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Select Committee on Enterprise, Trade and Employment díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 29 Nov 2023

Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment (Supplementary)

I thank members and witnesses for being present to participate in today's meeting. Apologies have been received from Deputy Matt Shanahan. Anybody who is participating remotely will need to do so, as they well know, from within the Leinster House complex.

We are here to consider the Supplementary Estimate for Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment. I welcome the Minister, Deputy Coveney, who is accompanied by his officials.

Before we start, as is always the case, I would like to explain some limitations to parliamentary privilege and the practice of the Houses with regard to references witnesses may make to another person in their evidence. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of presentations they make to the committee. This means that they have an absolute defence any defamation action for anything they may say at the meeting. However, witnesses are expected not to abuse the privilege, and it is my duty as Chair to ensure this privilege is not abused. Therefore, if their statements are potentially defamatory with regard to an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks by the Chair, and it is important they comply with any such direction.

I now invite the Minister to make his opening remarks on the Supplementary Estimate. As normal, documentation for the meeting, including the Minister's opening statement, has been circulated to members on Microsoft Teams.

I thank the Chair. I am pleased to have an opportunity to present my Department’s Supplementary Estimate. I understand that the committee secretariat has been provided with a briefing on the details of the Supplementary Estimate by my officials, which I hope has been of assistance. With the Chair's permission, I would like to outline to the committee the elements of the Supplementary Estimate that I am proposing.

The Supplementary Estimate is not designed to seek any additional Exchequer funding over and above the €1.621 billion gross provision allocated in the Revised Estimates for 2023 and approved by the Dáil. Rather, it is of a technical nature. It seeks to redistribute just over €43 million in savings to fund a number of capital and current expenditure priorities across the various programmes in the Department’s Vote this year.

With regard to jobs and enterprise development, it is proposed to provide increased funding of €32.73 million in the following areas. Additional current funding of €4 million is being provided to IDA Ireland to support marketing and advertising activity in key markets in 2023. Promotional activity, advertising and marketing are crucial tools for IDA Ireland to compete in an increasingly competitive environment for foreign direct investment, FDI.

Earlier this year, IDA Ireland participated in a seminal inaugural Bloomberg New Economy Gateway Europe event in partnership with Bloomberg. The event was very successful and impactful for the agency, with significant media and social media coverage. The event provided prominent branding and content opportunities, allowing IDA Ireland to showcase Ireland as a modern, open economy to a curated audience of global decision makers in the context of ever-increasing competition for globally mobile FDI. IDA Ireland’s efforts, including through its promotion and advertising activities, continue to deliver significant results. In this regard, as of mid-year, IDA Ireland had secured 139 investments which have the potential to create more than 12,000 jobs. Almost half, 68 of the 139 investments, were secured for locations outside Dublin. Some 52 were new investments in the first half of the year from companies investing in Ireland for the first time.

Additional net funding of €2.33 million is being provided to the local enterprise offices to ensure that they can meet the increasing demand for their services. The committee will be aware that the mandate of the local enterprise offices, LEOs, has expanded to cover businesses who have grown to more than ten employees. In fact, LEOs can now support companies that have up to 50 employees as long as they are exporting. The additional funding will be allocated to financial supports such as trading online vouchers, energy efficiency grants, and Green for Business grants as well as training, mentoring and management development programmes such as the Start Your Own Business programme, which guides clients through the various aspects of business and business planning. By the way, anticipating significant demand for funding next year we did agree in the budget just past an extra €9 million for the local enterprise offices so that is consistent with looking for an increased Estimate this year in terms of their increased levels of activity.

We are allocating €6 million to the temporary credit guarantee programme. The funding for this programme supports the cost of meeting claims in respect of defaulted loans under the various credit guarantee schemes including the original SME scheme, the Covid-19 credit guarantee scheme, CGS, and the most recent Ukraine scheme. The subhead also funds the cost of the administration of these schemes by the Strategic Banking Corporation of Ireland, SBCI. The additional funding is required as the claims against the guarantee incurred in 2023 to date and due by year-end are at a significantly higher level than claims incurred in 2022. By way of comparison, some €7.23 million has already been expended on the schemes up to the start of November as compared with a total expenditure of €4.69 million in 2022.

The importance of the CGSs in allowing indigenous businesses, particularly SMEs, to access finance is demonstrated by the experience of the Covid-19 scheme. Total lending under that scheme was more than €700 million. It is not a small amount of money that is going out to SMEs across the economy. Under that scheme, which was available from September 2020 until June 2022, the participating nine bank and non-bank lenders and 19 credit unions provided a total of 9,857 loans for a value of €708.8 million which supported companies and represents more than 81,000 jobs.

The INTERREG programme, which is one of 60 cross-border programmes operating across the EU, supports cross-border initiatives in a number of areas including strengthening and enhancing cross-border collaboration in research and innovation. My Department, together with our counterparts in Northern Ireland, the Department for the Economy, is responsible for funding projects under the research and innovation strand of the current INTERREG programme. Our commitment to the research and innovation, R and I, strand is €21 million over the duration of the programme of which some 85% will eventually be reimbursed by the EU. Expenditure under the programme can vary from year to year depending on the development stages of funded projects, which can make it difficult to accurately provide for the programme in the annual Estimates process. The additional €1.4 million being sought in the Supplementary Estimate arises as a result of an increased funding requirement for this year.

In the area of legal costs, €1.5 million is being provided in the Supplementary Estimate to meet the costs of a legal challenge taken on the constitutionality of certain provisions of the EU-Canada Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, CETA. In late 2022, the Supreme Court ruled, by a majority, that the Constitution of Ireland precluded the Government and Dáil Éireann from ratifying CETA as Irish law currently stands. The Supreme Court did, however, rule that CETA could be ratified by the Oireachtas if certain changes were made to domestic legislation. My Department is engaging with the Office of the Attorney General to determine the next steps so that ratification of CETA can proceed as quickly as possible. The €1.5 million being allocated in the Supplementary Estimate reflects the outcome of the negotiations on costs managed on the Department’s behalf by the State Claims Agency with the representatives of the legal team of the opposing party.

Funding of €12 million is being provided to support loan schemes administered on behalf of the Department by the SBCI and, in particular, the growth and stability loan scheme. The committee will recall that funding of €55 million was provided under the 2022 Supplementary Estimate to meet part of the Department's contribution to the scheme. The €12 million now being provided will meet the outstanding commitment to the scheme. The growth and stability loan scheme is particularly important given the dearth of mainstream long-term finance facilities particularly for SMEs. Loans of between €25,000 and €3 million, with terms of up to ten years and attractive terms and conditions, are available under the scheme to eligible SMEs through participating finance providers, with loans of up to €500,000 available unsecured. The growth and stability loan scheme, GSLS, was launched to the market in September 2023 and already has a number of participating lenders. Further on, lenders and financial institutions are expected to offer loans under the scheme in the coming weeks and we need to make provision for that.

The committee will be aware of recent serious flooding events across various areas of the country and the damage they caused to homes and businesses. My Department has been at the forefront in assisting businesses impacted by these events through the humanitarian relief schemes which we put in place in the immediate aftermath of each event. Because of the severity of these events and the extent of the damage caused, in addition to the financial supports under the standard scheme we also introduced an enhanced scheme for those businesses most severely impacted. The standard scheme provides for an immediate payment of up to €5,000 to eligible businesses with possible further support capped to an overall payment of up to €20,000 on the back of an assessment. Under the enhanced scheme, an initial payment on application of up to €10,000 is available and that can be further added to on the back of an assessment. Businesses can get supports of up to €100,000 in the enhanced scheme. The further payments under the standard scheme and the enhanced scheme are subject to a detailed assessment of the loss incurred. The Irish Red Cross is delivering both the standard and enhanced schemes on our behalf.

