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Seanad Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 17 Jun 1998

Vol. 156 No. 1

Industrial Relations: Motion.

I move:

That Seanad Éireann condemns the Government's handling of recent industrial relations issues; further condemns the Government's failure to address the issue of Trade Union recognition; and noting the public warnings from prominent Trade Union Leaders, expresses its concern that dissatisfaction among the national workforce may endanger the continuation of Partnership 2000 and put the negotiation of future national partnerships in jeopardy.

This is a timely Private Members' motion considering the amount of industrial unrest in the country. The record of this Government to date in handling industrial relations issues and in bringing forward plans for trade union recognition has been appalling. The Government has ignored ongoing trade union calls for tax reform and employment legislation. This is a demonstration of its lack of commitment to enhance social partnership, given the frequent warnings by trade union leaders that social partnership is weakening after 12 years and that the prospect of a new national wage agreement to succeed Partnership 2000 is fading fast.

The Government must restore confidence in social partnership by addressing the key points of this motion. First, the upsurge in industrial action has cast a shadow over the relative lack of unrest in Ireland during the national wage agreements, which have contributed so much to the country's present prosperity. The biggest dispute involves the Garda, which marks a clear inability on the part of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to act prudently and in a manner which embraces the tradition of partnership and negotiation built up by successive Governments in the past decade. Despite ongoing promptings by Deputy Upton and calls from the GRA, it has taken the Minister until now to consider the archaic and unfair restrictions on the Garda's ability to negotiate. The restrictions that govern Garda were imported in the 1920s when the State was emerging from civil war. Circumstances have changed since then and we now live in a nation which has been deeply enhanced by the ability of workers and employers to negotiate the structure of social partnership. The last Government extended social partnership status to key voluntary and community organisations representing the poor and marginalised. These groups enhanced the social partnership process, and including Garda representatives at some level in this process would further develop future national agreements.

Gardaí should also be allowed to choose to join a trade union and to be represented in negotiations on their pay and conditions. Most of our EU counterparts have developed mechanisms to allow members of their national police forces to negotiate. Given our partnerships, there is no reason for Ireland to lag behind in this regard.

The unrest among local authority craft workers is also of considerable concern, though I do not condone their actions, which did not adhere to proper procedures. That unrest is an indication of emerging discontent among the general workforce. The fact that the majority of workers have accepted very moderate pay increases to ensure Ireland's economic wellbeing is at the heart of this unrest. The failure to invest in workers to ensure that their skills are always up to date and marketable in a competitive, market driven economy is linked to this.

The Ryanair dispute this spring grew from the refusal to allow workers the right to be represented in negotiations by a trade union official. Management in Ryanair undermined the industrial relations machinery which has served us so well in the past. The Labour Court meant nothing to Ryanair and it took intervention at the highest level before conciliation would be considered. We do not need another Ryanair dispute; we need legislation which will give workers the right to be represented at negotiations by expertly trained and informed trade union officials. We must uphold the merits in our trade union machinery.

This year the Labour Party brought forward a fair and balanced Bill on trade union recognition which was based on the success of social partnership, which in turn was based on the ability of worker and employer representatives to negotiate and compromise. It was regrettable that the Government did not accept that Bill and it is even more regrettable that no efforts have been made to advance the rights of workers to have representation in negotiations. Employers can no longer cite the lack of trade union recognition in Britain as a reason for Irish workers not to have representation. The British system has moved on and a White Paper is now before Parliament which sets out mechanisms for trade union recognition. Irish workers have a constitutional right to join a trade union, and the anti-trade union attitudes of some companies diminishes and devalues that right. We need legislation to enhance that right. The Government should move forward on this issue, despite the fact that it stamped on the Labour Party Bill on trade union recognition.

The December budget was a kick in the teeth for social partnership. The tax package was bad for the majority of workers and created a disincentive to work. It was particularly bad for small business. Trade unions and representatives of the unemployed and those living in poverty had made it clear in advance of the budget, and during the negotiations for Partnership 2000, that tax breaks must be targeted at low and middle income earners. However, the Minister for Finance selected the highest paid workers for tax cuts, and this undermined the important relationships that have emerged between workers and the Government for the last 12 years.

Over 63 per cent of Irish workers still pay tax at the standard rate. If the majority of workers are to benefit from tax reform, the emphasis of reform must focus on increasing personal allowances and widening the bands to prevent people from moving into the upper band at an early stage. Huge cuts in capital gains and acquisition taxes mean nothing to the majority of workers and are of no value to them; but, of course, they benefit the fat cats.

I am concerned about the current situation of tax reform on the incentive to work. The direction of tax reform is crucial in terms of how a person determines whether it is worth taking up a job. While the implementation of the minimum wage will increase the incentive to work, tax reform is also essential. A minimum wage alone will not diminish the disincentive to work nor will it lift low paid workers from poverty traps. A minimum wage package will only be effective if it is coupled with tax reforms targeted at the low paid.

The budgetary tax reform measures which became effective in April give in the region of an extra £1 per week only to a single person on an hourly pay rate of £4.40. For a married couple without children where only one spouse works and earns the minimum wage, the tax changes delivered through the December budget result in a weekly income reduction of about £1 per week. That is a disgrace.

Minimum wage and tax reform packages are inextricably linked, a view vindicated in the OECD submission to the Minimum Wage Commission. Tax reform must centre on substantially increasing personal allowances and widening the bands. If the Government does not adopt this approach to tax reform in the autumn and gives a repeat performance of the December budget, it will have made a farce of its commitment to a minimum wage. While improvements in take home pay are essential to improving the spirit and well-being of workers, there is also a considerable need to look at wider issues around profit sharing, better in-work training and the flat rate increase in pay. The Labour Party is on record as saying it supports better rewards for workers through profit sharing and flat rate increases. I put it to the Government to come clean with its policy on these issues and to state if it is willing to move on them.

Another aspect of giving some rewards to our workers is through the better in-work conditions. The recent report from the Commission on the Family pointed to the shortfalls in the area of child care and the need to put in place structures which would make child care more accessible and affordable. The issue of parental leave should be part and parcel of this package, but sadly once again the Government did not listen to the trade unions on this issue when it came to publish its Bill on parental leave last week or to the view expressed in the Seanad yesterday. As Senator Cox knows, we had a great discussion on the minimalist attitude taken by the Government in introducing the measures.

I condemn the Government for paring back on the rights afforded by the directive on parental leave. The EU directive provided that leave could be taken until a child was aged eight years but the Government managed to reduce the age to five years. It is also disheartening that no provision was made to put in place some form of payment for parents while on leave. The take up of parental leave by parents on low pay is likely to be badly affected by the lack of support measures. Given that the majority of people pay tax only at the standard rate and, therefore, are not very well paid, the take up of the parental leave scheme will be low.

There are many instances where this Government has failed abysmally to build on social partnership. I contend the principles of Partnership 2000, namely, inclusion, employment and competition, are fading fast and, increasingly, more people are feeling excluded and disenchanted with their employment. This debate is happening at a crucial time when the Government is framing its plans for this year's budget. If it is clear about wanting to continue our strong economic performance, it must demonstrate a commitment to those who have given us the climate for such performance in the first place.

