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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Tuesday, 10 Mar 1998

Vol. 488 No. 4

Other Questions. - Social Welfare Benefits.

Paul McGrath

Ceist:

19 Mr. McGrath asked the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs if he will grant a minimum rate of unemployment assistance to all young people over 18 years, irrespective of their family financial circumstances, in view of the fact that a large number of young people in the 18 to 21 year age bracket leave the family home and thereby qualify for the full rate of unemployment assistance from his Department and a rent allowance from the health board and, some of them might remain living at home if the minimum rate of unemployment assistance was available to them. [6461/98]

I refer the Deputy to my previous replies to Questions No. 28 on 15 October 1997, No. 31 on 26 November 1997 and No. 58 on 4 February, 1998. Unemployment assistance is a means-tested payment paid to unemployed people between the ages of 18 and 66 not entitled to insurance-based unemployment benefit. Payments are means-tested to ensure the limited resources available are directed at those most in need. In assessing a person's means for unemployment assistance purposes, account is taken of any cash income the person may have together with the value of any capital or property. In addition, the value of any benefit or privilege enjoyed by an applicant, such as that of board and lodging in the family home, is assessed.

Under current arrangements, any claimant, irrespective of age, whose sole means are derived from the assessment of board and lodging in the parental home and who is entitled to less than £25 per week, has their payment increased to £25. This means, for instance, that where the combined net parental income does not exceed £19,698 per annum, a claimant is entitled to at least the minimum £25 weekly payment of unemployment assistance.

One of the principal arguments for the abolition or relaxation of the benefit and privilege rule for young unemployed people is that the operation of this rule encourages them to leave the family home to qualify for higher unemployment assistance payments and rent supplements. However, as I have pointed out in previous replies on this topic, the limited evidence which is available does not suggest this is happening to any significant degree. In particular, a report published by the Economic and Social Research Institute in 1993: Pathways to Adulthood in Ireland: Causes and Consequences of Success and Failure in Transitions Amongst Irish Youth, while not directly addressing this issue, presented evidence which did not lend great support to the argument outlined above.

The report looked at the rate over time at which young people moved out of the family home. It found that leaving home is a highly complex process with many different facets, including the pattern of full-time education participation and the nature of employment sought. Most interestingly, in this context, the research found that unemployed people were the slowest group to move out of the family home. While these results must be interpreted in the light of the complex factors which prevail in the decision to move out, they do not lend support to a view that unemployed young people are more likely to leave the family home because of the qualification conditions for unemployment assistance.

More recently, in its report in 1995, the review group on the role of supplementary welfare allowance in relation to housing considered the issue of how the benefit and privilege provision might be contributing towards young people leaving the family home and claiming rent supplement. While the group found that the possible effect of the benefit and privilege rule was one of a range of factors which may have contributed to the growth in rent and mortgage supplementation since 1989, they were not able to establish the relative importance of any individual factor. However, the group concluded that key factors in the growth of numbers of people claiming rent and mortgage supplements, included the increased availability of information relating to welfare entitlements and increased public expectations regarding welfare support levels.

While the available evidence does not support the notion that the benefit and privilege rule is a highly significant factor in the movement of young people out of the family home, my Department will, nevertheless, continue to evaluate this provision in the light of any new evidence which becomes available.

I agree that young people leave home for a variety of reasons. Will the Minister agree that to be independent and to have a few pounds in their pockets a small number of young people move out of the family home to qualify for unemployment assistance? If the Minister's child or my child was unemployed they would not receive unemployment assistance. Is the Minister satisfied that they should remain in the family home? The Minister should waive the benefit and privilege rule in cases where young persons will not receive unemployment assistance to encourage them to remain at home. A small group is involved. The Department should be pro family and encourage people to stay at home rather than give them an incentive to move out.

I do not accept there is an incentive for people to move out. Those who say that the rules applying to unemployment assistance are such that they make people leave home are not living in the real world. There are a number of other factors which come into play. In a changing society people like their independence and want to stand on their own feet. Efforts should also be made to ensure so far as possible people stay at home. The aim of the benefit and privilege rule is to ensure the available resources go to those most in need.

I am concerned about one aspect. Has the Minister thought about the possible constitutional implications of denying somebody over the age of majority assistance based on their parents' income, to which they may not have access? Is this constitutionally suspect? While a person may have a bed in the house, this hardly justifies wiping out the payment. He or she may be left high and dry as a result. Has this issue been tested? Is the Minister of the view that a prima facie case could be made in the courts?

It is not for me to make a case against the Department. It is mostly single, not necessarily young, male adults of a certain age still living with their parents who are affected. This issue has been looked at in a number of reports but the findings have been inconclusive. If anyone can produce conclusive evidence to the Department, we will look at it again.

Will the Minister accept that the proposed change might lead to a saving for the State in the long run? Will he consider amending the regulations to ensure young people who remain in the family home receive at least half the full rate of unemployment assistance? Will he agree that the regulations are anti-family in that they lead to the breakup of families?

I do not agree the regulations lead to the breakup of families. It has always been the view that all income should be taken into account in assessing the means of a household. Abolishing the benefit and privilege rule would have implications for the live register. It is accepted that a large number would be added to it.

Is the Minister saying the rule will not be changed to keep the numbers down?

I am not saying that.

Trevor Sargent

Ceist:

20 Mr. Sargent asked the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs if his attention has been drawn to the increasing pressure on young people to leave home, in view of the fact that, if unemployed, the means test which their parents undergo often leaves them with little benefit in comparison with the extra money available from the Eastern Health Board and Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs if in flat accommodation; and the action, if any, he will take to change this system which benefits private landlords and dissuades families from staying together, especially if young people are unemployed. [5402/98].

I refer the Deputy to my reply to Question No. 19 on this matter.

The available research highlights that the reasons young people leave home are highly complex with many different facets, including the pattern of full-time education participation and the nature of employment sought. Most interestingly, in this context, the research found that unemployed people were the slowest to move out of the family home.

While these results must be interpreted in light of the complex factors which prevail in the decision to move out, they do not lend support to a view that unemployed young people are more likely to leave the family home because of the qualification conditions for unemployment assistance or rent supplements. My Department will continue to review this area in light of new evidence which becomes available.

The abolition or relaxation of the assessment of benefit and privilege would have significant cost implications.

Will the Minister reconsider his statement that the regulations do not lead to the breakup of families? An unemployed son or daughter living at home would not receive unemployment assistance but if they decided to move into a flat they would receive the full rate. The regulations, therefore, do lead to the breakup of families because of the denial of unemployment assistance based on the parents' income.

I will not repeat the arguments I made.

Written Answers follow Adjournment Debate.

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