Given the emergency nature of the schemes and the importance of assisting impacted businesses in as timely a fashion as possible, the application process only requires the completion of one single application form. The Irish Red Cross is currently processing applications under both schemes and as of Friday, 17 November 2023, which is some time ago now, it had 44 applicants at that stage. That figure is now just under 200 applicants and the Irish Red Cross has already paid out, from memory, just over €1 million. The scheme is very much delivering to businesses on the ground and I want to put on the record my thanks to the Irish Red Cross. It has done a really good job here.

In a relatively short number of weeks, it got a lot of money out and supported many businesses that need it in the build-up to Christmas. I thank the Red Cross. I am happy with the relationship between the Red Cross and my Department in the context of the pressures and timelines around this scheme. Some €5.5 million has been allocated in the Supplementary Estimate to meet the costs of claims under the standard and enhanced humanitarian relief scheme. There is still some time for businesses that have been impacted to apply, should they need to.

On the innovation programme, the Supplementary Estimate is providing an additional €8 million to support our membership of the European Space Agency, which is a core element of the national space strategy. The additional €8 million will ensure that Irish companies can secure new European Space Agency contracts to a commensurate level. The funding will also help to meet the contract targets in the national space strategy, as well as assist the funding of immediately identifiable activities that Irish-based companies could not compete for otherwise. In other words, we are putting money in, but we are also getting a lot of money out of ESA.

The number of Irish-based companies engaged with the European Space Agency has grown from 70 in 2019 to 97 in 2022 and is expected to exceed 100 this year. This represents an increase of 39% in less than three years since the publication of the national space strategy, which takes quite a lot of people by surprise. I do not think people see Ireland as an economy that is very much linked to the space sector, but actually increasingly we are, predominantly through technology and digital platforms.

Aside from increasing the number of contracts, the purpose of our investment in ESA programmes is to nurture and build a base of technologically sophisticated enterprises that develop and trial technology solutions via space applications, and then go on to develop new markets in a wide range of application areas based on the expertise they have built up. A concrete example of this is EIRSAT-1, which is effectively Ireland’s first satellite. That will be launched within days, potentially. It is an exciting project predominantly led by UCD. This is a ground-breaking moment for Irish industry and academia and the culmination of many years of work by a dedicated team of students and researchers. It has only been made possible by Ireland’s membership of ESA and represents a great leap forward in our national ambitions in the space sector.

The Supplementary Estimate increases funding to the Health and Safety Authority by €1.55 million. The additional funding is mainly required to meet the extraordinary costs incurred by the authority in the statutory investigation into a particularly tragic workplace safety incident in Creeslough, Donegal, and its aftermath. The Health and Safety Authority obviously needed a lot of resources to do it properly. The investigation, which began in late 2022 concluded in June of this year, was very detailed and complex, involving the forensic demolition of the scene of the incident in order to effect the retrieval, securing and storage of evidence, which required specialist expertise and equipment.

The HSA is continuing to deliver its 2023 programme of work through a combination of promotion, information and education, as well as intervention, inspection and enforcement. Inspection activities target specific risks and hazards within the construction, agriculture, transportation and storage, chemical and health and social care sectors. Regarding activities, the figures available for the first two quarters of the year show that the number of proactive inspections across all sectors of the economy was over 5,500, with more than 200 reactive inspections carried out. This is in addition to more than 600 market surveillance assessments. The authority has also continued to increase its staff resources and currently has 250 whole-time equivalent staff in situ, up from 190 in December 2020, with a further 17 additional staff expected to start before the end of the year.

The Supplementary Estimate provides the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission, CCPC, with an additional €700,000 in current funding to assist it in meeting the demands of its increased mandate. In this regard, the introduction of the Consumer Rights Act extended the CCPC’s powers to investigate anti-consumer behaviour. In addition, the commission is due to assume responsibility for the functions of the European Consumer Centre. The preparations for these expansions in the CCPC’s mandate have resulted in additional previously unforeseen costs. The €700,000 in funding proposed in the Supplementary Estimate is required to allow the commission to meet these costs. The CCPC's remit continues to expand. It will also be quite involved in the Digital Services Act. That legislation will be coming through the House in the next few weeks. I appeal to Opposition parties to help us move that legislation through the Houses quickly because we must have it in place and in law by 17 February under EU regulations on digital services. The CCPC, along with Coimisiún na Meán, will have significantly increased roles and powers in respect of enforcing the rules of a digital-based marketplace.

The final additional allocation proposed under the Supplementary Estimate increases the legal costs provision for regulation programmes by €425,000. The requirement for this additional funding relates to the costs of a constitutional challenge regarding the adjudicative process established under the Workplace Relations Act 2015. The case was subject to hearings in both the High Court and Supreme Court and essentially revolved around the administration of justice applied in cases held before the Workplace Relations Commission. The Supreme Court, in its judgement, confirmed the constitutionality of the WRC. It did, however, highlight certain procedural practices, including the importance of public hearings; taking evidence on oath and the possibility of prosecution for false evidence; cross-examination; and the independence of decision-makers. The court accepted that the case raised issues of public interest and awarded the plaintiff his full legal costs in respect of the Supreme Court action and 75% of his costs in respect of the High Court action. Following negotiations conducted on the Department’s behalf by the State Claims Agency with the legal representatives of the opposing party, legal costs totalling €996,000 were agreed. The additional €425,000 being sought in the Supplementary Estimate is required to meet some of those costs and the remaining €571,000 is being met from savings within subhead C15.

As advised, this Supplementary Estimate is technical in its nature as it involves the redistribution of just over €43 million in savings from within my Department’s 2023 voted gross allocation of €1.621 billion. It represents a reallocation, I think, of 1.67% of the total budget.

Some €35.84 million of the Estimates package provides increased funding to particular capital programmes. The cost of these increases will be funded from savings on Enterprise Ireland’s capital allocation under subhead A7. The nature of a number of Enterprise Ireland’s enterprise development capital supports-schemes can involve a time lag between the approval of applications and the projects underlying such applications being completed and submitted for payments.

It can be also the case that clients themselves, for their own reasons relating to matters such as cash flow and so on, may delay submitting their claims for payment. These delays have resulted in payments under some EI schemes not being drawn down as had been expected, thus giving rise to savings in the subhead.

It is important to say that Enterprise Ireland also generates own resource income from capital investment programmes such as its seed and venture capital programme. It is required to spend its own money before drawing down capital from the Department. Surfeit income generated through such investments can reduce EI’s requirements for Exchequer funding, which can also result in savings on its voted capital funding allocation, which has happened in this case.

The remaining €7.565 million of the Estimate package provides increased funding to particular current programmes. The cost of these increases will be funded from savings across a number of subheads on our Vote. Some €4.94 million of these savings will come from my Department’s administration pay budget and the allocation to the Corporate Enforcement Authority. This is in the main due to difficulties being experienced in recruiting staff in a tight labour market. Some €700,000 will come from savings in the Companies Registration Office, primarily as a result of delays in completing a number of IT projects there. The remaining €1.925 million will come from savings on the temporary business energy support scheme, which is subhead A18. The savings under the TBESS arise for a number of reasons, including the fact that wholesale energy prices reduced significantly in the months following the announcement of the scheme and a whole range of other factors which I know we have discussed in this committee in the past. In the end, TBESS spent just over €145 million. Obviously, much more was potentially allocated for that. In essence, my Department was a vehicle to allow Revenue to take applications and to make payments for TBESS. I think that, in the end, 50,000 and 60,000 applications were funded.

I hope that provides the committee with some useful detail about the Supplementary Estimate. I apologise for having gone into so much detail and having taken so much time. I wanted to go through the rationale for the decisions, where the money is coming from, and where the money is going to. It is a less than 2% reallocation in the Department but I think it is important to give members a good explanation about where it is going. I am happy to take any questions that people might have.