I second the motion. The current spate of industrial relations disputes and the Government's appalling handling of them has the capacity to destroy Partnership 2000. I do not make that statement lightly. Anybody involved in balloting in the trade union movement over the past two to three years on any issue will have sensed a rising tide of dissatisfaction among workers. Many of these workers are employed in the more exposed sectors of the economy and have little protection from the organised trade union movement. They see that despite the great improvement in the economy, their position has not changed or, in some cases, has slid backwards through casualisation and other forms of so-called labour market flexibility.

I welcome the progress made this week to seek a resolution of the Garda dispute. However, the Government, in particular the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, cannot blame anybody but themselves for this industrial dispute. In the run up to last year's general election the point at issue was the establishment of a special commission on pay for the Garda Síochána. The Minister, Deputy O'Donoghue, clearly stepped over the mark by indicating that what was sought would be given without a problem. I recall the cosy pre-election photocalls and television pictures of the Minister and his colleagues outside the House in support of the commission on Garda pay. It was all smiles last year but, unfortunately, the smile has been wiped from the Minister's face.

As a result of the Minister's inability to deal with the promises he made, the country was forced to lose the services of the Garda for two days in recent months. The hollow promises made by the Minister have clearly come back to haunt him in Government, while in the process, he has ensured that the safety and welfare of the citizens have been put in jeopardy in an unprecedented manner. The Minister clearly failed to make any progress on this issue and lost the confidence of those negotiating on behalf of the Garda some time ago. Incapable of making any progress, the Minister was taken off the pitch to make way for the Taoiseach to tog out and put his legendary negotiating skills to use to resolve the dispute.

I welcome the progress made this week but the outcome of this dispute is being watched closely by other sectors of the workforce. If the pay award is seen to go over the top in terms of the maximum amounts allowed under the national pay agreements, it will do immense damage to Partnership 2000 and will trigger a rash of pay claims from other sectors who will ask why should they accept the moderate pay increases contained in Partnership 2000.

How does this dispute square with the recent comments by the Taoiseach that there were signs the Republic could be moving for a free for all in terms of issues such as wage negotiation? The Taoiseach issued warnings to trade unions urging pay restraint and it will be a challenge to him to see if he can deliver on the moderate increases contained in that agreement while at the same time cope with increasing pressures from many sectors of the economy. The Government will soon learn that one cannot have it both ways. It cannot tell trade unions to ask their members to adhere to the constraints of Partnership 2000 and say there are special exceptions ad infinitum without the problem blowing up in its face.

The Minister was not the only member of the Government to make false promises to a group of workers. I regret to say the Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Deputy Tom Kitt, pledged in Opposition to put the Protection of Shop Workers Bill on the Statute Book. It was a well drafted Bill accepted on Second Stage by the outgoing Government. However, seven short months after the Minister made these commitments, he shamefully abandoned his promise. I do not make that statement lightly.

It was accepted on Second Stage. In a barefaced performance before the Dáil, Minister of State Kitt outlined his reasons for rejecting a Bill he published when in Opposition. My colleagues re-tabled that Bill on the Seanad Order Paper some time ago and would welcome an assurance from the Minister that he will accept it at the earliest opportunity. He could at least do what his predecessor did, accept the Bill on Second Stage and co-operate with us in improving it. By rejecting the Bill which the Labour Party reintroduced, the Government has shown it does not care about the rights of workers in the retail sector. My party sought to reintroduce the Bill to offer a measure of protection to workers who were often forced to work on Sundays. By rejecting it, the Government has damaged its reputation in the eyes of many workers and trade unions and has displayed its cynical and callous attitude to shop workers. The Government cannot be allowed to play fast and loose with a broad agreement on social partnership such as Partnership 2000. If that happens, the agreement will become a document which is not worth the paper it is written on.

Trade unions must abide by the spirit and letter of Partnership 2000. On the issue of trade union recognition, the Government also stands guilty of not making the right to trade union representation enforceable in a feasible way for all workers. The right enshrined in our Constitution to join a trade union is not underpinned by the necessary legislation. As witnessed in recent months., employers such as Ryanair were in a position to unilaterally reject its employees' rights to be represented by a trade union of their choice. The Labour Party has proposed a sensible Bill which would not compel an employer to recognise a trade union but would allow for disputes over trade union recognition to be resolved by the recognised industrial relations machinery in this country.

When the Bill was originally introduced the excuse was made that it would result in a loss of Ireland's competitive advantage because the same provisions would not be put forward in Britain. The British Government has now introduced new proposals in regard to trade union recognition which should do away with any argument on competitive advantage and allow the Government to consider the Trade Union Recognition Bill at an early stage. If social partnership means anything, we must ensure partnership exists in the workplace. Indeed, if the Government is serious about national partnership, it must give workers the right to decide if they wish to be professionally represented by unions in their negotiations with their employers. Any failure to do this will result in an end to partnership.

As Deputy Costello pointed out, the Government is also endangering Partnership 2000 by reneging on its tax commitments to middle and low income earners. The first Fianna Fáil-Progressive Democrats budget delivered pay back for the well heeled and better off while the 60 per cent of people on middle and low incomes lost out. It was a budget which favoured property over people. The Government cannot be allowed to welch on the tax reform measures agreed as part of the Partnership 2000 tax and pay deal. My party will be pushing the Government to implement its promises on increased personal allowances, the expansion of the standard rate tax band and an increase in exemption limits. With growth in the economy remaining strong, it is imperative that low paid workers are taken out of the tax net altogether by raising the basic exemption level.

We are now experiencing the tremors before the earthquake. Anyone with their fingers on the pulse of the workforce will be aware that dissatisfaction levels are growing. The benefits of partnership are there for all of us to see; but if the Government does not change its tack on this issue, I regret we will face even greater problems than those encountered in the worst days of the 1980s.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after "That" and substitute the following:

"Seanad Éireann acknowledges the major improvements in the industrial relations climate in this country since the advent of the national economic and social partnership agreements in 1987; recognises the importance to economic and social development of maintaining the good industrial relations record of recent years; calls on all the parties to the current agreement, Partnership 2000, to adhere to its pay terms; and accepts that the addressing of the complex issue of trade union recognition requires the co-operation and agreement of the social partners."

The amendment outlines the fact that major improvements have occurred in the industrial relations climate in Ireland since 1987. We need only look at our economy to realise we are experiencing better economic performance than ever before. Indeed, our recent economic performance has been outstanding. Growth in GNP and productivity levels has been the highest in the OECD countries in the past four years. We have experienced huge growth in exports and employment and are currently facing real skill shortages. Real income levels, namely, the money which people have in their pockets at the end of the day, are greater than ever before and tourism has reached record levels. Many factors have contributed to this economic success, among them the economic and social partnerships which have existed since 1987. A great deal of hard work has been done both by employees and employers in this country and it is time the people who establish and run businesses and work 60, 70, 80 and 90 hours a week receive due recognition.

Employers and employees are in partnership together; the days when employers were in charge and employees did their bidding are long gone. If they were not, we would not be enjoying our current economic prosperity. Having too many employees and insufficient employers will not work. We have previously been at a stage where sufficient jobs were not available for the number of people who wanted them. When trade unions realise — as some of them have done — that it is their responsibility as much as employers' to promote an environment where profit making and sharing is the rule, they will recognise they are working in co-operation and are part of a partnership process.

