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Select Committee on Enterprise and Economic Strategy díospóireacht -
Thursday, 18 Jan 1996

SECTION 2.

I move amendment No. 6:

In page 2, subsection (1), to delete lines 21 to 25 and substitute the following:

"(2) Section 4 shall not apply to a merger or take-over except where the combined undertakings would, on completion of the merger or take-over, represent 25 per cent or more of the relevant market in the State for the products or services affected by the said merger or take-over.".

The Minister proposes to delete the entire section and to refer the merger and take-over question to a body which he has established, the chairman of which was named some months ago. According to recent press reports, the chairman has now departed to Europe to take up a position as a judge of the Court of First Instance so presumably he cannot fulfil these functions. What will happen in relation to that?

In this amendment I am providing for the non-application of section 4 if, on the completion of a merger or takeover, the combined power of the merged entity represents less than 25 per cent of the relevant market. Because of the way in which the thresholds in the 1978 Act appear to have been applied, a large company taking over a small one seems to be exempt from the Act even though the combination of their assets and turnover might represent 50 per cent, 60 per cent or even 70 per cent of the market in that particular product. That was wrong and a larger dominant company taking over a small one should be subject to the provisions of the Act and should be approved by the Minister.

I operated this Act for a long time and there were instances where I felt cases of that kind should have been prohibited but there was not any power under the then legislation, because of the particular way it was interpreted, to do that. If some provision of this kind is not made under the law, particular sectors of industry or trade might have one large company and many smaller ones. The large company might have, say, 40 per cent of the market and 20, 30 or 40 small companies might have the other 60 per cent. The large company could kick off all of the smaller ones without ever being subject to the mergers and take-over legislation. Following a few years of that process, the large company would end up owning and controlling 100 per cent of the market which would be totally undesirable. The Minister should be in a position to prevent that happening and that was the thinking behind the amendment.

The existing section 2 proposed to restrict the application of section 4 of the 1991 Act with respect to mergers and take-overs. The Minister proposes to delete that section and I agree with him because when this matter was first discussed by the committee in 1994, he and I were of the view that it should be deleted because it was wrong. The Minister should take on board what I am saying because even though this section is being taken out, it does not cure what in practice appeared to have been unintended defects in the 1978 Act whereby a large dominant company can take over of its competitors without supervision or ministerial sanction if each one is below a certain threshold. That is unacceptable. If the body to which this matter is being referred consists of what I call IBEC types, which unfortunately might be the case to a large extent, it will see nothing wrong with a large dominant company being allowed to take over many smaller ones. We saw an instance of that last week in the newspaper industry. IBEC produced a report, which has no standing but which was given great prominence in certain newspapers as if it was an official report, and it found that a particular dominant newspaper group should be allowed take over any body it wishes. That is unacceptable. The setting up of the body proposed by the Minister — perhaps he will tell us who the chairman will be — will not be the solution to these problems if its idea of solving difficulties in this whole code is the prohibition of certain takeovers. I would like the Minister's views on that matter.

I support the views expressed by Deputy O'Malley. He gave the example of a large company with 46 per cent share of the market taking over a number of smaller companies. There is a tendency towards that practice because of the belief that companies must become bigger to be competitive, but that is not in the interests of the consumer. In the timber industry there is also a tendency to take over smaller companies. Deputy O'Malley rightly pointed out that some smaller firms may not come within the terms of the Mergers, Take-overs and Monopolies (Control) Act. There is a tendency for oil companies to expand to kill competition and one oil company is at present under review in this regard. There is great merit in the points made by Deputy O'Malley.

I agree with the thinking behind Deputy O'Malley's contribution. By removing section 2 of the Bill as drafted, section 4 will continue to apply in all merger cases. Deputy O'Malley's amendment seeks to remove smaller cases from section 4 scrutiny. By removing section 2 the full rigour of section 4 will continue to apply in all cases. There will be an opportunity for the Competition Authority to consider the possibility of a category certificate for small mergers and that will have similar effect to this amendment. The broad thrust of Deputy O'Malley's point is well made and I will certainly refer it to the review group.

John Cooke has indicated he cannot serve as chairman and I will appoint a new chairman as soon as possible. There will be balanced membership of the review group. It will not be dominated by large business.

Has it been set up yet?

From where will the chairman come?

The Minister should be allowed to conclude.

The Deputy's amendment is to a section which I propose to delete and I think he supports my proposal. I agree with his substantive points and I will pass them to the review group who will deal properly with the interaction of merger and competition legislation and the adequacy of merger legislation.