I thank the Minister. It was an important discussion. I invite members to contribute.

I thank the Chairperson and wish a good morning to the Minister and his officials. Thank you all for being here this morning. As this is very technical, I do not have half a million questions, but I have a few. Could we get a detailed breakdown and itemised expenditure report showing exactly where the savings are? The Minister has given us an overview. The report could show the specific details of where the underspend and savings have occurred. It would be useful to have it, if you could provide that to the committee. I appreciate you might not have it, but if you could circulate that, it would be helpful.

Sorry if I jump around but I will turn to where the Minister referred to the €4.94 million in savings coming from the Department's administration pay budget and the allocation to the Corporate Enforcement Authority, with difficulties experienced with recruitment in a tight labour market. Are these jobs that are currently vacant but not filled, for which there is money which will be reallocated? Does that mean the suppression of the post or will those jobs be advertised in the new year?

My understanding is those jobs are being advertised but have not been filled. They will be filled as soon as we can get the skills to do them. There will probably be vacancies that we would like to have filled by the end of the year that probably will not be filled by the end of the year.

That is what that is.

It is not reducing the size of the agency or anything.

Are these technical jobs, professional services or standard administration jobs? What kind of jobs are they? Is there no single profile for them? I am trying to understand if the difficulty in recruiting is for a specific expertise that is sought or if it is more general.

I visited the CEA recently. It has a number of roles that are essentially specialist relating to corporate enforcement, including specialist legal people in company law and things like that. Some of the areas that have not been filled are specialist areas which are looking to get good people, predominantly from the private sector, in reality. They have many good people as well. This is a relatively new agency that is finding its feet.

I understand that.

There is a Garda unit there too. It is a really important agency but it is still filling positions and there will be some savings because I understand it will not have filled as many as it would have liked to by the end of the year.

Those posts are not being suppressed, which is probably the key point there. I did not think they were.

The savings in the Department from unfilled roles predominantly relate to administrative people in the Department. We have some positions in the Department that still need to be filled. I understand it is specialist jobs in the CEA.

People are obviously coming to the Department through the public appointments system. Is a panel in place to be drawn from? Are you waiting for a panel to be formed?

I will give numbers to back that up. To date in 2023, the CEA has recruited 24 civilian staff members and has eight vacancies which it hopes to fill in early 2024. That is effectively where the savings are coming from.

Is the Garda unit fully staffed?

I think it is. I can check that for the Deputy.

If he could, I would be interested.

I am told there has been an increase of about seven gardaí in that unit and two more are expected.

That is very helpful. Thank you. I know the TBESS comes out of a different Department. There was a substantial underspend on TBESS. Is there scope for that to be redistributed? I have been approached by people, as I am sure you have, who look at the figure of €1 billion, at the fact it was not spent, and at how they are struggling, and they wonder if there is scope within the Department for the money to be redirected in any way. I know it comes through a different Department but you have oversight of that.

Initially, €1 billion was provided for TBESS over effectively two budget cycles. Between the budget and the end of last year, there was €600 million, and there was another €600 million in the Estimate for this year. That was essentially an Estimate from the Department of Finance and Revenue which they were looking to facilitate through my Department's Estimate. It was made clear to us that when nothing like that amount of money was spent last year, the money was simply returned to the overall Exchequer allocation. It was not like we had a pool of money we could spend on something else. This was very much about our Department being used as a vehicle for a Revenue-run scheme. I assure the Deputy that I made the case for the reallocation of some of that money.

I can understand, to be fair, the position of the Departments of Finance and public expenditure that this was a scheme put in place to support businesses that were seeing dramatic increases in energy costs. As it happens, the demand was not what we expected, for a whole series of reasons. Many businesses had hedged with regard to their business costs.

Some businesses, particularly much smaller businesses, felt there was a long application process and they did not want to take on a professional accountant to do that. I think some businesses were perhaps a bit nervous about a long, detailed application process with Revenue. Some businesses perhaps did not have tax clearance. There was a series of reasons. The scheme announced in this budget will support businesses with the increased cost of running a business into next year due to a series of correct policy measures around minimum wage increases, extension of sick pay entitlements for leave from three to five days, planning for auto-enrolment in pension provision for the future and an increased number of bank holidays, all of which have an impact on the cost of running a business. I did a lot of town hall meetings with small businesses this year and the message we got from many was, if you are going to do something for us, please try to make it as simple as possible to apply for, particularly for very small businesses. That is why businesses will essentially automatically qualify for the €250 million we will give out in the first quarter of next year. There is no detailed application process at all.

There are 130,000 businesses and €250 million, so it is approximately €1,800 per business.

It will probably be more than 130,000 businesses in the end. We are finalising the qualification criteria. We think more than 95% of rate-paying businesses will get supports. It will probably be just over 140,000 businesses.

It is intended to defray additional costs, sick pay-----

That is what the Minister just said.

It is a recognition of the-----

And auto-enrolment.

It is not intended to cover all of the extra costs. It is a payment in recognition of the fact that many businesses are under pressure from costs, just like the contribution the State is making to households towards the cost of energy bills through the winter. It will not defray all of the costs but will make a contribution in a positive sense to cash flow for many businesses.

The costs to which the Minister refers are the rise in the minimum wage, additional sick leave and energy. The Minister just added auto-enrolment. I think that is the first I have heard that as part of it.

We are not itemising individual costs and trying to give a compensation payment for each. We are recognising that the cost of business has increased somewhat, for good reason, to ensure work pays and that conditions in workplaces are as they should be. That has a cost and implication for businesses. The Government heard that from businesses, which is why we are giving €250 million back to the vast majority of businesses as a recognition of that and to give them a hand in the first quarter of next year with a cash flow injection.

Regarding the damage caused last Thursday night in the rioting and looting, an awful lot of businesses lost what would have been one of their busiest days. I was in town on Thursday, and we know what happened then. On Friday, many businesses did not open or they went in to assess the level of damage. On Saturday, there was a huge difference in Dublin city centre. Numbers on the north side were very small. I walked from the Garden of Remembrance to the south side. It was a bit better there but trade was still down. Is there scope, under subhead A15 perhaps, to provide supports? A lot will be covered by insurance. I understand that but there will be expenses not encompassed by insurance due to an event over which people had no control and by which they were seriously damaged.

The Ministers of State, Deputies Richmond and Calleary, and I met all of the business representative bodies yesterday and Dublin City Council for about an hour. We have been in contact over the past few days with all the representative bodies, listening to their experiences, looking for a way to collectively respond to rebuilding the reputation of the city centre and to get more activity between now and Christmas and into the new year. There is an ask to maintain a Garda presence on the streets, to which the Government is responding. We will also partner with Dublin City Council on a new initiative it will lead between now and the end of the year to improve the experience in the city centre for families, teenagers, the young and not so young to come in and spend time and money in the city centre. What is needed after the awful events of last Thursday night is unity of purpose between traders, Government, the political system and local authorities to get positive momentum back into the build-up to Christmas in Dublin city centre. We will not be found wanting in financial support for those efforts and any other policy support we can provide.

Regarding the €4 million allocated to IDA Ireland for marketing and advertising, does the Minister know what markets will be specifically targeted? Last week, we had a session regarding the score for FDI with Canada. It appeared to us that there was massive scope. Equally, Japan, India and China, where relatively small numbers of companies are supported by the IDA, could be good locations for marketing and advertising campaigns. I understand the IDA takes these decisions independently, which of course it should, but has the Minister seen what specific areas will be targeted?