We have known that for a long time.

The former Minister for Finance, Deputy Quinn, stressed that the Programme for Competitiveness and Work had provided real income gains for Irish taxpayers. Speaking at a meeting of the foundation members of the Institute of European Affairs, Deputy Quinn said the programme had created more jobs and increased income. Prior to the PCW, we had the Programme for National Recovery and we now have Partnership 2000. These partnership agreements have allowed us to work in co-operation with each other as social partners in order to grow and develop the Irish economy.

Many years ago I spent a great deal of time in Limerick learning about trade unionism and its history in Ireland. We have come a long way from the good old days of table bashing and insult swapping. The Irish trade union system has always been voluntary although many people feel that trade union recognition should be enshrined in legislation. Mr. Paddy Gunnigle of the University of Limerick has stated that many foreign investors developing green field companies in Ireland come here to establish a non-union working environment. A study carried out in the university revealed that ownership of the parent company is the most critical factor in determining attitudes towards unions, with US investors likely to be more hostile towards unions than those based in other EU states. There is no point in having people in need of jobs if we do not have jobs for them. If we create an environment where union recognition is forced down the throats of people providing the investment necessary to maintain our economy, we have no hope of continuing to grow and develop it. We must continue to work in a partnership mode.

Workplace conflict should serve as a trigger for problem solving, not warfare. In an ideal world working relationships should be built on trust, but a more practical approach would be to find issues of common interest between unions and employers. This is the way forward. We must at all times realise that what is good for the employee is good for the employer. This approach is working well.

I wish to refute a number of points made by the proposers of the motion. Regarding the Ryanair dispute, the closure of a national airport was a disgrace. The dispute which caused that development continued and that should not have been allowed. There are lessons to be learned from the Ryanair dispute, but they must be viewed in terms of conciliation and voluntarism. If trade unions are to be recognised the people involved must be comfortable with whatever framework is put in place. Employers cannot be forced into an environment that is unreceptive and acts as a barrier to continued inward investment.

The Opposition mentioned the tax package in the last budget and said it was bad. I refute this suggestion. The tax package put in place by the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, was not bad. It was not geared towards rich people.

It was not bad for the well off. It did nothing for the poor.

I do not know how often it has to be said, but a person earning £15,000 a year is not rich. Such an individual is earning less than the average industrial wage.

He or she is not rich. The budget was the first part of a five year programme. All the commitments made prior to the election are being addressed by the Government. This side does not need the Labour Party to push us to implement the changes we said would be introduced.

Will the Government do it?

I cannot wait.

Will the Minister give the same commitment?

In a climate of continued economic growth there is always a feeling that certain groups are not benefiting to the same extent. We must keep on top of this matter and I have no doubt the Minister is doing that. He has made enormous strides in the area of labour affairs. I have no doubt that the Government will continue to work in co-operation with the social partners and that when the time comes to negotiate a new package, everybody will wish to participate. People will seek the best outcome for their side but ultimately it will be recognised that continued social partnership is good for Ireland.

The Government is doing a good job. It has addressed the issue of industrial relations well. It will address the matter of trade union recognition in a balanced way which will work. It intends to build on the voluntary system and I have no doubt that it will do its best to ensure that everybody benefits from the current economic climate and strong performance of the economy.

The motion condemns the Government for its handling of recent industrial relations issues. Everybody is concerned about the lack of surefootedness shown by the Government, particularly regarding the Garda pay dispute. No other servants of the State have been as loyal as the Garda over the years and I do not know how their pay scales were allowed to fall behind. Many of the current difficulties stem from the fact that promises were made by Members when they were in Opposition. I do not know the nature of those promises but they led to much difficulty. In common with other Senators, I welcome the progress made this week. Perhaps the Minister could enlighten the House further in that regard. There has been a flurry of activity this week regarding the recent spate of disputes. However, there are indications that more disputes are in the pipeline and this cannot be good for anybody.

I look forward to hearing the Minister's views on trade union recognition. Partnership 2000 called for the setting up of a high level group, comprising the social partners, to examine this issue further. I understand the group submitted an interim report and meets on an ongoing basis to consider the matter. I understand the report recommended the continuance of voluntarism with regard to trade union recognition. My party has always supported this concept and continues to believe that it is the best way to maintain the valuable social partnership which has led to industrial peace for over ten years.

My party recognises that a further mechanism should be put in place to tackle the problem of employers who will not deal with staff who wish to be represented by a trade union. Obviously, everybody has a right to join a trade union if they wish. My party welcomes the fact that this issue continues to be on the agenda of the high level group and we await the outcome of its further deliberations.

The Fine Gael Party also recognises that voluntarism must ultimately remain the guiding principle of industrial relations if tens of thousands of existing and potential jobs are not to be put at risk. Many thousands of jobs created by inward investment are non-unionised and employers and employees enjoy good industrial relations. The IDA has been able to sell Ireland as a good location for international companies specifically because the industrial relations code is based on voluntarism.

We must not forget that, traditionally, the system has been voluntary, largely relying on agreement between parties and backed up by a sophisticated framework of conciliation and arbitration agencies such as the Labour Court and the Labour Relations Commission to achieve agreement if the parties fail to reach it unaided.

The motion states that dissatisfaction among the national workforce may endanger the continuation of Partnership 2000 and put the negotiation of future national partnerships in jeopardy. This is an important matter. There are serious concerns about tax reform, inflation and monetary union. The budget failed to deliver the type of increases in personal allowances and tax bands for lower income groups that were anticipated when Partnership 2000 was agreed. Undoubtedly, further pay demands will be made, particularly if inflation increases because of EMU or the economy overheats.

Sadly, inflation is at its highest level in three years. It is now 2.7 per cent, well above the EU average. Ireland has the third highest rate in the European Union at present. If prices continue to rise at the current rate, economists reckon inflation will be at least 3 per cent, if not more, by the end of the year and there is a danger that it could reach 5 per cent. This is a huge worry and there are daily warnings about the economy overheating.

However, I agree with IBEC's statement recently about Partnership 2000 and the need for continued implementation of the tax reduction commitments made by the Government. However, these reductions must be concentrated on the lower paid. The economy has done well, in spite of the current dangers, but there is a widespread belief among many people in the workforce that they have fallen behind and failed to benefit in a commensurate way from the gains of the economy overall.

The Central Bank expects pressure on inflation to ease next year. I hope that will be the case. However, we must not forget its inability, in terms of the new regime Ireland will enter soon, to raise interest rates or vary the exchange rate as a mechanism that could be employed to deal with that matter. In the light of what we are entering into with the new regime, we must not forget their inability to raise interest rates or vary the exchange rate as a mechanism which could be employed to deal with the matter.

I am very worried about the signs which exist at present regarding the dangers posed to Partnership 2000. I look forward with interest to hearing the Minister of State. Confidence has dimmed and it will be a sad day for the country if it continues to diminish.

I am privileged to speak in support of the amendment. I am pleased to be involved in this very important debate. Hopefully, Senator Costello and others will accept the bona fides of my approach to this issue because we have been dealing with it for several months.

