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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Thursday, 21 Apr 1994

Vol. 441 No. 7

Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - Taxpayer Statistics.

Pat Rabbitte

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12 Mr. Rabbitte asked the Minister for Finance the number of PAYE taxpayers and self-employed with incomes in excess of £25,000 for the latest year for which figures are available; if his attention has been drawn to the speech made by an Assistant Secretary of the Revenue Commissioners to the Foundation for Fiscal Studies on 5 November 1993 in which he stated that certain persons earning up to £150,000 per year can use a range of reliefs and incentives to avoid paying any tax whatsoever; his views on whether this is equitable; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

It is estimated that some 44,000 self-employed taxpayers, including proprietary directors, will have gross incomes in excess of £25,000 in the 1993-1994 income tax year, representing over 20 per cent of the total of such taxpayers. The estimated number of PAYE taxpayers, excluding proprietary directors, at the same income levels is 107,000, or 11 per cent of the total of such PAYE taxpayers.

The example quoted by the Deputy about persons earning up to £150,000 per year was described in the paper presented at the Foundation for Fiscal Studies as an exceptional situation involving a taxpayer disposing of all of his-her income in tax-relievable investments. In the Revenue's experience there are, very few cases in this income range where the interaction of tax reliefs and incentives lead to the payment of relatively low taxes.

The thrust of tax reform policy in recent years has been to broaden the tax base by the curtailment of allowances and reliefs so as to make possible improvements in mainstream income tax. This policy has been remarkably successful. The rates of tax now range from 27 per cent to 48 per cent by comparision with 35 per cent to 58 per cent in 1987; the standard band has been widened by 74 per cent over this period and there have been significant improvements for those on lower incomes. However, a number of tightly focused reliefs remain in the tax system. The conditions which attach to these ensure that the beneficiaries must fulfil rigorous conditions in order to avail of the reliefs. Individuals are fully entitled to avail of reliefs to the extent that they fulfil the necessary conditions.

Any large scale take up of tax reliefs or incentives for investment is constrained by the fact that, despite the tax savings, such investments do not guarantee the security of the capital. Tax relief under the BES requires that the investments be held for at least five years before being disposed of. In the case of some of the reliefs for the designated areas, the investments must be held for either ten or 13 years to prevent a clawback of the relief.

Decisions by individuals to invest in designated areas, BES type schemes or in their own businesses within the terms of the appropriate legislation are simply helping to fulfil the economic objectives of the legislation giving rise to the incentives, many of which are directly related to employment creation or employment support.

The paper presented at the Foundation for Fiscal Studies made it clear that the Revenue Commissioners carefully monitor any abuse or manipulation of tax reliefs and incentives for the purpose of tax avoidance rather than for the bona fide purposes for which they were intended, that is, economic development, including especially job creation and support. Moreover, the paper pointed out the inroads being made by Revenue audit and compliance programmes in recent years into the black economy and tax evasion. Increased resources are now being devoted by the Revenue Commissioners to this whole area and they have considerable enforcement powers which can be used to good effect.

Is it not odd that there are only 44,000 persons in the self-employed category who earn £25,000 or more? One would have thought from the reaction to the recent changes in residential property tax that the figure was a great deal higher. Is it not unusual, having regard to the fact that this category emcompasses the entire range of professions, including lawyers and accountants, that they are so poorly paid?

I was informed that only 3 per cent would be affected by the residential propertyy tax but they made a great noise and they have a greater than 3 per cent support from all sides of this House. The figures show that including PAYE taxpayers, only 100,000 people in the tax net earn over £25,000 per annum. I must confess that the figure surprises me.