The money we reallocated for this year is about spend that has already happened. There was a big emphasis on the new project the IDA did with Bloomberg this year, at which I spoke, as did the Minister, Deputy Donohoe, and the Taoiseach. I think the Tánaiste was there as well. It was a great success. It put Ireland on the map with a target invite list of senior decision-makers in business around the world. It was an important project. It represented the IDA's ambition in a positive way. From my experience, the IDA will double down on the US as a place where we must continue to focus and there is now increased competition. That is in the context of next year. We gave the IDA a lot of extra money for next year to fill more posts. The IDA could have up to 50 extra people by the end of next year. It is about people and giving them a decent budget to be able to market what Ireland has to offer.

Let us not forget that the return on investment is quite extraordinary when you look at the corporate tax take and the payroll figures multinationals have. It is an extraordinary positive contribution to wealth creation and economic development on many levels. New markets are emerging. I was in South Korea with the IDA and Enterprise Ireland, both of which felt it is a strategic market in which we are only starting to explore the potential. If you look at the scale of global companies that have grown out of South Korea such as Samsung, Hyundai, Kia, LG and SK, they are enormous. Samsung alone represents about 20% of South Korea's GDP. For most of these South Korean companies, virtually all of their manufacturing activity takes place at home. They are looking to potentially diversify to other parts of the world, including Europe.

We see that as a strategic opportunity to invite some of these global giants into the EU through Ireland. There are, I think, new strategic objectives in markets like South Korea, but we will certainly be continuing to focus on the more traditional markets as well.

I thank the Minister.

Could I just ask one brief question?

The Deputy is well over time.

I understand but it will be very quick because I cannot stay, if Deputy Stanton does not mind.

I am sorry, but I am under pressure too.

That is okay. I have to go. I apologise to the Minister.

I am under pressure as well because I am meeting someone at 10.30 a.m. I welcome the Minister and his officials and thank them for all the work they are doing. This is a very positive presentation and there is some very exciting stuff in this material. We might dig into it later and learn more about it. I am interested in the work and initiatives under way in the context of the European Space Agency. I saw that we are launching our first satellite. The Minister said the launch was today, which is exciting.

Just for the record, the plan was that it would be launched today but I think it has been put off for a few days because of the weather. My understanding is that it is not happening today.

Those types of problems occur at Kennedy Space Centre as well.

It will happen in the next few days.

I thank the Minister and any of his officials who were involved, as well as the Irish Red Cross, for the supreme help given to my constituents when Midleton was devastated by recent flooding. The Minister has been around the town, as have I. The hurt, heartache and damage have been great. The speedy assistance, understanding and flexibility demonstrated by the Minister, his Department, the Irish Red Cross and the Government have been very helpful and impactful.

It is impossible to calculate the emotional hit that people get when their houses and everything they have worked for all their lives have been destroyed. This morning, Deputy James O'Connor and I spoke in the Dáil about crèches that were ruined as well. This has a knock-on impact on businesses because if people cannot get their children looked after, they cannot go to work. Two crèches were destroyed in the town and it will take a couple of months for them to get back to full operation.

I again thank the Minister and his officials for the understanding and flexibility shown. The anomalies continue. It is not possible, for example, for people to just restart a business in the same location. They have to relocate, which is now allowed. We are learning as we go along about the impact the flooding had on businesses. Some are very large businesses that expanded and grew. They may not have had more than 20 employees, but some of these businesses have lost an awful lot as well, as the Minister knows. The experience of the response has been good. As such, I thank the Minister.

I do not see any mention of an old issue if mine concerning the unified patent court and whether any funding is being diverted to that end. Yesterday, I heard someone say there would be referendums in March 2024. Is any funding being diverted by the Department to prepare for the advent of the unified patent court or is that the responsibility of another Department? I know we must have a referendum. I have been asking many questions on this matter and pushing very hard on it. I ask the Minister to respond.

My next issue is also an old one. It concerns the IDA Ireland site at Ballyadam. We are talking about IDA Ireland funding and its allocation. The site has not been used for decades now at this stage. I know the converter station is going in there but we need movement on this IDA Ireland site in Ballyadam. It is the old Amgen site. The Minister is very familiar with it. I raise this issue every time I get the chance because it is a shame the site is lying idle. There are 65 ha of completely serviced, entirely flat land with a railway at one end and a dual carriageway at the other, but IDA Ireland cannot use it. I know I am right in saying there is pressure on getting such sites.

A term being used now is that we are "beyond full employment". This is testimony to the great work being done by IDA Ireland, Enterprise Ireland, the Department and others, but there are areas in the country that we might call black spots, where there are no jobs. People might be working but they have to travel every day. Youghal in my constituency is an example of this phenomenon. The Minister is familiar with the town and there may be others. Has any analysis been done of areas in the country where there are no jobs, as such, and people must travel long distances? This impacts on the environment, traffic congestion, quality of life, etc. Working from home and remote working is helping in some instances but this is issue is impacting other towns around the country that have also been hit pretty hard. Perhaps we should focus on some of these towns. It is gratifying to see so many jobs being allocated outside of Dublin.

I am very pleased to see that the HSA is focusing on renewable energy. As the Chair knows, I have spoken on this issue a number of times. The Minister is right that the whole area of AI is expanding rapidly. There are risks when something like this expands at a very fast rate. Recently, for example, we had representatives from the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland, SEAI, before the committee. The SEAI has a list of companies that it vets and a list of installers who must be qualified in, for example, photovoltaic solar panel installation for safety reasons because these people are dealing with electricity. I understand, however, that the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine has a list of companies but not a list of individual installers. I double-checked this, and it does not have one. Farming safety is a huge issue but this means that if a farmer wants to put up a photovoltaic solar panel on a cattle shed or wherever, he or she cannot find a list of installers on the Department's website. While it says it has one, it does not. I have checked. I am saying this publicly because I hope the HSA may be listening and it will check this out. It is a major issue for animal welfare and human safety that this list not to exist.

Perhaps the HSA will explore another issue as well, in which Safe Electric also has an interest. If an electrician is taken off the list maintained by Safe Electric, for whatever reason, perhaps for having been deemed not to be qualified, there does not seem to be a corresponding check with the SEAI. There were no such checks recently, anyway, because I raised the issue with its representatives the last time they were here. The organisation has its list but there is no cross-checking. It is also not live, if I might be pardoned the pun. This is also a serious matter that causes concern.

Yesterday, at a meeting of the foreign affairs committee, we discussed Perth, the importance of embassies, consulates and so on. The Minister, as a former Minister for Foreign Affairs, will realise their importance. Next week, the members of the committee are planning to travel to Canada to engage with and support the work everyone out there is doing and to learn from that experience. Canada is a huge country. We have consulates in Vancouver - that was opened recently, which is great - and on the other side of the country, as well as an embassy. However, we have no consulates in the centre of this massive country. I suggest to the Minister that we have a footprint in Calgary, to include Enterprise Ireland or IDA Ireland. The city is an area of major growth and the third largest city in Canada. It is situated in a vast area in the centre of Canada. This is a suggestion made in the spirit of being helpful rather than critical. Perhaps we should explore it and consider improving our footprint in that location. The officials in Vancouver and on the other side of Canada are doing great work providing a service, but that idea might be worth considering. I got this feedback from Canadian businesspeople in Calgary who would be interested in having a consulate there and engaging with us on this idea. I am saying this to be helpful but the Minister and his officials are the experts in the matter, not me.

On the debt warehousing scheme with the Revenue Commissioners, some €2 billion will be coming down the tracks in May 2024. Has the Minister or his Department examined this matter? Is there concern in this regard and will it impact business? Some businesses are worried about this prospect. I ask the Minister to comment.

I will have to leave shortly because I am meeting someone, but I have one other question. On work permits, I note the number allocated has increased again this year. I congratulate the Department on the efficiency with which this is being done now. It is much improved. There has been talk of linking work permits to visas. How much income accrued from work permit applications in the past year? If the Minister does not have that information with him, I ask him to make it available to the committee later.

There were lots of questions there and I will try to answer them before the Deputy has to leave.