Senators will acknowledge the very significant progress we have made in the past decade; it has, in fact, been acknowledged by all those who have spoken so far in the debate. Our recent economic success has been phenomenal and is recognised internationally as such. The rate of growth in the economy and the numbers at work are unprecedented. A major contributory factor to these achievements has been the national economic and social partnership that began in 1987.

That was the year I was first elected to Dáil Éireann. They were tough times for people coming from whatever profession — in my case it was teaching. When one put a case to the Minister for Finance the continuous reply was no. There was no money for anything. While they were tough times, solid discipline was provided by the Government of the day. It is accepted that 1987 was a very important benchmark.

I think it would be useful to remind ourselves of just how far we have travelled in the past decade. In 1987 the Government was faced with a number of significant challenges including a very difficult public expenditure situation — to which Senator Coghlan has referred — rising unemployment and high emigration, and threats to our standard of living which had improved considerably but was still some way below the European average. In the face of these challenges and assisted by the long experience of centralised pay bargaining a national consensus was created which produced the first of the present series of national economic and social partnership agreements — the Programme for National Recovery.

This process of social partnership, which was initiated in 1987, has resulted in four national programmes agreed between Government and the social partners — employers, trade unions, farm organisations and, more recently, community organisations, including representatives of the unemployed. Increasingly, the programmes have become much more than centralised wage bargaining. They represent a negotiated consensus between the social partners on a wide range of issues, including taxation and the management of public expenditure, employment, competitiveness, education and training and greater social inclusion.

Our current agreement, Partnership 2000, represents a strategic approach to the sustained development of the economy and progress on social inclusion. Agreement was achieved because the parties — the social partners and the Government — together recognised the challenges which needed to be faced and the advantages which required to be utilised in the future development of the economy to the benefit of society as a whole.

As with previous programmes, compromise was required by all parties. That compromise, a problem solving approach which is based on a common understanding of the key mechanisms and relationships in the economy, has served us well. This approach of working together needs to be continued and evolved if we as a nation are to sustain and build upon the success already achieved.

I would like to illustrate some of the improvements in the economy since the advent of national partnership in 1987. They include the highest level of economic growth in the history of the State without significant price inflation, an increase of almost 250,000 in the numbers at work, a drop in unemployment on the basis of the Labour Force Surveys from 232,000 to 179,000, an increase in the number of women in the workforce of 44 per cent or 158,000 and taxation measures which have resulted in continuing increases in take home pay.

The impact of the national programmes is, perhaps, most evident in the change in the industrial relations climate. The best barometer of overall industrial relations is the number of work days lost through industrial disputes. In the period of decentralised pay bargaining between 1982 and 1987, 355,000 work days were lost in 121 strikes on average each year. By contrast, during the ten year period from 1988 to 1997, when we have had centralised pay agreements, only 110,000 workdays — less than one third — have been lost each year in an average of 41 strikes.

This sustained improvement was especially marked in 1997 when the number of days lost due to industrial action was reduced to 74,000. This represents a major improvement in our industrial relations. It is very important in terms of our image abroad, particularly as regards attracting foreign investment. It serves to give the lie to the once common view of Ireland as a strike prone country. It is an achievement that we would not want to jeopardise in any way.

However, there is no room for complacency. In an increasingly competitive marketplace we need to ensure that co-operative industrial relations continues to make an important contribution to the competitiveness of Irish enterprise and thus the maintenance of sustainable employment.

Voluntarism has been the central principle underlying our system of industrial relations for the past 50 years or more. I recall — and I address this comment to Senator Costello in particular — the then Minister for Finance, Deputy Quinn, was a strong advocate of voluntarism. It would be no harm if Senator Costello and his colleagues would consult the record on what Deputy Quinn has had to say about this approach in the past.

This means that the State has intervened to a minimum extent in the employment relationship. It is through the process of collective bargaining between employers and workers and their trade unions that pay and conditions of employment are determined for the majority of workers. The State's role in industrial relations has been to facilitate the collective bargaining process through providing the dispute settling agencies, namely, the Labour Relations Commission, the Labour Court and the Rights Commissioner Service.

It is in these agencies that the experience and expertise in industrial conflict resolution lies. The Labour Relations Commission and the Labour Court combined deal with over 2,000 disputes every year which result in voluntary settlements or the issue of non-binding recommendations. A survey conducted by the Labour Court in 1994 on a sample of recommendations found that 84 per cent were accepted by both parties. This is also mirrored in the most recent 1996 report of the Labour Relations Commission which indicated that 81 per cent of disputes referred to the commission that year were settled at the conciliation stage. These results clearly demonstrate that the voluntarist approach to industrial relations and conflict resolution works.

It has to be acknowledged that there have been some high profile disputes in the recent past. In most of these instances the difficulties have been resolved with the assistance of the Labour Relations Commission and/or the Labour Court. In one particular dispute, Ryanair, which has been referred to by some Senators, the Government decided, in consultation with ICTU and IBEC, to initiate an inquiry under section 38(2) of the Industrial Relations Act, 1990. The report of the inquiry team is expected within the next few weeks and may well provide much food for thought by the parties to the dispute and to others concerned.

I cannot emphasise strongly enough that the primary responsibility for the resolution of any industrial dispute rests with the parties directly involved in the first instance. Where a dispute cannot be resolved locally, the parties have the option of referring it to the agencies for conciliation and/or adjudication.

I would like now to refer to the public sector disputes which are currently in progress, namely, those involving the Garda Síochána and the local authority and health board craft workers. I will deal with the origin and issues involved in some detail. This will, I think, demonstrate that the Government's handling of these disputes is entirely correct.

In 1994, the Garda Representative Association and the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors concluded an agreement under the local bargaining clause of PESP/PCW pay agreements which they accepted at the time as being in full and final settlement of the PESP agreement.

In September 1996 the GRA lodged a pay claim at the Garda Conciliation Council and in November of that year the association sought the establishment of a commission to examine the issue of Garda pay. The demand for a special commission on Garda pay was not accepted by the previous Government.

Following intensive discussions which the current Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and his officials had with the Garda associations last year, a mechanism was identified whereby Garda pay issues could be discussed. The mechanism was related to the Government decision last November to set up a steering group to implement what is known as the Garda SMI report.

Discussions commenced under the chairmanship of Mr. Declan Brennan, former member of the Labour Court, just before Christmas. Following a number of meetings, the official side made an offer of a 5.5 per cent pay increase to the GRA and AGSI. This is accepted as the standard PESP/PCW settlement. Any increase above this level would have to include consequential productivity and savings. However, neither association was satisfied with the offer and withdrew from the pay talks. The independent chairman of the pay talks subsequently invited the GRA and AGSI to separate meetings to discuss developments. Arising from these contacts, the chairman made a recommendation that the offer be increased by a further 1.5 per cent based on anticipated productivity and savings. The recommendation was accepted by the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and was conveyed to the general secretaries of both associations. The AGSI returned to the negotiating table and discussions on its pay claim resumed. However, the GRA did not return but embarked on a campaign of protest actions.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform met with the officers of the association on several occasions and also met the full central executive committee on two occasions and urged them, without success, to return to the negotiations. The GRA engaged in a day of protest on Friday, 1 May 1998. The Minister addressed the association's annual delegate conference on 12 May 1998 and urged delegates to desist from their protest action and to return to the pay discussions.