Does Deputy O'Malley accept the Minister's explanation?

If that makes the chairman happy.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

We now come to the proposal to delete section 2. The proposal to delete section 8 and amendment No. 16 are related. It is proposed, therefore, that the proposal to delete section 2, the proposal to delete section 8 and amendment No. 16 be taken together by agreement.

I move:

That section 2 be deleted.

This proposal will remove from the Bill the section which provides that mergers will not come under scrutiny under section 4 of the Competition Act. There was widespread concern that if some mergers were exempted, large companies could absorb small companies without scrutiny. There was general agreement that that would not be satisfactory and I am, therefore, deleting that section. These complex issues will be dealt with by the review committee so that there will be a proper approach to mergers.

Question put and agreed to.
NEW SECTIONS.

I move amendment No. 7:

In page 3, before section 3, to insert the following new section:

"3.—Section 4 of the Principal Act is hereby amended by the insertion of the following subsection:

‘(9) The prohibition in subsection (1) shall not apply to agreements between employer and employees nor shall it apply to restrictions in those agreements on the post-employment activities of the employees.'.".

It appears we are not allowed to comment in public on submissions made to us by bodies.

That was not my ruling; my ruling was that Members should not refer to the document, but I have no problem with the Deputy using the content of the document in her own name.

The group representing business interests published a document in which it stated there is no need for employment agreements to be subject to the Competition Act. I too believe that would be an unwanted intrusion. The Minister may say they are not covered anyway but the purpose of my amendment is to make the position clear. It is a very modest amendment which proposes that the prohibition under this subsection does not apply to agreements between employers and employees, either current or post-employment, and I hope the Minister takes it on board.

Employees are not undertakings within the meaning of the 1991 Act and employment agreements would not come within the scope of section 4(1). However, if an employee who sets up business subsequently has made an agreement with his previous employer which includes a non-compete clause, that would be notifiable. In certain cases, that could be restrictive of competition and to grant a block exemption in such cases would be inappropriate. The Authority has been fair and reasonable in dealing with these issues and has established a reasonable practice on such matters. I am satisfied that the present system is satisfactory. There is the possibility of category certificates which would provide certainty for employees working out contracts with a non-compete clause so that when they would leave they would be certain as to what would be acceptable as a non-compete clause but to give a block exemption to all non-compete clauses would not be consistent with what we are trying to do and could undermine competition.

I cannot accept the amendment but let me reassure the Deputy that contracts of employment per se between employers and employees prior to the possibility of the employee setting up in business after leaving employment not fall into a category for notification.

They would not?

However, where, for example, a non-compete clause is part of the agreement on leaving, it could be open to notification if the person were to set up in business. To give block exemption to such types of arrangement would not be consistent with competition.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I move amendment No. 8:

In page 3, before section 3, to insert the following new section:

"3.—Section 14 of the Principal Act is hereby amended by the insertion of the following subsection after subsection (11):

(12) (a) The Authority may at any time in the exercise of their function under this Act make an interim order directing any person or enterprise to suspend any action or proposed action which the Authority believes may be

(i) an abuse of the rules of competition as set out in section 4 of this Act, or

(ii) abusing a dominant position in contravention of section 5 of this Act, and

(b) the Authority may provide that such an interim order shall be for a period not exceeding four months while the Authority conducts a study of any practice or action or any proposed practice or action against which the Authority issued an interim order under paragraph (a),

(c) the Authority may at any time vary the terms of an interim order issued in accordance with paragraph (a) or as a result of any decision by the Minister in accordance with paragraph (d),

(d) the Minister, having considered an interim order issued by the Authority, may if the common good so warrants, by order direct the Authority to modify their interim order as the Minister may direct.'.".

When this Bill was previously before the Committee an amendment was tabled by the Deputy who is now Minister of State with responsibility for science and technology. At that stage it was acknowledged to be a useful amendment. This amendment deals with the area of abuse of dominant position and I think it would give extra powers to the Authority. The Minister stated that the purpose of the Bill was to give teeth to the Authority and that he was not prepared to wait for the review of the merger group before putting that in place.

The amendment is self-explanatory and would give thrust and coherence to the Bill.