Starting with the European Space Agency, we have many fascinating projects under way in this area. I will record some of the companies benefiting from the ESA because I think many people do not realise that Ireland is becoming a much more significant player in the space technology area. Regarding the kinds of applications for this technology, we can look at a company, which I am very familiar with, called Treemetrics in County Cork. It received an ESA contribution of €1.2 million towards the development of its technology. Satellite imaging, data analysis and advanced forest measurement technology will be used to provide more accurate forest carbon credit estimates. Effectively, we are using imagery from space to allow us to calculate the density of a forest and make an accurate calculation as to the carbon credit estimate involved in growing that forestry cover.

That is what we are talking about with regard to space technology. This is a direct application to everyday business, just like how some of the most advanced farms in Ireland are now applying fertilisers and sprays on the back of mapping they have from satellite imagery of their own fields in terms of soil samples and so on. PixQuanta in Cork is getting an ESA contribution of €130,000 to further develop its cutting-edge light sensing technology, which offers major performance and cost-saving benefits with end markets such as augmented reality technology and autonomous driving applications. Again, that is supported by ESA. Réaltra Space Systems Engineering in Dublin is getting an ESA contribution of €1.73 million. It designed, built and delivered the space qualified video telemetry kit to Europe's premier launcher developer. It is really high-end tech development with the support of ESA. Davra in Dublin is getting an ESA contribution of €2 million to provide management tools for the ongoing compliance assessment and monitoring of mine site. It is a really innovative company. ATG Innovation in Galway is getting an ESA contribution of €200,000. There is significant money coming from the European Space Agency. There is also mBryonics in Galway, which is in receipt of a cumulative ESA contribution of €1.17 million and won three technology development activities in highly competitive ESA tenders relating to optical satellite communications technology. The list goes on. I just want to give the committee a sense of the fact that while we are putting money into ESA, our companies are also getting lots of money out through competitive tenders, where they have to prove their worth and beat off other competition from around Europe, and they are succeeding. That is exactly the kind of economic enterprise development we want to see.

I again thank the Red Cross. It has been really easy to work with it in a very difficult set of circumstances, particularly in Midleton but also in other parts of the country. I think around 190 companies have now applied. Last week the figure hit €1 million in terms of money that has gone out. Obviously there is lots more money to go out on the back of assessments and so on but that is for the initial payouts. I might be wrong but the turnaround times this time around have probably been better than we have seen in the past. I just want to thank the Red Cross team because it has not been easy on the ground. It is important that we get cash to businesses quickly so they can get back up on their feet, particularly retailers because the build-up to Christmas is the harvest time of year for them. In a market town like Midleton where there are lots of businesses that have been impacted all wanting to get back up and running quickly, getting money to them is so important. That will continue. I also thank those involved for their flexibility. Of course there have to be some qualification criteria but this is a humanitarian support at the end of the day so we have to try to be as flexible as we can within those rules.

There has been a suggestion that we were somehow giving preferential treatment to Cork companies and to Midleton. That is not the case. The exact same criteria apply to Galway, Meath, Louth and Wexford as apply to Cork. It is important to say that. Clearly there are far more companies and businesses impacted in the Cork area because the floods were more extreme there but the same two schemes were launched for all the different areas, namely, the standard scheme and the enhanced scheme. Of the 190 applications, 167 are from Cork, four are from Galway, 11 are from Louth, five are from Waterford, two are from Wicklow and one is from Wexford. Some 16 applicants have received their full payment and their claims are now complete while 32 applicants have received their initial payments and their files have been sent to an assessor who has set an appointment date with all businesses to carry out an assessment before the second payment is made. A further 17 applicants have received their first initial payment and their files will now be prepared to send to an assessor. Another five applicants received their first initial payments and their assessments are on hold until the landlord submits their claim. The total paid out between 70 applicants of the 190 is just over €1 million. Those statistics are a few days old so I suspect the figures are higher. That is just to give a sense of what the Red Cross is doing here. It is a big job of work to do and it has been really impressive this time. We will constantly try to get better, of course, but it has been great.

On the unified patent court, the Deputy has been consistent in his asking for this and he is dead right. This needs to happen but we need to make sure we have the referendum at the right time so we get it passed because sometimes the answer you get from the electorate is not to the question being asked in a referendum. It is sometimes an expression of frustration or is another statement people are making to the Government. We want to make sure we do this. The recommendation from my Department to the Government is that we hold this referendum at the same time as the European elections because this is a European issue. It is important that we have common standards in terms of patent protections for IP and so on across the European Union. It is really important for Irish companies that that happens. Otherwise we will have to do our own thing, effectively, outside of that broad European standard, which I do not think would be good on any level for our businesses and protecting their IP. We hope to have that next year. That will of course involve an Estimate for next year rather than this year but that is the plan.

We spoke about the Amgen site, as it is called. I am sure Deputy O'Connor will be familiar with that too. I remind the IDA of it all the time but it has lots of sites around the country and it has obligations to do everything it can to try to realise their potential.

On the analysis of areas where there could and perhaps should be more job creation in order that people do not have to travel long distances, the IDA has committed to delivering 19 advanced building solutions across six regions in 15 locations, working with local authorities where appropriate to advance planning permissions for additional building solutions. In other words, the IDA is proactively building advanced manufacturing plants in different parts of the country where it believes it can generate activity. That includes delivering eight buildings across four regions, namely, Monaghan, Sligo, Dundalk, Limerick, Carlow, Waterford and Athlone. Five buildings are on site in Sligo, Galway, Mullingar, Cavan and Athlone. There are two further buildings in Letterkenny and Drogheda that are in the planning system. With respect to ongoing site selection, there are four remaining properties in Tralee, Castlebar, Oranmore and Longford. There is an extensive process under way there. The IDA and the Department have mapped parts of the country where we believe we need to make investment in a footprint to encourage and give a competitive advantage to some of these towns that perhaps might not have it before now in an effort to try to get FDI into those areas. That has proven quite successful. Sometimes you end up with a shell for a time while trying to fill that building and that creates huge frustration locally and a lot of pressure on the IDA to deliver but by and large, it has been a very successful strategy.

I hear what the Deputy is saying about Youghal. I know Youghal well. It is a fantastic town, which we need to think about how we can give more support to. Youghal should not be just a nice place to live where people have to drive back towards Cork for employment.

We should be able to generate employment in the town too, which is something the Deputy has raised many times.

On work permit applications and how quickly they are being processed, across 2022 and 2023 the Department made significant progress in improving the permanent processing applications to address increased demand, reducing application waiting processes from approximately 11,000 in January 2022 to 2,500 currently. Processing times across all permanent types have been reduced from a high of 21 weeks to below 21 business days at present. In my experience it in fact often gets turned around in approximately ten days. Internal processes have been streamlined and initiatives developed to contribute to improving timeframes for the processing of applications. The year 2022 saw a 28% increase in applications compared with 2021, and the Department is projecting a full year increase in 2023 of about 7% above last year. As of the end of October, a total of 31,000 employment permit applications have been received. It was approximately 39,000 last year, and I think it will be a similar number this year. Given some of the language and commentary we have heard about inward migration to Ireland, and the hate-driven commentary we saw last week, I will reinforce the view of Government and my own personal view that inward migration has been extraordinarily positive for Ireland. Some 50% of all nurses in this country were not born in Ireland. Two out of every five doctors were not born in Ireland. Many of our best companies, both Irish and international, are successful because of the contribution of really talented and motivated people from other parts of the world who have come to make Ireland their home. We should make them welcome here, and face down the kind of bigotry, racism and anti-immigrant feeling on the back of which some are trying to build campaigns and intimidation. Ireland is one of the few countries in the world that continues to see inward migration as a positive thing for economic development. We need to keep it that way, despite some of the other challenges.