Informal contacts have been continuing since the conference to try to agree a formula which would allow the association to call off its protest action and return to the pay discussions. Unfortunately, these contacts have not been successful so far and the association embarked on a further day of protest on Saturday, 13 June 1998.

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has indicated on several occasions that the door to advance the pay negotiations remains open and he has indicated also that access to national pay talks was among the issues which could be discussed. Only this week the Taoiseach confirmed that he was prepared to constructively address the exclusion of the Garda Síochána from national pay talks. He indicated that urgent consultations had been arranged with ICTU and IBEC and that officials of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform would be available to resume discussions immediately with the Garda associations.

As Senators will be aware, IBEC and ICTU did provide a positive response and indicated that they are prepared to facilitate consultations on the development of arrangements which will provide the Garda associations with a meaningful input into national pay talks. On 15 June, AGSI announced that it was suspending its involvement in the pay talks to fully explore the implications of the new initiative involving IBEC and ICTU.

In the light of the joint statement issued by the Government, IBEC and ICTU on Monday regarding the development of arrangements which will provide the Garda associations with a meaningful input into the national pay talks and the issue of Garda pay, senior officials of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform held meetings with the officer board of the Garda Representative Association and the Association of Garda Sargeants and Inspectors. Officials of the Department clarified the statement to the association's representatives and undertook to forward to them a document setting out the official position. A further meeting to clarify the document was held this morning with the GRA. It is understood the GRA central executive committee will discuss the document at its meeting today and that the AGSI national executive will consider the document over the next two days. The GRA announced this afternoon that its industrial action has been suspended.

Over the past six months there has also been industrial unrest in the health and local government sectors involving craft workers. The Government was disappointed at the narrow rejection by the craft unions last week of the proposed deal. This latest package was considered to be an attractive one at the outer limits of public service pay parameters in the current climate.

The House will be aware that following rejection of the latest clarification by the Labour Court, notice of strike action by craft workers was reactivated to take effect on Monday, 22 June. The effect of this will be exacerbated by supportive action by general operative and non-nursing grades. The unions requested a meeting with the management team yesterday to outline what they have identified as the outstanding issues. As these efforts to avert the dispute are still ongoing, I do not want to say too much at this stage.

However, I would comment that my colleagues, the Minister for Environment and Local Government and the Minister for Health and Children, have been very concerned about the recent unofficial wild cat stoppages and their impact on a very vulnerable group — those who are ill and in hospital, or awaiting surgery. I would stress that at this stage the Government has adhered to the normal industrial relations procedures and has used the machinery to the fullest extent, including referral to the Labour Court which has already intervened twice in this dispute.

The Government approach to these disputes has been entirely dictated by the terms of Partnership 2000 and the earlier pay agreements. The Government in its capacity as an employer is a party to these agreements and cannot therefore concede claims that would breach the terms of Partnership 2000 or the other agreements. I call on the public sector groups — indeed on all workers — not to make claims that cannot be accommodated within the pay terms of Partnership 2000. We have achieved too much under these programmes to jeopardise them at this stage. The key to maintaining national partnership is the spirit of compromise and mutual understanding which characterised the negotiations for Partnership 2000.

Trade union recognition is clearly an issue of great importance to trade unions in the context of national partnership. It must, however, be recognised that it is a complex and difficult issue which needs to be addressed with the co-operation and agreement of the social partners. This was the approach adopted in the High Level

Group on Trade Union Recognition, set up last year on foot of a commitment in Partnership 2000. The group, which was representative of ICTU and IBEC, as well as various Government Departments and agencies, was established to consider proposals by ICTU in relation to trade union recognition and IBEC's response to those proposals. The group reported to the Tánaiste on the matter last year as it was required to do under Partnership 2000.

The social partners have not reached agreement on a follow up to the report of the group. When completed, the report of the current inquiry into the dispute in Ryanair may provide a basis for further consideration of the union recognition issue. I would not want to pre-empt consideration of this report, nor indeed of the full outcome of the recent Supreme Court judgment in the Nolan Transport case. I am also aware of developments in the neighbouring jurisdiction where proposals on trade union recognition have been published in a White Paper entitled "Fairness at Work". Consideration of the trade union recognition question will continue in the light of these developments. Perhaps we need to modernise voluntarism in a way which reflects the concerns of the trade union movement and addresses the need to avoid damage to investment in enterprise and jobs.

I would, however, like to point out to the House that there has not been an increase in the past few years in the number of union recognition cases being dealt with by the Labour Court. Furthermore, the union recognition issue must be seen in the context of the high level of union density in Ireland. With over 50 per cent of employees in unions, we have one of the highest density rates in Europe.

I would remind the House that the voluntarist approach to industrial relations has served this State well in terms of national and social partnership, industrial relations at workplace level and investment in enterprise and jobs. We must, therefore, where necessary and possible, encourage the social partners to continue the development of co-operative industrial relations by dialogue and by the pursuit of a problem solving approach where this is appropriate.

Senator O'Meara is aware of the situation relating to shopworkers in the retail sector. The Senator advised the then Minister, Eithne Fitzgerald, on the issue when I raised this matter when in Opposition. I can report to the House that there has been progress on a voluntary way of dealing with this since I took over the Ministry, under the umbrella of social partnership in relation to the rights of Sunday retail workers. I will report on that when the Senators have contributed.

The Minister will only have one chance to make a contribution.

In that I case I will report now. The Senator was right that I introduced a Bill on Private Members' business on the rights of workers to opt out of Sunday work in the retail sector. As I have explained, when in Opposition one's legal advice is not as comprehensive as it is for Government. The Senator will learn this. It is important, however, that Members of both Houses introduce Bills on Private Members' business to highlight important issues. I felt that it was an important issue and I still think so. On the basis that the Organisation of Working Time Act had dealt with some aspects of Sunday working, my advice was similar to that given to former Minister Fitzgerald. She was advised by Senator O'Meara to pursue the partnership approach and to go the legislative route. The then Minister accepted my motion on Second Stage but it was before an election.

We should not play games with this issue as it is too serious. Since becoming Minister of State for Labour Affairs, I have been advised against going down the route I advocated in Opposition. I decided to ask an expert in industrial relations, Mr. Sean Healy, to chair a working group comprising ICTU, including MANDATE, and IBEC. For some months the group has been trying to get an agreement on the rights of Sunday workers and has come forward with proposals for a code of practice. It has not gone through the full process as it will have to go to the Labour Relations Commission which will take another month or two. However, under the able chairmanship of Sean Healy the partners have come up with an agreement. If we can reach agreement on this important issue, even though a code of practice is not as binding as legislation, then it is every bit as strong as going down the legislative route. I can report reasonable progress on this issue. We are not there yet, but I have stood by my commitment to the workers in these situations and I look forward to a final resolution.

This is only one aspect of this issue. Senator Mooney and others have raised the broader issue of Sunday trading with me. One will find many different views in both Houses but the broader issue needs to be addressed. The Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Deputy Dempsey, is looking at the size of some of the new retail outlets. My responsibility is to the workers and I have honoured my commitments. I have tried a different route and I can report some progress.

