'Learys of the business world have helped themselves to the cream of economic success in their own self interest. Already there are signs of unofficial industrial actions and of a fractiousness among workers which will be difficult to manage if social partnership cannot even guarantee the constitutional right of workers to join a trade union. If the chief executive of Ryanair will not do business with a reasonable trade union official like Paul O'Sullivan of SIPTU how can social partnership be seen to be working?

Ryanair's failure to honour social partnership will also pose difficulties for the company itself. Investors in the company would be well advised to give the company's performance on this dispute a closer examination. Resistance to trade union organisation may be business friendly in an environment where the relationship between trade unions and business is characterised by conflict. However, in our economy and industrial relations climate it ultimately results in loss and isolation for the company concerned.

Even the use of senior management's time and energies in attempting to browbeat the unionised workers is misspent. Are the investors in Ryanair aware that the chief executive of their company is now spending his time in the baggage hall lugging bags and behaving like a champagne lout to his workers instead of addressing the new competitive challenges which are on the way in the Irish and European aviation industry? For example, the new no frills service recently launched by British Airways and which will no doubt be followed by other airlines is the real challenge facing Ryanair. Competition does not stand still and it has no sentiment for the Ryanair fairytale.

Ryanair's success is not solely because of its low fares policy. The increase in air traffic, to which the Minister referred, has virtually trebled on Ireland UK and Ireland continental routes and has also contributed to its success. That is a function of increased economic activity in the country which has also been a product of social partnership.

Ryanair is seriously misjudging the travelling public. In this country price is not the only determinant of consumer choice. Consumers have values and if a company is seen to be infringing fundamental rights and to be unfair consumers will turn away from it, no matter how many friends it says can travel free. Irish consumers will never sell their sense of fair play for low fares.

In this dispute, Ryanair has refused to talk to the workers' chosen representatives, to go to the Labour Court and to listen to the Government's advice. We have a voluntary code of industrial relations so the company cannot be forced to attend. In these circumstances, the travelling public, the Ryanair customers should take a stand. The company's workers need our support. The time has come for the public to boycott the company. People should refuse to travel with Ryanair until it goes to the Labour Court to settle the dispute. State bodies, companies and community, social and sporting organisations as well as individuals should place their travel business elsewhere as long as Ryanair insists on being an unfair airline.

According to opinion polls, 91 per cent of the public supports the Ryanair workers' right to professional representation. The public should translate that support into the only language Ryanair management understands, a threat to its profits. People should boycott Ryanair until it treats its workers fairly. "No rights, no flights, boycott Ryanair" should be the message until the company goes to the Labour Court and settles its dispute with the baggage handlers. By boycotting Ryanair, the public will ultimately help to settle the dispute.

Another issue relates to the proposed open skies policy. I am surprised the Minister did not refer to this but perhaps she will do so later. I understand the European Union, in pursuit of its policy of liberalisation, has been in discussion with the United States authorities with regard to an open skies policy. If implemented, this will enable other airlines to operate transatlantic flights from Ireland. This obviously poses difficulties for Shannon Airport and Aer Lingus in terms of the competition they may face.

I referred to that matter.

It should be addressed urgently.

I thank Deputy Gilmore for sharing his time. The programme for Government includes a strong commitment to the existing network of regional airports. The Minister said she was pleased to remind the House of her success in securing a total of £5 million of Exchequer funding for infrastructural improvements at regional airports in Donegal, Galway, Knock, Sligo and Waterford in 1998. She said this funding will facilitate the completion this year of essential upgrading of infrastructure. However, it is most regrettable that initially Sligo only received £242,000 at a 50 per cent rate from the total fund of £5 million. This meant the Exchequer would pay £121,000. After some pressure, I understand the funding was increased to 75 per cent but only on the sum of £121,000. This means the overall spending on Sligo Airport can only be £160,000 from a total fund of £5 million.

That is what they sought. They said they would be happy if the amount stayed the same and they could get a 75 per cent rate.

Unfortunately, they were not aware the fund of £2 million was automatically increased to £5 million. They were not informed of the increase and that is most regrettable.

They were with me.

Deputy Perry without interruption.

While we welcome the funds, it falls short of the £3 million awarded to Galway at a 75 per cent rate for a £4 million project. The claim that Sligo Airport only sought £242,000 holds no water because it was told the money was only for essential remedial work. This is a most important point because the Minister said earlier there is no additional EU funding for regional airports and the £5 million fund, which has been allocated, must cover the period from now until the year 2000. The sum of £161,000 for Sligo from a total fund of £5 million is extremely disappointing. Even with the £161,000, Sligo has a deficit of £80,000. The Exchequer should provide an extra £60,000, in conjunction with £20,000 the airport company could raise, to cover this shortfall. This would allow the company to spend the total sum of £161,000 on the airport.