In October, the HSA carried out an inspection campaign targeting renewable energy installations, including wind farms, solar farms and anaerobic digestion facilities. This was the first inspection campaign of its kind, and was carried out due to rapid growth in the renewable energy industry. There will be continued growth in the renewable energy industry across Ireland in coming years as the climate action plan target of up to 80% renewable electricity by 2030 is being delivered on. It is a sector that can present particular hazards for workers including excavations, lifting operations, working at heights, electrical and gas safety and emergency response plans. In November, the HSA carried out a week-long inspection campaign focusing on the health and well-being of farmers in this space. Research has shown that farmers are at higher risk of certain health and wellness conditions due to the nature of their work. That kind of campaign on farms and elsewhere will continue to be a focus for the HSA, due to the roll-out of new types of energy generation capacity on farm buildings, households and industrial buildings. It needs to be, for all of the reasons outlined.

I am particularly partial to Canada. I have a lot of family connections there. It is an amazing country, and since CETA was agreed the data will show that Ireland's trading relationship with Canada has increased dramatically. I think it is only the start of what is possible. There is a long way to go, so I welcome the committee's visit to Canada next week. I hope that can be facilitated and will not be disrupted by a motion of no confidence. Others will decide that, but if the committee goes it will be time well spent. The Minister of State, Deputy Calleary, was recently in Canada on a trade mission and came back with a positive report on opportunities. We need to look at our footprint there all of the time. However, we need to get CETA ratified formally, even though it is effectively working pending its ratification. It is an important to send Canada a signal that Ireland has the capacity to ratify. I hope I will get the support of this committee in those effects. It of course needs to legally compliant with a court judgment. We are taking advice on that at the moment. Early in the new year we will hopefully be able to act on that advice. I take the point on Calgary. We will certainly put that into discussions when talking about footprint. We opened what was effectively a new embassy in Vancouver in recent years. It is a consulate, but is as busy as an embassy. There are a lot of Irish people in Canada, in particular in Toronto and Vancouver, but other parts of Canada too. It is a footprint we should probably build out more.

I thank the Minister for his presentation. I start with the business cost issue. I welcome the proposal to provide rate relief for 95% of businesses. We will be delighted to see the detail when it comes. However, as he rightly pointed out, the backdrop to this is the 12.5% increase in the minimum wage, 1.5% in auto enrolment coming up the tracks and five days' sick pay. I suppose employers look on that as a 2% increase in pay. It presents real problems to enterprises with low margins and high payrolls. As we continue to progress, the living wage will increase again, the auto enrolment will increase again and the leave days will increase again. While this is very good and a broad-based measure, does the Minister need to consider tailored measures for businesses likely to be particularly exposed? That was being considered by the Low Pay Commission, and I think they threw the ball back into the Minister's court as to how that might be done.

I also ask about progress in the take up of apprenticeships. We see huge labour shortages, we see the need for permits and I recognise those. It is disheartening to see that even though there are now 80 apprenticeships covering a range of new areas - where traditionally there were 26 - the take up by sectors is low. That cannot be avoided, and they only represent one fifth of all apprenticeships in these new areas that have been opened up. This should be triggering a response from the associations representing employers, and who should be creating funnels to perhaps bring a lot of smaller employers together who do not have the time to get involved in bureaucracy. There could easily be a sectoral initiative to take up each of these between 48 and 50 new opportunities. I think that needs to be kickstarted, not from the Department of further education, but from the Minister's Department.

I have a question about business start-ups. In the long term this will be the backbone. In the crash it was the backbone, and 100,000 jobs were created by start-up Irish businesses in the most difficult years of the crash, which we are all glad are behind us. We then put in place a strategy for start-ups. I think that deserves to be revisited, to see if we are actually creating the environment within our education system, our taxation system and within the enterprise support sectors. I know the changes made to the LEO are welcome.

We should have a hard look at the high performance start-up programme. It is supposed to generate companies that lead to a certain scale. I suspect that if we examine those, they are not performing quite as well as we would have thought. It is well known that some of those companies end up being acquired for different reasons, which are sometimes valid and sometimes not. These are issues we need to have a strategic look at afresh because they are very important.

I have last year's key performance indicators, KPIs, for the Department. What is very noticeable is that none of them is in the green preparedness area. There is one on the take-up of the online trading scheme, but it is not in the wider digital adoption area. We have an issue about how we handle data centres and whether we can make them renewable, fit them into the pressure points on our grid system and make them part of a balanced response to green challenges. That can be done, but it needs a strategy and thought from the Department

We had the departmental agencies in talking about the green challenges. Only 1% of enterprises were taking up any of the schemes available from Skillnet, SEAI, Enterprise Ireland and local enterprise offices. That is very low. Over ten years that builds up to perhaps 10% but we are still completely off where we need to be. Sustainability is the future competitiveness test for a small trading country like Ireland. To find such low take-up is worrying. The Department should be putting in key performance indicators for its agencies and thinking about how to create a collaborative, cross-sectoral drive to make that happen. I have frequently advocated for the need for sectoral compacts in the area of the circular economy, which spans many of those green elements. It has been done successfully in Holland and we should be doing it here.

If the Deputy wants answers to his questions, he will have to finish.

I worry about the loan schemes that they have a limited life. We need certainty and steadiness about the loan schemes that will be available five years hence. We need to know that it will still be a growth fund, not something that dies within 18 months and something new comes along. That does not create the sort of certainty people need for funding decisions.

Lots of questions from someone who understands pretty well how this Department works. The loan schemes have been a response to market failure at different times. We have looked at the State de-risking lending in targeted areas, whether that is linked to business supply chains that have been impacted by the war in Ukraine or whether it was rebuilding businesses post Covid and so on. Sometimes loan schemes need to be tailored for the conditions in the economy at the time. Sometimes that happens at short notice because significant disruptors make the availability of capital and finance more difficult. I acknowledge what the Deputy saying, that having a more consistent and permanent availability of finance is also necessary.

Regarding the setting of KPIs for green preparedness, it not a surprise there is a lot of discussion in Government on how we facilitate data centres rather than whether we do so. We have a Government statement, which is effectively policy on the facilitation of sustainable data centres in the future, which requires data centres to have a plan to move to renewable fuels in the future and requires data centres to have a backup should there be difficulties on the grid from an energy security point view of providing power. In my view, there will be no digital economy in Ireland without data centres in the future. They are essential to the decarbonisation of our economy regarding how we manage energy and how we manage, store and protect data.

The uncertainty and ongoing discussion around the contribution of data centres to pressure on the grid and the emissions as a result of the electricity generated that is needed for data centres is something the Government is very focused on. Many new data centres being built in Ireland are funding significant onshore wind projects as proof of sustainability. This is to be consistent with the Government data centre statement. This is a good thing and it is driving the development of renewables. If we look at where Ireland wants to be over the next few decades, we have a plan to have power generation capacity offshore of approximately 37 GW and approximately 10 GW onshore. That is, from wind alone, never mind other renewable power sources. At the moment, Ireland's grid only uses about 5 GW. The whole point of decarbonising our electricity generation and moving away from carbon-based fuels to more renewable and clean power generation capacity is to do what we need to from a climate perspective to reduce emissions and meet targets but also to make sure we have an abundant, clean source of power to enable us to build new industries and a stronger, more resilient economy. A big part of this is data centres.

The uncertainty and ongoing discussion around the contribution of data centres to pressure on the grid and the emissions as a result of the electricity generated that is needed for data centres is something the Government is very focused on. Many new data centres being built in Ireland are funding significant onshore wind projects as proof of sustainability. This is to be consistent with the Government data centre statement, which is a good thing and it is driving the development of renewables. If we look at where Ireland wants to be over the next few decadese have a plan to have power generation capacity offshore of approximately 37 GW and approximately 10 GW onshore. That is, from wind alone, never mind other renewable power sources. At the moment, Ireland's grid only uses about 5 GW. The whole point of decarbonising our electricity generation and moving away from carbon-based fuels to more renewable and clean power generation capacity is to do what we need to from a climate perspective to reduce emissions and meet targetsis It . also to make sure that we have an abundant, clean source of power to enable us to build new industries and a stronger, more resilient economy. A big part of this is data centres.