I welcome the Minister of State and wish him well in dealing with these disputes. It is not possible to deal with all the issues in the time available. However, the questions of union recognition, a minimum wage and the budget taxation measures are causing problems for the trade union movement. If these issues are not resolved satisfactorily there will be no new agreement when this agreement runs out.

The issue of union recognition must be dealt with. The minimum wage is hugely important but the Government is taking its eye off the ball. A minimum wage must be delivered in the course of this programme. If anyone thinks they can use it as a lever into the next programme we will not even get to the stage of a ballot.

It is true for the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, to say that he delivered on the amount of money agreed under the programme. However, the expectation of workers was that there would be a different method of paying that tax. I sat at the table in Government Buildings for three months negotiating this agreement and I can confirm this to be the case. The proposal put to members to ballot on had a tendency towards the lower paid and there will be problems if the Government does not correct this in the next budget.

An ongoing problem is emerging in dealing with the partnership programme. We now have to negotiate three times to get things done. Negotiations take place on the national programme which deals with the macro issues and things are agreed. We then go to the relevant Department, in my case the Department of Education and Science, and we agree again. The Department then goes back to the Department of Finance which was part of the original negotiations and the fighting starts all over again. This procedure makes a joke of the strategic managment initiative because we are going around in circles to get the same result.

Primary education is at the beginning of a major dispute which will continue for the next 18 months concerning teacher shortages — lack of remedial teachers, teachers being withdrawn from schools with special needs, schools serving disadvantaged areas and "Breaking the Cycle". A shortage of teachers is part of the problem. Teachers cannot be produced tomorrow morning, so there is only one way to deal with this problem. The dispute could continue to fester and get worse so that people take inflexible positions over the next 18 months. Ministers will get representations from both Houses and forests will die with the amount of paper being used. There will be demonstrations, meetings, strikes and industrial action. However, it could be solved if we agreed to tackle the problem over a three or four year agreement. This sounds simple and one would imagine it would be in line with the SMI's and the Department of Finance's multi-annual budgeting approach. However, that is not what is meant. The Department of Finance will not allow Departments to negotiate over a period of years — every year must be agreed separately. There will be no resolution of this dispute until the Department of Finance concedes on this principle.

It is extraordinary that we could sit around a table and sort this out. The Minister and myself would have few differences. I know what his difficulties are. The only way the problem can be dealt with is on a multi-annual basis but he is not allowed to deal with it in that way. This is madness.

The Taoiseach's intervention in the Garda dispute on Sunday was unwise, badly advised, badly timed and made no sense. The Minister spoke of creating an opportunity of getting the gardaí involved in national negotiations and that he would ask IBEC and ICTU. I am one of the people asked on the ICTU side. I am well enough acquainted with PR to know that this was a poison chalice. There was no chance of either IBEC or ICTU saying no to that proposal. However, I wish to spell out the situation in more detail.

There is no moral or legal reason to deny gardaí full representation and participation in national negotiations. Like all other workers, gardaí should be entitled to exercise their constitutional right to associate. The current industrial unrest is rooted in many things, among them the fact that gardaí do not have a voice and an opportunity to put their case forward nationally. They are excluded from the normal processes. ICTU's final position will be that the only way gardaí can become involved is by becoming a fully fledged trade union, applying for affiliation to ICTU and taking their place at the table like every other group of workers.

The Minister does not have to talk to IBEC or ICTU as no one will object. The executive council of ICTU will approve the affiliation when it is applied for. The only people stopping this development is the Government. There is a series of legislation preventing this move. It is not the trade union movement, IBEC or ICTU which is stopping the participation of gardaí in national negotiations. They should be as entitled as any other group of workers to join ICTU and they should be allowed to do so as soon as possible. That is in the gift of Government and it would be supported by all workers. Whatever constitutional, legal or regulatory impediments exist should be repealed immediately by Government. That is the answer to their participation. The Government can do this without talking to anyone. It should change whatever law, regulation or rule is required.

What I find unacceptable about the intervention on Sunday is that, on the one hand, the Government is calling for the involvement of gardaí in national negotiations while, on the other, ensuring that this is blocked by legal or other impediments. Many of Europe's police forces are members of trade unions affiliated to trade union movements. I regularly deal with European trade unionists who are police; that is not unusual. Being members of a trade union does not diminish their effectiveness or their professionalism. Gardaí should be entitled to do the same.

Irish industrial relations are on the brink of chaos and Partnership 2000 is being undermined daily. It is not just about amounts of money but about how matters will progress. Gardaí are not covered by industrial relations legislation. Consequently, legal imperatives concerning balloting and minimum notice on industrial action do not appear to apply to them and neither do the requirements that there be cover for essential services. That is a strange irony. If any other group of workers had done what gardaí have done over the past three to four weeks, they would be in breach of the law and would find themselves in the High Court as happened in the Nolan Transport case which brought SIPTU to the High Court. There is no practical reason for excluding gardaí from industrial relations. They have shown they can take industrial action and that they can operate like a trade union, so we should face the facts, accept the reality and support them.

It is ironic that the one group not allowed to form a trade union is the one group not affected by the restraints of industrial relations legislation introduced by the then Minister for Labour and now Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern. We discussed the matter many times, especially the three issues of balloting, minimum notice and essential services, so he knows this area better than anyone. No one gains from excluding gardaí from normal industrial relations practice. Including them is the way forward and it can and should be done. In the cleaned up words of a famous American President, it is better to have people on the inside spitting out than on the outside spitting in.

I thank the Labour Party for tabling this motion. It is timely given the pending industrial dispute of craftworkers which I hope will be resolved, and the ongoing dispute with the Garda. It is also timely as we are midway through the lifetime of Partnership 2000.

Senator O'Toole sits in this House as an elected Member yet he has greater power as a member of the executive committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions dealing with industrial relations, pay bargaining and everything else relating to the social and economic life of this country. It angers me that people elected to both Houses do not have the same power and influence. I sometimes wonder what brings Senator O'Toole in here because real power seems to lie in all the areas upon which he has been expounding for the past 15 minutes. That is not a criticism of him or of what he has said, much of which I agree with. I cite the example of his unique position in the political life of the House because he is the only Member who is directly involved in dealing with the Government on pay bargaining, collective bargaining and other aspects of Partnership 2000.

Public representatives, regardless of political affiliation, must defer to their party in Government when it is in negotiations with the social partners. Such negotiations happen behind closed doors with whispers and leaks from RTÉ journalists who doorstep trade Unionists and representatives of IBEC who become leaders of the country and very important people for a few weeks. We, the directly elected representatives of the people, must sit and wait on the sidelines and pick up the pieces afterwards to hear what was debated, discussed and eventually agreed. None of this detracts from the phenomenal success which social partnership has been in Ireland since 1987 and this has been described in great detail by the Minister of State and by Members.

However, this debate affords me an opportunity to raise an issue. Senator Costello and I have served on the National Economic and Social Forum and I have raised the issue time and again at meetings. It is an inherent flaw and a democratic deficit in the concept of social partnership in Ireland that directly elected politicians must wait until the job is done and the "ts" crossed and the "is" dotted before they have an input into the debate on the future of the country. I emphasise this for a reason. I have listened to criticisms of budgetary proposals and not for the first time because it is raised regularly. I think the trade union movement and IBEC occasionally take their eye off the ball when it comes to these matters. If there was an input of realpolitik from public representatives who must deal daily with the reality and consequences of social bargaining and who know at first hand what is happening when there is a change in the economy, some of the changes and improvements called for in the motion might occur.