In the presentation of the Finance Bill, the Minister claimed with some accuracy that he has been shutting off shelters used to conceal income. Is it not the case that many of these shelters still exist, that the paper to which I referred was delivered at the Foundation for Fiscal Studies by the Assistant Secretary of the Revenue Commissioners and that he was not saying that the example I quoted is exceptional? If I recall correctly, he said that the Revenue Commissioners are engaged in a constant battle of wits with the high earners in the self-employed category to ensure income is not concealed. Is the Minister aware that Mr. Moriarty explained in a table how somebody earning £150,000 could contrive to pay no tax? He suggested that a person could devote £2,000 to a covenant, £100,000 to designated areas relief, £6,000 to a business expansion scheme, £20,000 to a retirement annuity, £2,000 to a personal allowance, £10,000 to interest paid on an investment in a company and £10,000 to interest paid on an investment in a holiday home leaving no tax liability.

He would owe over £4 million at that stage.

Why are the rest of us paying tax if he can contrive his affairs in that fashion? He would owe nothing like the figure mentioned by Deputy Yates.

If he is claiming relief on that amount of interest, he must have the borrowing to claim it.

He would not claim it on the interest; he would claim it on the £100,000 designated areas allowance.

The difficulty is that there are not enough people earning £150,000 and if there are I cannot find them in the system.

That is the reason the Minister cannot find them.

If such an individual exists I am not sure what he is living on, because if he invests it all, there is no immediate return. If he invests in the BES and the designated areas scheme he will have to wait for the return. Deputy Rabbitte's question relates to the issue of people playing the system. We spoke earlier about the measures being taken to pursue tax evaders. It is more difficult to tackle tax avoidance. A few weeks ago there were invitations on my desk to launch books, and there have been numerous conferences since, to explain how to interact them. In recent years we have been closing off such opportunities without waiting for the next Finance Bill. We are closing off another loophole in this Bill relating to the "balloon lease", an extraordinary one which I look forward to explaining on Committee stage, but frightfully expensive and cleverly constructed during the course of the past year. Then there is the interaction of the Temple Bar designated status with designated status generally and crossing that with what was the ten year scheme of capital allowances for hotels which is now a seven year scheme. If the three are crossed one gets an extraordinary result. We are closing that off this year. It certainly taxes the minds of the officials of both the Department of Finance and the Revenue Commissioners to try to keep up with these.

At what rate does the Minister tax their minds?

Not to be negative, I suppose it is better that people are playing with their money here rather than taking it elsewhere; we have to try to keep ahead of them. We have abolished many reliefs and any that were closed off two years ago have not been opened up again. The reliefs are for the 106 or so small businesses and various business reliefs which are important. The only reliefs left are those for the horse breeding industry, the covenants for education and three or four others. Members seem to think that such reliefs do not cost anything. For every £1 million spent on tax reliefs it costs the taxpayer £480,000 which the Minister for Finance is prevented from using to bring down mainstream tax. The fewer reliefs there are the more we can put back into reducing mainstream tax by widening the tax bands, etc. Reliefs should only be allowed to remain if they have economic and job creation potential. If they do not meet those criteria they should be abolished.

The question deals with the super rich. In two newspaper reports I read recently it was stated that the Minister proposes to change the residency rules for the super rich. There is nothing in the Finance Bill about that. What did the Minister have in mind?

In the past two years there have been cases where people left Ireland and we failed to get the capital gains tax. The CAT on those going out is not a major issue because under the law the dual abode scheme which has been abolished in other countries still operates here. I propose to move in the direction that other countries have taken because at present an Irish person who leaves must stay in a hotel if he or she returns. There is no legislation governing this but on the basis of case law Irish nationals working abroad are treated in an inferior way to Irish people working at home. They therefore arrange to be paid through an Isle of Man account and this creates a ducks and drakes syndrome which is unnecessary. If we can attract Irish people or non-nationals who are not domiciled abroad, and are more understanding of CAT things would be better. The present system is antiquated and drives people out, forces Irish people working abroad to save their money outside the country, and makes it difficult for people who wish to return to do so. Most of our successful businesses operate in this grey area. That is undesirable. I hope to have proposals on this ready for Committee Stage.

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