I understand the Deputy's point but I regret that I cannot support the amendment. The approach we are taking to the Authority's powers in relation to suspected anti-competitive practice is as follows. The Authority will be in a position to issue formal statements of objection where it believes there is a breach of sections 4 or 5 and will be able to seek the suspension or termination of the offending practice either through negotiation with the undertaking or by seeking an injunction or declaration from the courts suspending the offending practice. In other words, the Authority will have the power of taking on effectively activities which it believes to be anti-competitive. The difficulty with the Deputy's amendment is, essentially, that it proposes the Authority would be taking on the power to make orders, a function which is reserved to the courts and the Oireachtas. The robustness of such a provision would be open to challenge on constitutional grounds in that the Authority would be taking action which should only be taken after the courts had dealt with the matter.

The thrust of what the Deputy is seeking, that is powers for the Authority to act quickly, are there by virtue of the Authority having enforcement powers to seek an injunction in the courts.

The Bill is misguided. It is seeking to move in different directions all the time. The objective of seeking proper enforcement procedures is a worthy one, even though we are of the opinion that nothing much will come of it because the Minister has not correctly identified the criminal route.

This amendment which I unashamedly lifted directly from the amendment tabled on the previous occasion, shows such attention to detail and implementation as to be worthy of inclusion in the Bill. If the Minister admires the thrust of the amendment — and he could hardly do otherwise in the present circumstances — I ask him to give expression to that admiration by accepting the amendment.

I think the Minister has made his position clear, to expect him to intervene again would only be asking him to repeat what he has said already.

Is the amendment being pressed?

May I comment on it, Chairman? What is at issue is the making of an interim order and as it is not envisaged that a permanent order would be made I think this invalidates the Minister's argument against it. The Minister is saying that an order can be made only by the courts or by the Oireachtas. It is not envisaged under this amendment that there would be a permanent order but an interim order for a limited period to prevent something undesirable happening and to allow for a breathing space to try to get the problem resolved. It is a reasonable proposal. I find it hard to see how it could be declared unconstitutional if it is purely an interim measure which, in fact, can be changed by the Minister under paragraph (d) if he disagrees with it and varied by the authority itself under paragraph (c). I cannot see how it would do any major harm if the maximum period is four months and it can be amended or abolished by the Minister, if he thinks fit. It seems to give the Authority a power it does not have, which is to intervene to stop something patently undesirable happening. That was fairly evident I would have thought in recent times in relation to the newspaper industry and I could name other sectors where undesirable things are happening also and where it would be advisable for the Authority to make an interim order to hold matters up. If something is delayed for even a brief period it allows people to think about the issue and perhaps see the consequences more clearly than if the thing goes ahead immediately and becomes a fait accompli where it cannot be disturbed except after rigorous examination and a court case that may take several years to conclude. By that stage a status quo might have been established which might be hard to dismantle.

The difficulty with it is its frailty. The alternative approach, with the Authority having its own powers to seek an injunction, will deal with this matter. The Authority will be in a position to make its objections known and to seek to work out common sense arrangements in the context of the undertaking, but if it fails in its efforts it will have the power to seek an injunction in the courts. That approach will be robust, there will not be any question of frailty. Consequently, I cannot accept the amendment.

Amendment put.
The Select Committee divided : Tá, 7 ; Níl, 12.

Tá.

Leonard, Jimmy.

Nolan, M.J.

Ó Cuiv, Éamon.

O'Keeffe, Ned.

O'Malley, Desmond J.

O'Rourke, Mary.

Power, Sean.

Níl.

Bell, Michael.

Dukes, Alan.

Boylan, Andrew.

Finucane, Michael.

Broughan, Tommy.

Fitzgerald, Brian.

Bruton, Richard

McCormack, Pádraig.

Costello, Joe.

Ring, Michael.

Crawford, Seymour.

Sheehan, P.J.

Question declared lost.

I should like to inform Members that last week I brought to the attention of the technical staff the fact that the Committee division bells do not appear to be working in what is known as the "Engineering Block". It is not my responsibility to monitor or repair the division bells.

NEW SECTION.

Amendment No. 8a has already been discussed with amendment No. 5a.

I move amendment No. 8a

In page 3, before section 3, to insert the following new section:

"3.—Expert evidence shall be admissible in a summary prosecution or in a trial on indictment for an offence under section 2 of this Act.".

I do not know if the Minister said specifically that he is not going to accept this amendment but his general attitude to my amendments was that he would not accept them on the grounds that the Attorney General did not think they were necessary. The sad fact is that they are necessary. What harm will this do? Why cannot the amendment be put into the Bill in order to make the fact clear that expert evidence is admissible in a prosecution?

The Deputy will appreciate that the amendments were taken together for the purpose of discussion. They have been debated and the Minister has replied.

Amendment put and declared lost.
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