With seven weeks to go to the start of the new essential air service programme, why have the airlines not yet been named? I understand Kerry and Galway Airports are in the same position. There is only one flight a day to Sligo and it is at a major disadvantage. It is most important that the announcement is made immediately. This would allow the airport board to advance plans and carry out the necessary promotion to entice business.

What advances are being made on the recommendations of the Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Brennan, when in Opposition regarding the abolition of rates, the coverage of air traffic control costs and a policy for regional airports to put them on a firm footing for the future? The airport in Sligo has undoubtedly attracted business to the area. I appeal to the Minister and her Department to review overall policy and level the playing field to ensure this important piece of infrastructure survives and flourishes.

The success of Sligo Airport is crucial in terms of attracting industry to combat unemployment in Sligo and the north-west region. It is most unfair that the local population must contribute considerable amounts when the airport requires necessary items of equipment. Business people do not understand why they must do so when the citizens of Dublin, Cork and Shannon are not asked to provide matching finance when those airports need to extend runways or buy navigational equipment. The end result is that regional airports will be unable to carry out necessary improvements or maintain their capital equipment because they cannot raise matching finance. Unless the Exchequer provides additional funding before the year 2000, the prospect of investment in Sligo Airport appears bleak. In Opposition the Minister's party promised to introduce a regional airport development Bill. It should do so urgently so that the future of this sector can be charted. It would also address the issue of funding of future capital works at regional airports.

Two points are particularly crucial to Sligo Airport. The first is special tax designation. The airport has a 50 acre site and special concessions would create much needed jobs in Sligo. Such a package should be promoted not only by Aer Rianta, but also by Forbairt and other State agencies working in partnership. The fact that Sligo has an airport is a huge advantage in terms of attracting manufacturing industries. The second point is the huge burden placed on regional airports in terms of the cost of air traffic control. In some cases this can amount to £150,000 a year and legislation is required to deal with this aspect. Regional airports would find it difficult to survive without the commitment of staff. Rates is another huge cost factor for regional airports and they need to be changed or abolished.

Much work needs to be done. The long-term success of Sligo Airport will depend on the Government introducing changes that will provide funds. It is most disappointing that Sligo Airport received only £161,000 from the total fund of £5 million. Galway received £3 million and while I wish it well, the sum for Sligo is most disappointing. The airport sought £242,000 and I appeal to the Minister to provide the additional £80,000. It would be a gesture of commitment to the airport.

Airports assist the economic development of European peripheral regions. In Ireland infrastructure which enhances transport and communications links to other regions are most important. This aspect is even more important for the north-west region. Regional airports have a huge role but they must be adequately funded and not given token gestures. Legislation needs to be introduced to ensure regional airports are treated equally. It is most unfair that there is an unequal distribution of money and that people were unaware of the funds available. Sligo Airport should have had the option of seeking additional funds. It is most disappointing that Galway Airport received £3 million when the management board of Sligo Airport was not even informed that the fund had been increased to £5 million. The Department should be much more transparent, particularly with regard to regional airports. This debate is most important and I appeal to the Minister to reassess the policy on regional airports. When in Opposition her party made huge commitments and it is time it lived up to them.

Tugaim an deis seo mo thacaíocht a thabhairt do na hoibreacha i Ryanair i mBaile Átha Cliath. Sé atá i gceist san aighneas seo ná mbuncheart an saoránaigh bheith mar bhall i gceardchumann. Tá an ceart seo á dhiúltú go forleathan ag fostaitheoirí nach n-aithníonn ceardchumainn agus ionadaí tofa na n-oibrithe leo.

I welcome the opportunity to express my solidarity with the workers of Ryanair. Since 9 January they have been engaged in one of the most important industrial disputes of recent times. The issue here is not just one of low pay and poor working conditions for ground handling staff at Ryanair but the basic right of all citizens to be members of a trade union.

Certain employers have long felt secure in their refusal to recognise the duly chosen representatives of their workforces. The effective nullification of the constitutional right to union membership has gone unchallenged by successive Governments. As a result, some employers, such as Ryanair, ride roughshod over the machinery so painstakingly built up to resolve industrial disputes.

In the face of this provocation, the workers at Ryanair have acted with great restraint. They escalated their action last weekend only after a month of intransigence by management. Their basic pay is £185 per week and they work long unsociable hours. Their rates of basic pay and overtime are below the airline industry standard. Contrast this with the sums Ryanair management awards itself. The directors received an average payment of £928,000 each in 1995. The flotation of the company on the stock market last May yielded £17 million in bonuses to Ryanair's chief executive, Mr. Michael O'Leary.

Is the Government prepared to allow Ryanair to continue earning enormous profits thanks to the favourable climate for civil aviation created by successive Governments, while at the same time imposing 19th century conditions on its workers? Are we returning to the days before the 1913 lockout, when so much was sacrificed to win the right to union recognition?