That said, this motion must be examined globally. There is no disputing the facts and statistics outlined by the Minister. There has been a significant reduction in days lost since 1987 and such a significant improvement in gross national product that another lobby in the west and north-west is campaigning to retain Objective One status for the regions because it believes those regions have neither reached 75 per cent of GNP nor become part of the Celtic tiger. Going on the evidence of the country's economic performance from 1987 to 1998, one must have great admiration for IBEC, the other social partners and all Governments involved because they have managed to create and achieve something which is unique in Europe. Chancellor Kohl in Cardiff dismissed Ireland's claim for special status by stating that Ireland had 5 per cent growth as if this was unique, which it is if other European economies are examined. Let us clap ourselves on the back for a change. We have made achievements through worker participation and social partnership and, irrespective of what one might think about aspects of its implementation, it is working well.

Regarding the budget proposals, I remind my colleagues in the Labour Party what the Minister of State, Deputy Tom Kitt, said — the party seems to be hidebound by ideological baggage discarded by the Labour Party in the UK. If the Irish Labour Party is right and we are wrong, why do we have more seats in both Houses after last June and it has fewer? Someone is right and someone is wrong. Perhaps, in the context of the motion, Labour Party Members should look into their hearts and reassess their policies. At the end of the day, it is the people who speak and decide and they voted last June for a change of earth shattering proportions, as evidenced by the litany of political casualties on the left. Someone somewhere got their figures mixed up.

If people wish to criticise the Government's budgetary proposals and state that it was wrong or was not acting in the best interests of the greater number of people, I repeat and endorse what my colleague, Senator Cox, said: this is a five year Government and its programme, agreed by the partners in Government, will be implemented over five years. I accept that the first budget of the Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, could have placed emphasis on other areas. We are all, without exception, in favour of social justice and more socially inclusive budgetary and economic policies. I can say without fear or favour that the Government will not be found wanting over the next four budgets when it comes to ensuring the disadvantaged not only discover the Celtic tiger but get on its back and ride it, shouting at the top of their voices that they have at last entered the promised land.

When Senator Mooney referred to a five year Government he must have meant a five year partnership because this Government will not last five years. I must quote Shakespeare's famous words "bubble, bubble, toil and trouble" to the Minister of State, the words used by The Irish Times last Friday in its commentaries on the latest inflation figures. Those figures are extremely worrying and point to an overheated economy with serious problems that have been caused purely by economic mismanagement.

When the new Government took office a year ago it inherited what was probably the best managed economy in Europe. It was an economy enjoying great prosperity, growing employment, low inflation and a solid social partnership. The outgoing Government was one of a number of Governments which followed the example set by a former Fianna Fáil Party Leader, Charles Haughey, who is credited with instituting social partnership in its original form in 1987 under the Programme for National Recovery. The potential success of the social partnership approach was not foreseen by anybody in 1987, including economic commentators who claim to be able to see into the future. The combination of social partnership, major investment by our European partners and other factors have contributed to creating economic prosperity of unforeseen proportions.

However, that economic prosperity is now in grave jeopardy due to what will be seen in the future as economic mismanagement. The only budget introduced by this Government has laid the foundations for the serious undermining of our economic prosperity. Unless there is a major change and a re-establishment of balance, proportion and restraint in the Government's economic policy, it will be accused in the future of negligence of the highest order. The current economic prosperity could be thrown away simply on the basis of a spending policy based on the principle of "payback time". The ominous sound on the horizon is the sound of chickens coming home to roost, chickens that were first seen when the last budget was introduced.

Running an economy is an onerous responsibility. A Government is given responsibility to run an economy not on its own behalf but on behalf of the country. A number of speakers have referred to the phenomenal success of the social partnership, a success not initially predicted by its creators or by those who participated in it. That partnership is based, as is any relationship, on a balance of compromise, justice, fairness and equity. Any group buying into a partnership is asked for restraint in return for a benefit that will accrue from that restraint. The benefit is not confined to the wider economic context but also applies in a personal context. That has been seen in low interest rates, lower mortgage repayments and greater investment.

However, we had also hoped and expected to see that benefit in relation to tackling poverty. This is the area where the last budget was extremely negligent. There is great unease, which for some reason is not reflected in media commentary, among average workers and particularly trade union members about the fact that fairness has effectively been abandoned. Who is riding on the back of the Celtic tiger? If this is one of the most prosperous economies in Europe why is there still so much poverty? Why are there so many poor people in this country? Our prosperity is not being distributed equally. Those who have get more, those who have not get nothing or very little.

The Minister of State will quote employment figures and the huge increase in the number of people at work. I am aware that people who have not worked for many years are now working and that there is a reduction in long-term unemployment. However, there are still many areas where massive poverty is all the indigenous communities know. They see no sign of the Celtic tiger and there is no indication that they will. If resources are to be directed into those communities, political decisions must be made to redirect resources from other areas.

It is a matter of major concern to me and my colleagues that resources are being taken from the disadvantaged schools programme which was specifically designed to target resources at poor areas. It is a disgrace that this programme is being undermined. We now have a unique opportunity, based on the success of the social partnership model, to create a society where resources are adequately distributed and are used as an investment for the future, particularly in areas which are suffering from poverty. If that opportunity is lost, it will be gone forever. It is not necessary to enumerate the social consequences because the Minister of State is a public representative and is aware of them.

Reference was made to compromise and voluntarism in the context of our approach to trade union recognition. Members should read the Labour Party's trade union recognition Bill. It was drafted in consultation with our trade union partners and is based on the framework of social partnership and voluntarism. It provides for the utilisation of the existing and successful mechanisms of the Labour Court and the Labour Relations Commission within that legislative framework.

It is true I had the privilege of working as an adviser to the Minister of State's predecessor, the former Deputy Eithne Fitzgerald, and that I was aware at the time of the difficulties involved in legislating on Sunday working and, in particular, Sunday trading. It was not my advice but that of the former Attorney General which had to form the basis of our approach. However, I commend the Minister of State on his approach and I look forward to his report. If his proposals are reasonable, they will receive our support.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this motion and on the Government's amendment. I am flabbergasted by the sentiments expressed in this debate and the words used to express them.

I did not know the Senator was so easily daunted.

When Senator Coghlan speaks on the motion he will probably comment again on my thin skin and so forth. However, there are certain uses of vocabulary that rile me to the limit. When I listen to the Rev. Ian Paisley make speeches in Northern Ireland, the words he uses upset me. Mr. Paisley uses words such as "treachery" and "treason". Similar alarmist words have been used in the House this evening. Senators have spoken of well heeled fat cats and the tremor of the earthquake of unrest. Senator Costello asked if it has taken until now to address the Garda pay question? Senator Costello's party has been in Government longer than any other party during the past ten years.

We did not mislead the gardaí.

Senator Costello will have the right to reply and Senator Fitzgerald's time is very limited.