We have challenge in this transition period from where we are today to where we will be post 2028 in terms of renewables that we have to find a way of managing sustainably within the targets we are setting ourselves from a climate perspective. The idea that we simply stop building data centres to meet targets would be very counterproductive from an economic development and enterprise development perspective. The world will be driven by digital data management in the future, whether it is healthcare, education, industry or manufacturing. If we cannot manage and store data in Ireland and use data safely and appropriately, the growth potential for the Irish economy will be severely constrained.

Regarding business start-ups, the OECD is currently doing a study for us to examine what more we can do for start-up accelerator programmes. We are already doing quite a lot of work in this area. The Deputy may have seen the extraordinary growth in the innovation hubs around the country. There are approximately 300 of them now. The State has put more than €200 million into some 270 innovation hubs. This is about providing local ecosystems for start-ups, founders and entrepreneurs to enable them to develop businesses in their own communities, with high-speed broadband access while being surrounded by an innovative ecosystem. Can we do more in terms of start-ups and scaling? I believe we can. Many Irish businesses grow to a certain point and then become very attractive in terms of acquisition. Some brilliant businesses are effectively subsumed by multinationals as opposed to continuing to grow as Irish businesses. We are trying to interrupt this. Enterprise Ireland is very focused on how we scale Irish businesses and keep them supported.

We are doing quite a bit on funding as well.

The Deputy will have noticed in the budget that the Minister, Deputy McGrath, and I launched a new initiative around business angels, making it more tax efficient for business angels to invest in high-potential start-ups. We will see more coming from the Department of Finance and from this Department in that space between now and the next budget.

There is quite a lot happening in start-ups but we can constantly do more. Start-ups and scaling are slightly different challenges but they are interconnected and there is quite a lot of focus on that. We are looking at new initiatives in the start-up space to try to make Ireland a place where international start-ups would look to locate and build a global business. Ireland should be more competitive in that space than we are today and so we are looking at other projects around Europe where, perhaps, we could learn lessons. These include places like Station F in Paris, and so on. However, do not underestimate what is actually happening in Ireland. As a percentage of the population in businesses, Ireland is developing more unicorns than most other economies, certainly in Europe. We are achieving positive outcomes, but can we do better? Of course we can, and we are constantly trying to do that and look for new ways of doing it.

Regarding apprenticeships, first of all, a lot of positive things are happening. The Minister, Deputy Harris, would say he hopes to have an extra 9,000 apprentices in place by the end of this year. Perhaps my Department needs to focus more on what we can do to work with employers to create more spaces and opportunities for apprentices. It is something we will take a look at and come back to the Deputy on. There has certainly been a significant number of new apprentice areas and opportunities that the Department of higher education has been driving. I would like to think that industry is responding to that, but if there are sectors where it is not, perhaps we can work through our agencies or directly with business bodies to get better outcomes.

On business costs, some of the increased business costs we have seen in recent years are driven by issues that are completely outside the control of the Government: Covid-19, Ukraine, dramatic increases in the cost of doing business, significant disruption in supply chains, and much more expensive finance options. Then there are other areas where Ireland is effectively modernising its workplace and protecting workers and their incomes to make sure work pays, which is a big mantra for Government. One of the biggest challenges that many small businesses face today is that they cannot get people, which is why we are signing off on nearly 40,000 work permits from abroad. We have to make sure we are attracting as many people into the workplace as possible. Interestingly, the decisions that have been made in the UK in recent weeks mean that, unusually, the minimum wage in Great Britain and Northern Ireland will be significantly higher than that of the Republic of Ireland. I am not sure whether that is the first time but that certainly has not been the case in recent years. With the exchange rate as it is at the moment, the minimum wage in Northern Ireland and across GB will be more than €13 per hour.

Of course, sick pay in the UK has been well beyond what we have provided for many years, and auto-enrolment has been in place for quite some time. It is true that the cumulative impact of these changes is putting pressure on businesses but we are also trying to focus on making sure the workplace in Ireland is attracting skills and workers. There is a balance to be had but I take the point that has to be paid for by employers and, to a certain extent, employees in auto-enrolment.

My concern is that the general measures here should be succeeded by something very targeted at the pressure points, such as low-margin, high-employment businesses. That should at least be looked at.

I accept that. What we are doing this year is a very general measure. It is a bit like what we are doing for households on energy costs. Everyone is getting something. We are effectively acknowledging the concerns within business around the cost of doing business going up, and we are giving a quarter of a billion euro back to about 140,000 small businesses. That is effectively what we are doing in the first quarter of next year through local authorities and rates offices. It will effectively be a cash grant. We wanted to do that in recognition of this issue.

Regarding something more permanent, we need to look at how we can, in a more targeted way, support businesses to keep them competitive and to make sure they are not being put out of business unfairly by increased business costs. That is something we can look at through next year.

First, I thank the Department and the Minister. It would be wrong to not acknowledge the Department's rapid reaction to Storm Babet. Flooding occurred on the Wednesday in October when we had Storm Babet in Midleton and across east Cork. On the subsequent Tuesday, the supports were updated from what was previously a fraction of what is now available, which is €100,000. I am not, by any means, ignoring the fact there are businesses, and I will go into this, that are experiencing damages far in excess of €100,000. This morning, Deputy Stanton and I were in the Dáil Chamber raising the issue of a crèche in the area which more than 100 children attended, which is obviously a commercial business. It will avail of the support but the damages it has are into the hundreds of thousands of euro and it is going to take it much longer to open up, so there are specific areas where issues have occurred. Could that specific issue be looked at with regard to what additional support might be made available?

I want to highlight a couple of things around these supports that came through during 2022 from the Department, and I would like to get a response on them. I have had a very peculiar one that came up. Only one person has approached us with this issue. A landlord, or else the tenant - the business - renting a premises, is able to avail of the Irish Red Cross support scheme but owner-occupiers can make only one application. However, we have one business that estimates the damage to be in excess of €200,000. It has two separate companies, one that has the fixed assets in it like the buildings it owns, and a separate business for the company that it runs on the main street of Midleton. It made an inquiry to see if it would be able, in that situation, to put two applications forward to cover for damages. I know there are regulations around what is eligible for that support but that came up, and I know it is a question the chamber of commerce would like to have answered as well.

The consequences of the flooding mean Midleton is going to need a lot of ongoing support. Sadly, huge damage has been done to residential property and, locally, it is a huge worry that some interim solution would be found for the local community when it comes to preventing this from happening again. Otherwise, there is a cost to the taxpayer, and we are back once again at the foot of the Minister's Department asking for emergency funding that will cost significant millions, and tens of millions in fact, when the total cost to the taxpayer with regard to the damage the storm has done is added up. I implore the Minister's Department to impress upon the OPW the importance of some interim solution being found. The flood scheme will take five or six years in terms of what can be delivered. I know that is not relevant to the Minister's Department but, ultimately, the bill comes back to the Department in the form of what supports need to be provided. I pass on my thanks to the Secretary General and the staff who were here with the Minister this morning. The rapid supports in response are appreciated.

Youghal is my home town. It is where I grew up and went to school.

Deputy Stanton has been a TD since 1997 and he has also referenced it. The needs in Youghal are acute when it comes to trying to get commerce going in the town and trying to get IDA Ireland active there. Unfortunately it has backed away for years. I point the finger at the county council's policy on zoning. Sufficient land banks that are zoned for development are not available. This urgently needs to be addressed for the future of Youghal town.

