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Prompt Payment Rule

Dáil Éireann Debate, Thursday - 2 December 2010

Thursday, 2 December 2010

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Aengus Ó Snodaigh

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8 Deputy Aengus Ó Snodaigh asked the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Innovation the way the 15 day prompt payment rule will be extended beyond government Departments to the wider public sector, as referred to in the Government’s four year plan; the parts of the public sector to which the rule will be extended; if he will be monitoring and enforcing this rule; the mechanisms put in place where prompt payment has not been met; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [45498/10]

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Freagraí ó Béal (37 píosaí cainte)

The Government has decided to extend the 15-day prompt payment rule beyond central Departments to the wider public sector to assist cash flow within the SME sector. The Department of Enterprise, Trade and Innovation is currently working on the arrangements for extension of the 15-day prompt payment rule. This includes reporting requirements for public sector bodies and my officials will consult other Departments on the matter shortly.

The 15-day prompt payment rule was introduced to Departments on an administrative basis and the extension to the wider public sector will be implemented in a similar manner. The existing legal situation will apply, whereby public sector bodies are subject to the European Communities (Late Payment in Commercial Transactions) Regulations 2002, SI 388 of 2002. Under these regulations, it is an implied term of every commercial transaction that where a purchaser does not pay for goods or services by the relevant payment date, the supplier shall be entitled to interest, that is, late payment interest, on the amount outstanding. In the absence of any agreed payment date between the parties, that is, specified in the contract, late payment interest falls due after 30 days has elapsed, provided the invoice is not subject to query. Interest applies until such time as payment is made by the purchaser.

Any question of late payment penalty interest will only arise in the context of delayed payments beyond 30 days. Accordingly, no penalty interest will apply in cases where payments are made outside the 15-day administrative period but within the 30-day period. All Departments and public sector bodies will be required to continue providing details of late payment interest paid after 30 days in their respective annual reports. Departments currently report on the processing of payments on a quarterly basis and I expect these arrangements will also be extended to public sector bodies. It is my intention that the 15-day prompt payment rule will be extended to as many public bodies as possible.

What is the Minister of State's estimate of the cash flow gain to private companies and businesses on foot of this decision?

The Deputy should table a full parliamentary question.

With respect, the Minister of State has just stated that he received quarterly reports.

I can provide the Deputy with some detailed figures if he wishes.

The Minister of State is taking a lead from his senior Minister.

A total of 54,099 payments were made within 30 days by the Departments in the period, amounting to €947 million. A total of 46,949 payments amounting to €920 million were paid within 15 days——

No, I refer to the extension beyond the Departments.

I will get to that as well.

The Minister of State is getting there.

I will give the Deputy all the information. I like to be as helpful as possible.

The Minister of State is taking the scenic route.

Deputies, through the Chair.

These payments represent 86.8% of the total number of payments made by Departments. In value terms, 97.2% were paid within 15 days, compared with 97.1% in the second quarter. A further 7,150 payments, or 13.2%, were made between 16 and 30 days. I would be obliged to get out my calculator to work out the actual cash flow in monetary terms——

The Minister of State is learning how not to answer questions from his senior Minister.

I am providing the details to the Deputy in percentage terms and given his experience as an economist, I am sure he will be able to work out the arithmetic involved.

The Minister of State has not mentioned the group to which he is extending these provisions.

What comes to mind is Bertie and playing handball against a haystack.

Deputies, through the Chair.

As this is important, I did state it was my intention that the 15-day prompt payment rule would be extended to as many public bodies as possible.

That was what the entire question was about.

Again, the memorandum of understanding contains a list of those bodies to which it will be extended. The Deputies are lucky that I spent until 2 a.m. last night reading it

The Ministers obviously did not consult the memorandum of understanding before coming in.

Another casualty of weather.

Exactly. The weather suited as well.

To be helpful to the Deputy, there is no point in rehearsing what is already on the public record.

No, in the memorandum of understanding. Will this be extended to the HSE and other bodies, including local authorities and everyone else? Was this not critical to the recent collapse of companies? Is it the case that companies collapsed while money was owed by public authorities?

Leaving joking aside, the Minister, Deputy Batt O'Keeffe, spoke earlier about start-ups. Some such enterprises deal with State companies, local authorities, the HSE and so on and it is of critical importance that money be paid quickly. Will the 15-day prompt payment rule have statutory backing? Will it be extended in statutory form or will it simply be a directive or an encouragement process?

It has been implemented through the Department on an administrative basis. This will continue unless there is clear resistance to it, although I am quite sure that will not be the case.

In the broader context, delays in payment are not necessarily the fault of the Department. They often relate to a query in respect of an invoice. Other issues may also arise. We must be conscious that we are dealing with public moneys and every issue must be addressed before payment is made. The intention is to move with this as quickly as possible. This decision was made a long time ago and has been discussed in the House previously. It was not decided by anybody other than the people on this side of the House.

When is it proposed to extend the 15 day payment to other public bodies? Many companies have gone into liquidation because they were not paid on time by public bodies.

Departments do make payments. It is not right for the Deputy to suggest that companies go into liquidation because Departments are withholding payments for goods and services provided.

I referred to other public bodies. The Minister of State has misinterpreted what I said.

All public bodies are obliged to pay their suppliers in the timeframe laid down under the EU directive. Interest in respect of late payment can be charged. It is critical that people who are invoicing Departments or agencies provide all the necessary documentation in the first instance. Most of the queries arise in the context of a lack of supporting documentation.

When is it coming in?

We envisage moving on this quite quickly.

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