I do not like to hear the alarmist vocabulary of some Senators. I ask who are the fat cats? Is my brother, who is well known to Senator Coghlan and employs 51 people in Dingle, a fat cat? He drives a big car and takes holidays. Senator Coghlan was a very good accountant and must have worked for a fat cat in Killarney.

Senator Fitzgerald might examine his own activities.

Does Senator Fitzgerald object to the expression Celtic tiger?

Such disparaging expressions should not be used to refer to anyone in our society. There are no fat cats, merely people who invest in the economy and provide employment.

Criticism of the Government and particularly of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is unjust. It was claimed that the Minister, when in opposition, mentioned that he would give the Garda Síochána the pay increase they demand. That is totally untrue. Every word the Minister said since he was elected to the Dáil has been examined and no one has found any mention of a promise of a huge pay increase. The Minister has admitted that the gardaí have a legitimate claim for a wage increase and has explained why that legitimate claim should be met.

The Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment has stated quite honestly that he introduced a Private Members' Bill while in Opposition only to find, when in Government and in possession of legal advice, that it was not possible to implement his proposals. Senator O'Meara also spoke of the difficulties she encountered when working as an adviser to a former Minister. Why then do Senators criticise Ministers unfairly?

The economy is more buoyant now than it has ever been. How can one criticise a Government that has reduced unemployment? I give credit to previous Governments which have contributed to economic and social progress. Senator Mooney was correct when he said that the greatest tremor in the country was the shock the Labour Party felt when they lost seats in the last general election. If my party had suffered so badly I would hurry to the Taoiseach and other leading members of the party to impress on them that we must be doing something wrong. My party, to the amazement of the pundits, was returned to Government. The Labour Party did not merely lose a few seats — I have lost a seat myself — they were almost wiped out. I admire Senator Costello and his two colleagues. I cannot understand why he used scaremongering language about unrest in the country, chickens coming home to roost and imminent disasters.

Education was hardly mentioned. A few months ago the Minister for Education and Science announced the investment of an additional £250 million in education. It must be emphasised that this money was in addition to the Government's normal spending on education.

I totally reject what Senator O'Meara says about poverty. I wish she would take me to see the poverty she speaks of.

I will take the Senator.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Arrangements for other activities can be made later.

I do not think Senator O'Meara could take me to see poverty, as we know it, in Roscrea or Nenagh. I think of poverty as starvation and homelessness. We have a caring society and I hope it will continue to be.

That is what we like to think.

I reject the unfounded criticisms of the Government and I support the amendment to the motion.

I thank Senators on both sides who contributed to the debate and the Minister for his presence and contribution.

I did not think Senator Fitzgerald was so innocent as to think there was no such thing as a fat cat. We know of the Ansbacher account holders, of purveyors of money in brown paper bags and of many Irish people who are very wealthy. The Minister for Finance ensured by his budget that these people would continue to be fat cats and would get even fatter.

These people work 120 hours per week and take the necessary risks to ensure economic progress.

They would be the £100 per plate people. We can give Senator Costello the names later.

The Taoiseach would not be very happy with a mere £100 a plate when he holds fundraising dinners in Kilmainham.

Senator Fitzgerald referred to the investment of £250 million in education. How can the Minister, on the one hand, invest this money in education and, on the other, cut teacher numbers in schools in the "Breaking the Cycle" programme? This programme involved 25 schools in urban and 25 in rural areas. A special pupil/teacher ratio of 15:1 was applied to these schools because Combat Poverty recommended this as the best way to deal with problems in such schools.

The Minister for Education and Science came into office too late to cut teacher numbers in these schools last year. However, this year he is taking away at least one teacher from those schools and in most of the schools in my constituency he is removing two. The Minister is undermining this project which was established for a five year period and was geared towards young people dropping out of schools in disadvantaged areas. I assure Senator Tom Fitzgerald that I will take him on a tour of my constituency after Senator O'Meara has finished giving him a tour of hers and I will show him plenty of disadvantaged and impoverished areas.

The purpose of this motion must be seen in the context of a partnership arrangement since 1987 to which both the present Government and the Opposition parties substantially contributed. It has brought prosperity to Ireland for the first time in its history. Having established that partnership arrangement, our concern is to ensure it is maintained. We wish to highlight where the Government are negligent in ensuring the maintenance of the trust and credibility in that partnership among all the social partners. The motion is specifically concerned with the trade union movement, workers, those in dispute and those who feel they have not been getting their fair share of the national cake, despite the fact that Partnership 2000 was a commitment to that.

When the trade union movement ensured that the agreement provided the return of £900 million in taxes to the workers, it thought this would be done at the lower end of the scale. The Minister for Finance, Deputy McCreevy, gave it back at the upper end of the scale in the last budget. He gave £400 million to £500 million and said that this is the majority of the Partnership 2000 provision. It was given to the wrong people.

This is one of the reasons for dissatisfaction among workers. Craftworkers and health workers in local authorities are due to have an official strike on Monday. However, the number of wild-cat strikes indicates the many other workers who are dissatisfied. Gardaí have picketed this House for the past few weeks. This is an indication that Partnership 2000 has not delivered. Gardaí were not there when it was agreed and the Government is not prepared to give them a say in the future. It is essential that gardaí have a place at the negotiating table in future partnership agreements if they are to be satisfied with any deal which is negotiated on their behalf. Gardaí should be given full trade union recognition and negotiating powers.

The present Government has not kept its eye on the ball in relation to existing disputes, the origin of such problems, trade union recognition and the minimum wage. The minimum wage must be introduced before we negotiate another deal. The Government has indicated that it will be included in the next partnership agreement, which is not part of the arrangement. Many areas must be addressed and I am sure we will return to this subject. There were fruitful contributions from both sides of the House. I hope the Government side has benefited from the debate and that the Minister has taken our views on board.

Amendment put.
The Seanad divided: Tá, 26; Níl, 15.

  • Bohan, Eddie.
  • Bonner, Enda.
  • Callanan, Peter.
  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • Chambers, Frank. Cox, Margaret.
  • Gibbons, Jim.
  • Glynn, Camillus.
  • Keogh, Helen.
  • Kett, Tony.
  • Kiely, Daniel.
  • Kiely, Rory.
  • Lanigan, Mick.
  • Dardis, John.
  • Farrell, Willie.
  • Finneran, Michael.
  • Fitzgerald, Liam.
  • Fitzgerald, Tom. Fitzpatrick, Dermot.
  • Leonard, Ann.
  • McGowan, Patrick.
  • Mooney, Paschal.
  • Moylan, Pat.
  • O'Donovan, Denis.
  • Ó Murchú, Labhrás.
  • Ormonde, Ann.

Níl

  • Caffrey, Ernie.
  • Coghlan, Paul.
  • Coogan, Fintan.
  • Cosgrave, Liam T.
  • Costello, Joe.
  • Doyle, Avril.
  • Doyle, Joe.
  • Gallagher, Pat.
  • Henry, Mary.
  • Jackman, Mary.
  • McDonagh, Jarlath.
  • O'Dowd, Fergus.
  • O'Meara, Kathleen.
  • O'Toole, Joe.
  • Ridge, Thére se.
Tellers: Tá, Senators T. Fitzgerald and Keogh; Níl, Senators Costello and Gallagher.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

When it is proposed to sit again?

At 10.30 a.m. tomorrow.

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