When we look at how we make a location attractive, and why Littleisland, Ringaskiddy, the Carrigtohill IDA park and other locations are so successful, it comes down to connectivity. For Ringaskiddy it is the port and soon there will be the M28 road, which was approved yesterday for a further stage towards construction. For the IDA park in Carrigtohill and Littleisland, the N25 dual carriageway and the Dunkettle interchange are very attractive, along with the rail connection. Unfortunately, Youghal has a large bottleneck issue at Castlemartyr and Killeagh. From the point of view of the attractiveness of investing there it is very obvious to see why people would back away.

The Minister should have a conversation with the Minister for Transport, Deputy Ryan, about the N25 scheme. From a commercial perspective, it would bring a great deal of attention to the area. Naturally the IDA park in Carrigtohill, with Stryker and other large companies, has expanded to almost the capacity of the existing premises. There has also been a great deal of development in Littleisland. IDA Ireland needs to look east of Midleton and towards Youghal. From the perspective of the State, the Department of Transport needs to fund planned schemes. We have been waiting 11 months for the outcome of a strategic assessment report. This is what Youghal needs.

I commend the success of the Cork metropolitan area transport strategy, CMATS, 2, in which the Minister has been heavily involved. It is a phenomenal project that has been ongoing since 2018. The projects contained in it, in all strata and departments, are being advanced at a very rapid pace. It will change the landscape of our county and city. I encourage another CMATS that would look at other interdepartmental projects, working with the local authorities involved, to enhance what is being done. It has been such a success that we should not stop in 2030 when these existing plans are due to finish.

I thank Deputy O'Connor. I know Youghal pretty well. I was there a few weeks ago for the launch of the SIRO network. I was standing outside Deputy O'Connor's office from what I can remember. Youghal needs to be a target for us in terms of enterprise development and opportunity growth. It is a super place to live but we need more employment opportunities there. Many people living in Youghal drive west towards Cork to the big employer areas, such as Carrigtohill, Littleisland and other big industrial estates around Cork. There was a time when Youghal had significant employment. I will raise this matter again with IDA Ireland. There are competitiveness issues with regard to proximity to the airport in Cork and the road network. Some of the issues Deputy O'Connor has raised, with regard to a need for a bypass of Castlemartyr and Killeagh, are absolutely justified. We need to work through the issues around the national development plan to try to make it happen.

With regard to the flooding, one thing I would say is that as well as the Irish Red Cross scheme, which of course we fund, Microfinance Ireland is also there to support businesses in the aftermath of the flooding. It can make low-cost loans of up to €25,000 available to businesses to help them get them back on their feet quickly. Often cash flow is an issue in getting retail outlets restocked at short notice. They need cash quickly and they need it at competitive loan rates without long application processes. Microfinance Ireland has come under the parentage of the Department. It used to be independent of the Department and now it is very much part of it, even though it is still an independent commercial operator. This is another opportunity for businesses that I would refer to.

Individual cases have been raised with me by various people, including Deputies Stanton and O'Connor. I had a meeting with the Irish Red Cross last week or the week before to try to get clarity on some of the areas where flexibility is needed. We needed to make calls within the rules and parameters of the scheme because anomalies were coming up. My understanding is that the case referred to by Deputy O'Connor has been sent from the Irish Red Cross to the Department for assessment. We will take a look at it. I do not want to speak about an individual case, apart from the fact that we will try to be as helpful as we can.

The Government made a decision that landlords, so long as they are registered, should be considered as businesses under the scheme. This has not always been the case in the past. If, because it has been significantly damaged structurally, a landlord needs to invest in a premises to make it fit for a functioning business, there is no reason that landlord should not be supported through the scheme with regard to the costs being incurred. I hear what Deputy O'Connor is saying with regard to a business that has two elements to it, one being the ownership of the premises, which effectively makes it a landlord renting to another element of the business. We will take a look at it. I do not want to give an answer on the hoof. It is something that is in the system for consideration.

With regard to interim measures for Midleton I know, because I have spoken to Cork County Council, that it is doing extensive work on what happened and what it can do in the short term, without long processes, to try to de-risk Midleton for further floods. These are measures such as making sure the rivers flow properly and if they are silted up clearing them so that the drainage systems work as they should. It is looking at the potential for single direction valves on some of the flood relief piping. Cork County Council is looking at a range of measures. There will be a cost to this, as well as significant costs for fixing the infrastructure that has been very badly damaged, particularly roads and bridges. There will be a significant bill coming to the Government from Cork County Council in this regard. Certainly the engineers are getting advice and doing what they can. I am sure they are also speaking to the OPW about what we do in the interim while we are waiting for a comprehensive OPW flood protection scheme to go through the planning process. I hope that will start in the first quarter of next year. It is under active consideration.

A number of businesses have experienced damage way beyond the €100,000 ceiling. We have increased the humanitarian support fivefold in response to what happened in Midleton. The limit was €20,000 for the past ten years. We changed this and increase it fivefold to €100,000. The State needs to be cognisant of the fact that the insurance industry also has a responsibility. We cannot pick up the tab for everything. Getting €100,000 to businesses relatively quickly is a significant contribution to help the vast majority of businesses to get back on their feet quickly. We are being as flexible as we can be about the qualification criteria.

It has been faster than the insurance companies, which in itself is an indication of how appalling the insurance companies are.

I have heard the calls and they are not only from Midleton.

There is a business in Galway too that has had significant damage that goes way beyond €100,000. I would have to go back to Cabinet to change those thresholds. For now, we are going to stick with a scheme that I think is working well. Getting €100,000 to businesses quickly is what we are trying to do here. We need to have an ongoing conversation with the insurance industry to ensure that it is playing its part in getting money to businesses.

On the CRO, the Minister said that the IT systems were not upgraded properly, or that the work is ongoing. There is an overspend on that. Can he give us an idea of what is going on there or when he hopes that will be ready?

I am told that systems have been delayed. We look at upgrading our IT systems all the time.

It seems to be a significant amount of money for a delay. I am wondering if there is-----

Upgrading IT systems is often expensive. I suspect the tender has been delayed or it will be done next year rather than this year. I will come back to the Cathaoirleach in writing to give him detail of that.

The other issue was that EIRSAT-1 was supposed to launch today. Obviously, weather has stopped that before. Can the Minister give us an update on what we hope to get out of that? What is the project about?

This is an exciting project. It is effectively Ireland's first satellite going into space. It has been built by a whole series of contributors to the project. I understand it is being led by UCD. Certainly, it is very proud of its contribution to the project. I got a briefing about it when I was in UCD about a month ago. This is about testing a whole series of technologies and materials that have been developed by Irish researchers and sending their project into space for the first time. It will be done with SpaceX, which sends many satellites into space all the time. This is the first time that we see an Irish project actually going into space and testing for real. We have many companies that are contributing to space projects with component parts, technologies and communication systems, but this is the first satellite.

This document states that the clue to the satellite's purpose is in the title. EIRSAT-1 stands for educational Irish research satellite. No. 1 is, I hope, a sign of more to follow. While there are significant industrial and educational benefits to this project, ultimately, the greatest value of the satellite is in developing the national skills base. In addition to the opportunities afforded to UCD from the experiments being carried out by the equipment onboard, EIRSAT-1 is an educational research satellite which has provided training on all aspects of the mission to create a satellite. It has equipped students in all major aspects of satellite development. The value in training space science and engineering students cannot be underestimated, as they have developed much sought-after skills in the space industry, which is growing in Ireland, with more than 100 companies now. This is the start of building significant Irish capacity in the context of space. Fair play to UCD, which has given much leadership in the area.

I agree with the Minister's comments and thank him for the update. I propose that we agree that the consideration of the Supplementary Estimate by the committee be concluded. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I thank the Minister and his officials for assisting the committee in the consideration of the Supplementary Estimate today.

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