This dispute has profound implications for the notion of social partnership promoted by Governments, employers and trade union leaders for the last decade. That means nothing if anti-union companies are allowed to proliferate and dominate the economy as they are threatening to do. The Government must legislate to protect the workers' right to organise and to require employers to recognise the chosen representatives of their employees. This dispute is where, as a former Minister said, a line must be drawn in the sand. I was pleased to meet the Ryanair workers at the gates of the House this afternoon. They have the wholehearted support of all who uphold the right of Irish workers to trade union representation. This is a fundamental, non-negotiable right.

I raise a concern shared by all who use Aer Lingus's transatlantic service. In my role as a party representative I have visited the United States many times, and it has been brought to my attention that there are fears for the future of Aer Lingus personnel based at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York. Any decision to relocate or discontinue the role of staff there, who have provided a first rate service, would be very detrimental. I urge the Minister and Aer Lingus to ensure the continued presence of Irish-trained staff in that airport. They bring very special skills to their work in New York. It has always been of great importance to travellers to New York that they find the welcome, service and assistance one gets from Aer Lingus staff there. This issue may not have been raised already, but the Minister should forward my concerns to the relevant authorities and advise me of her findings as early as possible.

I wish to examine the impact airports have on regions, particularly Cork Airport, which is small. Dr. Richard Moloney of University College Cork carried out a fascinating survey on the economic impact of Cork Airport. There are also surveys of the impact of both Cork port and UCC itself on the region.

The report concluded that the airport was worth £17 million to the region and was responsible for 700 jobs, though some of those were not direct jobs but in spin-off industries. The figure is equivalent to that of a sizeable industry and shows the important economic contribution the airport makes. Cork Airport grossed £11 million in income last year. However, over £5 million of that was generated by duty free sales. If that is abolished there will be a huge impact on the viability of the airport. Aer Rianta will have to market itself more, as it has a captive market. People wait for an hour or more for a plane. There is all-party support for the retention of the duty free facility, but if it goes measures and strategies will have to be put in place to counteract this dramatic loss in revenue.

In the absence of duty free, an airport would have to generate revenue from other areas. Landing charges would probably rise, which means that airlines would have to increase fares. Cork Airport could then become uncompetitive, with a consequent effect on tourism. Given the impact of the airport in the region, which is of the order of £17 million and 1,700 jobs, the loss of duty free sales to Cork could impinge on that dramatic record.

I wish to refer to Aer Lingus and the services provided to Cork. Aer Lingus does not fly from Cork to the Continent. Those who wish to fly to the Continent must first fly to Dublin, thus increasing the cost by £50. Often the plane arrives in Dublin just as the plane for Brussels — where a great deal of business is done nowadays — is taking off. It is frustrating for business people in the Cork area that they cannot make the Brussels connection. I urge the Minister and her officials to examine this matter and to raise it with Aer Lingus with a view to direct flights from Cork to Europe. It is ridiculous that people have to fly to Dublin and wait for a few hours before getting a flight to Europe. This costs time, time is money and money is business.

Flights from Cork to London are £50 more expensive than from Dublin to London. The distance involved is not great but it is more expensive. This is a case of the regions being discriminated against and the matter should be addressed. Aer Lingus flies from Dublin to Amsterdam, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, Dresden, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Geneva, Hamburg, Helsinki, Milan, Munich, Paris, Prague, Rome, Stockholm, Vienna and Zurich. It is ridiculous there is not one flight from Cork to the above destinations.

On learning of that in the Department I was staggered.

It is amazing.

(Carlow-Kilkenny): I think the Deputy is getting a commitment from the Minister.

He is not.

Given that the Minister's halo was glowing earlier perhaps she will shine it further by looking into this matter. As a former teacher I share the comments of the Minister for Education and Science, Deputy Martin, in that I had admiration for her as Minister for Education. She followed on from Mrs Hussey and others and we have had good Ministers for Education. As Minister for Public Enterprise I ask her to examine the service being provided by the national airline to Cork. Will she examine also the impact which the loss of duty free sales would have on Cork Airport? There are approximately 30 businesses in Cork Airport from taxi services, food outlets and so on, many of whom depend on the airport for employment. Following the restructuring of Aer Rianta perhaps the Minister would consider more competition between the airports and the State. On the question of competition between the airports we must be careful to ensure the smaller airports are not wiped out by Dublin Airport. We are already aware that Dublin is favoured by the airlines. It may be that some of the regional airports have advantages over Dublin. Waiting time which is a problem in Dublin is not a problem at Cork Airport which calls itself the friendliest airport in the world. That people from Cork have to travel to Dublin to get connecting flights adds to the congestion and traffic problems at Dublin Airport.

There are many reasons for asking Aer Lingus to review its services into Cork from Europe, Britain and elsewhere.

Debate adjourned.
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